Guest ToasterBoy Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard application included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline evolution of all the Windows versions? -- Pow-pow-pow!
Guest Tim Slattery Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? ToasterBoy <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard application >included in the operating system? AFAK, Flash is not a standard part of XP. It's certainly easy to download and install, and no doubt many pre-made systems come with it already installed. But I don't think MS bundles it. -- Tim Slattery MS MVP(DTS) Slattery_T@bls.gov http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly with the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 operating at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you enough hints to track it down: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx As for a history of Windows: http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows and more: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history Google is your friend! -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... > Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard > application > included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline > evolution of all the Windows versions? > > -- > Pow-pow-pow!
Guest David B. Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? They answer would be never, it is not included in a purchased Windows OS, it MAY be included on some OEM PC's such as HP, Dell, and so on. -- ---- Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm _________________________________________________________________________________ "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... > Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard > application > included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline > evolution of all the Windows versions? > > -- > Pow-pow-pow!
Guest David B. Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? I always seem to recall having to install it on a fresh load, even back to Win 98 and 95, am I imagining things? -- ---- Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm _________________________________________________________________________________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OUlKMkF1HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly with >the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 operating >at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you enough hints >to track it down: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx > > As for a history of Windows: > http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx > http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows > > and more: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history > > Google is your friend! > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... >> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard >> application >> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline >> evolution of all the Windows versions? >> >> -- >> Pow-pow-pow! > >
Guest ToasterBoy Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Thank you for your answer Tim. I was under the impression that Flash came with XP, but I guess I was wrong. See, I was trying to determine how many of my web users run Flash, but I guess I can't get that sort of info by their operating system alone. Do you know of a way?
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? More... This lists the optional Setup components available in Windows 98/98SE: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/188125/en-us Under Multimedia, it lists "Macromedia Shockwave Flash". I don't believe it was included in any earlier Windows. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OUlKMkF1HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly with >the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 operating >at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you enough hints >to track it down: > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx > > As for a history of Windows: > http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx > http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows > > and more: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history > > Google is your friend! > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... >> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard >> application >> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline >> evolution of all the Windows versions? >> >> -- >> Pow-pow-pow! > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Don't know what to tell you. They're there, according to the literature. I'll be doing a few fresh installs over the next few days (WinXP, ME and 98). I'll try to remember to research the issue. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "David B." <brooks.dj@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:B28C74B6-48CD-4B6F-AF50-71B8BE990D65@microsoft.com... >I always seem to recall having to install it on a fresh load, even back to >Win 98 and 95, am I imagining things? > > -- > > ---- > Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > _________________________________________________________________________________ > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:OUlKMkF1HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly >>with the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 >>operating at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you >>enough hints to track it down: >> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx >> >> As for a history of Windows: >> http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx >> http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows >> >> and more: >> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history >> >> Google is your friend! >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... >>> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard >>> application >>> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline >>> evolution of all the Windows versions? >>> >>> -- >>> Pow-pow-pow! >> >> >
Guest David B. Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Not saying your wrong at all, could be I my memory ;) -- ---- Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm _________________________________________________________________________________ "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eoOCMvF1HHA.5764@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Don't know what to tell you. They're there, according to the literature. > I'll be doing a few fresh installs over the next few days (WinXP, ME and > 98). I'll try to remember to research the issue. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "David B." <brooks.dj@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:B28C74B6-48CD-4B6F-AF50-71B8BE990D65@microsoft.com... >>I always seem to recall having to install it on a fresh load, even back to >>Win 98 and 95, am I imagining things? >> >> -- >> >> ---- >> Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm >> How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 >> How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> _________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:OUlKMkF1HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly >>>with the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 >>>operating at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you >>>enough hints to track it down: >>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx >>> >>> As for a history of Windows: >>> http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm >>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx >>> http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows >>> >>> and more: >>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history >>> >>> Google is your friend! >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://www.grystmill.com >>> >>> "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... >>>> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard >>>> application >>>> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline >>>> evolution of all the Windows versions? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Pow-pow-pow! >>> >>> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Note that Shockwave and Flash are two different technologies... When Win98 Components list "Macromedia Shockwave Flash", I'm not really sure what that means. Anyway, like I said, I'll have the chance to figure it out while I'm doing all these installs. I'll flag this thread and come back in a week or so, or less, depending on the weather. It's nice and cloudy today, so I have to work on outside projects. When it gets hot again, I'll have more time for computers. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "David B." <brooks.dj@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:D1354978-E37C-4D7F-94F6-DF66CB8B722B@microsoft.com... > Not saying your wrong at all, could be I my memory ;) > > -- > > ---- > Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm > How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 > How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > _________________________________________________________________________________ > > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eoOCMvF1HHA.5764@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Don't know what to tell you. They're there, according to the literature. >> I'll be doing a few fresh installs over the next few days (WinXP, ME and >> 98). I'll try to remember to research the issue. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "David B." <brooks.dj@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:B28C74B6-48CD-4B6F-AF50-71B8BE990D65@microsoft.com... >>>I always seem to recall having to install it on a fresh load, even back >>>to Win 98 and 95, am I imagining things? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ---- >>> Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm >>> How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 >>> How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >>> _________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:OUlKMkF1HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly >>>>with the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 >>>>operating at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you >>>>enough hints to track it down: >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx >>>> >>>> As for a history of Windows: >>>> http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx >>>> http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows >>>> >>>> and more: >>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history >>>> >>>> Google is your friend! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://www.grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... >>>>> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard >>>>> application >>>>> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline >>>>> evolution of all the Windows versions? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pow-pow-pow! >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? You're lucky! In Minnesota our nice weather is called the Fourth of July. :-( -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:ulOsb7F1HHA.5884@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Note that Shockwave and Flash are two different technologies... When Win98 | Components list "Macromedia Shockwave Flash", I'm not really sure what that | means. | | Anyway, like I said, I'll have the chance to figure it out while I'm doing | all these installs. I'll flag this thread and come back in a week or so, or | less, depending on the weather. It's nice and cloudy today, so I have to | work on outside projects. When it gets hot again, I'll have more time for | computers. | | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "David B." <brooks.dj@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:D1354978-E37C-4D7F-94F6-DF66CB8B722B@microsoft.com... | > Not saying your wrong at all, could be I my memory ;) | > | > -- | > | > ---- | > Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm | > How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | > How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | > _________________________________________________________________________________ | > | > | > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > news:eoOCMvF1HHA.5764@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | >> Don't know what to tell you. They're there, according to the literature. | >> I'll be doing a few fresh installs over the next few days (WinXP, ME and | >> 98). I'll try to remember to research the issue. | >> | >> -- | >> Gary S. Terhune | >> MS-MVP Shell/User | >> http://www.grystmill.com | >> | >> "David B." <brooks.dj@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message | >> news:B28C74B6-48CD-4B6F-AF50-71B8BE990D65@microsoft.com... | >>>I always seem to recall having to install it on a fresh load, even back | >>>to Win 98 and 95, am I imagining things? | >>> | >>> -- | >>> | >>> ---- | >>> Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm | >>> How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 | >>> How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm | >>> _________________________________________________________________________________ | >>> | >>> | >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | >>> news:OUlKMkF1HHA.5772@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | >>>>I *think* a Flash player was first included Windows 98 FE, or possibly | >>>>with the advent of IE5. Sorry, I don't have my test install of Win98 | >>>>operating at the moment, so I can't check. This article might give you | >>>>enough hints to track it down: | >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-020.mspx | >>>> | >>>> As for a history of Windows: | >>>> http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm | >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/WinHistoryIntro.mspx | >>>> http://members.fortunecity.com/pcmuseum/windows.htm | >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Windows | >>>> | >>>> and more: | >>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=MS+Windows+history | >>>> | >>>> Google is your friend! | >>>> | >>>> -- | >>>> Gary S. Terhune | >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User | >>>> http://www.grystmill.com | >>>> | >>>> "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | >>>> news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... | >>>>> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard | >>>>> application | >>>>> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline | >>>>> evolution of all the Windows versions? | >>>>> | >>>>> -- | >>>>> Pow-pow-pow! | >>>> | >>>> | >>> | >> | >> | > | |
Guest ToasterBoy Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Wow, you guys are awesome, I can't thank you enough!
