Guest Trevor Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. Doing a control alt del and looking at how much memory each application is using, I see SVCHOST has 8 entries at the moment. Is this right? How do I deal with the error message?
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and max of 1.5 times the physical size of your ram. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:egkh46B4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. > > Doing a control alt del and looking at how much memory each > application is using, I see SVCHOST has 8 entries at the moment. Is > this right? How do I deal with the error message? >
Guest Trevor Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 > > you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and > max of 1.5 times the physical size > of your ram. > Can you explain an initial size of 2?
Guest Trevor Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low and should there be 8 copies of svchost running?
Guest Jim Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:eM9vtEC4HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> > wrote in message news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 >> >> you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and >> max of 1.5 times the physical size >> of your ram. >> > > > Can you explain an initial size of 2? > Both of the values are rooted in distant memory. My explanation for both is that they came from CBS (aka Clear Blue Sky). System managed is the usual recommendation. Jim
Guest Jim Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23HDjeFC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > and should there be 8 copies of svchost running? > You have 8 different processes doing 8 different tasks using svchost. So, if your system needs these 8 different processes, the answer is yes. To investigate, find out what task each one is doing. Jim
Guest Trevor Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low I assume that 2 is 200 mb?
Guest FrankV Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low That is fairly common for svchost so I wouldn't be concerned about it. FrankV "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23HDjeFC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > and should there be 8 copies of svchost running? >
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low yeh, it is not unusual to see that number of svchost processes running. however, for some people it would look like a rogue process gone wild. here is some fyi from a real professional on svchost.exe but you can google or search microsoft.com for it as well.: http://windowsxp.mvps.org/svchost.htm incidentally, svchost.exe is one of those windows file that can be manually deleted by the user and windows will then simply recreate it. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23HDjeFC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > and should there be 8 copies of svchost running? >
Guest Daave Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low Trevor wrote: > Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. What is the *exact*, *complete* message? How is your pagefile currently configured? To find out, right-click on the My Computer icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced tab. Under Performance, click on the Settings button. Then click on the Advanced tab. Under Virtual Memory, what does it say? Also, click on the Change button and jot down everything in that window and include that information in your next post. Usually, "System Managed size" is the way to go.
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low the initial size is the minimum windows permits. if you look at the configuration dialog for the virtual memory, it indicates the minimum allowed. but you can also input a 0 or a 1 and you will get a simple message about it. you don't have to use 2 and can test your system with higher sizes, that is if you have the time and patience. something to realize however, is that windows will not use more virtual memory than is necessary. if i'm not mistake the limit is 1.5 times the size of your physical ram. so if you max out your page file with a high amount say like 5 times the ram size, you will only be wasting that additional space that has been reserved for vm but "will not" be used by windows. although automatic resizing is a convenience for users, it is not always the best option for some systems, especially the older ones. Thus windows nags about the low virtual. my systems are optimized with custom sizes and i never get that nag. however, other systems may use the automatic resizing just fine and never get the nag as well. here is a link with more fyi on vm: http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&form=MSHOME&setlang=en-US&q=how+to+set+virtual+memory -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:eM9vtEC4HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." > <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 >> >> you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and >> max of 1.5 times the physical size >> of your ram. >> > > > Can you explain an initial size of 2? >
Guest Lem Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low Daave wrote: > Trevor wrote: >> Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. > > What is the *exact*, *complete* message? > > How is your pagefile currently configured? To find out, right-click on > the My Computer icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced > tab. Under Performance, click on the Settings button. Then click on the > Advanced tab. Under Virtual Memory, what does it say? Also, click on > the Change button and jot down everything in that window and include > that information in your next post. > > Usually, "System Managed size" is the way to go. > > Is your hard drive close to being full? See http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.php particular the last section, "Problems with Virtual Memory." -- Lem MS MVP -- Networking To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Guidance_Computer
Guest Jim Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:%23oNbXNC4HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I assume that 2 is 200 mb? > Well, I assume that 2 means twice the installed RAM whereas 1.5 means 1.5 times the installed RAM. This Dell laptop arrived at my house with the pagefile set to 1.5 times the installed RAM. I changed the setting to "system managed". However, I notice that the used space in the pagefile as reported by XP seldom exceeds 500 MB. In addition, I have never seen the used space as less that 300 MB. These figures may or may not be accurate; instead they may or may not simply show the amount of space that has been reserved. I am not certain what effect setting the minimum size has. Since nothing is broken and since there is plenty of space on the drive, I have not attempted to change the pagefile size. Jim Jim
Guest Trevor Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Lem" <lemp40@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OL50OAD4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Daave wrote: >> Trevor wrote: >>> Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. >> >> What is the *exact*, *complete* message? >> >> How is your pagefile currently configured? To find out, right-click on >> the My Computer icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced >> tab. Under Performance, click on the Settings button. Then click on the >> Advanced tab. Under Virtual Memory, what does it say? Also, click on >> the Change button and jot down everything in that window and include >> that information in your next post. >> >> Usually, "System Managed size" is the way to go. >> >> > > Is your hard drive close to being full? > It's about 0.75 full. Have switched to managed size, and haven't had the message again yet.
