Guest Fazal Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the trouble of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate it, it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on another computer. What does this mean...all the money I paid for the CD is down the drain??? just because its been activated once before? Can someone please help me out?? Thanks Fazal
Guest Patrick Keenan Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Re: Product Activation "Fazal" <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B316B5FC-73DC-4F49-AD2A-E4B29395BF69@microsoft.com... > Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the > trouble > of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a > pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the > various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate > it, > it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be > used for activation. Did you buy this as shrinkwrapped in a store, or online, or....? > Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only > used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on > another computer. Is it still installed on that other PC? An XP install key, with the exception noted below, can be active on only one system. If you want to installl on another system, you need another license. > What does this mean...all the money I paid for the CD is > down the drain??? If it's still in use on the other system, no, that's what you paid for. Except in the case of the Volume License Agreement, which starts in quantities of five and only applies to XP Pro, it's one key - one system. > just because its been activated once before? Can someone > please help me out?? If you've removed it from the other machine, go through online Activation and when it fails you'll be offered a phone number. Call the number and explain that you've moved the license (this may only work with retail, not OEM discs) and ask for a new activation code. HTH -pk > Thanks > > Fazal
Guest Peter Foldes Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Re: Product Activation You will need to purchase another XP License.. You can install XP only on one(1) computer as per the Eula -- Peter Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. "Fazal" <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B316B5FC-73DC-4F49-AD2A-E4B29395BF69@microsoft.com... > Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the trouble > of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a > pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the > various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate it, > it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be > used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only > used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on > another computer. What does this mean...all the money I paid for the CD is > down the drain??? just because its been activated once before? Can someone > please help me out?? > > Thanks > > Fazal
Guest BinaryConverted Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Re: Product Activation Yes - if the CD has already being used and activated, you need another CD or License. How to obtain additional licenses for Windows XP: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/814175/en-us Hope this can provide help. -- Forums - Aren''t they wonderful? "Peter Foldes" wrote: > You will need to purchase another XP License.. You can install XP only on one(1) computer as per the Eula > > -- > Peter > > Please Reply to Newsgroup for the benefit of others > Requests for assistance by email can not and will not be acknowledged. > > "Fazal" <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B316B5FC-73DC-4F49-AD2A-E4B29395BF69@microsoft.com... > > Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the trouble > > of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a > > pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the > > various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate it, > > it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be > > used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only > > used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on > > another computer. What does this mean...all the money I paid for the CD is > > down the drain??? just because its been activated once before? Can someone > > please help me out?? > > > > Thanks > > > > Fazal >
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Re: Product Activation On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:16:00 -0700, Fazal <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the trouble > of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a > pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the > various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate it, > it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be > used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only > used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on > another computer. The rule is quite clear. It's one copy (or one license) for each computer. There's nothing new here. This is exactly the same rule that's been in effect on every version of Windows starting with Windows 3.1. The only thing new with XP is that there's now an enforcement mechanism. If yours is a retail version, not an OEM one, you can buy extra licenses (see http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/addlic.asp). But it's not generally a good deal. The problem is that Microsoft sells additional licenses at only a small savings over the