Guest titus12 Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only work with Vista. Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not planning to upgrade to Vista, I want to be able to use the newer video cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP. What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be more like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1? Thank you; David
Guest Detlev Dreyer Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP "titus12" <titus12@msn.com> wrote: > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? That's not very likely. > I read that DX10 will only work with Vista. Correct. > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not planning to > upgrade to Vista, I want to be able to use the newer video cards(PCI- > Express 2.0) with XP. No way if they require Windows Vista/DX10. > What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be > more like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1? The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of such video drivers as well. -- d-d
Guest Alias Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Detlev Dreyer wrote: > "titus12" <titus12@msn.com> wrote: > >> Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? > > That's not very likely. > >> I read that DX10 will only work with Vista. > > Correct. > >> Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not planning to >> upgrade to Vista, I want to be able to use the newer video cards(PCI- >> Express 2.0) with XP. > > No way if they require Windows Vista/DX10. > >> What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be >> more like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1? > > The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs > significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of > Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of such > video drivers as well. > If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying customers. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" <titus12@msn.com> wrote: > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only work > with Vista. Right. > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not > planning to upgrade to Vista, I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software that will only be available in the newer operating system. > I want to be able to use the newer video > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP. That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later. > What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be more > like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1? Highly unlikely. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Detlev Dreyer Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of >> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of such >> video drivers as well. > > If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you > buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying > customers. ^^^^^^ How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? -- d-d
Guest Alias Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Detlev Dreyer wrote: > "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: > >>> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >>> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of >>> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of such >>> video drivers as well. >> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you >> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying >> customers. ^^^^^^ > > How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? > Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with Vista Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it really is is XP SE. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Detlev Dreyer Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >>> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you >>> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying >>> customers. ^^^^^^ >> >> How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? > > Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? LOL! The "Mainstream Support Phase" supports Security updates as well as Hotfixes for non-security related problems. Security updates are also supported during the "Extended Support Phase" except the products concerning Consumer, Hardware, Multimedia and Business Solutions. You didn't qualify for any "updates" beyond that scope. Take it easy. -- d-d
Guest George Valkov Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: | On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote: | | > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only work | > with Vista. | | | Right. | | | > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not | > planning to upgrade to Vista, | | | I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if | it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever | their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later | because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software | that will only be available in the newer operating system. | | | > I want to be able to use the newer video | > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP. | | | That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will | probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later. To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl. http://www.ubuntu.com/ http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to work with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My opinion is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help this people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on a different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be user friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one after another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd ask why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't like how that settings were by default. You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I want it to be! Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it. At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a week or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work with that! It's killing my productivity." | > What do you think about Microsoft changing some things in Vista to be more | > like XP if they come out with a VistaSP1? | | | Highly unlikely. | | -- | Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User | Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Frank Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Alias wrote: > Detlev Dreyer wrote: > >> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >> >>>> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >>>> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of >>>> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of >>>> such >>>> video drivers as well. >>> >>> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather you >>> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying >>> customers. ^^^^^^ >> >> >> How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? >> > > Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with Vista > Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it really is is > XP SE. > hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best OS) so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just like you. Frank
