Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my system box, ....box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) I stumbled across http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 ....which led me to :- http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, gladly accepted. regards, Richard
Guest Malke Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! RJK wrote: > Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched the > new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my system box, > ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) > > I stumbled across > http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 > ...which led me to :- > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 > > FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have > left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. > > Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, > gladly accepted. 1. Did you experience the problem or are you just ranting about nothing? In all the years I've been doing tech support and building machines, I have not run into this issue. 2. Did you bother to research whether the parts you "slapped" into your system box would run your operating system of choice *before* you plunged ahead? This is no one's responsibility but *yours*. 3. No one is forcing you to use an operating system that may not work with your hardware. Use something else instead. 4. Stop whinging. Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers http://www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest Longhorn Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! RJK wrote: > Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched the > new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my system box, > ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) > > I stumbled across > http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 > ...which led me to :- > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 > > FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have > left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. > > Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, > gladly accepted. > > regards, Richard Try LINUX.
Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Comments inserted :-) regards, Richard "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:%23RpnBoa3HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > RJK wrote: >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched >> the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my >> system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) >> >> I stumbled across >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >> ...which led me to :- >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >> >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have >> left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >> >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for >> me, gladly accepted. > > 1. Did you experience the problem or are you just ranting about nothing? > In all the years I've been doing tech support and building machines, I > have not run into this issue. ....well you have "run into" this issue now, perhaps you would care to take a peek at the URL's I posted ! ....and Yes ! ...I do indeed seem to have "run into" this issue ! I very often use several programs at the same time, ...did some research to check that things were optimally configured for multi-tasking, and found that they appeared NOT to be optimally configured. > > 2. Did you bother to research whether the parts you "slapped" into your > system box would run your operating system of choice *before* you plunged > ahead? This is no one's responsibility but *yours*. btw my "slapped" = gargantuan amounts of TLC. I did quite a bit of "research" but, didn't stumble upon the "MS leaves it up to the owner, or system builder, to manually optimize XP OS for dual-core based cpu's" type web pages ! i.e. KB896296 is not automatically downloaded for people during Windows updates. > > 3. No one is forcing you to use an operating system that may not work with > your hardware. Use something else instead. > > 4. Stop whinging. ....same to you with brass knobs on ! ....and obviously you have NO knowledge regarding optimizing dual-core cpu's for "good" or best" performance, or you would have had something to suggest in answer to my, "Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, gladly accepted," which you carefully omitted during your stupid and IGNORANT response to my post. If you haven't got anything constructive to suggest, why not keep your big mouth shut, ....your post simply demonstrates that you do not have as much PC hardware and software knowledge as you would like to have, ...no good getting bitchy about it ! > > > Malke > -- > Elephant Boy Computers > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > "Don't Panic!" > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest glee Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! I'm not sure why you are complaining about this. It hasn't anything to do with "laziness" or negligence. The issues described in the KB article are not described as universal for all dual core systems....it states the issues *may* occur, which is why the hotfix is not on Windows Update. This has been SOP for such hotfixes since the Win95 days. The issues apparently involve a group of games, and so the majority of users would not require it or experience any issues. That said, why do you expect WU to offer the hotfix? Do you also expect WU to offer your chipset/CPU updates? No, you get them for your specific chipset separately. Likewise, a possible issue with games requires you to do a little research and determine what NON-CRITICAL updates you might require. Think back to Win98 and ME, and the Critical and Optional updates. There were many many optional updates that you had to research to determine if your system needed them based on what you were doing and what hardware you had installed. The IDE Hard Drive Cache Update http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273017 is one example of an non-critical update that had to be manually installed only if your system's hardware required it. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OLa1s9Z3HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched the new > (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my system box, ...box a > few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) > > I stumbled across > http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 > ...which led me to :- > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 > > FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have left it > up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. > > Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, gladly > accepted. > > regards, Richard >
