Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

[Guest Dan]

Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP Professional

installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive. I have seen the

following web page on the Internet but I don't want to risk messing up the XP

Pro. install in any way if possible.

 

http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

 

Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR. The

software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device manager even

after removing them. Then by using the install hardware driver you can get

some of them back but not all of them. I guess I have the option of doing an

over install of 98SE but I would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since

I want to get rid of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the

registry is still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for the best

procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful input. By the way, I

suggest to future people to automatically edit the msconfig and limit ram to

512 mb before going above this level because I have now found this to be a

more effective way to limit ram for 98SE than changing other settings

especially if you have 2 gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE

which is starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of less and

less support for the operating system and the end of its life (in terms of

being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if memory serves me correctly by

Microsoft. My main objective is to be able to have backwards compatibility

with DOS programs and games with the secondary objective of being able to run

most modern applications with the exception of course of some of the latest

games for computers.

[Guest Dan]

RE: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that I am posting

from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

 

Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

 

1. fdisk --- partition properly

2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's of ram

4. Installed 98SE

5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper bootsect.dos

5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly accomplish

this task

 

"Dan" wrote:

> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP Professional

> installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive. I have seen the

> following web page on the Internet but I don't want to risk messing up the XP

> Pro. install in any way if possible.

>

> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

>

> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR. The

> software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device manager even

> after removing them. Then by using the install hardware driver you can get

> some of them back but not all of them. I guess I have the option of doing an

> over install of 98SE but I would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since

> I want to get rid of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the

> registry is still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for the best

> procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful input. By the way, I

> suggest to future people to automatically edit the msconfig and limit ram to

> 512 mb before going above this level because I have now found this to be a

> more effective way to limit ram for 98SE than changing other settings

> especially if you have 2 gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE

> which is starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of less and

> less support for the operating system and the end of its life (in terms of

> being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if memory serves me correctly by

> Microsoft. My main objective is to be able to have backwards compatibility

> with DOS programs and games with the secondary objective of being able to run

> most modern applications with the exception of course of some of the latest

> games for computers.

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

| I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that I am

| posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

|

| Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

|

| 1. fdisk --- partition properly

| 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

| 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's of ram

| 4. Installed 98SE

| 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

| bootsect.dos

| 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

| 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

| 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

| accomplish this task

 

Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel Petri

who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine tuning you

have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil thrice round that 98SE

side!

 

| "Dan" wrote:

|

|> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

|> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive.

|> I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I don't want

|> to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if possible.

|>

|> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

|>

|> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR.

|> The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device

|> manager even after removing them. Then by using the install

|> hardware driver you can get some of them back but not all of them.

|> I guess I have the option of doing an over install of 98SE but I

|> would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since I want to get rid

|> of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the registry is

|> still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

|> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for the

|> best procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful input. By

|> the way, I suggest to future people to automatically edit the

|> msconfig and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this level

|> because I have now found this to be a more effective way to limit

|> ram for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you have 2

|> gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which is

|> starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of less and

|> less support for the operating system and the end of its life (in

|> terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if memory serves

|> me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective is to be able to have

|> backwards compatibility with DOS programs and games with the

|> secondary objective of being able to run most modern applications

|> with the exception of course of some of the latest games for

|> computers.

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

Read the website --- :->

 

Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

 

 

 

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that I am

> | posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

> |

> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

> |

> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's of ram

> | 4. Installed 98SE

> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

> | bootsect.dos

> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

> | accomplish this task

>

> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel Petri

> who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine tuning you

> have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil thrice round that 98SE

> side!

>

> | "Dan" wrote:

> |

> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

> |> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C: drive.

> |> I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I don't want

> |> to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if possible.

> |>

> |> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

> |>

> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR.

> |> The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device

> |> manager even after removing them. Then by using the install

> |> hardware driver you can get some of them back but not all of them.

> |> I guess I have the option of doing an over install of 98SE but I

> |> would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since I want to get rid

> |> of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the registry is

> |> still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

> |> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for the

> |> best procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful input. By

> |> the way, I suggest to future people to automatically edit the

> |> msconfig and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this level

> |> because I have now found this to be a more effective way to limit

> |> ram for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you have 2

> |> gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which is

> |> starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of less and

> |> less support for the operating system and the end of its life (in

> |> terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if memory serves

> |> me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective is to be able to have

> |> backwards compatibility with DOS programs and games with the

> |> secondary objective of being able to run most modern applications

> |> with the exception of course of some of the latest games for

> |> computers.

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

>

>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:849C270D-7676-47A5-B511-C5FAF1721568@microsoft.com

| Read the website --- :->

|

| Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

 

Oops. Yea, I see that now. Very good, then. Glad it all worked out. You

did well.