Guest Trevor Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:O80unfC4HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > yeh, it is not unusual to > see that number of > svchost processes running. > > however, for some people it would > look like a rogue process > gone wild. > > here is some fyi from a real professional > on svchost.exe but you can google or > search microsoft.com for it as well.: > > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/svchost.htm > > incidentally, svchost.exe is one of those > windows file that can be manually deleted > by the user and windows will then simply > recreate it. > > > -- > > db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > . > > > "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:%23HDjeFC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> and should there be 8 copies of svchost running? >> Have tried the command in the article you mention but it doesn't seem to work, see below: C:\Documents and Settings\Default>tasklist /svc >c:\taskList.txt 'tasklist' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
Guest George Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:ehxKZiD4HHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > "Lem" <lemp40@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OL50OAD4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Daave wrote: >>> Trevor wrote: >>>> Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. >>> >>> What is the *exact*, *complete* message? >>> >>> How is your pagefile currently configured? To find out, right-click on >>> the My Computer icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced >>> tab. Under Performance, click on the Settings button. Then click on the >>> Advanced tab. Under Virtual Memory, what does it say? Also, click on >>> the Change button and jot down everything in that window and include >>> that information in your next post. >>> >>> Usually, "System Managed size" is the way to go. >>> >>> >> >> Is your hard drive close to being full? >> > > > It's about 0.75 full. Have switched to managed size, and haven't had the > message again yet. If you do go back and use your own settings use the same size for max and min as that will keep it from getting fragged. George P.S. Glad it is working now! >
Guest Jim Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:eyhl2mD4HHA.2108@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> > wrote in message news:O80unfC4HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> yeh, it is not unusual to >> see that number of >> svchost processes running. >> >> however, for some people it would >> look like a rogue process >> gone wild. >> >> here is some fyi from a real professional >> on svchost.exe but you can google or >> search microsoft.com for it as well.: >> >> http://windowsxp.mvps.org/svchost.htm >> >> incidentally, svchost.exe is one of those >> windows file that can be manually deleted >> by the user and windows will then simply >> recreate it. >> >> >> -- >> >> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >> >> . >> >> >> "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:%23HDjeFC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> and should there be 8 copies of svchost running? >>> > > > Have tried the command in the article you mention but it doesn't seem to > work, see below: > > > > C:\Documents and Settings\Default>tasklist /svc >c:\taskList.txt > 'tasklist' is not recognized as an internal or external command, > operable program or batch file. > > > Are you running XP Pro? As the article mentions, this process will not work on XP Home. You should have entered: tasklist /svc >c:\tasklist.txt Note the space between tasklist and /svc. This command instructs the cmd program to execute a program called tasklist.exe which is located in c:\windows\system32. If your computer does not have the program in that folder, then cmd will issue the error message that you received. Jim
Guest Kayman Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message news:egkh46B4HHA.4676@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. > > Doing a control alt del and looking at how much memory each application is > using, I see SVCHOST has 8 entries at the moment. Is this right? How do I > deal with the error message? The virtual memory is the space your computer uses when it runs short of RAM memory. The paging file is the place where Windows handles your virtual memory settings. If your computer wants to change it, you should go ahead and let it because XP will adjust the setting to meet the current memory needs. It is not recommend changing these settings manually as Windows can manage the size much more efficiently than the user can. Making your virtual memory setting larger will increase the number of addresses and will make Windows lazy. Adding more RAM may also be of benefit as this will reduce the need for virtual memory to be used in the first place. For running Windows XP, It is suggest at least 384MB. In general, adding more RAM is the most cost effective means of boosting a computer's performance. It is recommend buying quality RAM from a reputable company. Some cheap (unbranded) RAM can on occasion be defective resulting in 'unexplained' crashes or freezes. Brands to look for are Mushkin, Crucial and Kingston. To determine the price and availability for a particular computer, select its manufacturer and then the model from the menus on Crucial's site http://www.crucial.com/ Run 'MEMTEST86+ http://www.memtest.org/ Download/Install Process Explorer for Windows v10.21 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx Download/Install XP Page File Monitor http://www.dougknox.com/xp/utils/xp_pagefilemon.htm Good luck :)
