More Network Password Issues

"Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

> and

> not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old Win98

> machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but they

> keep

> asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing at

> all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> saying

> that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> locked

> out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> asking

> for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install some

> software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings, I

> get

> a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> Also,

> on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

> passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

>

> Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Thanks,

August 18, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when they

moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone machines,

for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're not

really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting, and

they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had me

set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all these

silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to the

usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

distractions.

I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

still are...

Thanks again,

Jay

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

> reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a few

> problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll run

> into while using those machines.

>

> If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what are

> their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going to

> distribute them to others?

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

> > and

> > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old Win98

> > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but they

> > keep

> > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing at

> > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> > saying

> > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> > locked

> > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> > asking

> > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install some

> > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings, I

> > get

> > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> > Also,

> > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

> > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> >

> > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks,

>

August 18, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a public

school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling Windows 98

especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will still take a

while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on Windows 9x

technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who knows

maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the venture

too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP Professional

that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that people

have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant viruses,

spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a case of

a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a classic

case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed all their

passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name was

exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11 years. I tell

you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment about the

dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name and he

has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people. How is the

start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a 10 hour

day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the computer

network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

"Jay" wrote:

> Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

> networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when they

> moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone machines,

> for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're not

> really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting, and

> they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had me

> set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all these

> silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to the

> usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> distractions.

>

> I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

> but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

> can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

> believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

> still are...

>

> Thanks again,

> Jay

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

> > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

> > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a few

> > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll run

> > into while using those machines.

> >

> > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what are

> > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going to

> > distribute them to others?

> >

> > --

> > Gary S. Terhune

> > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > http://www.grystmill.com

> >

> > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

> > > and

> > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old Win98

> > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but they

> > > keep

> > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing at

> > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> > > saying

> > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> > > locked

> > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> > > asking

> > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install some

> > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings, I

> > > get

> > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> > > Also,

> > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

> > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> > >

> > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> >

August 18, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

I don't know the answer to your question, I'm simply not knowledgeable about

domain-controlled 9x machines and group policies. But I suspect, since you

can't apparently take full control of the machines, that until you figure

that out, you won't be able deal with the other issues. Other than the

references you already have, all I can suggest is that you go to MVP Doug

Knox's site and look at his methods for locking down a 98 machine, to give

you possible hints on how to undo that. Go to http://www.dougknox.com and click on

the Security link at left. Still, as I said, if you can't get into or around

the Administrator account, you won't likely accomplish much, and those

machines are specifically set up to prevent that. It's a closed loop. You

need the admin account to undo the GPOS, but you can't get into it until you

get rid of at least a few of those same GPOs. (Is there no way to obtain the

admin password from the previous owner? Hmmm... There ARE password breaking

utilities around that might get you in.)

Given thirty machines, I could reformat and reinstall Windows and apps in a

couple of days (or one really long one.) There's a lot of time during these

procedures that is "hands-off". Just start one, let it run, start another,

let it run, etc. You can speed things up if you use something like BootIt NG

(BING) to repartition and reformat, since BING can do a "quick format", one

that does not include a thorough scandisk. Ask, if you want more info on the

use of BING.

If they are all the same hardware, I could do it even faster (or at least

easier) by setting up one machine, then imaging the drive and cloning the

rest from that image. Once you're done, even if it takes two or three days,

most if not all of your problems go away. I'd call that good time management

if these machines are going to be used for an academic year. Might take you

as long per machine to undo the way they're set up now, if that's even

possible.

(Thought -- How old are these kids? If they're old enough, I'd be tempted to

get one or two, or more, to help.)

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:9D06A5AD-1F3E-466C-B173-5992662303B6@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

> networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when

> they

> moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

> machines,

> for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're

> not

> really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting,

> and

> they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had

> me

> set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all

> these

> silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to

> the

> usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> distractions.

>

> I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

> but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

> can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

> believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

> still are...