 

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

|> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that I am

|> | posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

|> |

|> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

|> |

|> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

|> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

|> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's of

|> | ram

|> | 4. Installed 98SE

|> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

|> | bootsect.dos

|> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

|> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

|> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

|> | accomplish this task

|>

|> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel

|> Petri who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine

|> tuning you have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil thrice

|> round that 98SE side!

|>

|> | "Dan" wrote:

|> |

|> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

|> |> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C:

|> |> drive. I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I

|> |> don't want to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if

|> |> possible.

|> |>

|> |> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

|> |>

|> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR.

|> |> The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device

|> |> manager even after removing them. Then by using the install

|> |> hardware driver you can get some of them back but not all of them.

|> |> I guess I have the option of doing an over install of 98SE but I

|> |> would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since I want to get

|> |> rid of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the registry

|> |> is still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

|> |> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for

|> |> the best procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful

|> |> input. By the way, I suggest to future people to automatically

|> |> edit the msconfig and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this

|> |> level because I have now found this to be a more effective way to

|> |> limit ram for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you

|> |> have 2 gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which

|> |> is starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of

|> |> less and less support for the operating system and the end of its

|> |> life (in terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if

|> |> memory serves me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective is to

|> |> be able to have backwards compatibility with DOS programs and

|> |> games with the secondary objective of being able to run most

|> |> modern applications with the exception of course of some of the

|> |> latest games for computers.

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

Thank you! I am working to get everything set just the way I like it again.

See you and thanks for all your advice and support over the years also. BTW,

where is Gary S. Terhune at because I have not seen very many posts by him

recently. Also, what is the consensus about top posting, bottom posting or

in-line posting in this newsgroup or our all forms considered okay?

 

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:849C270D-7676-47A5-B511-C5FAF1721568@microsoft.com

> | Read the website --- :->

> |

> | Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

>

> Oops. Yea, I see that now. Very good, then. Glad it all worked out. You

> did well.

>

> | "PCR" wrote:

> |

> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> |> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

> |> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that I am

> |> | posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

> |> |

> |> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

> |> |

> |> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

> |> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

> |> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's of

> |> | ram

> |> | 4. Installed 98SE

> |> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

> |> | bootsect.dos

> |> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

> |> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

> |> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

> |> | accomplish this task

> |>

> |> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel

> |> Petri who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine

> |> tuning you have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil thrice

> |> round that 98SE side!

> |>

> |> | "Dan" wrote:

> |> |

> |> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

> |> |> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C:

> |> |> drive. I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I

> |> |> don't want to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if

> |> |> possible.

> |> |>

> |> |> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

> |> |>

> |> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR.

> |> |> The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device

> |> |> manager even after removing them. Then by using the install

> |> |> hardware driver you can get some of them back but not all of them.

> |> |> I guess I have the option of doing an over install of 98SE but I

> |> |> would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since I want to get

> |> |> rid of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the registry

> |> |> is still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

> |> |> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for

> |> |> the best procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful

> |> |> input. By the way, I suggest to future people to automatically

> |> |> edit the msconfig and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this

> |> |> level because I have now found this to be a more effective way to

> |> |> limit ram for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you

> |> |> have 2 gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which

> |> |> is starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of

> |> |> less and less support for the operating system and the end of its

> |> |> life (in terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if

> |> |> memory serves me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective is to

> |> |> be able to have backwards compatibility with DOS programs and

> |> |> games with the secondary objective of being able to run most

> |> |> modern applications with the exception of course of some of the

> |> |> latest games for computers.

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

>

>

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

I just wrote it in the other thread but I will mention it here also. I

wanted to give everyone my thanks for helping me with Windows 98 Second

Edition.

 

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:849C270D-7676-47A5-B511-C5FAF1721568@microsoft.com

> | Read the website --- :->

> |

> | Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

>

> Oops. Yea, I see that now. Very good, then. Glad it all worked out. You

> did well.

>

> | "PCR" wrote:

> |

> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> |> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

> |> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that I am

> |> | posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

> |> |

> |> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

> |> |

> |> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

> |> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

> |> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's of

> |> | ram

> |> | 4. Installed 98SE

> |> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

> |> | bootsect.dos

> |> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

> |> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

> |> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

> |> | accomplish this task

> |>

> |> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel

> |> Petri who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine

> |> tuning you have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil thrice

> |> round that 98SE side!

> |>

> |> | "Dan" wrote:

> |> |

> |> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

> |> |> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C:

> |> |> drive. I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I

> |> |> don't want to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if

> |> |> possible.

> |> |>

> |> |> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

> |> |>

> |> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now FUBAR.

> |> |> The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in the device

> |> |> manager even after removing them. Then by using the install

> |> |> hardware driver you can get some of them back but not all of them.

> |> |> I guess I have the option of doing an over install of 98SE but I

> |> |> would prefer the clean install route of 98SE since I want to get

> |> |> rid of all the garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the registry

> |> |> is still in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

> |> |> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for

> |> |> the best procedure and would appreciate good and thoughtful

> |> |> input. By the way, I suggest to future people to automatically

> |> |> edit the msconfig and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this

> |> |> level because I have now found this to be a more effective way to

> |> |> limit ram for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you

> |> |> have 2 gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which

> |> |> is starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of

> |> |> less and less support for the operating system and the end of its

> |> |> life (in terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006 if

> |> |> memory serves me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective is to

> |> |> be able to have backwards compatibility with DOS programs and

> |> |> games with the secondary objective of being able to run most

> |> |> modern applications with the exception of course of some of the

> |> |> latest games for computers.

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

>

>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:449571F9-A071-4590-8729-413719B60378@microsoft.com

| Thank you! I am working to get everything set just the way I like it

| again. See you and thanks for all your advice and support over the

| years also. BTW, where is Gary S. Terhune at because I have not seen

| very many posts by him recently. Also, what is the consensus about

| top posting, bottom posting or in-line posting in this newsgroup or

| our all forms considered okay?

