Guest Jim H. Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running 98SE. So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP on it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I have to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly from XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both a new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. -- Jim H.
Guest Bob I Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE Sorry, but you have a "flush and fill" situation there. Jim H. wrote: > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running 98SE. > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP on > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I have > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly from > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both a > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. > >
Guest Gordon Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both > a > new OS and Office too. Try Open Office - it will do everything that Office 2002 will do (except Outlook) and is free. http://www.openoffice.org
Guest Anonymous Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running > 98SE. > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP > on > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I > have > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly > from > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both > a > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. > > > -- > Jim H. "Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing this downgrade but right now".... Ya' think? <g> OK, why not try this.... Fix all the system's/OS's, and substitute http://www.openoffice.org/ for office 97. How will that work for 'ya? Not only do you get/keep your OS up to speed, you get a current level office suite. It's a win/win.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE Yes, you need to delete the partition XP is on, recreate it, format it as FAT32 and clean install 98 (you start the 98 install and when asked for verification of your Upgrade eligibility, show it the Win95 installation disk, either floppy disk 1 or the CD if that's what 95 came on.) For more info, you should post to Windows 98 General Discussion group. http://news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running > 98SE. > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP > on > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I > have > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly > from > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both > a > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. > > > -- > Jim H.
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE you might consider taking your harddrive from the old pc and install it as the master in the new one and making a slave out of the winxp disk. wouldn't hurt to try.. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running > 98SE. > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy > of XP on > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so > I'd > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and > then > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I > have > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade > directly from > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright > doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase > both a > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good > advice. > > > -- > Jim H.
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted August 3, 2007 Posted August 3, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running > 98SE. > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP > on > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I > have > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly > from > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both > a > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. > > > -- > Jim H. Yes, you need to wipe the drive first. There is no other way to do this. Get a boot diskette with fdisk and format.com on it, delete and recreate the partition. Then install Win98, insterting the W95 CD when asked. You might consider, however, that you can also get a legitimate "upgrade" copy of XP Home for around US$100. Boot from that CD and wipe the drive, then when you are asked for the qualifying CD use your 98SE CD. Do *not* install Win98 first. And as suggested, you can use OpenOffice, which works very well and is free. Office 97 also works quite well on XP. Finally, if you just need Office type apps and internet - consider Linux. The Ubuntu 7.04 install is very easy to set up, the learning curve is much shallower than many Linux distributions; it's stable, reliable, runs quickly, and is free. And the install takes probably less time than XP or 98. You do need to create a DVD to install, though the image that you will download will create a bootable DVD. http://www.ubuntu.com/ HTH -pk
Guest Bob Knowlden Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE I'm pretty sure that you can't "upgrade" XP to 98. Also, in most XP installations, the HD would be formatted in NTFS, so you'd have to reformat (to FAT32) to install 98. Can you download a 98 gold to SE upgrade from Microsoft? The last I knew, it was not a free upgrade. (The lowest price that I see for the 98-98SE upgrade on Pricegrabber is about $40.) I guess that you'd want SE, as it's likelier than 98Gold to have drivers for newer hardware. Office 97 is supposed to run just fine on XP. (I've read that many times, but I haven't used anything older than Office 2000 on XP myself.) My own preference would be to get the cheapest legal form of XP and use that. (Computer shows are good places for that, but watch out for pirated copies.) You'll probably have to do a clean installation, if the illegal copy is XP Pro. (It can't be downgraded to Home.) The last XP license I bought was for a retail Home Upgrade version, for $60US. (I prefer that to the OEM version, as Microsoft permits the retail version to be moved to a new machine.) I don't know whether Vista has led to higher or lower XP prices. It would be sad if you ended up spending more on a Win98 installation than you would have on XP. Return address scrambled. Replace nkbob with bobkn. "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running > 98SE. > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP > on > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I > have > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly > from > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both > a > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. > > > -- > Jim H.