>

> Thanks again,

> Jay

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

>> reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a

>> few

>> problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll

>> run

>> into while using those machines.

>>

>> If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what are

>> their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going

>> to

>> distribute them to others?

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

>>

>> "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

>> > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

>> > and

>> > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old

>> > Win98

>> > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but

>> > they

>> > keep

>> > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing

>> > at

>> > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

>> > saying

>> > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

>> > locked

>> > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

>> > asking

>> > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install

>> > some

>> > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

>> > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings,

>> > I

>> > get

>> > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

>> > Also,

>> > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

>> > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

>> >

>> > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>> >

>> > Thanks,

>>

August 18, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

"Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:9D06A5AD-1F3E-466C-B173-5992662303B6@microsoft.com...

| Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

| networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when

they

| moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

machines,

| for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're

not

| really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting,

and

| they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had

me

| set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all

these

| silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to

the

| usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

| distractions.

|

| I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

| but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

| can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

| believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

| still are...

|

| Thanks again,

| Jay

Okay, your not going to like this much.

Fom what you have indicated here, the computers have apparently had Policy

Editor used upon them [or something similar].

This is and was the SOP applied upon networked computers which needed to be

protected from users modifying settings, hacking/messing up the computer, or

otherwise interferring with the other segments of the network. If this was

not important to the school, one could try the often failing manual removal

of user access policies, and some registration modifications. I do NOT

recommend this at this point.

FIRST - Search through the disks and materials left by the old

administrator / IT person. You're looking for the administator's policy

[logon] and password. A good administrator would have created a separate

administrative disk and *system hook* [policy] for access. The problem may

be, that the systems were to be re-configured/administered over the network

interface, which no longer exists.

IF [emphasis] you can find these [and were not to be applied over the

network], you can back out of [remove] the policies/restrictions, thereby

returning the computers to normal access [or less restrictive modified

access].

OTOH, if there is a local person familiar with the Windows registry and its

modification, and who is able to competently create a "reset" disk from the

registry entries [exported areas], files [removal/modifications], and other

required aspects; you may be able to return the computers to a more

acceptable access status. Perhaps someone in your locality might offer their

time and experiance to the school for free. Check with the PTA, Board,

computer group, or other like, to see if someone might help with the

situation.

As another potential: there are several parties here which, perhaps, ARE

capable of directing you through the process, however, that success would

depend upon your ability to supply *exactly* what they needed, and could

apply that direction, *exactly* as presented. That would, perhaps, be beyond

the scope of this forum/discussion, and better handled via email and

transfer of files.

Others may have differring opinions of course.

|

| "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

|

| > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

| > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a

few

| > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll

run

| > into while using those machines.

| >

| > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what

are

| > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going

to

| > distribute them to others?

| >

| > --

| > Gary S. Terhune

| > MS-MVP Shell/User

| > http://www.grystmill.com

| >

| > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

| > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

07/21/07,

| > > and

| > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old

Win98

| > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but

they

| > > keep

| > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or

nothing at

| > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

| > > saying

| > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

| > > locked

| > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

| > > asking

| > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install

some

| > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

| > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings,

I

| > > get

| > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

| > > Also,

| > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver

and

| > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

| > >

| > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

| > >

| > > Thanks,

| >

--

MEB

________

August 18, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This bad

situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of technology

in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this issue, but

I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me a line

to

j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the district

involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than XP, but

maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

"Dan" wrote:

> I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a public

> school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling Windows 98

> especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will still take a

> while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on Windows 9x

> technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who knows

> maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the venture

> too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP Professional

> that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that people

> have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant viruses,

> spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a case of

> a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a classic

> case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed all their

> passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name was

> exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11 years. I tell

> you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment about the

> dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name and he

> has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people. How is the

> start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a 10 hour

> day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the computer

> network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

>

> "Jay" wrote:

>

> > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

> > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when they

> > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone machines,

> > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're not

> > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting, and

> > they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had me

> > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all these

> > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to the

> > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> > distractions.

