Guest George Neuner Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Hi all, I've got a Thinkpad running XPpro that won't perform a boot time directory consolidation defrag under Diskeeper 9.0.532 (Yeah, I know I should upgrade to v10 but I've heard some horror stories about it). When I run the boot time defrag, it *appears* to work saying it is moving the directories (MFT and page file are already contiguous) ... but when the computer reboots, XP says it encountered a "problem" and gives me the boot menu. I choose normal start and XP runs Chkdsk - which finds no problems. After I log in, I go into Diskeeper and analyze the disk to find that absolutely nothing has changed - all the directories are, AFAICT, exactly where they were before the defrag ran. This behavior is repeatable. Does the Thinkpad have some kind of lockout (BIOS maybe) to prevent changes to the disk when the OS isn't running? I can't find anything to suggest that. Any other ideas? Thanks, George -- for email reply remove "/" from address
Guest Bob Harris Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Diskeeper boot time defrag? I have version 8, which seems to work fine under XP, so I assume that version 9 should, too. A couple of thoughts: 1. I have noticed that on my work PC with XP Pro, some directories are never moved. Those are "owned" by the primary system administrator (IT person), who built that PC. Even though I am am a local administrator, I can not seem to touch files that he owns, and that is probably for a good reason. 2. At home I do not have a similar problem, maybey because I built the PC myself and am the primary administrator, or maybe because XP Home edition is less secure. 3. I am slightly concerned about your XP wanting to run CHKDSK during the reboot. Unless you (or IBM/Levona) have the PC set to always do a CHKDSK, that is a sign of XP sensing something wrong. However, if the PC always does a CHKDSK on reboot, then that might be interferring with DISKEEPER. I have had DISKEEPER refuse to defrag or boot-defrag, if it sensed that the disk was dirty. "dirty" means that CHKDSK is set to run by the system. 4. I have had one other odd behavior with DISKEEPER. On some external drives, it refuses to do a boot-time defrag, but on others it works fine. That might be an issue with the precise USB controller on the external drive. I have never had that problem with internal drives, either ATA/IDE or SATA. "George Neuner" <gneuner2/@comcast.net> wrote in message news:hiptb3tj0tvfn6mgn31eqatcqkjuf71dio@4ax.com... > Hi all, > > I've got a Thinkpad running XPpro that won't perform a boot time > directory consolidation defrag under Diskeeper 9.0.532 (Yeah, I know I > should upgrade to v10 but I've heard some horror stories about it). > > When I run the boot time defrag, it *appears* to work saying it is > moving the directories (MFT and page file are already contiguous) ... > but when the computer reboots, XP says it encountered a "problem" and > gives me the boot menu. I choose normal start and XP runs Chkdsk - > which finds no problems. After I log in, I go into Diskeeper and > analyze the disk to find that absolutely nothing has changed - all the > directories are, AFAICT, exactly where they were before the defrag > ran. > > This behavior is repeatable. Does the Thinkpad have some kind of > lockout (BIOS maybe) to prevent changes to the disk when the OS isn't > running? I can't find anything to suggest that. > > Any other ideas? > > Thanks, > George > -- > for email reply remove "/" from address
Guest Gerry Posted August 12, 2007 Posted August 12, 2007 Re: Diskeeper boot time defrag? George Have you tried running Disk CleanUp in each User Profile before defragmenting? -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ George Neuner wrote: > Hi all, > > I've got a Thinkpad running XPpro that won't perform a boot time > directory consolidation defrag under Diskeeper 9.0.532 (Yeah, I know I > should upgrade to v10 but I've heard some horror stories about it). > > When I run the boot time defrag, it *appears* to work saying it is > moving the directories (MFT and page file are already contiguous) ... > but when the computer reboots, XP says it encountered a "problem" and > gives me the boot menu. I choose normal start and XP runs Chkdsk - > which finds no problems. After I log in, I go into Diskeeper and > analyze the disk to find that absolutely nothing has changed - all the > directories are, AFAICT, exactly where they were before the defrag > ran. > > This behavior is repeatable. Does the Thinkpad have some kind of > lockout (BIOS maybe) to prevent changes to the disk when the OS isn't > running? I can't find anything to suggest that. > > Any other ideas? > > Thanks, > George
