Guest Shane Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Well, I think I've reached a conclusion - in a telling timeframe. I think the Aero theme is very well done. That glassy look, more so with the Sidebar running, is superb - the best cosmetic job Microsoft have ever done (imo)! And when I had the Sidebar running, I put gadgets on it giving top to bottom - the countdown to the release of Server 2008, the Vista Orb clock, a small BBC News 24 feed - continuous live BBC News playing on the desktop in a tiny, little box - bloody marvellous! In the same category as having music playing while you work or surf? Beneath that I had - lets see...oh yes, a weather feed, set for this town and visually responding to the diurnal cycle, a calendar - since T-ClockX which I've used almost since Win ME came out, won't install in NT6.x - and I cannot abide seeing just the time down there! And a Google search box on the bottom (had the Deskbar originally, but there are issues with Google in 2K8 beta3. For one the toolbar crashes IE7). There was another Sidebar column but the second time I installed the toy, the 'gadgets' rearranged at every boot, pushing most of the ones I wanted to show by default, off of the desktop. How much this is a beta bug, I don't know. There is one bug - apparently also in RTM Vista and waiting for SP1 to hopefully fix - where the prog that pops up to tell you the one you tried to execute has stopped responding, does this way too soon. I was quite surprised actually when it got it right! I had come to expect that the prog certainly had not stopped responding and all one had to do was wait a little longer...that was SpywareBlaster, actually. Spybot S&D installs and apparently works fine in (64-bit) Server 2008 beta3, Vista's brother - as does Javacool's MRU-Blaster. But not SpywareBlaster. I'd say it's about split down the middle which progs I've run in ME/XP for years, still work in 64-bit NT6.x. Not bad going? Anyway, clearly I am taken by the 'Vista Desktop Experience' (which is an extra available to Server 2008). Yet when one thinks of 1 GB of RAM as on the low side, something isn't right. Priorities are askew, I think. I had 256MB RAM for quite a few years and have just moved up to 1G and I really don't intend to swallow the line that it isn't enough anymore. Joan in particular might be interested in this: yes, Aero is really pretty - but it is still eye candy, and the appeal of it dies down as rapidly as all other eye candy appeal does. That's why it's called 'eye candy' isn't it - it's got no substance, long term it only really appeals to the shallow. Well, that's what I believe anyway. I don't think you are shallow, Joan, so if you liked Aero long term, I'd have to adjust my beliefs - but I don't think I'll have to. Oh, you may be comfortable with it - but that isn't enough. 'Comfortable with it' is 'faint praise' where Aero is concerned. I used the Luna theme (XP default) for about a year - then reverted to how I have it now - looking as much like 9x as it's possible to make it! That isn't because I think 'conservative' is the way to go - it's because I think the style of 9x is the most natural for comfortable, relaxed computer operation. Back in the mid-90's they weren't looking to do things differently, they were looking to do them efficiently. Hardly any time before, it had all been command line computing (and limited mouse operation - but that was building towards Windows, it was part of the process that became 9x). Then there was Windows 1/2/3.x - these were developers feeling their way. Jumping straight to 9x would be Creationism in microcosm. Dosshell and the myriad of Office apps that used the mouse, in DOS, and then pre-9x Windows, were the evolution of 9x. And then they got it right, it all (more-or-less) came together. And after all it surely isn't *that* difficult to figure out what the most ergonomic way to open a program is, with a rectangle less than a foot-and-a-half to play with? But with XP they were no longer trying to improve the user experience per se, but to vary it enough that they could sell Windows again. And now they've repeated that with Vista. But the interfaces are more and more confusing, because controls are less where you'd expect them to be now - because that's where they were, but now they've been moved! This can easily be dismissed as just my pov - but it seems inescapably logical to me - unless you suppose that either where to put things on the screen is actually quite complicated (and it's taken them approaching a decade and a half to figure out what personally I don't think should take however many dozen dozen brilliant minds work for Microsoft, to figure out) - or you might hypothesise that there is more than one (or two, or is it three?) possible maximum ergonomic arrangements for the desktop and window elements. Maybe I just feel a little more lost with each new offering, because that's what happens when you get old, and I'm getting there! Either way - as I already claimed the other day - they make all this stuff for the kids - and we know what most of the kids are into nowadays! I mean, we can be thankful it doesn't come with Crazy Frog sounds - but it will! It will! It'll get there! I wonder if New Labour banned firearms because they'd been given a preview of what was to come? I abandoned Luna several years ago, but to use Aero you have to use effectively the same Start Menu - how much is similar to XP is more