 

You are welcome. Keep us informed. I see (in the other thread), if this

fresh install ultimately fails to satisfy, you will try cquirke's

suggestion. Lots of MVPs do it that way. As Terhune has run out of toes

for his poodles to grab onto, he no longer sits much at his computer in

an earthquake zone. However, he does pop in & out still-- I have seen

him recently...!...

news:uQDdvec3HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

 

 

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:849C270D-7676-47A5-B511-C5FAF1721568@microsoft.com

|> | Read the website --- :->

|> |

|> | Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

|>

|> Oops. Yea, I see that now. Very good, then. Glad it all worked out.

|> You did well.

|>

|> | "PCR" wrote:

|> |

|> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> |> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

|> |> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that

|> |> | I am posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

|> |> |

|> |> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

|> |> |

|> |> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

|> |> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

|> |> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's

|> |> | of ram

|> |> | 4. Installed 98SE

|> |> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

|> |> | bootsect.dos

|> |> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

|> |> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

|> |> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

|> |> | accomplish this task

|> |>

|> |> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel

|> |> Petri who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine

|> |> tuning you have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil

|> |> thrice round that 98SE side!

|> |>

|> |> | "Dan" wrote:

|> |> |

|> |> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

|> |> |> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C:

|> |> |> drive. I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I

|> |> |> don't want to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if

|> |> |> possible.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

|> |> |>

|> |> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now

|> |> |> FUBAR. The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in

|> |> |> the device manager even after removing them. Then by using

|> |> |> the install hardware driver you can get some of them back but

|> |> |> not all of them. I guess I have the option of doing an over

|> |> |> install of 98SE but I would prefer the clean install route of

|> |> |> 98SE since I want to get rid of all the garbage left over in

|> |> |> 98SE. Aparently the registry is still in good shape at least

|> |> |> according to scanreg/fix and the registry has been optimized

|> |> |> by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for the best procedure and

|> |> |> would appreciate good and thoughtful input. By the way, I

|> |> |> suggest to future people to automatically edit the msconfig

|> |> |> and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this level because

|> |> |> I have now found this to be a more effective way to limit ram

|> |> |> for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you have 2

|> |> |> gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which is

|> |> |> starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of

|> |> |> less and less support for the operating system and the end of

|> |> |> its life (in terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006

|> |> |> if memory serves me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective

|> |> |> is to be able to have backwards compatibility with DOS

|> |> |> programs and games with the secondary objective of being able

|> |> |> to run most modern applications with the exception of course

|> |> |> of some of the latest games for computers.

|> |>

|> |> --

|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> Should things get worse after this,

|> |> PCR

|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

Thanks! I actually did try the download of Microsoft Virtual Machine with

98SE for XP Professional and it works okay but definately not as good as the

operating system itself. For one thing when I tried to install programs for

98SE on it --- it gave me error messages and would not install them. It

happened with some of the Sierra game collections that I tried. However,

these now support Dosbox and work okay with Dosbox but still not as well as

they run in 98SE since they were originally DOS games.

 

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:449571F9-A071-4590-8729-413719B60378@microsoft.com

> | Thank you! I am working to get everything set just the way I like it

> | again. See you and thanks for all your advice and support over the

> | years also. BTW, where is Gary S. Terhune at because I have not seen

> | very many posts by him recently. Also, what is the consensus about

> | top posting, bottom posting or in-line posting in this newsgroup or

> | our all forms considered okay?

>

> You are welcome. Keep us informed. I see (in the other thread), if this

> fresh install ultimately fails to satisfy, you will try cquirke's

> suggestion. Lots of MVPs do it that way. As Terhune has run out of toes

> for his poodles to grab onto, he no longer sits much at his computer in

> an earthquake zone. However, he does pop in & out still-- I have seen

> him recently...!...

> news:uQDdvec3HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

>

>

> | "PCR" wrote:

> |

> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> |> news:849C270D-7676-47A5-B511-C5FAF1721568@microsoft.com

> |> | Read the website --- :->

> |> |

> |> | Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

> |>

> |> Oops. Yea, I see that now. Very good, then. Glad it all worked out.

> |> You did well.

> |>

> |> | "PCR" wrote:

> |> |

> |> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> |> |> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

> |> |> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know that

> |> |> | I am posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine tuning.

> |> |> |

> |> |> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for sure)

> |> |> |

> |> |> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

> |> |> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

> |> |> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512 mb's

> |> |> | of ram

> |> |> | 4. Installed 98SE

> |> |> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

> |> |> | bootsect.dos

> |> |> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

> |> |> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from cd's

> |> |> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to properly

> |> |> | accomplish this task

> |> |>

> |> |> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was Daniel

> |> |> Petri who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify exactly what fine

> |> |> tuning you have in mind-- if other than just to wrap tinfoil

> |> |> thrice round that 98SE side!

> |> |>

> |> |> | "Dan" wrote:

> |> |> |

> |> |> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have XP

> |> |> |> Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on the C:

> |> |> |> drive. I have seen the following web page on the Internet but I

> |> |> |> don't want to risk messing up the XP Pro. install in any way if

> |> |> |> possible.