list price. You're almost certainly better off just buying a complete second copy from a discount source. > What does this mean...all the money I paid for the CD is > down the drain??? just because its been activated once before? Can someone > please help me out?? -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Alias Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Re: Product Activation Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:16:00 -0700, Fazal > <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the trouble >> of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a >> pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the >> various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate it, >> it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be >> used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only >> used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on >> another computer. > > > The rule is quite clear. It's one copy (or one license) for each > computer. Yada, yada, yada, we all know the one license of Windows per computer scam. We also know the EULA license scam. The EULA was written by a team of lawyers whose only purpose was to state up what you *can't* do with Windows. GPL, OTOH, was written by a human being to tell you what you *can" do with your OS. As old Abe was purported to have said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time", even though MS would love to do just that. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Alias Posted August 11, 2007 Posted August 11, 2007 Re: Product Activation Peter Foldes wrote: > You will need to purchase another XP License.. You can install XP only on one(1) computer as per the Eula > Correction: MAY install XP only on one computer. One *can* install XP on as many computers as one likes if it's a cracked version and you can even get all the security updates. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I guess it's alright as long as I don't get caught! -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message news:Oh9J2WE3HHA.5240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Ken Blake, MVP wrote: | > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:16:00 -0700, Fazal | > <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: | > | >> Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the trouble | >> of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using a | >> pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of the | >> various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to activate it, | >> it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can be | >> used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only | >> used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows on | >> another computer. | > | > | > The rule is quite clear. It's one copy (or one license) for each | > computer. | | Yada, yada, yada, we all know the one license of Windows per computer | scam. We also know the EULA license scam. | | The EULA was written by a team of lawyers whose only purpose was to | state up what you *can't* do with Windows. GPL, OTOH, was written by a | human being to tell you what you *can" do with your OS. | | As old Abe was purported to have said, "You can fool some of the people | all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot | fool all of the people all of the time", even though MS would love to do | just that. | | -- | Alias | To email me, remove shoes
Guest BinaryConverted Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation SURE, but there are many risks of 'cracking' Windows XP from the Internet. I once tried to crack 'SpeedUpMyPC 2.0' full version, I succeeded (sorry to the people at Uniblue) but days later it stopped working. However, did the same thing with "Keyfinder Thing 3" and instead, it damaged my computer instead. Plus, it did NOT find the correct product keys, it was slow, and it should have detected new product keys. So you can crack software all you like, but if you want the most *secure* and *reliable* software, get a new product key or license, otherwise pay the price and get a new computer or OS. John. -- Forums - Aren''t they wonderful? "Curt Christianson" wrote: > The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I guess > it's alright as long as I don't get caught! > > -- > HTH, > Curt > > Windows Support Center > http://www.aumha.org > Practically Nerded,... > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm > > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote in message > news:Oh9J2WE3HHA.5240@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > | Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > | > On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:16:00 -0700, Fazal > | > <Fazal@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > | > > | >> Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through the > trouble > | >> of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was originally using > a > | >> pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' and take advantage of > the > | >> various benefits (SP2, security updates, etc.) Now that I try to > activate it, > | >> it says my product key has already exhausted the number of times it can > be > | >> used for activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive > only > | >> used this CD once before and that was to install and activate windows > on > | >> another computer. > | > > | > > | > The rule is quite clear. It's one copy (or one license) for each > | > computer. > | > | Yada, yada, yada, we all know the one license of Windows per computer > | scam. We also know the EULA license scam. > | > | The EULA was written by a team of lawyers whose only purpose was to > | state up what you *can't* do with Windows. GPL, OTOH, was written by a > | human being to tell you what you *can" do with your OS. > | > | As old Abe was purported to have said, "You can fool some of the people > | all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot > | fool all of the people all of the time", even though MS would love to do > | just that. > | > | -- > | Alias > | To email me, remove shoes > > >
