Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan. That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using 26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous.
Guest nass Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 RE: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd "Laughingstar~*" wrote: > I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, OneCare > remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my > computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own > backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan. > That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using > 26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean > re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous. Try to configure the number of day you ant onecare to take care of the Defrag, by default may be OneCare set to defrag each time the scan performed!. I do agree with you the Defrag will wear out the HDD <G>. HTH. nass
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd you might find some answers here: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:uy3rXMo3HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, >OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ >back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, >and do my own backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it >performs a scan. That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with >MS? I am only using 26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. >I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. >This is getting ridiculous. >
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Its included in the maintence, like our individual MS programs are but we select each one. "nass" <nass@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:C858C981-2ADA-421D-89E5-350B9CD19B01@microsoft.com... > > > "Laughingstar~*" wrote: > >> I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, >> OneCare >> remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that >> my >> computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own >> backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan. >> That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only >> using >> 26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean >> re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous. > > Try to configure the number of day you ant onecare to take care of the > Defrag, by default may be OneCare set to defrag each time the scan > performed!. > I do agree with you the Defrag will wear out the HDD <G>. > HTH. > nass
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd thanks db. " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:%23wlDvVo3HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > you might find some answers > here: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm > > > > -- > > db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > . > > > "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uy3rXMo3HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, >>OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ >>back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, >>and do my own backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it >>performs a scan. That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with >>MS? I am only using 26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. >>I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. >>This is getting ridiculous. >> >
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd you're welcome. | | | | *~ <º((( ><·´¯`·.db
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does that relate, please? " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:%23wlDvVo3HHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > > > you might find some answers > here: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm > > > > -- > > db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > . > > > "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:uy3rXMo3HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, >>OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ >>back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, >>and do my own backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it >>performs a scan. That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with >>MS? I am only using 26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. >>I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. >>This is getting ridiculous. >> >
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Laughingstar~* wrote: > I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. > However, OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready > to demand my $ back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have > not downloaded IE7, and do my own backups monthly. Additionally, > it defrags every time it performs a scan. That is not good for my > HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using 26% of my main > drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean > re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting > ridiculous. db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. wrote > you might find some answers > here: > > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm Laughingstar~* wrote: > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does that > relate, please? Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... http://qna.live.com/ And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers from people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. Why did you have to do a clean install twice? That sounds like one of two things... Hardware issues (defective hard drive, controller, cabling, etc come to mind in this case...) or user error/user assumption. VERY seldom is it necessary to perform a clean installation of Windows XP. In most cases, it may be easier - might even be faster - but seldom is it necessary. Why do you think that a defrag is *not* good for your hard disk drive? Because it is being accessed/utilized more? After being around computers that run FULL BLAST 24/7 - accessing GBs upon GBs of data every hour - I would call that 'urban myth'... http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=180776 Good Luck! -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Gerry Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction was that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! Windows Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in the last few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It could be renamed Windows Live NannyCare! -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shenan Stanley wrote: > > Laughingstar~* wrote: >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does >> that relate, please? > > Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... > http://qna.live.com/ > > And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... > http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 > > Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers > from people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - > as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. > > > Good Luck! > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1183028&SiteID=2 http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2 I used one care during the trial period and never encountered any difficulties with it. However, I chose to use the Live Free Version instead of the subscription version after the trial was over. The Live version of One Care does have customer scanning options that permit disabling the defrag option. No doubt that their will be updates available for the subscribers when they are made available. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message news:%23q7Oj0p3HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction > was that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! > Windows Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in > the last few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It > could be renamed Windows Live NannyCare! > > -- > Regards. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Shenan Stanley wrote: > >> >> Laughingstar~* wrote: >>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does >>> that relate, please? >> >> Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... >> http://qna.live.com/ >> >> And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... >> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 >> >> Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers >> from people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - >> as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. >> > >> >> Good Luck! >> >> -- >> Shenan Stanley >> MS-MVP > >
Guest Phisherman Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:54:58 -0500, "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: >I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, OneCare >remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my >computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own >backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan. >That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using >26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean >re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous. > Not good. I'd dump OneCare. It is a good idea to do a thorough scan and defrag, maybe once or twice a month for average PC use. There is no reason at this time to "upgrade" to IE7 (this may even be risky)--best to wait 6-12 months. Microsoft takes a long time to patch security holes, as there is no profit in doing so.