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

> |> |> |>

> |> |> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now

> |> |> |> FUBAR. The software drivers do not even fully load anymore in

> |> |> |> the device manager even after removing them. Then by using

> |> |> |> the install hardware driver you can get some of them back but

> |> |> |> not all of them. I guess I have the option of doing an over

> |> |> |> install of 98SE but I would prefer the clean install route of

> |> |> |> 98SE since I want to get rid of all the garbage left over in

> |> |> |> 98SE. Aparently the registry is still in good shape at least

> |> |> |> according to scanreg/fix and the registry has been optimized

> |> |> |> by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss for the best procedure and

> |> |> |> would appreciate good and thoughtful input. By the way, I

> |> |> |> suggest to future people to automatically edit the msconfig

> |> |> |> and limit ram to 512 mb before going above this level because

> |> |> |> I have now found this to be a more effective way to limit ram

> |> |> |> for 98SE than changing other settings especially if you have 2

> |> |> |> gigabytes of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which is

> |> |> |> starting to get more and more difficult due to the fact of

> |> |> |> less and less support for the operating system and the end of

> |> |> |> its life (in terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006

> |> |> |> if memory serves me correctly by Microsoft. My main objective

> |> |> |> is to be able to have backwards compatibility with DOS

> |> |> |> programs and games with the secondary objective of being able

> |> |> |> to run most modern applications with the exception of course

> |> |> |> of some of the latest games for computers.

> |> |>

> |> |> --

> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> |> PCR

> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

>

>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:97357E38-B1AB-43C4-A1CB-9F54E660A218@microsoft.com

| Thanks! I actually did try the download of Microsoft Virtual Machine

| with 98SE for XP Professional and it works okay but definately not as

| good as the operating system itself. For one thing when I tried to

| install programs for 98SE on it --- it gave me error messages and

| would not install them. It happened with some of the Sierra game

| collections that I tried. However, these now support Dosbox and work

| okay with Dosbox but still not as well as they run in 98SE since they

| were originally DOS games.

 

I THOUGHT the XP-irradiation would have that effect, but didn't want to

go against so many MVPs who are pleased as punch with their purple

tongues & falling earlobes! OK, thanks for the report! That's

invaluable! Glad it is working out with the fresh install, then!

 

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:449571F9-A071-4590-8729-413719B60378@microsoft.com

|> | Thank you! I am working to get everything set just the way I like

|> | it again. See you and thanks for all your advice and support over

|> | the years also. BTW, where is Gary S. Terhune at because I have

|> | not seen very many posts by him recently. Also, what is the

|> | consensus about top posting, bottom posting or in-line posting in

|> | this newsgroup or our all forms considered okay?

|>

|> You are welcome. Keep us informed. I see (in the other thread), if

|> this fresh install ultimately fails to satisfy, you will try

|> cquirke's suggestion. Lots of MVPs do it that way. As Terhune has

|> run out of toes for his poodles to grab onto, he no longer sits much

|> at his computer in an earthquake zone. However, he does pop in & out

|> still-- I have seen him recently...!...

|> news:uQDdvec3HHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

|>

|>

|> | "PCR" wrote:

|> |

|> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> |> news:849C270D-7676-47A5-B511-C5FAF1721568@microsoft.com

|> |> | Read the website --- :->

|> |> |

|> |> | Note: This tip was originally written by Doug Knox.

|> |>

|> |> Oops. Yea, I see that now. Very good, then. Glad it all worked

|> |> out. You did well.

|> |>

|> |> | "PCR" wrote:

|> |> |

|> |> |> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> |> |> news:EF34FB71-42C4-4E0B-B7BC-DA7555F0BD65@microsoft.com

|> |> |> | I am replying to myself but I wanted to let everyone know

|> |> |> | that I am posting from 98SE again and now it needs fine

|> |> |> | tuning.

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | Steps that worked for me: (not suggested to the novice for

|> |> |> | sure)

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | 1. fdisk --- partition properly

|> |> |> | 2. format c:\ --- where 98SE was installed

|> |> |> | 3. remembered to remove extra memory and downgrade to 512

|> |> |> | mb's of ram

|> |> |> | 4. Installed 98SE

|> |> |> | 5. used startup floppy disk to help install 98SE with proper

|> |> |> | bootsect.dos

|> |> |> | 5. Debug <READ.SCR at a:\ prompt

|> |> |> | 6. Finished and began to get proper drivers and stuff from

|> |> |> | cd's

|> |> |> | 7. Grateful thanks to Doug Knox for the information to

|> |> |> | properly accomplish this task

|> |> |>

|> |> |> Very nice! You did well! Glad to see it! Looks to me it was

|> |> |> Daniel Petri who wrote that up, not Knox. Maybe specify

|> |> |> exactly what fine tuning you have in mind-- if other than just

|> |> |> to wrap tinfoil thrice round that 98SE side!

|> |> |>

|> |> |> | "Dan" wrote:

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> |> Okay, I have decided to do a clean install of 98SE. I have

|> |> |> |> XP Professional installed on the D: drive and 98SE is on

|> |> |> |> the C: drive. I have seen the following web page on the

|> |> |> |> Internet but I don't want to risk messing up the XP Pro.

|> |> |> |> install in any way if possible.