> >

> > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

> > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

> > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

> > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

> > still are...

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Jay

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

> > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a few

> > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll run

> > > into while using those machines.

> > >

> > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what are

> > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going to

> > > distribute them to others?

> > >

> > > --

> > > Gary S. Terhune

> > > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > > http://www.grystmill.com

> > >

> > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

> > > > and

> > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old Win98

> > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but they

> > > > keep

> > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing at

> > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> > > > saying

> > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> > > > locked

> > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> > > > asking

> > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install some

> > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings, I

> > > > get

> > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> > > > Also,

> > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

> > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> > > >

> > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > >

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think much of

98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to have the

remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel Free to

write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I will wait

for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks please

don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done this

before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain text

and not opening untrusted attachments.

"Jay" wrote:

> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This bad

> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

>

> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of technology

> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this issue, but

> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me a line

> to

> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

>

> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the district

> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than XP, but

> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

>

> "Dan" wrote:

>

> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a public

> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling Windows 98

> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will still take a

> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on Windows 9x

> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who knows

> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the venture

> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP Professional

> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that people

> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant viruses,

> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a case of

> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a classic

> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed all their

> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name was

> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11 years. I tell

> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment about the

> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name and he

> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people. How is the

> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a 10 hour

> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the computer

> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

> >

> > "Jay" wrote:

> >

> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when they

> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone machines,

> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're not

> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting, and

> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had me

> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all these

> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to the

> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> > > distractions.

> > >

> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

> > > still are...

> > >

> > > Thanks again,

> > > Jay

> > >

> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> > >

> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a few

> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll run

> > > > into while using those machines.

> > > >

> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what are

> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going to

> > > > distribute them to others?

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Gary S. Terhune

> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

> > > >

> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

> > > > > and

> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old Win98

> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but they

> > > > > keep

> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing at

> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> > > > > saying

> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> > > > > locked

> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> > > > > asking

> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install some

> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings, I

> > > > > get

> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> > > > > Also,

> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> > > > >

> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > >

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Very well put, MEB.

"MEB" wrote:

>

> "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:9D06A5AD-1F3E-466C-B173-5992662303B6@microsoft.com...

> | Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

> | networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when

> they

> | moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

> machines,

> | for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're

> not

> | really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting,

> and

> | they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had

> me

> | set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all

> these

> | silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to

> the

> | usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> | distractions.

> |

> | I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

> | but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

> | can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

> | believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

> | still are...

> |

> | Thanks again,

> | Jay

>

> Okay, your not going to like this much.

>

> Fom what you have indicated here, the computers have apparently had Policy

> Editor used upon them [or something similar].

> This is and was the SOP applied upon networked computers which needed to be

> protected from users modifying settings, hacking/messing up the computer, or

> otherwise interferring with the other segments of the network. If this was

> not important to the school, one could try the often failing manual removal

> of user access policies, and some registration modifications. I do NOT

> recommend this at this point.

>

> FIRST - Search through the disks and materials left by the old

> administrator / IT person. You're looking for the administator's policy

> [logon] and password. A good administrator would have created a separate

> administrative disk and *system hook* [policy] for access. The problem may

> be, that the systems were to be re-configured/administered over the network

> interface, which no longer exists.

>

> IF [emphasis] you can find these [and were not to be applied over the

> network], you can back out of [remove] the policies/restrictions, thereby

> returning the computers to normal access [or less restrictive modified

> access].

>

> OTOH, if there is a local person familiar with the Windows registry and its

> modification, and who is able to competently create a "reset" disk from the

> registry entries [exported areas], files [removal/modifications], and other

> required aspects; you may be able to return the computers to a more

> acceptable access status. Perhaps someone in your locality might offer their

> time and experiance to the school for free. Check with the PTA, Board,

> computer group, or other like, to see if someone might help with the

> situation.