Guest Alias Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation BinaryConverted wrote: > SURE, but there are many risks of 'cracking' Windows XP from the Internet. I > once tried to crack 'SpeedUpMyPC 2.0' full version, I succeeded (sorry to the > people at Uniblue) but days later it stopped working. > > However, did the same thing with "Keyfinder Thing 3" and instead, it damaged > my computer instead. Plus, it did NOT find the correct product keys, it was > slow, and it should have detected new product keys. > > So you can crack software all you like, but if you want the most *secure* > and *reliable* software, get a new product key or license, otherwise pay the > price and get a new computer or OS. > > John. I've seen cracked copies of XP Pro that worked better than the "genuine" XP. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Alias Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Curt Christianson wrote: > The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I guess > it's alright as long as I don't get caught! > Um, Redmond's EULA is *not* the Law. It's a document that high powered lawyers have drawn up which tell you what you *can't* do with Windows. Redmond has yet to go to court to legalize the scam because it's unconscionable and they know it. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Alias wrote: > Curt Christianson wrote: >> The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I >> guess it's alright as long as I don't get caught! >> > > Um, Redmond's EULA is *not* the Law. Yes, we know. You're the *ONLY* one who seems to think someone is claiming otherwise. From whence does this delusion stem? > It's a document that high powered > lawyers have drawn up which tell you what you *can't* do with Windows. A freely entered into *contract*, in simpl terms. > Redmond has yet to go to court to legalize the scam because it's > unconscionable and they know it. > You clearly don't have a clue, as you've repeatedly demonstrated, how contract law works. It is up to the supposedly aggrieved party (someone like yourself, say, who claims the contract is unfair) to take Microsoft to court and prove the contract unconscionable. No one has ever been able to do so, to date. Even when the US' Department of Justice and several state's Attorney's General were trying to sue Microsoft for monopolistic practices, not a single one of those highly politically-motivated lawyers even suggested that there might be anything wrong with the EULA? Why do you suppose that might be? You call the EULA unconscionable; you prove it! Or just shut up about it. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Alias Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Curt Christianson wrote: >>> The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I >>> guess it's alright as long as I don't get caught! >>> >> >> Um, Redmond's EULA is *not* the Law. > > > Yes, we know. You're the *ONLY* one who seems to think someone is > claiming otherwise. From whence does this delusion stem? Read Curt's post. > > >> It's a document that high powered lawyers have drawn up which tell you >> what you *can't* do with Windows. > > > A freely entered into *contract*, in simpl terms. No, a document whose only purpose is to state what you can't do with what you've bought. >> Redmond has yet to go to court to legalize the scam because it's >> unconscionable and they know it. >> > > > You clearly don't have a clue, as you've repeatedly demonstrated, > how contract law works. It is up to the supposedly aggrieved party > (someone like yourself, say, who claims the contract is unfair) to take > Microsoft to court and prove the contract unconscionable. No one has > ever been able to do so, to date. Even when the US' Department of > Justice and several state's Attorney's General were trying to sue > Microsoft for monopolistic practices, not a single one of those highly > politically-motivated lawyers even suggested that there might be > anything wrong with the EULA? Why do you suppose that might be? Anti trust suits and EULA scams are not the same thing, Bruce. > You call the EULA unconscionable; you prove it! Or just shut up > about it. The fact that they don't want you to install it on more than one computer for starters. The fact that ALL stores advertise that they sell software and, in reality, are selling licenses to use the software, aka bait and switch, is another. WPA & WGA are some more. Need I go on? Now, don't trot out the "they are protecting their intellectual property" trip because, as you well know, MS made BILLIONS and BILLIONS with Win 9x, NT and W2K that didn't come with that baggage. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Alias wrote: > Bruce Chambers wrote: >> Alias wrote: >>> Curt Christianson wrote: >>>> The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I >>>> guess it's alright as long as I don't get caught! >>>> >>> >>> Um, Redmond's EULA is *not* the Law. >> >> >> Yes, we know. You're the *ONLY* one who seems to think someone is >> claiming otherwise. From whence does this delusion stem? > > Read Curt's post. > And at no time did he say that the EULA is a law. Perhaps you should have read it, instead of trotting out one of your knee-jerk strawman "arguments?" >> >> >>> It's a document that high powered lawyers have drawn up which tell >>> you what you *can't* do with Windows. >> >> >> A freely entered into *contract*, in simpl terms. > > No, a document whose only purpose is to state what you can't do with > what you've bought. > What's the weather like, there in the state of denial? >>> Redmond has yet to go to court to legalize the scam because it's >>> unconscionable and they know it. >>> >> >> >> You clearly don't have a clue, as you've repeatedly demonstrated, >> how contract law works. It is up to the supposedly aggrieved party >> (someone like yourself, say, who claims the contract is unfair) to >> take Microsoft to court and prove the contract unconscionable. No one >> has ever been able to do so, to date. Even when the US' Department of >> Justice and several state's Attorney's General were trying to sue >> Microsoft for monopolistic practices, not a single one of those highly >> politically-motivated lawyers even suggested that there might be >> anything wrong with the EULA? Why do you suppose that might be? > > Anti trust suits and EULA scams are not the same thing, Bruce. > >> You call the EULA unconscionable; you prove it! Or just shut up >> about it. > > The fact that they don't want you to install it on more than one > computer for starters. The fact that ALL stores advertise that they sell > software and, in reality, are selling licenses to use the software, aka > bait and switch, is another. WPA & WGA are some more. Need I go on? > No, you've proven quite thoroughly that you haven't a rational argument and are only trying to change the subject by raising irrelevancies. You've yet to demonstrate how any of this is "unconscionable," or even how Microsoft might be responsible for other vendors advertising copy. > Now, don't trot out the "they are protecting their intellectual > property" trip because, as you well know, MS made BILLIONS and BILLIONS > with Win 9x, NT and W2K that didn't come with that baggage. > On the contrary, The EULAs for all of those products are pretty much identical when it comes to the number of installations permitted. If you'd ever read one, you'd know that. Why weren't those EULAs "unconscionable?" Why weren't you protesting them? Oh, I know! Microsoft finally took steps to enforce their long-standing licensing terms, and now you're put out because you no longer can easily install a single license on multiple computers. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest GHalleck Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: > >> Curt Christianson wrote: >> >>> The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I >>> guess it's alright as long as I don't get caught! >>> >> >> Um, Redmond's EULA is *not* the Law. > > > > Yes, we know. You're the *ONLY* one who seems to think someone is > claiming otherwise. From whence does this delusion stem? > > >> It's a document that high powered lawyers have drawn up which tell you >> what you *can't* do with Windows. > > > > A freely entered into *contract*, in simpl terms. > > >> Redmond has yet to go to court to legalize the scam because it's >> unconscionable and they know it. >> > > > You clearly don't have a clue, as you've repeatedly demonstrated, > how contract law works. It is up to the supposedly aggrieved party > (someone like yourself, say, who claims the contract is unfair) to take > Microsoft to court and prove the contract unconscionable. No one has > ever been able to do so, to date. Even when the US' Department of > Justice and several state's Attorney's General were trying to sue > Microsoft for monopolistic practices, not a single one of those highly > politically-motivated lawyers even suggested that there might be > anything wrong with the EULA? Why do you suppose that might be? > > You call the EULA unconscionable; you prove it! Or just shut up > about it. > > To the contrary, in copyright infringement and licensing cases, the "aggrieved" party, or plaintiff, is normally the copyright/license holder and not the licensee. It makes sense since the licensee is the party who has infringed or violated the agreement. One of these days, Microsoft is going to have to file a civil case on its own (i.e., not pursuing a criminal action) or inadvertantly become a defendant in an action whereby someone claims that Microsoft is not actively enforcing its ownerships of intellectual property. Is that the situaion that you are describing? It would be very interesting to see what the majority of a jury thinks and decides in such a civil action.