Guest Gerry Posted August 16, 2007 Posted August 16, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low Trevor Do you shutdown your computer after use or leave it on 24/7? Try Ctrl+Alt+Delete to select Task Manager and click the Performance Tab. Under Commit Charge what is the Total, the Limit and the Peak? How large is your hard disk and how much free space. Right click on your C drive in Windows and select Properties to get this information. What is your CPU processor speed? How much RAM memory? Right click on your My Computer icon on your Desktop and select Properties to get this information. -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Trevor wrote: > "Lem" <lemp40@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OL50OAD4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Daave wrote: >>> Trevor wrote: >>>> Keep getting pop up from systray 'Virtual Memory is too low'. >>> >>> What is the *exact*, *complete* message? >>> >>> How is your pagefile currently configured? To find out, right-click >>> on the My Computer icon and select Properties. Then click on the >>> Advanced tab. Under Performance, click on the Settings button. >>> Then click on the Advanced tab. Under Virtual Memory, what does it >>> say? Also, click on the Change button and jot down everything in >>> that window and include that information in your next post. >>> >>> Usually, "System Managed size" is the way to go. >>> >>> >> >> Is your hard drive close to being full? >> > > > It's about 0.75 full. Have switched to managed size, and haven't had > the message again yet.
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low I was advise when a small percent of HD was used (25%-30%) to decrease the VM below the default. But, when I did that, it popped up above the default (XP Pro SR2++++) by one digit. It never would stay below the default, only one (1) more. "Jim" <j.n@nospam.com> wrote in message news:6m0xi.14615$eY.1104@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... > > "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:%23oNbXNC4HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>I assume that 2 is 200 mb? >> > Well, I assume that 2 means twice the installed RAM whereas 1.5 means 1.5 > times the installed RAM. > > This Dell laptop arrived at my house with the pagefile set to 1.5 times > the installed RAM. I changed the setting to "system managed". However, I > notice that the used space in the pagefile as reported by XP seldom > exceeds 500 MB. In addition, I have never seen the used space as less > that 300 MB. These figures may or may not be accurate; instead they may or > may not simply show the amount of space that has been reserved. I am not > certain what effect setting the minimum size has. > > Since nothing is broken and since there is plenty of space on the drive, I > have not attempted to change the pagefile size. > > Jim > Jim >
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low db, you told me to reduce my VM, remember? " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:Oqu6nfC4HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > the initial size is the minimum windows > permits. if you look at the configuration > dialog for the virtual memory, it indicates > the minimum allowed. but you can also > input a 0 or a 1 and you will get a simple > message about it. > > > you don't have to use 2 and can test your system with > higher sizes, that is if you have the time and > patience. something to realize however, is that windows > will not use more virtual memory than > is necessary. if i'm not mistake the limit is 1.5 times > the size of your physical ram. > > so if you max out your page file with > a high amount say like 5 times the ram size, you > will only be wasting that additional space that > has been reserved for vm but "will not" be used by windows. > > although automatic resizing is a convenience > for users, it is not always the best option for > some systems, especially the older ones. Thus > windows nags about the low virtual. > > my systems are optimized with custom sizes > and i never get that nag. however, other systems may > use the automatic resizing just fine and never get the > nag as well. > > here is a link with more fyi on vm: > > http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&form=MSHOME&setlang=en-US&q=how+to+set+virtual+memory > > > -- > > db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > . > > > "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:eM9vtEC4HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." >> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 >>> >>> you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and >>> max of 1.5 times the physical size >>> of your ram. >>> >> >> >> Can you explain an initial size of 2? >> >