>

> As another potential: there are several parties here which, perhaps, ARE

> capable of directing you through the process, however, that success would

> depend upon your ability to supply *exactly* what they needed, and could

> apply that direction, *exactly* as presented. That would, perhaps, be beyond

> the scope of this forum/discussion, and better handled via email and

> transfer of files.

>

> Others may have differring opinions of course.

>

> |

> | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> |

> | > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

> | > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a

> few

> | > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll

> run

> | > into while using those machines.

> | >

> | > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what

> are

> | > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going

> to

> | > distribute them to others?

> | >

> | > --

> | > Gary S. Terhune

> | > MS-MVP Shell/User

> | > http://www.grystmill.com

> | >

> | > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> | > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

> 07/21/07,

> | > > and

> | > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old

> Win98

> | > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but

> they

> | > > keep

> | > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or

> nothing at

> | > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> | > > saying

> | > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> | > > locked

> | > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> | > > asking

> | > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install

> some

> | > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> | > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings,

> I

> | > > get

> | > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> | > > Also,

> | > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver

> and

> | > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> | > >

> | > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> | > >

> | > > Thanks,

> | >

>

> --

> MEB

> http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> ________

>

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's the

*amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing lists

increase dramatically.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

> Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think much

> of

> 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to have

> the

> remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel Free

> to

> write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I will

> wait

> for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks

> please

> don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done this

> before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain

> text

> and not opening untrusted attachments.

>

> "Jay" wrote:

>

>> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This bad

>> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

>>

>> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

>> technology

>> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this issue,

>> but

>> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me a

>> line

>> to

>> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

>>

>> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

>> district

>> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than XP,

>> but

>> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

>>

>> "Dan" wrote:

>>

>> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a public

>> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling

>> > Windows 98

>> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will still

>> > take a

>> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on Windows

>> > 9x

>> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who

>> > knows

>> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the

>> > venture

>> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

>> > Professional

>> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that

>> > people

>> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

>> > viruses,

>> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a

>> > case of

>> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a

>> > classic

>> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed all

>> > their

>> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name was

>> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11 years.

>> > I tell

>> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment

>> > about the

>> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name and

>> > he

>> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people. How

>> > is the

>> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a 10

>> > hour

>> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the

>> > computer

>> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

>> >

>> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >

>> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used

>> > > to be

>> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network

>> > > when they

>> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

>> > > machines,

>> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

>> > > They're not

>> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

>> > > reformatting, and

>> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

>> > > administration had me

>> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are

>> > > all these

>> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the

>> > > kids to the

>> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

>> > > distractions.

>> > >

>> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

>> > > registry,

>> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick

>> > > thing I

>> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's

>> > > hard to

>> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think"

>> > > they

>> > > still are...

>> > >

>> > > Thanks again,

>> > > Jay

>> > >

>> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> > >

>> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

>> > > > recommend

>> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run

>> > > > into a few

>> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems

>> > > > you'll run

>> > > > into while using those machines.

>> > > >

>> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network,

>> > > > what are

>> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you

>> > > > going to

>> > > > distribute them to others?

>> > > >

>> > > > --

>> > > > Gary S. Terhune

>> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

>> > > >

>> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

>> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

>> > > > > 07/21/07,

>> > > > > and

>> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several

>> > > > > old Win98

>> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones,

>> > > > > but they

>> > > > > keep

>> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or

>> > > > > nothing at

>> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network

>> > > > > days

>> > > > > saying

>> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

>> > > > > "administrator"

>> > > > > locked

>> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing

>> > > > > from

>> > > > > asking

>> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

>> > > > > install some

>> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without

>> > > > > going

>> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then

>> > > > > Settings, I

>> > > > > get

>> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this

>> > > > > folder.

