Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Richard Urban wrote:

> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>

> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>

> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>

> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

> vulnerable!

>

I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> Richard Urban wrote:

> > So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

> >

> > Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

> >

> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

> >

> > People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

> > vulnerable!

> >

>

> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

decades of warnings.

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Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

"The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'"

<none@non.not> wrote in message news:fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org...

> Richard Urban wrote:

>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>

>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>

>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>

>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

>> vulnerable!

>>

>

> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs who

> ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about ubuntu is

> now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run out of the

> group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

Not fair. The attacks on the linux servers were used to attack other

machines

One of Microsoft's main focuses is that Linux boxes can and do host Virii

that attck windows boxes too. They don't seem to care if the linux hosts

aren't affected for the most part. That's the double standard. Should I care

if my server attacks yours, if it doesn't affect mine?

The servers also weren't patched or kept up to date. Another thing

that MS has over Linux. If their admins were more responsible, then

this issue never would have happened. I used to use Linux exclusively.

When I was an admin, my servers were always up to date. Now I use

Microsoft clients. They are simply easier to maintain, and MS patches

everything, including pirated systems, to keep the windows community safe

from attacks from within.

Conflict here? Yeah, but not what you would think...

Curtis

August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>>

>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>>

>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>>

>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

>>> vulnerable!

>>>

>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

>

> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

> decades of warnings.

>

How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Curtis D. Levin wrote:

> "The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'"

> <none@non.not> wrote in message news:fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org...

>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>>

>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>>

>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>>

>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

>>> vulnerable!

>>>

>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs who

>> ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about ubuntu is

>> now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run out of the

>> group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

>

> Not fair. The attacks on the linux servers were used to attack other

> machines

>

> One of Microsoft's main focuses is that Linux boxes can and do host Virii

> that attck windows boxes too. They don't seem to care if the linux hosts

> aren't affected for the most part. That's the double standard. Should I care

> if my server attacks yours, if it doesn't affect mine?

>

> The servers also weren't patched or kept up to date. Another thing

> that MS has over Linux. If their admins were more responsible, then

> this issue never would have happened. I used to use Linux exclusively.

> When I was an admin, my servers were always up to date. Now I use

> Microsoft clients. They are simply easier to maintain, and MS patches

> everything, including pirated systems, to keep the windows community safe

> from attacks from within.

>

> Conflict here? Yeah, but not what you would think...

>

> Curtis

>

How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing

> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

probably wasn't pro vista.

The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't

bulletproof. The other issue, of more importance, is that

all operating systems are potentially flawed. MS

users are lucky that they were attacked so much. MS

is constantly patching the system to keep it secure, and it

is a pretty streamlined and automated process. Other Os's

have patches available, but sometimes people don't do

what they should and things happen.

I liked Linux when I used to run it. It is a pretty good OS

and has some neat features. But I dislike how some

people have packaged other people's work and sold it

while the people who did the work get nothing. Not

any kind of ideal I'd like to support if I am going to

try and make a living here. I didn't mind it when it was

all free, but now, with so many systems being sold,

and so many changes, it is totally removed from what it

once was. And there's no real benefits at all to using it.

You still end up paying for the stuff you really want.

Might as well use something that has some real support.

Something more reliable than " well maybe it'll happen,

if this other dude does it, you know.." I'm not paying

for that. Heck, I'd rather pay for Vista than download that

for free.

I'd like to think that there's more content there than

"Vista Sucks, get UBUNTU." as well. And since this

is a pro vista group, it's only right that we should praise

Vista. If you want to praise Ubuntu, do it in their group.

Watch the cookies in Vista. The only thing I've had

issues with. Pc-cillen is now scheduled to run daily

spyware scans. Yesterday, i think it found like 14?

Slowed my system down bad until I scanned it. Now

all is well again.

Curtis

August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Curtis D. Levin wrote:

> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing

>> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>

> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

> probably wasn't pro vista.

Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an off

topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or not.

>

> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't

> bulletproof.

Non-issue, not related to Vista.

> The other issue, of more importance, is that

> all operating systems are potentially flawed. MS

> users are lucky that they were attacked so much. MS

> is constantly patching the system to keep it secure, and it

> is a pretty streamlined and automated process. Other Os's

> have patches available, but sometimes people don't do

> what they should and things happen.