Guest Laughingstar~* Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low I hate VM, and that its even accessible to the majority of users. MS Level I tech told me I knew more than any of his consumers. Well, a little bit of knowledge can get one in trouble... ;0)) "FrankV" <vze32975@verizon.net> wrote in message news:%23Gq3sOC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > That is fairly common for svchost so I wouldn't be concerned about it. > > FrankV > > "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message > news:%23HDjeFC4HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> and should there be 8 copies of svchost running? >> > >
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low actually, if the virtual memory too low message implies that the space reserved for it is insufficient. for example let say you have 512 megabytes of ram. logically the maximum size of the vm should be 1.5. So the max should be set at 768 megabytes. however, if the max is set like 100 megabytes instead of 768 megabytes your machine will tell you that the vm is too low. now let's say you want to set the max range beyond 768 like 2500 megabytes. your machine will not cry out about vm being too low, however, 2500 megs is too large and windows simply won't use all that additional space. In fact, it actually degrades the performance of the operating system and wasting valuable disk space as well. in regards to the minimum size this is simply a low side of the range. as mentioned, go ahead and take the time to optimize your system. by trying different ranges or settings. however, i always suggest as a default fix for low vm is to set it to custom size of min=2 and max=1152. 1152 may be too much for some systems, but it works fairly well and can be adjusted to be lower or just left as is. after you find the optimum size for your vm. let me know and I can provide additional fyi to help you monitor your new settings.... but first work on the initial issue your o.s. is having.... -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:O2sCw4G4HHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > db, you told me to reduce my VM, remember? > > " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." > <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:Oqu6nfC4HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> the initial size is the minimum windows >> permits. if you look at the configuration >> dialog for the virtual memory, it indicates >> the minimum allowed. but you can also >> input a 0 or a 1 and you will get a simple >> message about it. >> >> >> you don't have to use 2 and can test your system with >> higher sizes, that is if you have the time and >> patience. something to realize however, is that windows >> will not use more virtual memory than >> is necessary. if i'm not mistake the limit is 1.5 times >> the size of your physical ram. >> >> so if you max out your page file with >> a high amount say like 5 times the ram size, you >> will only be wasting that additional space that >> has been reserved for vm but "will not" be used by windows. >> >> although automatic resizing is a convenience >> for users, it is not always the best option for >> some systems, especially the older ones. Thus >> windows nags about the low virtual. >> >> my systems are optimized with custom sizes >> and i never get that nag. however, other systems may >> use the automatic resizing just fine and never get the >> nag as well. >> >> here is a link with more fyi on vm: >> >> http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&form=MSHOME&setlang=en-US&q=how+to+set+virtual+memory >> >> >> -- >> >> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >>><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >> >> . >> >> >> "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:eM9vtEC4HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." >>> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 >>>> >>>> you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and >>>> max of 1.5 times the physical size >>>> of your ram. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Can you explain an initial size of 2? >>> >> > >
Guest Gerry Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low Your statement "is too large and windows simply won't use all that additional space. In fact, it actually degrades the performance of the operating system and wasting valuable disk space as well." set me wondering how you might justify what you have said! Free disk space is valuable if you have insuffient and less or not valuable if you have plenty! Why would an overlarge pagefile degrade performance? Your posts must have the shortest line length in these newsgroups. Is this necessary or could you make them longer? -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > actually, if the virtual memory too > low message implies that the space > reserved for it is insufficient. > > for example let say you have > 512 megabytes of ram. logically > the maximum size of the vm should > be 1.5. So the max should be set > at 768 megabytes. > > however, if the max is