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Hi Richard, I'm sorry you've run into unexpected snags with this new machine of yours, but don't blame this on MS, or start bitching at a responder. Your initial tone almost guaranteed a less-than-sympathetic response. It was/is your responsibility to research these things out Remember dual-core and dual processors was not nearly as prevalent when XP was introduced--and MS *does* give you a workaround. Now please, don't *you* get all bitchy about it. -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e266y1a3HHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Comments inserted :-) | | regards, Richard | | | "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message | news:%23RpnBoa3HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > RJK wrote: | >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched | >> the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my | >> system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) | >> | >> I stumbled across | >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 | >> ...which led me to :- | >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 | >> | >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have | >> left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. | >> | >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for | >> me, gladly accepted. | > | > 1. Did you experience the problem or are you just ranting about nothing? | > In all the years I've been doing tech support and building machines, I | > have not run into this issue. | | ...well you have "run into" this issue now, perhaps you would care to take a | peek at the URL's I posted ! | ...and Yes ! ...I do indeed seem to have "run into" this issue ! | I very often use several programs at the same time, ...did some research to | check that things were optimally configured for multi-tasking, and found | that they appeared NOT to be optimally configured. | | > | > 2. Did you bother to research whether the parts you "slapped" into your | > system box would run your operating system of choice *before* you plunged | > ahead? This is no one's responsibility but *yours*. | | btw my "slapped" = gargantuan amounts of TLC. I did quite a bit of | "research" but, didn't stumble upon the | "MS leaves it up to the owner, or system builder, to manually optimize XP OS | for dual-core based cpu's" type web pages ! | i.e. KB896296 is not automatically downloaded for people during Windows | updates. | | > | > 3. No one is forcing you to use an operating system that may not work with | > your hardware. Use something else instead. | > | > 4. Stop whinging. | | ...same to you with brass knobs on ! | ...and obviously you have NO knowledge regarding optimizing dual-core cpu's | for "good" or best" performance, or you would have had something to suggest | in answer to my, | "Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, | gladly accepted," which you carefully omitted during your stupid and | IGNORANT response to my post. | | If you haven't got anything constructive to suggest, why not keep your big | mouth shut, | ...your post simply demonstrates that you do not have as much PC hardware | and software knowledge as you would like to have, ...no good getting bitchy | about it ! | | > | > | > Malke | > -- | > Elephant Boy Computers | > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com | > "Don't Panic!" | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User | |
Guest Longhorn Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Malke wrote: > RJK wrote: >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further >> researched the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped >> into my system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other >> parts) >> >> I stumbled across >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >> ...which led me to :- >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >> >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS >> have left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >> >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" >> for me, gladly accepted. > > 1. Did you experience the problem or are you just ranting about nothing? > In all the years I've been doing tech support and building machines, I > have not run into this issue. > > 2. Did you bother to research whether the parts you "slapped" into your > system box would run your operating system of choice *before* you > plunged ahead? This is no one's responsibility but *yours*. > > 3. No one is forcing you to use an operating system that may not work > with your hardware. Use something else instead. > > 4. Stop whinging. > > > Malke Regarding (3), unfortunately, with microshit's monopoly, one doesn't really have an alternative. LH
Guest Paul Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! RJK wrote: > Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched the > new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my system box, > ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) > > I stumbled across > http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 > ...which led me to :- > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 > > FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have > left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. > > Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, > gladly accepted. > > regards, Richard > > Nice find on the notebookreview thread :-) Paul
Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! You're quite right, ...I suppose <blush> regards, Richard "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%23aYwu9b3HHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Hi Richard, > > I'm sorry you've run into unexpected snags with this new machine of yours, > but don't blame this on MS, or start bitching at a responder. > > Your initial tone almost guaranteed a less-than-sympathetic response. It > was/is your responsibility to research these things out > > Remember dual-core and dual processors was not nearly as prevalent when XP > was introduced--and MS *does* give you a workaround. > > Now please, don't *you* get all bitchy about it. > > -- > HTH, > Curt > > Windows Support Center > http://www.aumha.org > Practically Nerded,... > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm > > "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:e266y1a3HHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > | Comments inserted :-) > | > | regards, Richard > | > | > | "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message > | news:%23RpnBoa3HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > RJK wrote: > | >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further > researched > | >> the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my > | >> system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) > | >> > | >> I stumbled across > | >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 > | >> ...which led me to :- > | >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 > | >> > | >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS > have > | >> left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. > | >> > | >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" > for > | >> me, gladly accepted. > | > > | > 1. Did you experience the problem or are you just ranting about > nothing? > | > In all the years I've been doing tech support and building machines, I > | > have not run into this issue. > | > | ...well you have "run into" this issue now, perhaps you would care to > take > a > | peek at the URL's I posted ! > | ...and Yes ! ...I do indeed seem to have "run into" this issue ! > | I very often use several programs at the same time, ...did some research > to > | check that things were optimally configured for multi-tasking, and found > | that they appeared NOT to be optimally configured. > | > | > > | > 2. Did you bother to research whether the parts you "slapped" into > your > | > system box would run your operating system of choice *before* you > plunged > | > ahead? This is no one's responsibility but *yours*. > | > | btw my "slapped" = gargantuan amounts of TLC. I did quite a bit of > | "research" but, didn't stumble upon the > | "MS leaves it up to the owner, or system builder, to manually optimize > XP > OS > | for dual-core based cpu's" type web pages ! > | i.e. KB896296 is not automatically downloaded for people during Windows > | updates. > | > | > > | > 3. No one is forcing you to use an operating system that may not work > with > | > your hardware. Use something else instead. > | > > | > 4. Stop whinging. > | > | ...same to you with brass knobs on ! > | ...and obviously you have NO knowledge regarding optimizing dual-core > cpu's > | for "good" or best" performance, or you would have had something to > suggest > | in answer to my, > | "Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for > me, > | gladly accepted," which you carefully omitted during your stupid and > | IGNORANT response to my post. > | > | If you haven't got anything constructive to suggest, why not keep your > big > | mouth shut, > | ...your post simply demonstrates that you do not have as much PC > hardware > | and software knowledge as you would like to have, ...no good getting > bitchy > | about it ! > | > | > > | > > | > Malke > | > -- > | > Elephant Boy Computers > | > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > | > "Don't Panic!" > | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User > | > | > >
Guest Gerry Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Richard Did you read this statement by Microsoft before sounding off? "Because Windows XP was not originally designed to support performance states on multiprocessor configurations, changes are required to correctly realize this support on multiprocessor systems. Windows XP Service Pack 2 includes the required changes to the kernel power manager. These changes make sure that Windows XP correctly functions on multiprocessor systems with processor performance states." If you accept this statement at face value doesn't this put the onus on whoever sold you the processor to caution users of potential issues with Windows XP? I presume you read the accompanying literature when you made your purchase. It is hardly reasonable of you to accuse Microsoft of laziness given the circumstances. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RJK wrote: > Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further > researched the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I > slapped into my system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory > and other parts) > I stumbled across > http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 > ...which led me to :- > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 > > FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS > have left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. > > Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" > for me, gladly accepted. > > regards, Richard
Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Thanks Glee From my readings, I construed, or suspected that a significant benefit could be concerned, and possibly gained, with multitasking, (am not interested in games). Several people have commented that KB896256 is only of use to specific hardware ? I appreciate that but, the end result is that I was left unaware that there was an improvement in OS configuration/setup/updating, (...call it what you will), to be had, that I could have been at least alerted to via Windows update. I mean, Windows update is quick enough telling me about a driver update for a redundant dial up pci modem that was in my machine backalong, and it's very quick to offer up ancient Nvidia graphics drivers, and if I remember correctly an old AGP to PCI miniport bridge ...or something like that, ...that would probably have knocked out the correctly installed one ! I appreciate that MS and XP is playing catch-up with some hardware hotfixes but, if I hadn't specifically set out to try and gain knowledge beyond what I thought was sufficient, it could have been a very long time before I discovered, or stumbled upon such information. One can only spend a limited amount of time on the PC hardware and OS software itself, and whilst I find it all interesting, I find it annoying that this type of reading can be ALL time consuming. i.e. how on earth can one find time to wade through such vast considerations, i.e. I like to use PC application programs once in a while !! regards, Richard "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message news:u%23YYc3b3HHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > I'm not sure why you are complaining about this. It hasn't anything to do > with "laziness" or negligence. The issues described in the KB article are > not described as universal for all dual core systems....it states the > issues *may* occur, which is why the hotfix is not on Windows Update. > This has been SOP for such hotfixes since the Win95 days. > > The issues apparently involve a group of games, and so the majority of > users would not require it or experience any issues. That said, why do > you expect WU to offer the hotfix? Do you also expect WU to offer your > chipset/CPU updates? No, you get them for your specific chipset > separately. Likewise, a possible issue with games requires you to do a > little research and determine what NON-CRITICAL updates you might require. > > Think back to Win98 and ME, and the Critical and Optional updates. There > were many many optional updates that you had to research to determine if > your system needed them based on what you were doing and what hardware you > had installed. The IDE Hard Drive Cache Update > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273017 is one example of an non-critical > update that had to be manually installed only if your system's hardware > required it. > -- > Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ > http://dts-l.org/ > http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm > > > "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OLa1s9Z3HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched >> the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my >> system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) >> >> I stumbled across >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >> ...which led me to :- >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >> >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have >> left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >> >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for >> me, gladly accepted. >> >> regards, Richard >> >
Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! I did see that, though rather late in the day, and I had to look for it, without knowing if anything like it existed, if you see what I mean ! My contention is that, seeing as MS is alerting me, via Windows update, to possible hardware driver upsets, ...oops! I mean "updates", pci modem / ancient driver for Nvidia graphics card etc. ...surely MS could alert me to the possibility of improving multi-tasking performance on a dual-core cpu via Window update ? :-) ....if I hadn't found it by actively looking for something whilst "not knowing it was there," I'd have been none the wiser ! regards, Richard "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message news:OhV7FXd3HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Richard > > Did you read this statement by Microsoft before sounding off? > > "Because Windows XP was not originally designed to support performance > states on multiprocessor configurations, changes are required to correctly > realize this support on multiprocessor systems. Windows XP Service Pack 2 > includes the required changes to the kernel power manager. These changes > make sure that Windows XP correctly functions on multiprocessor systems > with processor performance states." > > If you accept this statement at face value doesn't this put the onus on > whoever sold you the processor to caution users of potential issues with > Windows XP? I presume you read the accompanying literature when you made > your purchase. It is hardly reasonable of you to accuse Microsoft of > laziness given the circumstances. > > -- > > > > Hope this helps. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > RJK wrote: >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further >> researched the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I >> slapped into my system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory >> and other parts) >> I stumbled across >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >> ...which led me to :- >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >> >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS >> have left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >> >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" >> for me, gladly accepted. >> >> regards, Richard > >
Guest glee Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! I would agree that there should be *somewhere* a more prominent notification of this update and what it covers, and that preferably it should be somewhere on the WU site. But you know, the WU team has changed WU so much for XP, they really don't have it set up to allow for this sort of update....but I think they should. In v.4 of WU used by Win98/ME, the optional or recommended updates were prominent. Now they urge you to Use Express and not even see what you are getting......uh, I don't think so. There probably is a gain to be had for multitasking as well, as you infer from the articles. It's a good set of articles to be aware of. Yes, it would be nice to use the computer without having to search this type of thing out, but it seems it has been that way for decades. I began working on computers when one I ordered was done so badly that I had to search out all the needed chipset patches and OS patches and so forth, and have been working ON them ever since.....I still rarely get to just work WITH them. -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:up7gYfd3HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Thanks