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |>

http://www.petri.co.il/install_windows_98_after_windows_xp.htm

|> |> |> |>

|> |> |> |> Windows 98SE is on the c:\ hard drive but it really is now

|> |> |> |> FUBAR. The software drivers do not even fully load anymore

|> |> |> |> in the device manager even after removing them. Then by

|> |> |> |> using the install hardware driver you can get some of them

|> |> |> |> back but not all of them. I guess I have the option of

|> |> |> |> doing an over install of 98SE but I would prefer the clean

|> |> |> |> install route of 98SE since I want to get rid of all the

|> |> |> |> garbage left over in 98SE. Aparently the registry is still

|> |> |> |> in good shape at least according to scanreg/fix and the

|> |> |> |> registry has been optimized by scanreg/opt. I am at a loss

|> |> |> |> for the best procedure and would appreciate good and

|> |> |> |> thoughtful input. By the way, I suggest to future people

|> |> |> |> to automatically edit the msconfig and limit ram to 512 mb

|> |> |> |> before going above this level because I have now found this

|> |> |> |> to be a more effective way to limit ram for 98SE than

|> |> |> |> changing other settings especially if you have 2 gigabytes

|> |> |> |> of ram or more and still want to use 98SE which is starting

|> |> |> |> to get more and more difficult due to the fact of less and

|> |> |> |> less support for the operating system and the end of its

|> |> |> |> life (in terms of being supported) effective July 11, 2006

|> |> |> |> if memory serves me correctly by Microsoft. My main

|> |> |> |> objective is to be able to have backwards compatibility

|> |> |> |> with DOS programs and games with the secondary objective of

|> |> |> |> being able to run most modern applications with the

|> |> |> |> exception of course of some of the latest games for

|> |> |> |> computers.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> --

|> |> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> |> Should things get worse after this,

|> |> |> PCR

|> |> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|> |>

|> |> --

|> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> |> Should things get worse after this,

|> |> PCR

|> |> pcrrcp@netzero.net

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

<snipped for length concerns>

 

However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still using 512

mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install the 2 gigs of ram

and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

| <snipped for length concerns>

|

| However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

| using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

| the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

 

I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never let

the W98 side use more than 512 KB. ALSO, I believe, you should NOT boot

to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than actually is

installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following change-- but do

not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q184447

Insufficient Memory

 

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;253912

"Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

 

(1) "START, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".

Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.

(2) Click the "New" button

(3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"

(4) Click "Apply" and "OK".

(5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.

OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM.

 

JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...

376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:%23sph5T33HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

| "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

|| <snipped for length concerns>

||

|| However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

|| using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

|| the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

|

| I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never

| let the W98 side use more than 512 KB. ALSO, I believe, you should

| NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

| actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following

| change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

|

|

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

| Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

|

| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q184447

| Insufficient Memory

|

| http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;253912

| "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

|

| (1) "START, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".

| Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.

| (2) Click the "New" button

| (3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"

| (4) Click "Apply" and "OK".

| (5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.

| OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM.

|

| JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...

| 376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

 

Here is more that I've seen Badour post elsewhere...!...

 

.........Quote...............................

Here's some info on ram you might find helpful:

 

Over 512 mb or more of ram:

 

"Out of Memory" Errors with Large Amounts of RAM Installed [Q253912]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q253912

 

This article contains instructions which basically say: add this line

in

system.ini, under [vcache]: MaxFileCache=512000

***************************

 

1 gb or more of ram:

 

Error Message: Insufficient Memory to Initialize Windows [Q184447]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q184447

***************************

 

1.5 gb or more of ram:

 

Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM [Q304943]

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;Q304943

 

 

The practical limit for W98 is 1.5 gb; however, there are people who

claim

to run with 2 gb. Your plan for 768 mb is OK but it takes the tweak

mentioned above.

 

--

Regards

 

Ron Badour

MS MVP 1997 - 2007

.........EOQ......................

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

Thanks PCR! <smile>

 

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

> | <snipped for length concerns>

> |

> | However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

> | using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

> | the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

>

> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never let

> the W98 side use more than 512 KB. ALSO, I believe, you should NOT boot

> to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than actually is

> installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following change-- but do

> not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

> Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q184447

> Insufficient Memory

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;253912

> "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

>

> (1) "START, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".

> Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.

> (2) Click the "New" button

> (3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"

> (4) Click "Apply" and "OK".

> (5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.

> OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM.

>

> JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...

> 376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

>

>

>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:958EF6B8-73B4-413D-B676-D363FA3A06C1@microsoft.com

| Thanks PCR! <smile>

 

You are welcome. :-).

 

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

|> | <snipped for length concerns>

|> |

|> | However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

|> | using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

|> | the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

|>

|> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never

|> let the W98 side use more than 512 KB. ALSO, I believe, you should

|> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

|> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following

|> change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

|>

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

|> Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q184447

|> Insufficient Memory

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;253912

|> "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

|>

|> (1) "START, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".

|> Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.

|> (2) Click the "New" button

|> (3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"

|> (4) Click "Apply" and "OK".

|> (5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.

|> OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM.

|>

|> JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...

|> 376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

I am on top of the world after a beer and a Margarita. Life is Good ---

<smile --- zzz>

 

"PCR" wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

> | <snipped for length concerns>

> |

> | However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

> | using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

> | the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

>

> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never let

> the W98 side use more than 512 KB. ALSO, I believe, you should NOT boot

> to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than actually is

> installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following change-- but do

> not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

> Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q184447

> Insufficient Memory

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;253912

> "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

>

> (1) "START, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".

> Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.

> (2) Click the "New" button

> (3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"

> (4) Click "Apply" and "OK".

> (5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.

> OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM.

>

> JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...

> 376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

>

>

>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

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| I am on top of the world after a beer and a Margarita. Life is Good

| --- <smile --- zzz>

 

Watch out for Brian A. taking a grab at that beer, & don't spill any on

the computer! OK, enjoy, & pleasant dreams!

 

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

|> | <snipped for length concerns>

|> |

|> | However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

|> | using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

|> | the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

|>

|> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never

|> let the W98 side use more than 512 KB. ALSO, I believe, you should

|> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

|> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following

|> change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

|>

|>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304943&Product=w98

|> Computer May Reboot Continuously with More Than 1.5 GB of RAM

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q184447

|> Insufficient Memory

|>

|> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;253912

|> "Out of Memory" Error Messages with Large Amounts of RAM Installed

|>

|> (1) "START, Run, MSConfig, System.ini tab, [vcache] section".

|> Don't just open the section; click it to highlight.

|> (2) Click the "New" button

|> (3) Type in: "MaxFileCache=524288"

|> (4) Click "Apply" and "OK".

|> (5) Reboot, IF that much (512 KB) is already available.

|> OTHERWISE, just shut down & add the RAM.

|>

|> JUST, don't exceed usable RAM, as seen at "START, Run, MSInfo32"...

|> 376MB RAM, it says for me, because Video has grabbed away 8 MB.

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Buffalo]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

Dan wrote:

> I just wrote it in the other thread but I will mention it here also.

> I wanted to give everyone my thanks for helping me with Windows 98

> Second Edition.

 

So, did you ever install the other 1.5GB of ram?

Hopefully you did and it's working well.

I run a dual boot 98-2000 with 1 GB of ram and I only had to add the line to

the [vcache] section of System.ini.

One GB of ram runs just great on both systems.

[Guest Buffalo]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

PCR wrote:

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

>> <snipped for length concerns>

>>

>> However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

>> using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

>> the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

>

> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never

> let the W98 side use more than 512 KB.

 

Actually, Win98SE uses 1GB very well. MaxFileCache just limits the maximum

amount of system memory allocated for caching files but lets it use all the

ram for its own use. (Win98SE seems to have problems when over 1GB of ram

is allowed to be recognized).

 

I believe you already know this, but I was just trying to clarify this for

others that may have read your post.

>ALSO, I believe, you should

> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following

> change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

 

I believe that the accepted value for the MaxFileCache line is 70% of your

physical ram up to a max value of 524288.

At least that's what I remembered from my earlier game playing days.

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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| PCR wrote:

|> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

|>> <snipped for length concerns>

|>>

|>> However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

|>> using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

|>> the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

|>

|> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never

|> let the W98 side use more than 512 KB.

|

| Actually, Win98SE uses 1GB very well. MaxFileCache just limits the

| maximum amount of system memory allocated for caching files but lets

| it use all the ram for its own use. (Win98SE seems to have problems

| when over 1GB of ram is allowed to be recognized).

|

| I believe you already know this, but I was just trying to clarify

| this for others that may have read your post.

 

OK. That's right, yea-- 1 MB, & I already knew, uhuh. The MAIN point I

was trying to make is... do not let the MaxFileCache control more RAM

than actually is installed & usable to Win98. Someone at this NG once

made that discovery the hard way!

 

|

|>ALSO, I believe, you should

|> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

|> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following

|> change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

|

| I believe that the accepted value for the MaxFileCache line is 70% of

| your physical ram up to a max value of 524288.

| At least that's what I remembered from my earlier game playing days.

 

70% of usable RAM, keeping in mind 524288 must not be exceeded? I can't

quite recall everything I knew about that-- & I may even have done

limited experiments! OK, Buffalo-- fine! 70%, then! OK, thanks.

[Guest Buffalo]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

PCR wrote:

> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

> news:W4qdnU6bw9mm-1HbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com

>> PCR wrote:

>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>>> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

>>>> <snipped for length concerns>

>>>>

>>>> However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

>>>> using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will install

>>>> the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows. <grin>

>>>

>>> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read). Never

>>> let the W98 side use more than 512 KB.

>>

>> Actually, Win98SE uses 1GB very well. MaxFileCache just limits the

>> maximum amount of system memory allocated for caching files but lets

>> it use all the ram for its own use. (Win98SE seems to have problems

>> when over 1GB of ram is allowed to be recognized).

>>

>> I believe you already know this, but I was just trying to clarify

>> this for others that may have read your post.

>

> OK. That's right, yea-- 1 MB, & I already knew, uhuh. The MAIN point I

> was trying to make is... do not let the MaxFileCache control more RAM

> than actually is installed & usable to Win98. Someone at this NG once

> made that discovery the hard way!

 

I think you made a very important point.

>>

>>> ALSO, I believe, you should

>>> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

>>> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the following

>>> change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is available...!...

>>

>> I believe that the accepted value for the MaxFileCache line is 70% of

>> your physical ram up to a max value of 524288.

>> At least that's what I remembered from my earlier game playing days.