set like 100 > megabytes instead of 768 megabytes > your machine will tell you that the > vm is too low. > > now let's say you want to set the > max range beyond 768 like 2500 > megabytes. your machine will not > cry out about vm being too low, > however, 2500 megs is too large > and windows simply won't use all > that additional space. In fact, it > actually degrades the performance > of the operating system and wasting > valuable disk space as well. > > > in regards to the minimum size this > is simply a low side of the range. > > as mentioned, go ahead and take > the time to optimize your system. > by trying different ranges or settings. > > however, i always suggest as a > default fix for low vm is to set > it to custom size of min=2 and > max=1152. > > 1152 may be too much for > some systems, but it works fairly > well and can be adjusted to be > lower or just left as is. > > after you find the optimum > size for your vm. let me know > and I can provide additional > fyi to help you monitor your > new settings.... > > but first work on the initial > issue your o.s. is having.... > > > > db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >> <)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> > > > . > > > "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in > message news:O2sCw4G4HHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> db, you told me to reduce my VM, remember? >> >> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." >> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:Oqu6nfC4HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> the initial size is the minimum windows >>> permits. if you look at the configuration >>> dialog for the virtual memory, it indicates >>> the minimum allowed. but you can also >>> input a 0 or a 1 and you will get a simple >>> message about it. >>> >>> >>> you don't have to use 2 and can test your system with >>> higher sizes, that is if you have the time and >>> patience. something to realize however, is that windows >>> will not use more virtual memory than >>> is necessary. if i'm not mistake the limit is 1.5 times >>> the size of your physical ram. >>> >>> so if you max out your page file with >>> a high amount say like 5 times the ram size, you >>> will only be wasting that additional space that >>> has been reserved for vm but "will not" be used by windows. >>> >>> although automatic resizing is a convenience >>> for users, it is not always the best option for >>> some systems, especially the older ones. Thus >>> windows nags about the low virtual. >>> >>> my systems are optimized with custom sizes >>> and i never get that nag. however, other systems may >>> use the automatic resizing just fine and never get the >>> nag as well. >>> >>> here is a link with more fyi on vm: >>> >>> http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&form=MSHOME&setlang=en-US&q=how+to+set+virtual+memory >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >>>> <)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >>> >>> >>> . >>> >>> >>> "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:eM9vtEC4HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." >>>> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 >>>>> >>>>> you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and >>>>> max of 1.5 times the physical size >>>>> of your ram. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Can you explain an initial size of 2?
Guest db ´¯`·.. > Posted August 17, 2007 Posted August 17, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory is too low the vm is a machine limitation. in this case, the limitation is based on the physical memory size of your the ram chips. let's say you have a pc with 64 megabytes, of course this is only an example. the virtual memory was designed to help move data in and out of the physical ram onto the disk in a special file called pagefile.sys mathematically a 1 to 1 ratio could be used. so if you only have a 64 megabyte ram chip, then all it can mechanically move to and from the pagefile.sys is 64 megabytes of data. if one tries to set the size of a pagefile to a size 1000 megabytes, the machine will still only use 64 megabytes because of the physical ram. the above is only an example is an extreme only to help illustrate and explain. lets say that the vm has been set to a max size of 1000 megabytes but you only have a 64 megabyte ram chip, then approximately 936 megabytes of disk space that can be used for regular data is instead locked up/ reserved for vm eventhough the o.s. can't use it. and depending on the user, most regular computers never use 50 percent of the virtual memory anyways. powerusers, and high end graphics programs run out of virtual memory so one of the easiest options is to gain more power is to increase the ram. it would be wonderful that all computers could have a 64 megabyte chip and by simply maxing out the virtual memory say to 4 gigabytes would make any computer into a super computer with lots of memory - but we aint' there yet. the best way to improve performance is simply have enough ram installed. too much ram can be costly and probably a waste of money for a regular pc user. too much virtual memory