Guest Jim H. Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE What is meant by "wipe the drive"? -- Jim H. "Patrick Keenan" wrote: > "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... > > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running > > 98SE. > > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP > > on > > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd > > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then > > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > > > > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I > > have > > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly > > from > > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > > > > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing > > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both > > a > > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. > > > > > > -- > > Jim H. > > Yes, you need to wipe the drive first. There is no other way to do this. > Get a boot diskette with fdisk and format.com on it, delete and recreate the > partition. Then install Win98, insterting the W95 CD when asked. > > You might consider, however, that you can also get a legitimate "upgrade" > copy of XP Home for around US$100. Boot from that CD and wipe the drive, > then when you are asked for the qualifying CD use your 98SE CD. Do *not* > install Win98 first. > > And as suggested, you can use OpenOffice, which works very well and is free. > Office 97 also works quite well on XP. > > Finally, if you just need Office type apps and internet - consider Linux. > The Ubuntu 7.04 install is very easy to set up, the learning curve is much > shallower than many Linux distributions; it's stable, reliable, runs > quickly, and is free. And the install takes probably less time than XP > or 98. You do need to create a DVD to install, though the image that you > will download will create a bootable DVD. > > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > > HTH > -pk > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE As I suggested... To "wipe the drive" is to delete the partition, create a new one and format it FAT32. Again, you really need to repost to a Windows 98 group for specific assistance. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:934D7B1C-CD09-4718-A16D-38ECEAD2BE1A@microsoft.com... > What is meant by "wipe the drive"? > -- > Jim H. > > > "Patrick Keenan" wrote: > >> "Jim H." <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:82A6CB82-91B9-42A4-95EB-ED80B700AFB0@microsoft.com... >> > It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running >> > 98SE. >> > So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of >> > XP >> > on >> > it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so >> > I'd >> > like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and >> > then >> > reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? >> > >> > What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I >> > have >> > to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly >> > from >> > XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? >> > >> > Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright >> > doing >> > this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase >> > both >> > a >> > new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Jim H. >> >> Yes, you need to wipe the drive first. There is no other way to do >> this. >> Get a boot diskette with fdisk and format.com on it, delete and recreate >> the >> partition. Then install Win98, insterting the W95 CD when asked. >> >> You might consider, however, that you can also get a legitimate "upgrade" >> copy of XP Home for around US$100. Boot from that CD and wipe the drive, >> then when you are asked for the qualifying CD use your 98SE CD. Do >> *not* >> install Win98 first. >> >> And as suggested, you can use OpenOffice, which works very well and is >> free. >> Office 97 also works quite well on XP. >> >> Finally, if you just need Office type apps and internet - consider >> Linux. >> The Ubuntu 7.04 install is very easy to set up, the learning curve is >> much >> shallower than many Linux distributions; it's stable, reliable, runs >> quickly, and is free. And the install takes probably less time than >> XP >> or 98. You do need to create a DVD to install, though the image that >> you >> will download will create a bootable DVD. >> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >> >> HTH >> -pk >> >> >>
Guest Phisherman Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 10:10:03 -0700, Jim H. <JimH@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >It's way past time for me to get a faster computer than my P2 running 98SE. >So, I got this ASUS P4 machine from a friend but it has a bogus copy of XP on >it and I'm unwilling to do that. For my purposes, 98SE is just fine so I'd >like to retire my P2 machine and put legal copy of 98SE on the P4 and then >reload my Office 97. Can I do that? How would it go? > >What I have is a full copy of Win 95 and an upgrade CD to Win 98. Do I have >to reformat the hard drive and start all over or can I upgrade directly from >XP Pro to Win 98 and then download the SE upgrade from microsoft? > >Now I know someone out there is going to suggest I'm not too bright doing >this downgrade but right now, I just don't have the bread to purchase both a >new OS and Office too. So, hold your nose and give me some good advice. Downgrade to Windows 2000 Pro, more stable than Win98SE.
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 4, 2007 Posted August 4, 2007 Re: Downgrading from XP Pro to Win 98SE On Fri, 3 Aug 2007 22:33:43 -0400, "Bob Knowlden" <nkbob@comcast.net> wrote: > I'm pretty sure that you can't "upgrade" XP to 98. That's correct. It's a downgrade, and no downgrades are supported. > Also, in most XP > installations, the HD would be formatted in NTFS, so you'd have to reformat > (to FAT32) to install 98. > > Can you download a 98 gold to SE upgrade from Microsoft? No. > The last I knew, it > was not a free upgrade. Correct again. > (The lowest price that I see for the 98-98SE upgrade > on Pricegrabber is about $40.) I guess that you'd want SE, as it's likelier > than 98Gold to have drivers for newer hardware. > > Office 97 is supposed to run just fine on XP. (I've read that many times, > but I haven't used anything older than Office 2000 on XP myself.) Yes, not only does Office 97 work, but Office 95 does too. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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