Guest Rock Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: Diskeeper boot time defrag? "George Neuner" <gneuner2/@comcast.net> wrote > Hi all, > > I've got a Thinkpad running XPpro that won't perform a boot time > directory consolidation defrag under Diskeeper 9.0.532 (Yeah, I know I > should upgrade to v10 but I've heard some horror stories about it). > > When I run the boot time defrag, it *appears* to work saying it is > moving the directories (MFT and page file are already contiguous) ... > but when the computer reboots, XP says it encountered a "problem" and > gives me the boot menu. I choose normal start and XP runs Chkdsk - > which finds no problems. After I log in, I go into Diskeeper and > analyze the disk to find that absolutely nothing has changed - all the > directories are, AFAICT, exactly where they were before the defrag > ran. > > This behavior is repeatable. Does the Thinkpad have some kind of > lockout (BIOS maybe) to prevent changes to the disk when the OS isn't > running? I can't find anything to suggest that. > > Any other ideas? Another option is check with Diskeeper tech support. -- Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
Guest George Neuner Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: Diskeeper boot time defrag? On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 08:14:45 -0500, "Bob Harris" <rharris270[sPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote: >"George Neuner" <gneuner2/@comcast.net> wrote in message >news:hiptb3tj0tvfn6mgn31eqatcqkjuf71dio@4ax.com... >> Hi all, >> >> I've got a Thinkpad running XPpro that won't perform a boot time >> directory consolidation defrag under Diskeeper 9.0.532 (Yeah, I know I >> should upgrade to v10 but I've heard some horror stories about it). >> >> When I run the boot time defrag, it *appears* to work saying it is >> moving the directories (MFT and page file are already contiguous) ... >> but when the computer reboots, XP says it encountered a "problem" and >> gives me the boot menu. I choose normal start and XP runs Chkdsk - >> which finds no problems. After I log in, I go into Diskeeper and >> analyze the disk to find that absolutely nothing has changed - all the >> directories are, AFAICT, exactly where they were before the defrag >> ran. >> >> This behavior is repeatable. Does the Thinkpad have some kind of >> lockout (BIOS maybe) to prevent changes to the disk when the OS isn't >> running? I can't find anything to suggest that. >> >> Any other ideas? >1. I have noticed that on my work PC with XP Pro, some directories are >never moved. Those are "owned" by the primary system administrator (IT >person), who built that PC. Even though I am am a local administrator, I >can not seem to touch files that he owns, and that is probably for a good >reason. Interesting. That may, in fact, be the problem as this is a business laptop. But Diskeeper was provided with it so I don't understand why it wouldn't have been set up to run correctly when I do it as a local admin. I have resisted some software upgrades because the current stuff is stable and it seems like every time IT touches the machine something breaks. >3. I am slightly concerned about your XP wanting to run CHKDSK during the >reboot. Unless you (or IBM/Levona) have the PC set to always do a CHKDSK, >that is a sign of XP sensing something wrong. However, if the PC always >does a CHKDSK on reboot, then that might be interferring with DISKEEPER. I >have had DISKEEPER refuse to defrag or boot-defrag, if it sensed that the >disk was dirty. "dirty" means that CHKDSK is set to run by the system. It doesn't do a Chkdsk at boot unless I use Diskeeper to consolidate directories. I am, e.g., able to resize the page file and defrag it without incident. George -- for email reply remove "/" from address
Guest George Neuner Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: Diskeeper boot time defrag? On Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:27:57 -0700, "Rock" <Rock@nospam.net> wrote: >Another option is check with Diskeeper tech support. Well, it's a business computer so I have to go through IT - and they generally know less about it than I do. George -- for email reply remove "/" from address
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