This group is NOT about all OSes, it's about vista.

>

> I'd like to think that there's more content there than

> "Vista Sucks, get UBUNTU." as well. And since this

> is a pro vista group, it's only right that we should praise

> Vista. If you want to praise Ubuntu, do it in their group.

I don't praise Ubuntu. It doesn't matter what who is saying about

ubuntu here, the fact is that it is off topic and this OP is a hypocrate

for chasing someone else off of this group who posted about ubuntu, then

posting about ubuntu.

> Curtis

>

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> >> Richard Urban wrote:

> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

> >>>

> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

> >>>

> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

> >>>

> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

> >>> vulnerable!

> >>>

> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

> >

> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

> > decades of warnings.

> >

>

> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

they claim.

My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing

information about Linux after a week.

You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of

zealotry in the OS.

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>>>>

>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>>>>

>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

>>>>> vulnerable!

>>>>>

>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

>>>

>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

>>> decades of warnings.

>>>

>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>

> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

> they claim.

What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer

posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't

know about or something?

And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP

not reply to a post that made that claim?

So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in

this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a

subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed

another poster out of the group for.

>

> My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing

> information about Linux after a week.

>

> You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of

> zealotry in the OS.

>

If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to

address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

In article <fa4up0$td$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> Leythos wrote:

> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> >>>> Richard Urban wrote:

> >>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

> >>>>>

> >>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

> >>>>> vulnerable!

> >>>>>

> >>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

> >>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

> >>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

> >>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

> >>>

> >>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

> >>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

> >>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

> >>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

> >>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

> >>> decades of warnings.

> >>>

> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

> >

> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

> > they claim.

>

> What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer

> posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't

> know about or something?

Because this is a PUBLIC group read all over the world and some people

may fall for the zealotry mantra of the ignorant.

> And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP

> not reply to a post that made that claim?

No idea, many people don't feel the need to reply.

> So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in

> this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

>

> Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a

> subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed

> another poster out of the group for.

LOL - Alias left, if he left, because he lost what ever motivated him to

spout discontent and anything anti-MS like he's been doing for years.

> > My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing

> > information about Linux after a week.

> >

> > You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of

> > zealotry in the OS.

> >

>

> If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to

> address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

So stop trolling then.

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> Richard Urban wrote:

>> > So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>> >

>> > Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>> >

>> > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>> >

>> > People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems

>> > are

>> > vulnerable!

>> >

>>

>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

>

> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

> that the masses with Windows have.

It was "rooted" at all. Someone just brute forced their way in. Trying

combination after combination (probably root + a generated password, etc etc

etc etc...) until they got in. Anyone watching the logs would of caught onto

this quickly.

The problem wasn't Linux at all, it was lack of admins paying attention. Get

over it.

August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

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> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> >> Richard Urban wrote:

>> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>> >>>

>> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>> >>>

>> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>> >>>

>> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems

>> >>> are

>> >>> vulnerable!

>> >>>

>> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard

>> >> here)?

>> >

>> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

>> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

>> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

>> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

>> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

>> > decades of warnings.

>> >

>>

>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>

> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

> they claim.

The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless

admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how

often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread

to a group it wasn't part of.

Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

And you've changed the thread to include:

microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?

Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.

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"Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message

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> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by doing

>> something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>

> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

> probably wasn't pro vista.

>

> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't

> bulletproof.

For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security

problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier

jobs. That's a world of a difference.

August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...

> > In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> >> Leythos wrote:

> >> > In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> >> >> Richard Urban wrote:

> >> >>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

> >> >>>

> >> >>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems

> >> >>> are

> >> >>> vulnerable!

> >> >>>

> >> >> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

> >> >> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

> >> >> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

> >> >> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard

> >> >> here)?

> >> >

> >> > I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

> >> > secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

> >> > that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

> >> > be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

> >> > problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

> >> > decades of warnings.

> >> >

> >>

> >> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

> >> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

> >

> > Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

> > topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

> > that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

> > they claim.

>

> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless

> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how

> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.

which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer

and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the

same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

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Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Wayne Poe wrote:

> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...