striking than how much is different, I feel. Windows are another thing altogether. Of course Vista/Server 2008, in the age of DOT Net are built like big web sites. I don't like it - the new Windows Explorer, I mean. Oh, you get used to it - but it's too much of the same. Making everything web is like losing the seperation between work and home. I like working in Explorer as distinct from the internet, in 9x, or here in XP. It is like getting back home, putting on your slippers, relaxing. I don't think they understand that at the global conglomerates. Like so many people seem unable to comprehend that not everybody cares for 3D games, and sounds that belong in a video arcade. Not everyone drinks so much coffee they have the shakes and not everyone is so driven by the neurotic fear of failure that the only way they can relax is by snorting a line or two and going to a club. We live in a world that respects the workaholic as industrious and conscientious, when actually he's half-mad and frequently breathtakingly shallow. But we let him design our world (which is about as smart as putting the vain and power-obsessed in high office). I say 'he', 'him' etc. Women don't do a lot wrong. Or it pales into insignificance once the men arrive! Most guys are idiots - but most women cheer them on just the same! Anyhow it is notable that the proportion responsible for the stupidity that oppresses us all, originates in the male of the species. So if any girlies object to my use of the masculine here, the answer is, I suspect, gender reassignment. It doesn't matter if Windows Explorer looks like Internet Explorer (*Windows* Internet Explorer!) to those who are happy to work 16 hours a day - who tell themselves that work *is* play. They don't notice that all day every day it's the same thing, relentless and uniform. There is no pro to the reduction of variety - it's all con. Windows XP is sufficiently like 9x as to be an improvement by virtue of greater stability. In numerous ways the better stability of the NT kernel can be appreciated. And you can make it look sufficiently like 9x that the only real anti-XP argument is Product Activation/Validation (which makes itself felt mostly on 56k dial-up. For most broadband users it would be entirely painless if not for the requirement to click thrice where not so long ago we only had to click once. The policy wanks at Microsoft presumably think the anti-piracy message is best delivered by rubbing all of our noses in it. It must be so, for I haven't shat on the carpet in at least three years!). In Windows Classic style - particularly with Win ME Plus's More Windows theme, which enlarges the fonts - and in fact I uncheck all but the Window/font size option, to get the XP Windows Classic theme, only more readable - you have, I reckon, the pinnacle of the Windows Operating System's look, to date. For as gorgeous as the full-blown Aero theme is, what it needs in the long run is to be easy on the eye. I can't help thinking that eventually - possibly sooner rather than later - I'll reconfigure Server 2008 to Windows Classic. Then I'll really see the benefit of 1G RAM, I guess! But if, after a couple of months you disable Aero, what do you really need that much RAM for? Hey, we can drink the tap water again - as long as it's boiled! I finally tipped the 2 gallons in the bucket down the sink today (there was at least 1 dead insect in it). So, most of us eventually end up using Vista having bought machines with, say, 2G of RAM. And after a couple of months most of us turn off Aero - and the Sidebar (the BBC News feed gets annoying quickly when all of a sudden you need to concentrate!). So what do we have machines with 2G of RAM, for? Well, the semi-conductor industry's rude health for one, I s'pose! Presumably that produces as much deadly poison as it ever did? I wonder who'll be the first to have their house flooded in the vicinity of the landfill where they dump old PCBs and silicon chips? Probably anyone in the UK. I'm sure the only reason they're starting to get exercised about recycling is to make room for other nation's toxic waste! Vista is a holiday. Somewhere different to go for a few weeks. Then it's back to the familiar. His name is Casey. Shane
Guest Joan Archer Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Very interesting write up Shane, I'm still holding off any opinion until I've actually seen a Vista machine running so I can judge for myself. As you say it may be that I don't need the eye candy but who knows what I'll think of it until I actually use it. It will be some time though before this happens so I'll just keep plodding along with my XP although there is talk that Kelly's boyfriend will be buying her a laptop and that will have Vista on it but I've told her that's not allowed she can't have it before me <g> Joan Shane wrote: >snip> > > Joan in particular might be interested in this: yes, Aero is really > pretty - but it is still eye candy, and the appeal of it dies down as > rapidly as all other eye candy appeal does. That's why it's called > 'eye candy' isn't it - it's got no substance, long term it only > really appeals to the shallow. Well, that's what I believe anyway. I > don't think you are shallow, Joan, so if you liked Aero long term, > I'd have to adjust my beliefs - but I don't think I'll have to. Oh, > you may be comfortable with it - but that isn't enough. 'Comfortable > with it' is 'faint praise' where Aero is concerned.