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Fazal wrote: > Ok I think Im alittle confused here. I specifically went through > the trouble of resintalling windows from an original CD (as I was > originally using a pirated copy) so I could use windows 'legally' > and take advantage of the various benefits (SP2, security updates, > etc.) Now that I try to activate it, it says my product key has > already exhausted the number of times it can be used for > activation. Im practically using a brand new CD, I think Ive only > used this CD once before and that was to install and activate > windows on another computer. What does this mean...all the money I > paid for the CD is down the drain??? just because its been > activated once before? Can someone please help me out?? You *may* be confused. You purchased/obtained a Windows XP CD... (original as you put it.) How many licenses for this CD did you purchase? -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation GHalleck wrote: > > > > To the contrary, in copyright infringement and licensing cases, the > "aggrieved" party, or plaintiff, is normally the copyright/license > holder and not the licensee. It makes sense since the licensee is the > party who has infringed or violated the agreement. In copyright/licensing infringement cases, you'd be correct. But it's easy to mix oranges and apples here, which is what I think you've done. We're (or, rather, I am, at least) discussing a contract matter, which is something different. The party who objects to the terms of the contract, and who wants to be relieved from having to abide by those terms, would normally be the one to initiate the action. (Of course, either party would be free to pursue satisfaction in the event of any alleged breach of the contract, as well.) > One of these days, > Microsoft is going to have to file a civil case on its own (i.e., not > pursuing a criminal action) or inadvertantly become a defendant in an > action whereby someone claims that Microsoft is not actively enforcing > its ownerships of intellectual property. Are they not already actively "enforcing their ownership" by initiating the WPA requirement? And for Microsoft to pursue civil action against an individual, no matter how "correct" or "justified" they may or may not be, would be a public relations nightmare. This, I think, is one of the reasons why casual piracy has become almost considered an "entitlement" by so many, and why Microsoft finally resorted to technical means of safe-guarding their licenses. Granted, Microsoft has "come to this party" very late in the day. A great many other software manufacturers have long used more stringent technical measures (security dongles, having to have the CD in the drive for the application/game to work, registration codes that must be obtained by telephone, etc.) to enforce their licensing terms. > Is that the situaion that you > are describing? No, I don't think so. > It would be very interesting to see what the majority > of a jury thinks and decides in such a civil action. I've little doubt that a jury of average people would side with the individual against the "big, rich, evil" corporation, regardless of the merits of the case. Witness the case where McDonalds was forced to compensate the woman who stupidly spilled hot coffee on herself, and then claimed that McDonalds failed to warn her that such an act might hurt. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Alias Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Bruce Chambers wrote: > GHalleck wrote: >> >> >> >> To the contrary, in copyright infringement and licensing cases, the >> "aggrieved" party, or plaintiff, is normally the copyright/license >> holder and not the licensee. It makes sense since the licensee is the >> party who has infringed or violated the agreement. > > > In copyright/licensing infringement cases, you'd be correct. But > it's easy to mix oranges and apples here, which is what I think you've > done. We're (or, rather, I am, at least) discussing a contract matter, > which is something different. The party who objects to the terms of the > contract, and who wants to be relieved from having to abide by those > terms, would normally be the one to initiate the action. (Of course, > either party would be free to pursue satisfaction in the event of any > alleged breach of the contract, as well.) > > >> One of these days, >> Microsoft is going to have to file a civil case on its own (i.e., not >> pursuing a criminal action) or inadvertantly become a defendant in an >> action whereby someone claims that Microsoft is not actively enforcing >> its ownerships of intellectual property. > > > Are they not already actively "enforcing their ownership" by > initiating the WPA requirement? And for Microsoft to pursue civil > action against an individual, no matter how "correct" or "justified" > they may or may not be, would be a public relations nightmare. This, I > think, is one of the reasons why casual piracy has become almost > considered an "entitlement" by so many, and why Microsoft finally > resorted to technical means of safe-guarding their licenses. Granted, > Microsoft has "come to this party" very late in the day. A great many > other software manufacturers have long used more stringent technical > measures (security dongles, having to have the CD in the drive for the > application/game to work, registration codes that must be obtained by > telephone, etc.) to enforce their licensing terms. > > >> Is that the situaion that you >> are describing? > > > No, I don't think so. > > >> It would be very interesting to see what the majority >> of a jury thinks and decides in such a civil action. > > > I've little doubt that a jury of average people would side with the > individual against the "big, rich, evil" corporation, regardless of the > merits of the case. Witness the case where McDonalds was forced to > compensate the woman who stupidly spilled hot coffee on herself, and > then claimed that McDonalds failed to warn her that such an act might hurt. > > Translation: MS is scared sh¡tless to take anyone to court for violating their EULA so they resort to a flawed, ineffective technical control that not only doesn't stop piracy but serves to get more and more people to look at Open Source. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Alias Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Product Activation Bruce Chambers wrote: > Alias wrote: >> Bruce Chambers wrote: >>> Alias wrote: >>>> Curt Christianson wrote: >>>>> The "law" says it's illegal to go 100 mph in a 30 mph zone...but I >>>>> guess it's alright as long as I don't get caught! >>>>> >>>> >>>> Um, Redmond's EULA is *not* the Law. >>> >>> >>> Yes, we know. You're the *ONLY* one who seems to think someone >>> is claiming otherwise. From whence does this delusion stem? >> >> Read Curt's post. >> > > And at no time did he say that the EULA is a law. Perhaps you > should have read it, instead of trotting out one of your knee-jerk > strawman "arguments?" He compared it to breaking the speeding *law*. > > >>> >>> >>>> It's a document that high powered lawyers have drawn up which tell >>>> you what you *can't* do with Windows. >>> >>> >>> A freely entered into *contract*, in simpl terms. >> >> No, a document whose only purpose is to state what you can't do with >> what you've bought. >> > > What's the weather like, there in the state of denial? Dodging the issue does not a good argument make and shooting the messenger doesn't either. > >>>> Redmond has yet to go to court to legalize the scam because it's >>>> unconscionable and they know it. >>>> >>> >>> >>> You clearly don't have a clue, as you've repeatedly demonstrated, >>> how contract law works. It is up to the supposedly aggrieved party >>> (someone like yourself, say, who claims the contract is unfair) to >>> take Microsoft to court and prove the contract unconscionable. No >>> one has ever been able to do so, to date. Even when the US' >>> Department of Justice and several state's Attorney's General were >>> trying to sue Microsoft for monopolistic practices, not a single one >>> of those highly politically-motivated lawyers even suggested that >>> there might be anything wrong with the EULA? Why do you suppose that >>> might be? >> >> Anti trust suits and EULA scams are not the same thing, Bruce. >> >>> You call the EULA unconscionable; you prove it! Or just shut up >>> about it. I don't need to prove it and MS is scared sh¡tless to try and show it isn't by taking *anyone* to court for violating their EULA. Instead, they inconvenience paying customers with their anti piracy crap. >> >> The fact that they don't want you to install it on more than one >> computer for starters. The fact that ALL stores advertise that they >> sell software and, in reality, are selling licenses to use the >> software, aka bait and switch, is another. WPA & WGA are some more. >> Need I go on? >> > > > No, you've proven quite thoroughly that you haven't a rational > argument and are only trying to change the subject by raising > irrelevancies. They may be irrelevant to you but not to many people who can think for themselves. You've just bought into the scam hook, line and sinker and think it's just the normal way to do things. > You've yet to demonstrate how any of this is > "unconscionable," or even how Microsoft might be responsible for other > vendors advertising copy. All they would have to do is insist on Truth in Advertising for their MICROSOFT products. And they *can* insist but they prefer to keep the people in the dark as to what they are really selling because if the masses found out what they are actually doing, they would have second thoughts about continuing with Windows. > > >> Now, don't trot out the "they are protecting their intellectual >> property" trip because, as you well know, MS made BILLIONS and >> BILLIONS with Win 9x, NT and W2K that didn't come with that baggage. >> > > On the contrary, The EULAs for all of those products are pretty much > identical when it comes to the number of installations permitted. If > you'd ever read one, you'd know that. Why weren't those EULAs > "unconscionable?" Why weren't you protesting them? Oh, I know! > Microsoft finally took steps to enforce their long-standing licensing > terms, and now you're put out because you no longer can easily install a > single license on multiple computers. Again, moron, they made BILLIONS AND BILLIONS without a crappy anti piracy program that is flawed and cracked before it even comes out, and, in so doing, they cornered the PC Desktop market. IOW, if someone wants to install XP or Vista on multiple computers, all they have to do is call their friendly pirate who will gladly sell it to them cheaper than MS ever will. Think of MS as a drug pusher. Once they get everyone hooked, they really start to charge the sh¡t out of them. Get the unconscionable part yet or are you too freaking strung out? -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest dobey Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: Product Activation "BinaryConverted" <chicken989-chickens@yahoo.com.au.(myyahoodisposableaddress)> wrote in message news:4A18B171-F813-441C-BD4F-42C4025F25FA@microsoft.com... > SURE, but there are many risks of 'cracking' Windows XP from the Internet. > I > once tried to crack 'SpeedUpMyPC 2.0' full version, I succeeded (sorry to > the > people at Uniblue) but days later it stopped working. > > However, did the same thing with "Keyfinder Thing 3" and instead, it > damaged > my computer instead. Plus, it did NOT find the correct product keys, it > was > slow, and it should have detected new product keys. > > So you can crack software all you like, but if you want the most *secure* > and *reliable* software, get a new product key or license, otherwise pay > the > price and get a new computer or OS. > > John. > -- > Forums - Aren''t they wonderful? You must have been very unlucky then.