Guest Uncle Grumpy Posted August 14, 2007 Posted August 14, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: >I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. >This is getting ridiculous. I've had WinXP on my system since it was first released in October of 2001. NEVER have I had to reinstall it. NEVER. Why have you had to reinstall it?
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd No, I had to do the clean install only once, b/c the XP Pro became corrupted--as identified and concurred with by Level I microsoft technologists, and their managers. HP (computer mfgr) Business Computers support was in on this from last Thursday, on the phone, ready and willing to help any time I needed them. What a pleasant experience. The first Level I MS tech they assisgned to my case started out helping me on the phone (I'm blind) and told me what to back-up on my C drive (I do not segment my HD). I used my Braille Writer to write down the Folders and backed them up on SanDisks, like an idiot...had to format them b/c last month's back-up was on them. Someone else heard his instuctions on my speaker phone and concurred with my list. After about 30 minutes, the tech put me on hold, then disconnected with me...never called me back, and I kept emailing him w/o any reply--he was in India (lovely!). This has been going on like this since June 18th. Alas, a woman tech phoned to tell me the name of the tech who would call me the next day--this time a "real Level I" tech. He was great. Did a wonderful job, and followed through w everything he said was needed, and he'd do. By that time, my adaptive programs were not operational, b/c they had to be re-loaded. All's well now, but I'm w/o my adpative screen reader, Zoom Text, b/c it gives me a "DCM error" message. The ZoomText techs are working on it in Ai Squared. A couple of weeks ago, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` herein helped me quite a long time. I didn't want to do anything with my registry, w/o expertise 'over my shoulder,' and after he helped me my windows began to appear like slow-moving slide shows, not closing, staying open, grayed out, etc. That's when I really hit hard on microsoft to answer my pleas from last June. Everyone has told me (in Microsoft) not to defrag the HD often..."it not good for your hard disk..." Today, I found out that in OneCare the option is to schedule the Protection Plus, which includes defragging regardless--no option--and its not needed "more than quarterly..." That's stupid programming, imho. When I run my utilities, I don't defrag unless its needed. Manually, its never been necessary. Thank you...so far all's well, except for my adaptive software, and missing all my OE data in the 'not backed up.' "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uRr1iZp3HHA.5724@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Laughingstar~* wrote: >> I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. >> However, OneCare remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready >> to demand my $ back that my computer's AT RISK), because I have >> not downloaded IE7, and do my own backups monthly. Additionally, >> it defrags every time it performs a scan. That is not good for my >> HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using 26% of my main >> drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean >> re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting >> ridiculous. > > db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. wrote >> you might find some answers >> here: >> >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm > > Laughingstar~* wrote: >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does that >> relate, please? > > Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... > http://qna.live.com/ > > And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... > http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 > > Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers from > people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - as they > hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. > > Why did you have to do a clean install twice? That sounds like one of two > things... > > Hardware issues (defective hard drive, controller, cabling, etc come to > mind in this case...) or user error/user assumption. VERY seldom is it > necessary to perform a clean installation of Windows XP. In most cases, > it may be easier - might even be faster - but seldom is it necessary. > > Why do you think that a defrag is *not* good for your hard disk drive? > Because it is being accessed/utilized more? After being around computers > that run FULL BLAST 24/7 - accessing GBs upon GBs of data every hour - I > would call that 'urban myth'... > > http://forum.pcmech.com/showthread.php?t=180776 > > Good Luck! > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd AMEN to that! "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message news:%23q7Oj0p3HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction was > that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! Windows Live > OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in the last few > days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It could be renamed > Windows Live NannyCare! > > -- > Regards. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Shenan Stanley wrote: > >> >> Laughingstar~* wrote: >>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does >>> that relate, please? >> >> Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... >> http://qna.live.com/ >> >> And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... >> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 >> >> Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers >> from people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - >> as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. >> > >> >> Good Luck! >> >> -- >> Shenan Stanley >> MS-MVP > >