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:28:19 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > | On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote: > | > | > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only > work > | > with Vista. > | > | > | Right. > | > | > | > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not > | > planning to upgrade to Vista, > | > | > | I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if > | it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever > | their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later > | because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software > | that will only be available in the newer operating system. > | > | > | > I want to be able to use the newer video > | > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP. > | > | > | That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will > | probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later. > > To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a > reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl. > http://www.ubuntu.com/ > http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php > > Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to work > with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My opinion > is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help this > people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on a > different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be user > friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now > setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one after > another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd ask > why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't like > how that settings were by default. > > You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I want it > to be! That's fine. Use whatever you like. > Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it. > > At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a week > or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work with > that! It's killing my productivity." Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in beta seems to me to be foolish. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest titus12 Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:oj89c3dsu5fg744ukrhahq2lmuosqsm6f4@4ax.com... > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:28:19 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: >> | On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote: >> | >> | > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only >> work >> | > with Vista. >> | >> | >> | Right. >> | >> | >> | > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not >> | > planning to upgrade to Vista, >> | >> | >> | I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if >> | it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever >> | their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later >> | because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software >> | that will only be available in the newer operating system. >> | >> | >> | > I want to be able to use the newer video >> | > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP. >> | >> | >> | That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will >> | probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later. >> >> To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a >> reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl. >> http://www.ubuntu.com/ >> http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php >> >> Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to >> work >> with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My >> opinion >> is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help this >> people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on a >> different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be user >> friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now >> setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one >> after >> another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd ask >> why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't like >> how that settings were by default. >> >> You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I want >> it >> to be! > > > That's fine. Use whatever you like. > > >> Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it. >> >> At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a >> week >> or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work with >> that! It's killing my productivity." > > > Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to > use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in > beta seems to me to be foolish. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > Please Reply to the Newsgroup Ken: I will buy Vista if I had to. I am not convinced that Vista is better than XP. Xp has given me far fewer problems than the other OS. Yes, I will be upgrading my system. My concern is to not have a lot of junk on my hard drive that I don't need and the knowledge that files and personal information is not being accessed by Microsoft when updates are installed. Also, the fact that if a person have two or more computers he will have to buy another copy of Vista. Do I have to buy another copy of vista If my computer crash and I have to reinstall it or if I buy a new hard drive? Microsoft should do the right thing with its customers if you want us to continue to buy your products. Microsoft has some good products to offer. You never know when someone else will come out with a better mouse trap. If you feel something is not right in your heart it's most likely is and it will not prosper. Thank you; David
Guest George Valkov Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: | On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 21:28:19 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: | | > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: | > | On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:41:39 -0700, "titus12" wrote: | > | | > | > Will Microsoft make DX10 to work with XP? I read that DX10 will only | > work | > | > with Vista. | > | | > | | > | Right. | > | | > | | > | > Like about 82% of computer users who prefer XP and are not | > | > planning to upgrade to Vista, | > | | > | | > | I have no idea what the percentage is, although I doubt very much if | > | it's anywhere near that high. But whatever the percentage and whatever | > | their plans, most of them will upgrade to Vista sooner or later | > | because they will want support for the newer hardware and new software | > | that will only be available in the newer operating system. | > | | > | | > | > I want to be able to use the newer video | > | > cards(PCI-Express 2.0) with XP. | > | | > | | > | That's an example of what I explained above, and a reason why you will | > | probably upgrade to Vista sooner or later. | > | > To me the entire design and policy about Windows Vista seems more like a | > reason to move to Ubuntu Linux with Beryl. | > http://www.ubuntu.com/ | > http://www.beryl-project.org/releases.php | > | > Vista works good enough on my hardware, but some how... I'm trying to work | > with it, but it's always taking my attention away from what I do. My opinion | > is that if Microsoft wants people to buy Vista, then Vista must help this | > people to do theit things easyer. And why did they put every setting on a | > different page, different location, spread all around? Could that be user | > friendly? Well, let's try typyng setting 1 in the search box... OK, now | > setting 2... Horay, it found it! But can I search for 100 setings one after | > another? Ofcource I can, but I don't have a free week to loose. You'd ask | > why would I need to change 100 settings? Well, that because I didn't like | > how that settings were by default. | > | > You see, I'm a user, and I don't like it, because it's not the way I want it | > to be! | | | That's fine. Use whatever you like. | | | > Many people can afford to buy Vista, but they don't like it. | > | > At least that is my impression from the beta program. I used it for a week | > or two, then I re-formated the partition and said: "No, I can't work with | > that! It's killing my productivity." | | | Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to | use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in | beta seems to me to be foolish. Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, that I quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like... Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also improved CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and this also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way Windowblinds can add this nice feature to XP. I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing with servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do what I want to :-) Thank You for the correction, Ken! George Valkov