>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>>>>>

>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems

>>>>>> are

>>>>>> vulnerable!

>>>>>>

>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard

>>>>> here)?

>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

>>>> decades of warnings.

>>>>

>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

>> they claim.

>

> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless

> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how

> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

>

So how is this not off topic?

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>

> Interesting to see that you felt it was important to direct this thread

> to a group it wasn't part of.

>

> Richard posted to Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

>

> And you've changed the thread to include:

> microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

>

> Why did you feel the need to start trolling the group that way?

> Certainly you just made it off-topic like you're complaining.

>

You are trying to change the subject again. Did you forget to take your

ADD medication this morning?

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Leythos wrote:

> In article <5imefqF3m3hpaU1@mid.individual.net>, louis@h4h.com says...

>> "Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message

>> news:MPG.212fc5ecf8f7e8289898fe@adfree.Usenet.com...

>>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems

>>>>>>> are

>>>>>>> vulnerable!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard

>>>>>> here)?

>>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

>>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

>>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

>>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

>>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

>>>>> decades of warnings.

>>>>>

>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

>>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

>>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

>>> they claim.

>> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was clueless

>> admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in. Just how

>> often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows, hmmm?

>

> And that would follow the ignorant masses problem that all OS's suffer.

> which is the point of my post. You have Zealots stating the XYZ is safer

> and that it can't be hacked and then when they are disproven, for the

> same reasons that many Windows boxes are hacked, they get disgruntled.

>

You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is

it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

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"Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message

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> The article had nothing to do with a Linux security problem, it was

> clueless admins at fault, allowing someone to use "brute force" to get in.

> Just how often do we hear about security problems in Linux vs Windows,

> hmmm?

Ah, but clueless admins are a security problem, because the

machines they administer were attacking others. By others,

I would wager that it was probably us.

In the amateur service ( ham radio ) you are held liable for

what it is your station does. Too bad the internet isn't

regulated the same way. Imagine being held responsible for

someone using your stuff wrong. Might keep you on your toes.

Curtis

August 17, 2007

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Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

In article <fa517e$7j3$3@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

> You also have an MVP being a terrible hypocrate in this group. Why is

> it noone, least of all him it seems, will address that?

How about you clean up your act before you start complaining about

others. You added the windowsxp.general group to this thread without

notice, for no good reason, to stir up more crap.

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"Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message

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> "Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message

> news:snmxi.6328$7e6.4084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>

>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

>> probably wasn't pro vista.

>>

>> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't

>> bulletproof.

>

> For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security

> problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier

> jobs. That's a world of a difference.

Not to me it isn't. Their machines were attacking others. That, is

a security problem, by every definition of the word.

If someone else other than them is expected to do something

about it, then what's the point? They manned up and said that

they didn't apply the patches. That's their fault. MS makes it

easy. Microsoft update. Every day. Not so stupid now.

Linux is good. Don't get me wrong. But it is fallible too.

Anyone who reads cert.org can tell you that. Luckily, most

people who know how to do bad things don't do them to

linux as frequently as they do them to us. Doesn't mean it

can't be done. It can.

Curtis

August 17, 2007

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Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

>

> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

Hypocrisy gets a bad rap.

There's nothing wrong with being a hypocrite; the sign that says: "This way

to Chicago" doesn't actually GO to Chicago.

August 17, 2007

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Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

The poster fromerly known as 'The poster formerly known as Nina DiBoy'

wrote:

> Curtis D. Levin wrote:

>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>

>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

>> probably wasn't pro vista.

>

> Non-issue, has no bearing on this subject whether someone posting an

> off topic post without even labeling it as an OT post is pro vista or

> not.

Well, isn't your complaining about the post being off-topic itself

off-topic? It's off-topic squared.

In other words, isn't a complaint about something being off-topic an example

of hypocrisy?

August 17, 2007

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Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Curtis D. Levin wrote:

> "Wayne Poe" <louis@h4h.com> wrote in message

> news:5imejlF3qjhjjU1@mid.individual.net...

>> "Curtis D. Levin" <cdlevin@spammelater.bellsouth.net> wrote in message

>> news:snmxi.6328$7e6.4084@bignews4.bellsouth.net...

>>> The poster formerly known as ??? wrote...