Glee > > From my readings, I construed, or suspected that a significant benefit could be > concerned, and possibly gained, with multitasking, (am not interested in games). > Several people have commented that KB896256 is only of use to specific hardware ? > I appreciate that but, the end result is that I was left unaware that there was an > improvement in OS configuration/setup/updating, (...call it what you will), to be > had, that I could have been at least alerted to via Windows update. I mean, > Windows update is quick enough telling me about a driver update for a redundant > dial up pci modem that was in my machine backalong, and it's very quick to offer > up ancient Nvidia graphics drivers, and if I remember correctly an old AGP to PCI > miniport bridge ...or something like that, ...that would probably have knocked out > the correctly installed one ! > > I appreciate that MS and XP is playing catch-up with some hardware hotfixes but, > if I hadn't specifically set out to try and gain knowledge beyond what I thought > was sufficient, it could have been a very long time before I discovered, or > stumbled upon such information. > > One can only spend a limited amount of time on the PC hardware and OS software > itself, and whilst I find it all interesting, I find it annoying that this type of > reading can be ALL time consuming. i.e. how on earth can one find time to wade > through such vast considerations, i.e. I like to use PC application programs once > in a while !! > > regards, Richard > > > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message > news:u%23YYc3b3HHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> I'm not sure why you are complaining about this. It hasn't anything to do with >> "laziness" or negligence. The issues described in the KB article are not >> described as universal for all dual core systems....it states the issues *may* >> occur, which is why the hotfix is not on Windows Update. This has been SOP for >> such hotfixes since the Win95 days. >> >> The issues apparently involve a group of games, and so the majority of users >> would not require it or experience any issues. That said, why do you expect WU >> to offer the hotfix? Do you also expect WU to offer your chipset/CPU updates? >> No, you get them for your specific chipset separately. Likewise, a possible >> issue with games requires you to do a little research and determine what >> NON-CRITICAL updates you might require. >> >> Think back to Win98 and ME, and the Critical and Optional updates. There were >> many many optional updates that you had to research to determine if your system >> needed them based on what you were doing and what hardware you had installed. >> The IDE Hard Drive Cache Update http://support.microsoft.com/kb/273017 is one >> example of an non-critical update that had to be manually installed only if your >> system's hardware required it. >> -- >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ >> http://dts-l.org/ >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm >> >> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:OLa1s9Z3HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched the new >>> (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my system box, ...box a >>> few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) >>> >>> I stumbled across >>> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >>> ...which led me to :- >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >>> >>> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have left it >>> up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >>> >>> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, >>> gladly accepted. >>> >>> regards, Richard >>> >> > >
Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Thank you Longhorn, I take it that Linux would give me proper Intel dual core support, and a GUI that's as reliable, functional and flexible as MS ? ....at the end of the day I really love XP ...always have done, and I've hardly ever hit any problems with MS Windows GUI's ...ever since they were invented ! ...though I never could get along with ME. ....BUT, to discover that there are hardware specific MS hotfixes available, for Intel, and AMD multi-core cpu's I notice, and to which I'm not even being at least alerted via "Windows Update," is imho not very good ! regards, Richard "Longhorn" <long@horn.com> wrote in message news:f9pkmm$987$1@aioe.org... > RJK wrote: >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further researched >> the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my >> system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other parts) >> >> I stumbled across >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >> ...which led me to :- >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >> >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS have >> left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >> >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for >> me, gladly accepted. >> >> regards, Richard > > Try LINUX.
Guest RJK Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! ....having said that, there wasn't all that much "tone" in my OP :-) ....I gave a little "loud" background to my question and then asked, "Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" for me, gladly accepted." I do keep forgetting that lots of cultures have quite literally no sense of humour whatsoever, (present company excepted of course). regards, Richard "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23H31JVd3HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > You're quite right, ...I suppose <blush> > > regards, Richard > > > "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:%23aYwu9b3HHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Hi Richard, >> >> I'm sorry you've run into unexpected snags with this new machine of >> yours, >> but don't blame this on MS, or start bitching at a responder. >> >> Your initial tone almost guaranteed a less-than-sympathetic response. It >> was/is your responsibility to research these things out >> >> Remember dual-core and dual processors was not nearly as prevalent when >> XP >> was introduced--and MS *does* give you a workaround. >> >> Now please, don't *you* get