will be costly to your computer and waste valuable resources. -- db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. ><)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> .. "Gerry" <gerry@nospam.com> wrote in message news:OgtMTWN4HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Your statement "is too large and windows simply won't use all that > additional space. In fact, it actually degrades the performance of > the operating system and wasting valuable disk space as well." set me > wondering how you might justify what you have said! > > Free disk space is valuable if you have insuffient and less or not > valuable if you have plenty! > > Why would an overlarge pagefile degrade performance? > > Your posts must have the shortest line length in these newsgroups. Is > this necessary or could you make them longer? > > -- > Regards. > > Gerry > ~~~~ > FCA > Stourport, England > Enquire, plan and execute > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> actually, if the virtual memory too >> low message implies that the space >> reserved for it is insufficient. >> >> for example let say you have >> 512 megabytes of ram. logically >> the maximum size of the vm should >> be 1.5. So the max should be set >> at 768 megabytes. >> >> however, if the max is set like 100 >> megabytes instead of 768 megabytes >> your machine will tell you that the >> vm is too low. >> >> now let's say you want to set the >> max range beyond 768 like 2500 >> megabytes. your machine will not >> cry out about vm being too low, >> however, 2500 megs is too large >> and windows simply won't use all >> that additional space. In fact, it >> actually degrades the performance >> of the operating system and wasting >> valuable disk space as well. >> >> >> in regards to the minimum size this >> is simply a low side of the range. >> >> as mentioned, go ahead and take >> the time to optimize your system. >> by trying different ranges or settings. >> >> however, i always suggest as a >> default fix for low vm is to set >> it to custom size of min=2 and >> max=1152. >> >> 1152 may be too much for >> some systems, but it works fairly >> well and can be adjusted to be >> lower or just left as is. >> >> after you find the optimum >> size for your vm. let me know >> and I can provide additional >> fyi to help you monitor your >> new settings.... >> >> but first work on the initial >> issue your o.s. is having.... >> >> >> >> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >>> <)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >> >> >> . >> >> >> "Laughingstar~*" <le_sentier_battunospam368@yahoo.com> wrote in >> message news:O2sCw4G4HHA.4672@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> db, you told me to reduce my VM, remember? >>> >>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." >>> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:Oqu6nfC4HHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> the initial size is the minimum windows >>>> permits. if you look at the configuration >>>> dialog for the virtual memory, it indicates >>>> the minimum allowed. but you can also >>>> input a 0 or a 1 and you will get a simple >>>> message about it. >>>> >>>> >>>> you don't have to use 2 and can test your system with >>>> higher sizes, that is if you have the time and >>>> patience. something to realize however, is that windows >>>> will not use more virtual memory than >>>> is necessary. if i'm not mistake the limit is 1.5 times >>>> the size of your physical ram. >>>> >>>> so if you max out your page file with >>>> a high amount say like 5 times the ram size, you >>>> will only be wasting that additional space that >>>> has been reserved for vm but "will not" be used by windows. >>>> >>>> although automatic resizing is a convenience >>>> for users, it is not always the best option for >>>> some systems, especially the older ones. Thus >>>> windows nags about the low virtual. >>>> >>>> my systems are optimized with custom sizes >>>> and i never get that nag. however, other systems may >>>> use the automatic resizing just fine and never get the >>>> nag as well. >>>> >>>> here is a link with more fyi on vm: >>>> >>>> http://search.microsoft.com/results.aspx?mkt=en-US&form=MSHOME&setlang=en-US&q=how+to+set+virtual+memory >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> db ·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·..><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º>¸. >>>>> <)))º>·´¯`·.¸. , . .·´¯`·.. ><)))º>`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸><)))º> >>>> >>>> >>>> . >>>> >>>> >>>> "Trevor" <trevor@weather.4dinternet.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:eM9vtEC4HHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>> " db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. ." >>>>> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:u80SUCC4HHA.5984@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/826513 >>>>>> >>>>>> you can try an custom/initial size of 2 and >>>>>> max of 1.5 times the physical size >>>>>> of your ram. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Can you explain an initial size of 2? > >
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