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Great news. I've talked to MS in Ca about this program, and they know it has big bugs. I'm only afraid its no better than Ad-Aware or others that are anon. grayware, even though they do their job, if they are well observed in what they 'remove." " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:%23TSB7Dr3HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1183028&SiteID=2 > > http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2 > > I used one care during the trial period and > never encountered any difficulties with > it. > > However, I chose to use the Live Free > Version instead of the subscription > version after the trial was over. > > The Live version of One Care does > have customer scanning options > that permit disabling the defrag option. > > No doubt that their will be updates > available for the subscribers when > they are made available. > > -- > > db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > . > > > "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message > news:%23q7Oj0p3HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction was >> that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! Windows >> Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here in the last >> few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. It could be >> renamed Windows Live NannyCare! >> >> -- >> Regards. >> >> Gerry >> ~~~~ >> FCA >> Stourport, England >> Enquire, plan and execute >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> >> >> >> Shenan Stanley wrote: >> >>> >>> Laughingstar~* wrote: >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does >>>> that relate, please? >>> >>> Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... >>> http://qna.live.com/ >>> >>> And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... >>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 >>> >>> Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers >>> from people who are more apt to be able to answer them effectively - >>> as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. >>> >> >>> >>> Good Luck! >>> >>> -- >>> Shenan Stanley >>> MS-MVP >> >> >
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Like a breeze from the ocean. I did install IE 7 a while back, and that's what started the weird behaviour on my computer. I uninstalled it, and some of the problems settled down. I also removed Adobe and tried as hard as was sensible to remove WMP v. 11--I don't need a retail store on my system and not one going out to the Internet all the time...for the life of me I could not find the "update" file in v.11, so tried to go back to v. 10, but the window reported it wasn't possible with XP Pro. Well I'm now running v. 9 with satisfaction since the clean install. IOW, I wanted to minimize the programs updating w/o my knowledge. I was using Zone Alarm and WF both, but databaseben advised against both, so I uninstalled Zone. Now, back to ad-aware, spybot s&d, and AVG??? They were good to me, as long as I "watched" what was removed before I deleted things. My screen reader is excellent. On computers since 1978 and no Virus or Trojans, yet. But, I'm very cautious. "Phisherman" <noone@nobody.com> wrote in message news:tje4c3t7lpm1gi4hah821lh0pa2srt8f0r@4ax.com... > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:54:58 -0500, "Laughingstar~*" > <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, >>OneCare >>remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my >>computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own >>backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan. >>That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using >>26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean >>re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous. >> > > Not good. I'd dump OneCare. It is a good idea to do a thorough scan > and defrag, maybe once or twice a month for average PC use. There is > no reason at this time to "upgrade" to IE7 (this may even be > risky)--best to wait 6-12 months. Microsoft takes a long time to > patch security holes, as there is no profit in doing so.
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Oh gosh, I have had to re-install it twice. I'm sorry everyone. The only thing I can think of is that I use adaptive programs (for the blind), dictate my input, and it reads everything to me. As a writer, that is imperative. My HP Business Desktop will be two years old in October, and on a 4 yr in-home warranty. They're on "it" everytime I contact them about anything. We did go through several power supplies in the first six months...my system would merely shut down on me w/o any notice. The first replacement was "bad," and the tech was aware that some parts returned that don't appear to be malfunctioning aren't detected (weren't part of the original problem), so install a new one, and it went like magic. Perhaps its the large programs. Also, I've learned not to put any of them on StartUp. That helps a great deal. thank you, very much. "Uncle Grumpy" <unclegrumpy@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:fte4c3p9vtdqqv966ipnphhaaa174ncq4e@4ax.com... > "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. >>This is getting ridiculous. > > I've had WinXP on my system since it was first released in October of > 2001. > > NEVER have I had to reinstall it. > > NEVER. > > Why have you had to reinstall it?