Guest Alias Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Joan Archer wrote: > Very interesting write up Shane, I'm still holding off any opinion until > I've actually seen a Vista machine running so I can judge for myself. > > As you say it may be that I don't need the eye candy but who knows what > I'll think of it until I actually use it. It will be some time though > before this happens so I'll just keep plodding along with my XP although > there is talk that Kelly's boyfriend will be buying her a laptop and that > will have Vista on it but I've told her that's not allowed she can't have > it before me <g> > Joan > Compared to Ubuntu Beryl, Aero looks like it was done as an after thought by someone in Redmond's mail room. Here's a video to show you the difference: -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Shane Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Joan Archer wrote: > Very interesting write up Shane, I'm still holding off any opinion > until I've actually seen a Vista machine running so I can judge for > myself. > As you say it may be that I don't need the eye candy but who knows > what I'll think of it until I actually use it. It will be some time Yes, well, like I say, I have been really taken by it, whereas you have been all along. That may mean you have noodles rather than brains <vbg> or it may mean you saw something in it when I didn't, so I'll be interested in what you do think. Which reminds me - I really *must* finish those noodles! <g> And the peppers. Not sure what part of the anatomy to associate those with, though! > though before this happens so I'll just keep plodding along with my > XP although there is talk that Kelly's boyfriend will be buying her a > laptop and that will have Vista on it but I've told her that's not > allowed she can't have it before me <g> lol! That's the spirit! Shane
Guest Heirloom Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Way too much 'eye candy' for this ol' f*rt..........I got a headache watching the video. My wife's new laptop will be here soon, it has the Vista Home Premium......we shall see. The biggest benefit I see with Vista is that it will keep her off of my XP machine!!! Heirloom, old and could be doomed > Compared to Ubuntu Beryl, Aero looks like it was done as an after thought > by someone in Redmond's mail room. > > Here's a video to show you the difference: > > > > -- > Alias > > To email me, remove shoes
Guest Alias Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Heirloom wrote: > Way too much 'eye candy' for this ol' f*rt..........I got a headache > watching the video. My wife's new laptop will be here soon, it has the > Vista Home Premium......we shall see. The biggest benefit I see with Vista > is that it will keep her off of my XP machine!!! > Heirloom, old and could be doomed That video also has the MAC eye candy. It's not so busy with just Beryl. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes > > >> Compared to Ubuntu Beryl, Aero looks like it was done as an after thought >> by someone in Redmond's mail room. >> >> Here's a video to show you the difference: >> >> >> >> -- >> Alias >> >> To email me, remove shoes > >
Guest Shane Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Alias wrote: > Joan Archer wrote: >> Very interesting write up Shane, I'm still holding off any opinion >> until I've actually seen a Vista machine running so I can judge for >> myself. As you say it may be that I don't need the eye candy but who >> knows >> what I'll think of it until I actually use it. It will be some time >> though before this happens so I'll just keep plodding along with my >> XP although there is talk that Kelly's boyfriend will be buying her >> a laptop and that will have Vista on it but I've told her that's not >> allowed she can't have it before me <g> >> Joan >> > > Compared to Ubuntu Beryl, Aero looks like it was done as an after > thought by someone in Redmond's mail room. > > Here's a video to show you the difference: > > I just put the cd in to see what you meant - since I've never noticed anything as finished in Ubuntu - or any version of Linux, for that matter - as the Windows interface. Some come close. But the difference between us is not really that you think that Linux is superior to Windows and I vice versa - it is that I freely admit this is just my opinion, while you keep making these pronouncements as though they're indisputable Truth, not merely your opinion, and the experience of others appears not to dent your absolute conviction one whit - the implication of which is always going to be that anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. Or is that what this 'Ubuntu' obsession is about? Were you a computer operator/programmer/administrator back when it was a hermetic art and you were revered for your arcane knowledge? Then along came Windows and now you're 'just this guy'? So you keep rattling on about Ubuntu so when most people find it difficult to use you'll be held in awe again? Hey, you can scoff, but every street in every town in every country on Earth has at least one guy who absolutely will not entertain the possibility that he might be mistaken - and everybody else in the world knows it, knows that 'he always has to be right!'