>> > > > > Also,

>> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

>> > > > > screensaver and

>> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>> > > > >

>> > > > > Thanks,

>> > > >

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Thanks for the warning. So what is new with you Gary S. Terhune.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's the

> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

>

> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing lists

> increase dramatically.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think much

> > of

> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to have

> > the

> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel Free

> > to

> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I will

> > wait

> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks

> > please

> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done this

> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain

> > text

> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

> >

> > "Jay" wrote:

> >

> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This bad

> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

> >>

> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

> >> technology

> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this issue,

> >> but

> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me a

> >> line

> >> to

> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

> >>

> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

> >> district

> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than XP,

> >> but

> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

> >>

> >> "Dan" wrote:

> >>

> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a public

> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling

> >> > Windows 98

> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will still

> >> > take a

> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on Windows

> >> > 9x

> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who

> >> > knows

> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the

> >> > venture

> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

> >> > Professional

> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that

> >> > people

> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

> >> > viruses,

> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a

> >> > case of

> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a

> >> > classic

> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed all

> >> > their

> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name was

> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11 years.

> >> > I tell

> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment

> >> > about the

> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name and

> >> > he

> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people. How

> >> > is the

> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a 10

> >> > hour

> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the

> >> > computer

> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

> >> >

> >> > "Jay" wrote:

> >> >

> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used

> >> > > to be

> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network

> >> > > when they

> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

> >> > > machines,

> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

> >> > > They're not

> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

> >> > > reformatting, and

> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

> >> > > administration had me

> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are

> >> > > all these

> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the

> >> > > kids to the

> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> >> > > distractions.

> >> > >

> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

> >> > > registry,

> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick

> >> > > thing I

> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's

> >> > > hard to

> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think"

> >> > > they

> >> > > still are...

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks again,

> >> > > Jay

> >> > >

> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

> >> > > > recommend

> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run

> >> > > > into a few

> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems

> >> > > > you'll run

> >> > > > into while using those machines.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network,

> >> > > > what are

> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you

> >> > > > going to

> >> > > > distribute them to others?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --

> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

> >> > > >

> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

> >> > > > > 07/21/07,

> >> > > > > and

> >> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several

> >> > > > > old Win98

> >> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones,

> >> > > > > but they

> >> > > > > keep

> >> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or

> >> > > > > nothing at

> >> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network

> >> > > > > days

> >> > > > > saying

> >> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

> >> > > > > "administrator"

> >> > > > > locked

> >> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing

> >> > > > > from

> >> > > > > asking

> >> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

> >> > > > > install some

> >> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without

> >> > > > > going

> >> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then

> >> > > > > Settings, I

> >> > > > > get

> >> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this

> >> > > > > folder.

> >> > > > > Also,

> >> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

> >> > > > > screensaver and

> >> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks,

> >> > > >

>

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Same as always, though I AM getting older and showing it.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:7695D2B9-6F8B-4936-92FA-EC862EFA69AE@microsoft.com...

> Thanks for the warning. So what is new with you Gary S. Terhune.

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's

>> the

>> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

>> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

>> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

>>

>> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

>> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing

>> lists

>> increase dramatically.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

>> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think

>> > much

>> > of

>> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to

>> > have

>> > the

>> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel

>> > Free

>> > to

>> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I

>> > will

>> > wait

>> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks

>> > please

>> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done

>> > this

>> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain

>> > text

>> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

>> >

>> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This

>> >> bad

>> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

>> >>

>> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

>> >> technology

>> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this

>> >> issue,

>> >> but

>> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me

>> >> a

>> >> line

>> >> to

>> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

>> >>

>> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

>> >> district

>> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than

>> >> XP,

>> >> but

>> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

>> >>

>> >> "Dan" wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a

>> >> > public

>> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling

>> >> > Windows 98

>> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will

>> >> > still

>> >> > take a

>> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on

>> >> > Windows

>> >> > 9x

>> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who

>> >> > knows

>> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the

>> >> > venture

>> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

>> >> > Professional

>> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that

>> >> > people

>> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

>> >> > viruses,

>> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a

>> >> > case of

>> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a

>> >> > classic

>> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed

>> >> > all

>> >> > their

>> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name

>> >> > was

>> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11

>> >> > years.