Guest David B. Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Don't go by my answer, if you read the rest of the reply's I may not be correct. -- ---- Crosspost, do not multipost http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm How to ask a question http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375 How to Post http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm _________________________________________________________________________________ "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:CD6BD14B-4147-4D09-B38A-0BBD3DBED735@microsoft.com... > Wow, you guys are awesome, I can't thank you enough!
Guest Daave Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? ToasterBoy wrote: > Thank you for your answer Tim. I was under the impression that Flash > came with XP, but I guess I was wrong. See, I was trying to > determine how many of my web users run Flash, but I guess I can't get > that sort of info by their operating system alone. > > Do you know of a way? "Adobe Flash Player Version Penetration": http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 1, 2007 Posted August 1, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? Even if Windows does include some sort of Flash player, that doesn't mean it will handle your Flash files properly. You need more info, like version number. You'd do best to ask in Flash forums at Adobe.com for how to code this stuff, and even about what's included in Windows, for that matter. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "ToasterBoy" <ToasterBoy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:291B60F0-5D71-4162-841C-5F88B3420026@microsoft.com... > Thank you for your answer Tim. I was under the impression that Flash came > with XP, but I guess I was wrong. See, I was trying to determine how many > of > my web users run Flash, but I guess I can't get that sort of info by their > operating system alone. > > Do you know of a way?
Guest Vanguard Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? "ToasterBoy" wrote in message news:14B48A4C-6FE7-419B-AB96-E26DB3815352@microsoft.com... > Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard > application > included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline > evolution of all the Windows versions? Flash is not included with the install of Windows XP. Just because lots of sites require it *if* you want to see their Flash content has nothing to do with it being a requirement of the OS. It is not required by the OS. It is required by whatever content YOU choose to view. Windows history http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm
Guest Vanguard Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? "David B." wrote in message news:B28C74B6-48CD-4B6F-AF50-71B8BE990D65@microsoft.com... > I always seem to recall having to install it on a fresh load, even > back to Win 98 and 95, am I imagining things? More likely it is the Adobe Reader (used to be called Adobe Acrobat Reader) that you had to install soon after a fresh Windows install. It wasn't that Microsoft required it but instead lots of drivers, utilities, or applications that you installed immediately afterward had ..pdf docs for their manuals.
Guest Vanguard Posted August 2, 2007 Posted August 2, 2007 Re: When did Flash become standard in XP? "Vanguard" wrote in message news:uIGPCnK1HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > "ToasterBoy" wrote ... >> >> Does anyone know what Windows version did Flash become a standard >> application >> included in the operating system? Also, where can I see the timeline >> evolution of all the Windows versions? > > Flash is not included with the install of Windows XP. Just because > lots of sites require it *if* you want to see their Flash content has > nothing to do with it being a requirement of the OS. It is not > required by the OS. It is required by whatever content YOU choose to > view. > > Windows history > http://www.computerhope.com/history/windows.htm Oops, meant to say that Flash is not *required* with an install of Windows anymore than an install of Windows requires you to install the Solitaire game. I don't bother installing fluffware that I won't be using. I never bothered installing Flash simply because what came with the OS would already be an old version, so if I needed it (because some site I visit requires it) then I'd get the latest version from Macromedia's web site (now owned by Adobe).
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