. The irony is that there will be those that think I'm really talking about myself - and to them I say this is my own sermon from the mount: the only way to avoid self-deception is to constantly guard against it. The biggest self-deceivers are the ones who say they never do it. Otherwise every last one of us does it, every day of our lives. And it's about the last thing anyone wants to accept, therefore they keep doing it. "Here in my tittle-tattle little world Of what I whittle down To meet my preconceptions, Thus to justify my fears, In a box, as rare as spittle, Just another Human skittle Honing powers of deception - So to dream another year" And the one about the Pelican. Linux trolls want everyone to be in awe of their ability to use the thing when most give up after the first hour wasted trying to get the thing to do something as basic as go online - especially if previously they spent an entire day or two trying before realising that Linux simply doesn't support their modem unless - as they found researching it on the net (in Windows) they write their own driver! It isn't too many years ago - though a year is a long time in computing, of course - that I was set to write my own soft-modem driver. I could have done it but the time it would have taken simply was not worth it...I had two or three Windows installations up and running. Where is the gain in writing your own driver for an OS who's developers failed to provide it themselves? An alternative graphical user interface operating system is a nice idea, but when you have to jump through hoops to get it to run - assuming you ever can - the point is lost. And just how good is a system going to be once you do get it set up, when you have to go through so much hassle to get there? It's a rhetorical question. But maybe it *would* be good! Only if the lack of perspective demonstrated by those who recommend it unreservedly is reflected in it's inner workings, then just forget about it. It begins to look like it's all about denial in extremis. Now I've binned the Ubuntu cd. I've had enough! On the old computer it wouldn't just *run* and on the new computer it won't just *run*. On the old computer it didn't support my trinitron-based monitor to the extent of allowing me to configure it without going online first (see above) and downloading a driver. Well, in that respect it was better than Windows for Workgroups 3.11 - though I can finally run *that* with modern graphics in Virtual PC (which Ubuntu hangs in). I am even used to Linux distros supporting my monitor prior to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the first OS since WFWG3.11 I'd run that I couldn't configure the video the way I wanted it in! And now it wants to go online - only of course, it fails to! - to get drivers for the reasonably recent (128MB) nVidia card! It *recognises* the card - just doesn't have drivers for it. Tries to go online. Fails. Because the modem hasn't been configured. I still haven't got a Linux distro to go online with the current, common-as-muck and correctly identified (as ever, but to no purpose) USB modems. No problem whatsoever in any recent version of Windows! In fact, no problem in Server 2008 x64 beta 3 - what I've done most of my running Aero in. So I can put a beta of a 64-bit Windows OS not due for release until next year and not even at the RC stage and within 5 minutes the modem and the graphics card drivers are installed and it all works very well. But this Ubuntu you keep rattling on about won't go online and won't run 'Beryl' until it does, because it doesn't have the drivers for a 128MB GeForce card (bought just a few months ago) like previously it didn't have them for my Trinitron-baced CRT monitor (which still works well, incidentally, but is sitting, boxed up and awaiting some use). I don't care to spend the rest of the day trying to get Ubuntu to work. If you think it is a serious rival for Windows, you need your head looking at. So Alias, are you trying to lead people the way the stage magician does, to accept your statement, or do you honestly believe you *can* make a judgement on visual quality of either system, from such a low quality video? And I don't recall what your Vista experience was, but preisely the same applies to the question of whether you think - even if that video was crystal clear and high res - that anyone can make such a judgement in a couple of minutes? My 'report' is specifically about having come to like something that I initially hated. It is about the necessity for time in order to make value judgements. Presumably you didn't read my post, that Joan was responding to, since if you're proposing that these interfaces can be definitively judged in two minutes, you are clearly identifying with the 'shallow' users I referred to. Meanwhile, you can paint me as you like - you may have noticed I don't particularly care what people think of me - but should we just write you off as an Ubuntu obsessive? I mean, apart from the various update notifications, most of your posts are indistinguishable from Ubuntu spam these days. Is it your hobby horse or are you somehow connected with the project and conveniently failing to mention it? See, you can write both Mart and myself off as computer novices, if you like, but believe you me, if neither of *us* can set Ubuntu up without encountering severe difficulties, then the vast majority of the world's personal computer users certainly cannot. I for one do not consider myself a *guru* - but I do know so much more than the average user you'd need a computer to calculate it! I'm sure all of us here have always considered you intelligent enough to 'get' the implications of such a rather obvious fact. You put the Windows cd in - one hour later you're surfing the net, writing e-mails or work-related documents, listening to music etc. Put a Linux cd in and, unless you're one of the lucky ones, an hour later you're pulling you hair out. Are you going to ignore this inconvenient fact forever Alias? Do you think that if it works for you, it works for everybody? Or to you just want to goad me into an argument, because you can't get enough of them? After all, it was guaranteed, wasn't it. Shane