>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>> Simple. The other poster was writing about Ubuntu, but

>>> probably wasn't pro vista.

>>>

>>> The issue posted here was to point out that Linux isn't

>>> bulletproof.

>> For the most part it is. How ever the article wasn't about a security

>> problem in Linux, rather about admins at some data center not doing thier

>> jobs. That's a world of a difference.

>

> Not to me it isn't. Their machines were attacking others. That, is

> a security problem, by every definition of the word.

>

> If someone else other than them is expected to do something

> about it, then what's the point? They manned up and said that

> they didn't apply the patches. That's their fault. MS makes it

> easy. Microsoft update. Every day. Not so stupid now.

Let's not forget that there are two different entities being discussed.

There is the ubuntu server edition and unbuntu "for the masses". If we

are to compare, lets compare server edition to server edition. It is as

much an injustice to compare ubuntu server against vista home editions

as it would be to compare windows server editions against ubuntu "for

the masses". It doesn't negate what happened, but it does make the

"playing field" a bit more level.

>

> Linux is good. Don't get me wrong. But it is fallible too.

> Anyone who reads cert.org can tell you that. Luckily, most

> people who know how to do bad things don't do them to

> linux as frequently as they do them to us. Doesn't mean it

> can't be done. It can.

>

> Curtis

>

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August 17, 2007

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Re: Linux servers hacked - who would have thought

Leythos wrote:

> In article <fa4up0$td$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>> Leythos wrote:

>>> In article <fa4qia$ins$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>>> Leythos wrote:

>>>>> In article <fa4jmu$sfs$1@aioe.org>, none@non.not says...

>>>>>> Richard Urban wrote:

>>>>>>> So much for Linux (Ubuntu) being bullet proof.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Ubuntu servers hijacked. Used to launch attack.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2171318,00.asp

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> People have been saying right along that ***ALL*** operating systems are

>>>>>>> vulnerable!

>>>>>>>

>>>>>> I think we have a conflict here, Dick. You being one of the very MVPs

>>>>>> who ran alias out of this group for posting things 'off topic' about

>>>>>> ubuntu is now engaging in the same behaviour. Is it time you get run

>>>>>> out of the group for this too (in addition to your double standard here)?

>> >>>

>>>>> I think it's good to point out when a OS that has been stated as being

>>>>> secure for the masses is show to have been rooted by the same stupidity

>>>>> that the masses with Windows have. Clearly Ubuntu was being claimed to

>>>>> be superior to Vista, and in fact it's not, it suffers from the same

>>>>> problems that all OS's suffer from - stupid users that ignore the

>>>>> decades of warnings.

>>>>>

>>>> How does this negate the fact that this MVP is being a hypocrate by

>>>> doing something that he ran another poster off of the group for?

>>> Because the MVP was refuting the claims in this group that were off-

>>> topic, showing that what was claimed is clearly not true, so that those

>>> that watched the OT mantra of linux zealots will see that it's not what

>>> they claim.

>> What is the point of refuting a claim made by a poster who no longer

>> posts in this group? Is there some strange MVP time machine we don't

>> know about or something?

>

> Because this is a PUBLIC group read all over the world and some people

> may fall for the zealotry mantra of the ignorant.

And that same zealotry mantra of the ignorant can be seen from the

windows side too.

>

>> And if he is going to "refute a claim" as you put it, why would the OP

>> not reply to a post that made that claim?

>

> No idea, many people don't feel the need to reply.

>

>> So if as you claim, he is refuting a claim which has not been made in

>> this group recently by a poster who doesn't post here anymore...

>>

>> Still none of this explains away or justifies why he is posting about a

>> subject that he had through mob action with other posters harassed

>> another poster out of the group for.

>

> LOL - Alias left, if he left, because he lost what ever motivated him to

> spout discontent and anything anti-MS like he's been doing for years.

>

>>> My guess is that you'll not see any (or very few) posts sourcing

>>> information about Linux after a week.

>>>

>>> You have to admit, it was a very disruptive amount of crap because of

>>> zealotry in the OS.

>>>

>> If you are going to respond to my posts, please have the courtesy to

>> address the issue at hand and not sidestep the subject with your response.

>

> So stop trolling then.

>

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