all bitchy about it. >> >> -- >> HTH, >> Curt >> >> Windows Support Center >> http://www.aumha.org >> Practically Nerded,... >> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm >> >> "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> news:e266y1a3HHA.2312@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> | Comments inserted :-) >> | >> | regards, Richard >> | >> | >> | "Malke" <notreally@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> | news:%23RpnBoa3HHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> | > RJK wrote: >> | >> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further >> researched >> | >> the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I slapped into my >> | >> system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory and other >> parts) >> | >> >> | >> I stumbled across >> | >> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >> | >> ...which led me to :- >> | >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >> | >> >> | >> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS >> have >> | >> left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >> | >> >> | >> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" >> for >> | >> me, gladly accepted. >> | > >> | > 1. Did you experience the problem or are you just ranting about >> nothing? >> | > In all the years I've been doing tech support and building machines, >> I >> | > have not run into this issue. >> | >> | ...well you have "run into" this issue now, perhaps you would care to >> take >> a >> | peek at the URL's I posted ! >> | ...and Yes ! ...I do indeed seem to have "run into" this issue ! >> | I very often use several programs at the same time, ...did some >> research >> to >> | check that things were optimally configured for multi-tasking, and >> found >> | that they appeared NOT to be optimally configured. >> | >> | > >> | > 2. Did you bother to research whether the parts you "slapped" into >> your >> | > system box would run your operating system of choice *before* you >> plunged >> | > ahead? This is no one's responsibility but *yours*. >> | >> | btw my "slapped" = gargantuan amounts of TLC. I did quite a bit of >> | "research" but, didn't stumble upon the >> | "MS leaves it up to the owner, or system builder, to manually optimize >> XP >> OS >> | for dual-core based cpu's" type web pages ! >> | i.e. KB896296 is not automatically downloaded for people during Windows >> | updates. >> | >> | > >> | > 3. No one is forcing you to use an operating system that may not work >> with >> | > your hardware. Use something else instead. >> | > >> | > 4. Stop whinging. >> | >> | ...same to you with brass knobs on ! >> | ...and obviously you have NO knowledge regarding optimizing dual-core >> cpu's >> | for "good" or best" performance, or you would have had something to >> suggest >> | in answer to my, >> | "Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" >> for >> me, >> | gladly accepted," which you carefully omitted during your stupid and >> | IGNORANT response to my post. >> | >> | If you haven't got anything constructive to suggest, why not keep your >> big >> | mouth shut, >> | ...your post simply demonstrates that you do not have as much PC >> hardware >> | and software knowledge as you would like to have, ...no good getting >> bitchy >> | about it ! >> | >> | > >> | > >> | > Malke >> | > -- >> | > Elephant Boy Computers >> | > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com >> | > "Don't Panic!" >> | > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User >> | >> | >> >> > >
Guest Gerry Posted August 13, 2007 Posted August 13, 2007 Re: KB896256 / MS LAZINESS !!! Richard Were you warned by the provider of the processor? If not it is they who you should vent your ire on not Microsoft! Microsoft may be guilty of other misdemeanours but not on this occasion methinks! -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ RJK wrote: > I did see that, though rather late in the day, and I had to look for > it, without knowing if anything like it existed, if you see what I > mean ! My contention is that, seeing as MS is alerting me, via Windows > update, to possible hardware driver upsets, ...oops! I mean > "updates", pci modem / ancient driver for Nvidia graphics card etc. > ...surely MS could alert me to the possibility of improving > multi-tasking performance on a dual-core cpu via Window update ? :-) > ...if I hadn't found it by actively looking for something whilst "not > knowing it was there," I'd have been none the wiser ! > > regards, Richard > > > "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:OhV7FXd3HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Richard >> >> Did you read this statement by Microsoft before sounding off? >> >> "Because Windows XP was not originally designed to support >> performance states on multiprocessor configurations, changes are >> required to correctly realize this support on multiprocessor >> systems. Windows XP Service Pack 2 includes the required changes to >> the kernel power manager. These changes make sure that Windows XP >> correctly functions on multiprocessor systems with processor >> performance states." If you accept this statement at face value >> doesn't this put the onus >> on whoever sold you the processor to caution users of potential >> issues with Windows XP? I presume you read the accompanying >> literature when you made your purchase. It is hardly reasonable of >> you to accuse Microsoft of laziness given the circumstances. >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> RJK wrote: >>> Having an hour or two to spare, I Googled around and further >>> researched the new (older gen. Pentium D935) components that I >>> slapped into my system box, ...box a few weeks ago, (mobo/cpu/memory >>> and other parts) >>> I stumbled across >>> http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=60416 >>> ...which led me to :- >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896256 >>> >>> FAT LOT OF GOOD IT IS, me building a new system box to find that MS >>> have left it up to me to get their OS making use of half of it. >>> >>> Any tips for anything else that MS may not be bothering to "update" >>> for me, gladly accepted. >>> >>> regards, Richard
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