Guest Joan Archer Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc John might agree with you there <g> as for you finishing them whatever turns you on, they're not my cup of tea at all <g> Joan Shane wrote: > That may mean you have noodles rather than > brains <vbg> or it may mean you saw something in it when I didn't, so > I'll be interested in what you do think. Which reminds me - I really > *must* finish those noodles! <g>
Guest Alias Posted August 5, 2007 Posted August 5, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Shane wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Joan Archer wrote: >>> Very interesting write up Shane, I'm still holding off any opinion >>> until I've actually seen a Vista machine running so I can judge for >>> myself. As you say it may be that I don't need the eye candy but who >>> knows >>> what I'll think of it until I actually use it. It will be some time >>> though before this happens so I'll just keep plodding along with my >>> XP although there is talk that Kelly's boyfriend will be buying her >>> a laptop and that will have Vista on it but I've told her that's not >>> allowed she can't have it before me <g> >>> Joan >>> >> Compared to Ubuntu Beryl, Aero looks like it was done as an after >> thought by someone in Redmond's mail room. >> >> Here's a video to show you the difference: >> >> > > I just put the cd in to see what you meant - since I've never noticed > anything as finished in Ubuntu - or any version of Linux, for that matter - > as the Windows interface. Some come close. But the difference between us is > not really that you think that Linux is superior to Windows and I vice > versa - it is that I freely admit this is just my opinion, while you keep > making these pronouncements as though they're indisputable Truth, not merely > your opinion, and the experience of others appears not to dent your absolute > conviction one whit - the implication of which is always going to be that > anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong. > > Or is that what this 'Ubuntu' obsession is about? Were you a computer > operator/programmer/administrator back when it was a hermetic art and you > were revered for your arcane knowledge? Then along came Windows and now > you're 'just this guy'? So you keep rattling on about Ubuntu so when most > people find it difficult to use you'll be held in awe again? > > Hey, you can scoff, but every street in every town in every country on Earth > has at least one guy who absolutely will not entertain the possibility that > he might be mistaken - and everybody else in the world knows it, knows that > 'he always has to be right!'. The irony is that there will be those that > think I'm really talking about myself - and to them I say this is my own > sermon from the mount: the only way to avoid self-deception is to constantly > guard against it. The biggest self-deceivers are the ones who say they never > do it. Otherwise every last one of us does it, every day of our lives. And > it's about the last thing anyone wants to accept, therefore they keep doing > it. > > "Here in my tittle-tattle little world > Of what I whittle down > To meet my preconceptions, > Thus to justify my fears, > In a box, as rare as spittle, > Just another Human skittle > Honing powers of deception > - So to dream another year" > > And the one about the Pelican. > > Linux trolls want everyone to be in awe of their ability to use the thing > when most give up after the first hour wasted trying to get the thing to do > something as basic as go online - especially if previously they spent an > entire day or two trying before realising that Linux simply doesn't support > their modem unless - as they found researching it on the net (in > Windows) they write their own driver! > > It isn't too many years ago - though a year is a long time in computing, of > course - that I was set to write my own soft-modem driver. I could have done > it but the time it would have taken simply was not worth it...I had two or > three Windows installations up and running. Where is the gain in writing > your own driver for an OS who's developers failed to provide it themselves? > An alternative graphical user interface operating system is a nice idea, but > when you have to jump through hoops to get it to run - assuming you ever > can - the point is lost. And just how good is a system going to be once you > do get it set up, when you have to go through so much hassle to get there? > > It's a rhetorical question. > > But maybe it *would* be good! Only if the lack of perspective demonstrated > by those who recommend it unreservedly is reflected in it's inner workings, > then just forget about it. It begins to look like it's all about denial in > extremis. > > Now I've binned the Ubuntu cd. I've had enough! On the old computer it > wouldn't just *run* and on the new computer it won't just *run*. On the old > computer it didn't support my trinitron-based monitor to the extent of > allowing me to configure it without going online first (see above) and > downloading a driver. Well, in that respect it was better than Windows for > Workgroups 3.11 - though I can finally run *that* with modern graphics in > Virtual PC (which Ubuntu hangs in). I am even used to Linux distros > supporting my monitor prior to Ubuntu. Ubuntu is the first OS since