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 13:15:22 -0700, "titus12" <titus12@msn.com> wrote: > Ken: > > I will buy Vista if I had to. I am not convinced that Vista is better than > XP. Xp has given me far fewer problems than the other OS. Yes, I will be > upgrading my system. My concern is to not have a lot of junk on my hard > drive that I don't need and the knowledge that files and personal > information is not being accessed by Microsoft when updates are installed. It's not. > Also, the fact that if a person have two or more computers he will have to > buy another copy of Vista. That's nothing new. It's also true of Windows XP, Windows 2000, Windows NT, Windows Me, 98, 95, and 3.1. > Do I have to buy another copy of vista If my > computer crash and I have to reinstall it No. Just as with every preceding version of Windows. > or if I buy a new hard drive? No. Just as with every preceding version of Windows. > Microsoft should do the right thing with its customers if you want us to > continue to buy your products. "Your products"? I don't work for Microsoft. This is a peer support newsgroup. We are all just Windows XP users here, helping each other if and when we can. We are not Microsoft employees (not even those of us with "Microsoft MVP" behind our names; that's an honorary title for having provided consistently helpful advice) except for an occasional employee who posts here unofficially on his own time. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:29:25 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > | Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to > | use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in > | beta seems to me to be foolish. > > Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, that I > quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like... > Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was > something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also improved > CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's > pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window > Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop > Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can > see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that > supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some > optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and this > also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other > windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that > window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way Windowblinds > can add this nice feature to XP. > > I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing with > servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do what > I want to :-) > > Thank You for the correction, Ken! You're welcome. Glad to help. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Alias Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Frank wrote: > Alias wrote: > >> Detlev Dreyer wrote: >> >>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >>> >>>>> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >>>>> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a question of >>>>> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability of >>>>> such >>>>> video drivers as well. >>>> >>>> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would rather >>>> you >>>> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for paying >>>> customers. ^^^^^^ >>> >>> >>> How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? >>> >> >> Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with Vista >> Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it really is is >> XP SE. >> > > hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed > business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best OS) > so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just like you. > Frank You're a low life stalker, Frank. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Frank Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Alias wrote: > Frank wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Detlev Dreyer wrote: >>> >>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >>>>>> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a >>>>>> question of >>>>>> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability >>>>>> of such >>>>>> video drivers as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would >>>>> rather you >>>>> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for >>>>> paying >>>>> customers. >>>>> ^^^^^^ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? >>>> >>> >>> Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with Vista >>> Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it really is >>> is XP SE. >>> >> >> hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed >> business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best >> OS) so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just like >> you. >> Frank > > > You're a low life stalker, Frank. > Only in your worst nightmares you low life lying linux lovin POS! Frank
Guest Alias Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Frank wrote: > Alias wrote: > >> Frank wrote: >> >>> Alias wrote: >>> >>>> Detlev Dreyer wrote: >>>> >>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >>>>>>> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a >>>>>>> question of >>>>>>> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability >>>>>>> of such >>>>>>> video drivers as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would >>>>>> rather you >>>>>> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for >>>>>> paying >>>>>> customers. >>>>>> ^^^^^^ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with >>>> Vista Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it >>>> really is is XP SE. >>>> >>> >>> hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed >>> business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best >>> OS) so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just like >>> you. >>> Frank >> >> >> You're a low life stalker, Frank. >> > > Only in your worst nightmares you low life lying linux lovin POS! > Frank Stop stalking me, Frank, and go back to your Vista group. -- Alias To email me, remove shoes
Guest Frank Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Alias wrote: > Frank wrote: > >> Alias wrote: >> >>> Frank wrote: >>> >>>> Alias wrote: >>>> >>>>> Detlev Dreyer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Alias" <iamalias@shoesgmail.com.> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> The driver architecture for DX10 optimized video adapters differs >>>>>>>> significantly from previous drivers. Therefore, it's not a >>>>>>>> question of >>>>>>>> Vista SP1 or DX10 for WinXP. It's a question of the availability >>>>>>>> of such >>>>>>>> video drivers as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they wanted to provide DX10 for XP, they could. They would >>>>>>> rather you >>>>>>> buy Vista because of their greed and a total lack of concern for >>>>>>> paying >>>>>>> customers. >>>>>>> ^^^^^^ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How much did you pay exactly for DX10 support under WinXP? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, so updates to XP are for purchase only now? I guess so with >>>>> Vista Ultimate Retail going for over $800 US Dollars and all it >>>>> really is is XP SE. >>>>> >>>> >>>> hehehe...more lies huh? Give it up and move on ok. You are a failed >>>> business person and can't afford to purchase Vista (the world's best >>>> OS) so your opinion of it is meaningless and insignificant, just >>>> like you. >>>> Frank >>> >>> >>> >>> You're a low life stalker, Frank. >>> >> >> Only in your worst nightmares you low life lying linux lovin POS! >> Frank > > > Stop stalking me, Frank, and go back to your Vista group. > No! Frank