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP in the first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have mentioned it on the microsoft.ngs. "Uncle Grumpy" <unclegrumpy@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:fte4c3p9vtdqqv966ipnphhaaa174ncq4e@4ax.com... > "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>I've had to do a clean re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. >>This is getting ridiculous. > > I've had WinXP on my system since it was first released in October of > 2001. > > NEVER have I had to reinstall it. > > NEVER. > > Why have you had to reinstall it?
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Its gone! Most problems began or maybe appeared more pronounced/more often after IE 7 was installed and uninstalled. All's well. Won't rock the cradle. "Phisherman" <noone@nobody.com> wrote in message news:tje4c3t7lpm1gi4hah821lh0pa2srt8f0r@4ax.com... > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 09:54:58 -0500, "Laughingstar~*" > <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>I have XP Pro, SR2 etc...all updates, use WD, and OneCare. However, >>OneCare >>remains in the RED (warning me until I'm ready to demand my $ back that my >>computer's AT RISK), because I have not downloaded IE7, and do my own >>backups monthly. Additionally, it defrags every time it performs a scan. >>That is not good for my HD, imho. what's going on with MS? I am only using >>26% of my main drive incl all docs, programs, etc. I've had to do a clean >>re-install of XP Pro twice in the past year. This is getting ridiculous. >> > > Not good. I'd dump OneCare. It is a good idea to do a thorough scan > and defrag, maybe once or twice a month for average PC use. There is > no reason at this time to "upgrade" to IE7 (this may even be > risky)--best to wait 6-12 months. Microsoft takes a long time to > patch security holes, as there is no profit in doing so.
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd i'm glad you had the opportunity to communicate with them and they with you. there are never any gaurantees that any piece of software will work on the millions of pc configurations eventhough windows seems to be the common denominator. and it may be that your particular system will be better off with out it eventhough there are systems that function perfectly with the software. I absolutely never encountered any difficulties with that software. However, I am not a fan of subscriptions or renting of software so I use the Live version approx. once every couple of weeks. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:%230pXR0u3HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Great news. I've talked to MS in Ca about this program, and they know > it has big bugs. I'm only afraid its no better than Ad-Aware or others > that are anon. grayware, even though they do their job, if they are > well observed in what they 'remove." > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." > <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:%23TSB7Dr3HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1183028&SiteID=2 >> >> http://forums.microsoft.com/WindowsOneCare/ShowForum.aspx?ForumID=1257&SiteID=2 >> >> I used one care during the trial period and >> never encountered any difficulties with >> it. >> >> However, I chose to use the Live Free >> Version instead of the subscription >> version after the trial was over. >> >> The Live version of One Care does >> have customer scanning options >> that permit disabling the defrag option. >> >> No doubt that their will be updates >> available for the subscribers when >> they are made available. >> >> -- >> >> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >> >> . >> >> >> "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message >> news:%23q7Oj0p3HHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Shenan I had a brief look at these forums earlier today. My reaction >>> was that the dialogue there might be described as "strangulated"! >>> Windows Live OneCare seems to have featured in a number posts here >>> in the last few days. Nobody seems to mention it is a Beta product. >>> It could be renamed Windows Live NannyCare! >>> >>> -- >>> Regards. >>> >>> Gerry >>> ~~~~ >>> FCA >>> Stourport, England >>> Enquire, plan and execute >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>> >>> >>> >>> Shenan Stanley wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Laughingstar~* wrote: >>>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/community/default.htm how does >>>>> that relate, please? >>>> >>>> Well - it has "Live Question and Answer" about OneCare... >>>> http://qna.live.com/ >>>> >>>> And it has a forum link exclusively for OneCare... >>>> http://forums.microsoft.com/windowsonecare/default.aspx?siteid=2 >>>> >>>> Where you could ask your OneCare specific questions and get answers >>>> from people who are more apt to be able to answer them >>>> effectively - >>>> as they hang out in the OneCare related forums/areas. >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> Good Luck! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Shenan Stanley >>>> MS-MVP >>> >>> >> > >