WFWG3.11 > I'd run that I couldn't configure the video the way I wanted it in! > > And now it wants to go online - only of course, it fails to! - to get > drivers for the reasonably recent (128MB) nVidia card! It *recognises* the > card - just doesn't have drivers for it. Tries to go online. Fails. Because > the modem hasn't been configured. I still haven't got a Linux distro to go > online with the current, common-as-muck and correctly identified (as ever, > but to no purpose) USB modems. No problem whatsoever in any recent version > of Windows! In fact, no problem in Server 2008 x64 beta 3 - what I've done > most of my running Aero in. So I can put a beta of a 64-bit Windows OS not > due for release until next year and not even at the RC stage and within 5 > minutes the modem and the graphics card drivers are installed and it all > works very well. But this Ubuntu you keep rattling on about won't go online > and won't run 'Beryl' until it does, because it doesn't have the drivers for > a 128MB GeForce card (bought just a few months ago) like previously it > didn't have them for my Trinitron-baced CRT monitor (which still works well, > incidentally, but is sitting, boxed up and awaiting some use). > > I don't care to spend the rest of the day trying to get Ubuntu to work. If > you think it is a serious rival for Windows, you need your head looking at. > > So Alias, are you trying to lead people the way the stage magician does, to > accept your statement, or do you honestly believe you *can* make a judgement > on visual quality of either system, from such a low quality video? And I > don't recall what your Vista experience was, but preisely the same applies > to the question of whether you think - even if that video was crystal clear > and high res - that anyone can make such a judgement in a couple of minutes? > My 'report' is specifically about having come to like something that I > initially hated. It is about the necessity for time in order to make value > judgements. Presumably you didn't read my post, that Joan was responding to, > since if you're proposing that these interfaces can be definitively judged > in two minutes, you are clearly identifying with the 'shallow' users I > referred to. > > Meanwhile, you can paint me as you like - you may have noticed I don't > particularly care what people think of me - but should we just write you off > as an Ubuntu obsessive? I mean, apart from the various update notifications, > most of your posts are indistinguishable from Ubuntu spam these days. Is it > your hobby horse or are you somehow connected with the project and > conveniently failing to mention it? > > See, you can write both Mart and myself off as computer novices, if you > like, but believe you me, if neither of *us* can set Ubuntu up without > encountering severe difficulties, then the vast majority of the world's > personal computer users certainly cannot. I for one do not consider myself a > *guru* - but I do know so much more than the average user you'd need a > computer to calculate it! I'm sure all of us here have always considered you > intelligent enough to 'get' the implications of such a rather obvious fact. > You put the Windows cd in - one hour later you're surfing the net, writing > e-mails or work-related documents, listening to music etc. Put a Linux cd in > and, unless you're one of the lucky ones, an hour later you're pulling you > hair out. Are you going to ignore this inconvenient fact forever Alias? > > Do you think that if it works for you, it works for everybody? > > Or to you just want to goad me into an argument, because you can't get > enough of them? After all, it was guaranteed, wasn't it. > > > Shane > I don't know why you had so much trouble. My child and I just installed Ubuntu on her AMD2 4600+ with 2 gigs of RAM and a PCI Express 512 nVidia card and we were done in 58 minutes, including all the updates and programs. My kid was amazed at how *easy* it was and how *fast* it was compared to installing XP on the same machine. I'm sorry, but I am not going to address the rest of your post because I am not really here to discuss Ubuntu. If you really want to install it, you'll ask for help in the appropriate forum instead of tossing up your hands and throwing the CD into the trash. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Eric Posted August 6, 2007 Posted August 6, 2007 Re: Vista/w2k8/Aero etc Shane, I haven't had the chance to try Vista yet, but I wanted to comment on this one point. Internet Explorer is and always has been Windows Explorer. Try this on the old WinME machine. Open an internet explorer session, then type C:\ in the address bar, and it's transformed to Windows Explorer. It's a trick that comes in handy in WinXP when you have multiple users and different access levels. I'm not aware of an easy way to do "run as" on Windows Explorer, but you can do a "run as" on Internet Explorer and you can just switch over from there. One was built right on top of the other. "Shane" <shanebeatson@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ODe$9Bx1HHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > I don't like it - the new Windows Explorer, I mean. Oh, you get used to > it - but it's too much of the same. Making everything web is like losing > the seperation between work and home. I like working in Explorer as > distinct from the internet, in 9x, or here in XP. It is like getting back > home, putting on your slippers, relaxing. I don't think they understand > that at the global conglomerates. > > > Shane >
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