>

> 70% of usable RAM, keeping in mind 524288 must not be exceeded? I

> can't quite recall everything I knew about that-- & I may even have

> done limited experiments! OK, Buffalo-- fine! 70%, then! OK, thanks.

 

That was a suggestion made about 10yrs ago if you had => 256mb of ram, I

think. :)

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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| PCR wrote:

|> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

|> news:W4qdnU6bw9mm-1HbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|>>> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

|>>>> <snipped for length concerns>

|>>>>

|>>>> However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

|>>>> using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will

|>>>> install the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows.

|>>>> <grin>

|>>>

|>>> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read).

|>>> Never let the W98 side use more than 512 KB.

|>>

|>> Actually, Win98SE uses 1GB very well. MaxFileCache just limits the

|>> maximum amount of system memory allocated for caching files but lets

|>> it use all the ram for its own use. (Win98SE seems to have problems

|>> when over 1GB of ram is allowed to be recognized).

|>>

|>> I believe you already know this, but I was just trying to clarify

|>> this for others that may have read your post.

|>

|> OK. That's right, yea-- 1 MB, & I already knew, uhuh. The MAIN point

|> I was trying to make is... do not let the MaxFileCache control more

|> RAM than actually is installed & usable to Win98. Someone at this NG

|> once made that discovery the hard way!

|

| I think you made a very important point.

 

It sounds reasonable enough. In truth, I've just passed it along from

the individual who did experience it years ago (but not 10 years). It's

not something I actually would want to test or experience for myself!

Also, I believe there is one MVP who I did see once/twice make a similar

suggestion-- to prepare that (or a similar)setting but refrain from an

immediate reboot. That might have been Harper or Martell or Starbuck!

 

|>>

|>>> ALSO, I believe, you should

|>>> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

|>>> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the

|>>> following change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is

|>>> available...!...

|>>

|>> I believe that the accepted value for the MaxFileCache line is 70%

|>> of your physical ram up to a max value of 524288.

|>> At least that's what I remembered from my earlier game playing days.

|>

|> 70% of usable RAM, keeping in mind 524288 must not be exceeded? I

|> can't quite recall everything I knew about that-- & I may even have

|> done limited experiments! OK, Buffalo-- fine! 70%, then! OK, thanks.

|

| That was a suggestion made about 10yrs ago if you had => 256mb of

| ram, I think. :)

 

:-). Alright. I won't argue against it. For a while I was saying it,

myself. Then, one day, I think I found that a MaxFileCache of 70% might

have caused this machine to use a swap file sooner than otherwise.

(IIRC, adjusting it a tad smaller seemed to correct that.) Also, it was

no cure to the sluggishness Explorer can experience after a

copy/move/delete of a massive number of files & folders.

 

Currently, I see I do have a "MaxFileCache=263200"-- but it is unchecked

in MSConfig. 263200 KB is... hmm, precisely 70% of 376 MB. But it's

unchecked! I suppose I will check it again, if a slew of MVP's clamor

for it, though. But don't go telling on me!

[Guest Buffalo]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:uF9R3Cc5HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

> news:A9GdnWW-fNjoLlHbnZ2dnUVZ_rGrnZ2d@comcast.com

> | PCR wrote:

> |> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

> |> news:W4qdnU6bw9mm-1HbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com

> |>> PCR wrote:

> |>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> |>>> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

> |>>>> <snipped for length concerns>

> |>>>>

> |>>>> However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am still

> |>>>> using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I will

> |>>>> install the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that follows.

> |>>>> <grin>

> |>>>

> |>>> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read).

> |>>> Never let the W98 side use more than 512 KB.

> |>>

> |>> Actually, Win98SE uses 1GB very well. MaxFileCache just limits the

> |>> maximum amount of system memory allocated for caching files but lets

> |>> it use all the ram for its own use. (Win98SE seems to have problems

> |>> when over 1GB of ram is allowed to be recognized).

> |>>

> |>> I believe you already know this, but I was just trying to clarify

> |>> this for others that may have read your post.

> |>

> |> OK. That's right, yea-- 1 MB, & I already knew, uhuh. The MAIN point

> |> I was trying to make is... do not let the MaxFileCache control more

> |> RAM than actually is installed & usable to Win98. Someone at this NG

> |> once made that discovery the hard way!

> |

> | I think you made a very important point.

>

> It sounds reasonable enough. In truth, I've just passed it along from

> the individual who did experience it years ago (but not 10 years). It's

> not something I actually would want to test or experience for myself!

> Also, I believe there is one MVP who I did see once/twice make a similar

> suggestion-- to prepare that (or a similar)setting but refrain from an

> immediate reboot. That might have been Harper or Martell or Starbuck!

>

> |>>

> |>>> ALSO, I believe, you should

> |>>> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

> |>>> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the

> |>>> following change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is

> |>>> available...!...

> |>>

> |>> I believe that the accepted value for the MaxFileCache line is 70%

> |>> of your physical ram up to a max value of 524288.

> |>> At least that's what I remembered from my earlier game playing days.

> |>

> |> 70% of usable RAM, keeping in mind 524288 must not be exceeded? I

> |> can't quite recall everything I knew about that-- & I may even have

> |> done limited experiments! OK, Buffalo-- fine! 70%, then! OK, thanks.