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:45:11 -0500, "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: > BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP in the > first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have mentioned it on the > microsoft.ngs. My guess is that you know six people who did clean reinstallations of Windows XP in the first year they had it. I doubt very much that they "had to." Unfortunately, many people do clean reinstallations as a substitute for doing even the most minor troubleshooting. They've learned this from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them obviously don't possess in any great degree). I've seen at least a couple of people here in the newsgroups who "had to" reinstall Windows because their Task Bar had "inexplicably" moved to the top of their screen. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 15, 2007 Posted August 15, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd <snipped thread> To see the thread in its entiritey: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/60da5cfe3fea1cda/15f1b34902b72884?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#15f1b34902b72884 Laughingstar~* wrote: > BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP > in the first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have > mentioned it on the microsoft.ngs. Ken Blake, MVP wrote: > My guess is that you know six people who did clean reinstallations > of Windows XP in the first year they had it. I doubt very much that > they "had to." > > Unfortunately, many people do clean reinstallations as a substitute > for doing even the most minor troubleshooting. They've learned this > from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their > solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to > is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. > It gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it > doesn't require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that > most of them obviously don't possess in any great degree). > > I've seen at least a couple of people here in the newsgroups who > "had to" reinstall Windows because their Task Bar had > "inexplicably" moved to the top of their screen. Agreed. As I said earlier... Clean installs are rarely *actually* necessary... Hardware issues (defective hard drives come to mind...) might create the need for a clean install otherwise it is likely user error/user assumption. Even the former is more of a lack of knowledge/proper maintenance than an actual reason to perform a clean install - as proper backups/imaging as well as proper computer maintenance would have likely warned of the issue(s) and allowed the user to repair the hardware and restore their system without a clean installation. VERY seldom is it necessary to perform a clean installation of Windows XP. In some cases, it may be easier - might even be faster - but seldom is it necessary. Anyone who tells you differently is practicing the "otherwise' found in the previous paragraph. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd I wouldn't do it for the last rationale you mentioned, Ken. But I was working with MS Support since last June, and some changes made in t he interim made things worse. I believe what you said though. I had to remind the "Level I" and "Level II" techs many times of things that should or should not be done...each time I was "correct." The last bloke knew what he was doing, but had to start and stop a few times, but that was understandable. All including their Manager !!! saw areas to prove the XP Pro had corrupted. I have NO idea how, but there's not much one can do when open windows are going by like a faded out slide show, and will not close. ;0- thanks though. I understand your rationale. BTW the first time was in the first 9 months (this business desktop will be 2 in October). "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:p2c6c3h1vf7lvgg25q1et4c051gi9tqhb8@4ax.com... > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 22:45:11 -0500, "Laughingstar~*" > <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP in the >> first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have mentioned it on >> the >> microsoft.ngs. > > > My guess is that you know six people who did clean reinstallations of > Windows XP in the first year they had it. I doubt very much that they > "had to." > > Unfortunately, many people do clean reinstallations as a substitute > for doing even the most minor troubleshooting. They've learned this > from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their > solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to > is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. It > gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it doesn't > require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that most of them > obviously don't possess in any great degree). > > I've seen at least a couple of people here in the newsgroups who "had > to" reinstall Windows because their Task Bar had "inexplicably" moved > to the top of their screen. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd I don't get it, and don't open links randomly -- thank y ou. "Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eu0xnB23HHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > <snipped thread> > To see the thread in its entiritey: > http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/60da5cfe3fea1cda/15f1b34902b72884?