Guest titus12 Posted August 18, 2007 Posted August 18, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Ken: Sorry if I offended you on my last post. Thank you; David "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:lil9c3l7u3ekn1scqg1a3ukmojcgn6pf5o@4ax.com... > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:29:25 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > >> | Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to >> | use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in >> | beta seems to me to be foolish. >> >> Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, >> that I >> quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like... >> Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was >> something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also >> improved >> CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's >> pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window >> Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop >> Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can >> see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that >> supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some >> optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and >> this >> also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other >> windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that >> window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way >> Windowblinds >> can add this nice feature to XP. >> >> I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing >> with >> servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do >> what >> I want to :-) >> >> Thank You for the correction, Ken! > > > You're welcome. Glad to help. > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest Ken Blake, MVP Posted August 18, 2007 Posted August 18, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:44:05 -0700, "titus12" <titus12@msn.com> wrote: > Ken: > > Sorry if I offended you on my last post. Titus12? David? Are you the same as George Valkov, below? Sorry, I'm completely confused. If you are not the George Valkov below, I have no idea what you're saying. And if you are talking about some other thread, I don't know what it is, but I don't get offended easily, even if I disagree with you. > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message > news:lil9c3l7u3ekn1scqg1a3ukmojcgn6pf5o@4ax.com... > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:29:25 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: > > > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: > > > >> | Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to > >> | use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in > >> | beta seems to me to be foolish. > >> > >> Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, > >> that I > >> quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like... > >> Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was > >> something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also > >> improved > >> CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's > >> pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window > >> Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop > >> Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can > >> see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that > >> supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some > >> optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and > >> this > >> also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other > >> windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that > >> window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way > >> Windowblinds > >> can add this nice feature to XP. > >> > >> I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing > >> with > >> servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do > >> what > >> I want to :-) > >> > >> Thank You for the correction, Ken! > > > > > > You're welcome. Glad to help. > > > > -- > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup > -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User Please Reply to the Newsgroup
Guest George Valkov Posted August 18, 2007 Posted August 18, 2007 Re: DX10 and WinXP Ken, I offended some of the things in Vista that I did not like. I guess it was not such a good idea to post this as a replay of yours. You'd helped me to solve questions of mine in other topics, so I couldn't possibly have anything against you personally! Titus and David are not me. Have a nice day! George Valkov "Ken Blake, MVP" : | On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:44:05 -0700, "titus12" wrote: | | > Ken: | > | > Sorry if I offended you on my last post. | | | Titus12? David? Are you the same as George Valkov, below? | | Sorry, I'm completely confused. If you are not the George Valkov | below, I have no idea what you're saying. | | And if you are talking about some other thread, I don't know what it | is, but I don't get offended easily, even if I disagree with you. | | | | > "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.am.invalid.domain> wrote in message | > news:lil9c3l7u3ekn1scqg1a3ukmojcgn6pf5o@4ax.com... | > > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:29:25 +0300, "George Valkov" <a@b.com> wrote: | > > | > >> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote: | > > | > >> | Again, I don't want to try to talk you into anything you don't want to | > >> | use, but rejecting a product because you didn't like it when it was in | > >> | beta seems to me to be foolish. | > >> | > >> Good point! :-) I was so busy talking about the things I didn't like, | > >> that I | > >> quite forgot about the improvements. Just to mention a few that I like... | > >> Built-in support for DVD burning, including UDF. I remember there was | > >> something about very fast searching based on indexing and SQL. Also | > >> improved | > >> CPU scheduling for better multimedia and streaming performance... That's | > >> pretty good for live video capturing. There's also the Desktop Window | > >> Manager - every window is rendered on it's own surface, the Desktop | > >> Composition will combine all that windows together, creating what you can | > >> see on the screen. Of course this depends on DirectX 10 and a driver that | > >> supports it :-) This allows all that fancy effects. It still needed some | > >> optimisation, but I guess this was fixed in the final version. Oh and | > >> this | > >> also allowed a window to be moved around without redrawing the other | > >> windows... The operating systems just tells the video card to move that | > >> window somewhere else. This frees a lot of CPU time. By the way | > >> Windowblinds | > >> can add this nice feature to XP. | > >> | > >> I'm preparing to try the Windows 2008 Server beta. I just love playing | > >> with | > >> servers. After all, they seem to be much more manageable and usually do | > >> what | > >> I want to :-) | > >> | > >> Thank You for the correction, Ken! | > > | > > | > > You're welcome. Glad to help. | > > | > > -- | > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User | > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup | > | | -- | Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User | Please Reply to the Newsgroup
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