> |

> | That was a suggestion made about 10yrs ago if you had => 256mb of

> | ram, I think. :)

>

> :-). Alright. I won't argue against it. For a while I was saying it,

> myself. Then, one day, I think I found that a MaxFileCache of 70% might

> have caused this machine to use a swap file sooner than otherwise.

> (IIRC, adjusting it a tad smaller seemed to correct that.) Also, it was

> no cure to the sluggishness Explorer can experience after a

> copy/move/delete of a massive number of files & folders.

>

> Currently, I see I do have a "MaxFileCache=263200"-- but it is unchecked

> in MSConfig. 263200 KB is... hmm, precisely 70% of 376 MB. But it's

> unchecked! I suppose I will check it again, if a slew of MVP's clamor

> for it, though. But don't go telling on me!

 

Sounds like fun.

[Guest PCR]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

"Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

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| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:uF9R3Cc5HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

|> news:A9GdnWW-fNjoLlHbnZ2dnUVZ_rGrnZ2d@comcast.com

|> | PCR wrote:

|> |> "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in message

|> |> news:W4qdnU6bw9mm-1HbnZ2dnUVZ_uygnZ2d@comcast.com

|> |>> PCR wrote:

|> |>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> |>>> news:18B8A4C8-4235-402F-8365-E86B0B9F6CB8@microsoft.com

|> |>>>> <snipped for length concerns>

|> |>>>>

|> |>>>> However, PCR I have yet to go back to the 2 gigabytes and am

|> |>>>> still using 512 mb's of ram so when I have a few hours --- I

|> |>>>> will install the 2 gigs of ram and take the adventure that

|> |>>>> follows. <grin>

|> |>>>

|> |>>> I see. Well, that's a little tricky (going by what I've read).

|> |>>> Never let the W98 side use more than 512 KB.

|> |>>

|> |>> Actually, Win98SE uses 1GB very well. MaxFileCache just limits

|> |>> the maximum amount of system memory allocated for caching files

|> |>> but lets it use all the ram for its own use. (Win98SE seems to

|> |>> have problems when over 1GB of ram is allowed to be recognized).

|> |>>

|> |>> I believe you already know this, but I was just trying to clarify

|> |>> this for others that may have read your post.

|> |>

|> |> OK. That's right, yea-- 1 MB, & I already knew, uhuh. The MAIN

|> |> point I was trying to make is... do not let the MaxFileCache

|> |> control more RAM than actually is installed & usable to Win98.

|> |> Someone at this NG once made that discovery the hard way!

|> |

|> | I think you made a very important point.

|>

|> It sounds reasonable enough. In truth, I've just passed it along from

|> the individual who did experience it years ago (but not 10 years).

|> It's not something I actually would want to test or experience for

|> myself! Also, I believe there is one MVP who I did see once/twice

|> make a similar suggestion-- to prepare that (or a similar)setting

|> but refrain from an immediate reboot. That might have been Harper or

|> Martell or Starbuck!

|>

|> |>>

|> |>>> ALSO, I believe, you should

|> |>>> NOT boot to Win98 with more RAM allowed to the MaxFileCache than

|> |>>> actually is installed in the computer. THEREFORE, make the

|> |>>> following change-- but do not reboot until at least 512 KB is

|> |>>> available...!...

|> |>>

|> |>> I believe that the accepted value for the MaxFileCache line is

|> |>> 70% of your physical ram up to a max value of 524288.

|> |>> At least that's what I remembered from my earlier game playing

|> |>> days.

|> |>

|> |> 70% of usable RAM, keeping in mind 524288 must not be exceeded? I

|> |> can't quite recall everything I knew about that-- & I may even

|> |> have done limited experiments! OK, Buffalo-- fine! 70%, then! OK,

|> |> thanks.

|> |

|> | That was a suggestion made about 10yrs ago if you had => 256mb of

|> | ram, I think. :)

|>

|> :-). Alright. I won't argue against it. For a while I was saying it,

|> myself. Then, one day, I think I found that a MaxFileCache of 70%

|> might have caused this machine to use a swap file sooner than

|> otherwise. (IIRC, adjusting it a tad smaller seemed to correct

|> that.) Also, it was no cure to the sluggishness Explorer can

|> experience after a copy/move/delete of a massive number of files &

|> folders.

|>

|> Currently, I see I do have a "MaxFileCache=263200"-- but it is

|> unchecked in MSConfig. 263200 KB is... hmm, precisely 70% of 376 MB.

|> But it's unchecked! I suppose I will check it again, if a slew of

|> MVP's clamor for it, though. But don't go telling on me!

|

| Sounds like fun.

 

Huh? No, no! It's checked, it's checked! And I'm living in Saskatchewan

now!

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Dan]

Re: Clean install of 98SE after XP Pro. installed

 

I still have the 512 mb's installed. I will install the rest when I am ready

for adventure again. <grin>

 

"Buffalo" wrote:

> Dan wrote:

> > I just wrote it in the other thread but I will mention it here also.

> > I wanted to give everyone my thanks for helping me with Windows 98

> > Second Edition.

>

> So, did you ever install the other 1.5GB of ram?

> Hopefully you did and it's working well.

> I run a dual boot 98-2000 with 1 GB of ram and I only had to add the line to

> the [vcache] section of System.ini.

> One GB of ram runs just great on both systems.

>

>

>