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#15f1b34902b72884 > > > Laughingstar~* wrote: >> BTW I know six people who've had to do clean installs of their XP >> in the first year they had it...that doesn't count all who have >> mentioned it on the microsoft.ngs. > > Ken Blake, MVP wrote: >> My guess is that you know six people who did clean reinstallations >> of Windows XP in the first year they had it. I doubt very much that >> they "had to." >> >> Unfortunately, many people do clean reinstallations as a substitute >> for doing even the most minor troubleshooting. They've learned this >> from the technical support people at many of the larger OEMs. Their >> solution to almost any problem they don't quickly know the answer to >> is "reformat and reinstall." That's the perfect solution for them. >> It gets you off the phone quickly, it almost always works, and it >> doesn't require them to do any real troubleshooting (a skill that >> most of them obviously don't possess in any great degree). >> >> I've seen at least a couple of people here in the newsgroups who >> "had to" reinstall Windows because their Task Bar had >> "inexplicably" moved to the top of their screen. > > Agreed. > > As I said earlier... > > Clean installs are rarely *actually* necessary... > > Hardware issues (defective hard drives come to mind...) might create the > need for a clean install otherwise it is likely user error/user > assumption. > Even the former is more of a lack of knowledge/proper maintenance than > an actual reason to perform a clean install - as proper backups/imaging > as well as proper computer maintenance would have likely warned of the > issue(s) and allowed the user to repair the hardware and restore their > system without a clean installation. > > VERY seldom is it necessary to perform a clean installation of Windows > XP. In some cases, it may be easier - might even be faster - but seldom > is it necessary. Anyone who tells you differently is practicing the > "otherwise' found in the previous paragraph. > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Way > http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html >
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Laughingstar~* wrote: > I don't get it, and don't open links randomly -- thank y ou. You don't get what? Ah - you are a top-reader (much less a top poster)... Scroll down the entire response (not attached here). The link I put at the top is the Google Groups archive of this conversation (thread/posting/whatever you want to call it.) If you look - I snipped much of the conversation that would have nothing to do with my response. I put a linkto the entire thread for anyone in the future who came across it and wondered what started my response. I left the parts that I felt should remain and put my response at the bottom... You'd have to actually scroll down to the bottom to read the response I put. I will respond again with NO quoted text so you won't miss it in a moment... For you --> I left only one line above so you would not have to scroll much in this response... For you I will also explain how to get to the link I posted previously on your own - so it is not some random link as you called it... You know what Google is - I suppose - go there. (For everyone else: http://www.google.com/ ) When you get to the main page (Google) look towards the upper left of the page contents. There you will see links like: Web Images Video News Maps Gmail more Click on "More" and choose "Groups"... You are now on Google Groups. Google Groups contains the world's most comprehensive archive of Usenet postings, dating back to 1981. Google Groups eliminates the need for a newsreader and lets you search this archive the same way you'd search on the web. You can also use Google Groups to post your own comments to an existing Usenet newsgroup. Now that you are on Google Groups - you can search and find your posting, answers to previous posting, etc. In this case I will demonstrate its use by finding THIS conversation - which is the liknk I posted before that you 'feared'... First - I choose to do an "Advanced Groups Search" --> which is a link to the right of the "Google Groups" search input area. In the new page - I decided to enter two pieces of information to narrow my search... Group: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Author: Laughingstar Everything else I left DEFAULT... And I clicked on the "Google Search" (*NOT* "Lookup Message"). The first returned result is: ***** Concerns about defrag's effect on hd Group: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general Laughingstar~* le_sentier_battunospam...@yahoo.com No, I had to do the clean install only once, b/c the XP Pro became corrupted--as identified and concurred with by Level I microsoft technologists, and their managers. HP (computer mfgr) Business Computers support was in on this ... Aug 15 by Laughingstar~* - 24 messages - 8 authors ***** Which links to: http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/60da5cfe3fea1cda/e019b1ad15709344?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#e019b1ad15709344 Which is slightly different than the link I sent before because the search that returned the results was not EXACTLY the way I did it before. However - it still links to the entire conversation - which this response will soon be a part of. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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