>> >> > I tell

>> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment

>> >> > about the

>> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name

>> >> > and

>> >> > he

>> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people.

>> >> > How

>> >> > is the

>> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a

>> >> > 10

>> >> > hour

>> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the

>> >> > computer

>> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

>> >> >

>> >> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They

>> >> > > used

>> >> > > to be

>> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network

>> >> > > when they

>> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

>> >> > > machines,

>> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

>> >> > > They're not

>> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

>> >> > > reformatting, and

>> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

>> >> > > administration had me

>> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there

>> >> > > are

>> >> > > all these

>> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the

>> >> > > kids to the

>> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

>> >> > > distractions.

>> >> > >

>> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

>> >> > > registry,

>> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick

>> >> > > thing I

>> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's

>> >> > > hard to

>> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they

>> >> > > "think"

>> >> > > they

>> >> > > still are...

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Thanks again,

>> >> > > Jay

>> >> > >

>> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> >> > >

>> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

>> >> > > > recommend

>> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run

>> >> > > > into a few

>> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems

>> >> > > > you'll run

>> >> > > > into while using those machines.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network,

>> >> > > > what are

>> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are

>> >> > > > you

>> >> > > > going to

>> >> > > > distribute them to others?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > --

>> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

>> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

>> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

>> >> > > > > 07/21/07,

>> >> > > > > and

>> >> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several

>> >> > > > > old Win98

>> >> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're

>> >> > > > > stand-alones,

>> >> > > > > but they

>> >> > > > > keep

>> >> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything

>> >> > > > > or

>> >> > > > > nothing at

>> >> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old

>> >> > > > > network

>> >> > > > > days

>> >> > > > > saying

>> >> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

>> >> > > > > "administrator"

>> >> > > > > locked

>> >> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the

>> >> > > > > thing

>> >> > > > > from

>> >> > > > > asking

>> >> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

>> >> > > > > install some

>> >> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it

>> >> > > > > without

>> >> > > > > going

>> >> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then

>> >> > > > > Settings, I

>> >> > > > > get

>> >> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this

>> >> > > > > folder.

>> >> > > > > Also,

>> >> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

>> >> > > > > screensaver and

>> >> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Thanks,

>> >> > > >

>>

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues -- Att. Gary S. Terhune

Re: More Network Password Issues -- Att. Gary S. Terhune

I hope you stay with this newsgroup for as long as you can. You have been

extremely helpful to me and you were one of the ones who really fired up my

potential and encouraged me to start A+ certification. Unfortunately, I have

just looked through a few chapters since I am so busy at work. I work in the

APS (Albuquerque Public Schol) district. They finally granted me access to

the intranet at work finally trusted me enough --- I guess. I started

working there in September of last year.

BTW, I did indeed work at Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson,

Arizona. I was employed there from November 1998 until around June/July

2001. I worked at the Youth Center there first and then the School Age

Program. I helped some with computers there but it was not my primary job

responsibility of course. I also worked at Target Corporation from August

1998 until around Jan/Feb. 2005. At first, I worked at Target a lot then cut

down my hours as I worked more at Davis Monthan. I moved from Tucson,

Arizona due to the oppressive heat in the summer, lack of good job prospects,

to be closer to my family, and some problems with identity theft issues. My

mom and somewhat my cousin were the primary reasons I moved which turned out

to be a fantastic choice.

It turns out that the reason I went kind of screwy in the past was due to

thyroid issues and I now take thyroid medicine to help with the low thyroid

levels. WebMd mentions all the problems with thyroid levels being too low

and also problems when it is too high. This was a primary reason I had so

many anxiety and depression problems due to a thyroid hormone in-balance. I

had cancer in the past in my lymphatic system. It was Hodgkin's Disease. I

first had radiation and the doctors thought it was cured although I did not.