Guest BinaryConverted Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Product Activation WHAT?!?!?!?! I use AVG Free Edition, Windows Defender and SUPERAntispyware, and it didn't find ANY virus. Anyone who believes cracking is good must have the lowest I.Q about computer security. -- A story of success always has a beginning. "dobey" wrote: > > "BinaryConverted" > <chicken989-chickens@yahoo.com.au.(myyahoodisposableaddress)> wrote in > message news:4A18B171-F813-441C-BD4F-42C4025F25FA@microsoft.com... > > SURE, but there are many risks of 'cracking' Windows XP from the Internet. > > I > > once tried to crack 'SpeedUpMyPC 2.0' full version, I succeeded (sorry to > > the > > people at Uniblue) but days later it stopped working. > > > > However, did the same thing with "Keyfinder Thing 3" and instead, it > > damaged > > my computer instead. Plus, it did NOT find the correct product keys, it > > was > > slow, and it should have detected new product keys. > > > > So you can crack software all you like, but if you want the most *secure* > > and *reliable* software, get a new product key or license, otherwise pay > > the > > price and get a new computer or OS. > > > > John. > > -- > > Forums - Aren''t they wonderful? > > You must have been very unlucky then. > > >
Guest dobey Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Product Activation "BinaryConverted" <chicken989-chickens@yahoo.com.au.(myyahoodisposableaddress)> wrote in message news:03AF28D3-2350-4515-BE4A-BB10F6FEC6C7@microsoft.com... > WHAT?!?!?!?! > > I use AVG Free Edition, Windows Defender and SUPERAntispyware, and it > didn't > find ANY virus. > Two of those aren't anti-virus products. Anyone with any knowledge of security will tell you one anti-virus program won't cover all viruses. They would also say don't use Windows, but that's another story... > Anyone who believes cracking is good must have the lowest I.Q about computer > security. So explains why you did it then. > A story of success always has a beginning. So does a story of defeat. How inane can you be to have such a completely meaningless sig. > > > "dobey" wrote: > >> >> "BinaryConverted" >> <chicken989-chickens@yahoo.com.au.(myyahoodisposableaddress)> wrote in >> message news:4A18B171-F813-441C-BD4F-42C4025F25FA@microsoft.com... >> > SURE, but there are many risks of 'cracking' Windows XP from the >> > Internet. >> > I >> > once tried to crack 'SpeedUpMyPC 2.0' full version, I succeeded (sorry >> > to >> > the >> > people at Uniblue) but days later it stopped working. >> > >> > However, did the same thing with "Keyfinder Thing 3" and instead, it >> > damaged >> > my computer instead. Plus, it did NOT find the correct product keys, it >> > was >> > slow, and it should have detected new product keys. >> > >> > So you can crack software all you like, but if you want the most >> > *secure* >> > and *reliable* software, get a new product key or license, otherwise >> > pay >> > the >> > price and get a new computer or OS. >> > >> > John. >> > -- >> > Forums - Aren''t they wonderful? >> >> You must have been very unlucky then. >> >> >>
Guest BinaryConverted Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Product Activation Even the average Joe should know what I am saying. You can learn this the hard way or the easy way! And besides, I should have said this earlier, Windows Defender is ANTISPYWARE *NOT* antivirus! And what crap is this??: > So does a story of defeat. How inane can you be to have such a completely > meaningless sig. I'm going to get right to the point: Get a new license for Windows XP. -- A story of success always has a beginning. "dobey" wrote: > > "BinaryConverted" > <chicken989-chickens@yahoo.com.au.(myyahoodisposableaddress)> wrote in > message news:03AF28D3-2350-4515-BE4A-BB10F6FEC6C7@microsoft.com... > > WHAT?!?!?!?! > > > > I use AVG Free Edition, Windows Defender and SUPERAntispyware, and it > > didn't > > find ANY virus. > > > > Two of those aren't anti-virus products. Anyone with any knowledge of > security will tell you one anti-virus program won't cover all viruses. > > They would also say don't use Windows, but that's another story... > > > Anyone who believes cracking is good must have the lowest I.Q about > computer > > security. > > So explains why you did it then. > > > > A story of success always has a beginning. > > So does a story of defeat. How inane can you be to have such a completely > meaningless sig. > > > > > > > > "dobey" wrote: > > > >> > >> "BinaryConverted" > >> <chicken989-chickens@yahoo.com.au.(myyahoodisposableaddress)> wrote in > >> message news:4A18B171-F813-441C-BD4F-42C4025F25FA@microsoft.com... > >> > SURE, but there are many risks of 'cracking' Windows XP from the > >> > Internet. > >> > I > >> > once tried to crack 'SpeedUpMyPC 2.0' full version, I succeeded (sorry > >> > to > >> > the > >> > people at Uniblue) but days later it stopped working. > >> > > >> > However, did the same thing with "Keyfinder Thing 3" and instead, it > >> > damaged > >> > my computer instead. Plus, it did NOT find the correct product keys, it > >> > was > >> > slow, and it should have detected new product keys. > >> > > >> > So you can crack software all you like, but if you want the most > >> > *secure* > >> > and *reliable* software, get a new product key or license, otherwise > >> > pay > >> > the > >> > price and get a new computer or OS. > >> > > >> > John. > >> > -- > >> > Forums - Aren''t they wonderful? > >> > >> You must have been very unlucky then. > >> > >> > >> > > > >
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