I was right and found another lump in the right side of my neck a year after

radiation treatment to both sides of my neck. The chemotherapy cured me and

I have been cancer free since July 3, 1992. Unfortunately, the radiation

played havoc on my thyroid gland even though lead blocks were placed above me

on the machine that gave me the radiation treatment. My pediatrician who I

am now good friends with told me on the phone that thyroid problems are

common later on. The doctors thought at first it was psychological and I

tried taking medicine for those problems off and on under several doctor's

care. Thankfully, the doctors finally came to the conclusion that something

was physically was wrong with me. It only took them oh around about 15

years! I guess you can sense some bitterness about that in my view and why I

take a dim view of doctors at times now. I am still adjusting the thyroid

medicine and the doseage continues to be adjusted so please keep me in your

thoughts and prayers. I had the right side of my thyroid removed in January

of 2007 because it had holes in it according to the surgeon from the

radiation back in 1990/1991. The dates are a little hazy in my mind since I

have never been good with dates and names always take me a while to remember

too. Thanks for caring and always being there. I wanted to let everyone

know since there are so many regulars here. Feel free to email me or any of

the other people that are regulars here and I will try to get back to you.

You Rock!!!

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Same as always, though I AM getting older and showing it.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:7695D2B9-6F8B-4936-92FA-EC862EFA69AE@microsoft.com...

> > Thanks for the warning. So what is new with you Gary S. Terhune.

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's

> >> the

> >> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

> >> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

> >> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

> >>

> >> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

> >> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing

> >> lists

> >> increase dramatically.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >>

> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

> >> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think

> >> > much

> >> > of

> >> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to

> >> > have

> >> > the

> >> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel

> >> > Free

> >> > to

> >> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I

> >> > will

> >> > wait

> >> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks

> >> > please

> >> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done

> >> > this

> >> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain

> >> > text

> >> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

> >> >

> >> > "Jay" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This

> >> >> bad

> >> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

> >> >>

> >> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

> >> >> technology

> >> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this

> >> >> issue,

> >> >> but

> >> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me

> >> >> a

> >> >> line

> >> >> to

> >> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

> >> >>

> >> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

> >> >> district

> >> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than

> >> >> XP,

> >> >> but

> >> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

> >> >>

> >> >> "Dan" wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a

> >> >> > public

> >> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling

> >> >> > Windows 98

> >> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will

> >> >> > still

> >> >> > take a

> >> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on

> >> >> > Windows

> >> >> > 9x

> >> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who

> >> >> > knows

> >> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the

> >> >> > venture

> >> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

> >> >> > Professional

> >> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that

> >> >> > people

> >> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

> >> >> > viruses,

> >> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a

> >> >> > case of

> >> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a

> >> >> > classic

> >> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed

> >> >> > all

> >> >> > their

> >> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name

> >> >> > was

> >> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11

> >> >> > years.

> >> >> > I tell

> >> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment

> >> >> > about the

> >> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name

> >> >> > and

> >> >> > he

> >> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people.

> >> >> > How

> >> >> > is the

> >> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a

> >> >> > 10

> >> >> > hour

> >> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the

> >> >> > computer

> >> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > "Jay" wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They

> >> >> > > used

> >> >> > > to be

> >> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network

> >> >> > > when they

> >> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

> >> >> > > machines,

> >> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

> >> >> > > They're not

> >> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

> >> >> > > reformatting, and

> >> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

> >> >> > > administration had me

> >> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there

> >> >> > > are

> >> >> > > all these

> >> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the

> >> >> > > kids to the

> >> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> >> >> > > distractions.

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

> >> >> > > registry,

> >> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick

> >> >> > > thing I

> >> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's

> >> >> > > hard to

> >> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they

> >> >> > > "think"

> >> >> > > they

> >> >> > > still are...

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > > Thanks again,

> >> >> > > Jay

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >> >> > >

> >> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

> >> >> > > > recommend

> >> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run

> >> >> > > > into a few

> >> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems

> >> >> > > > you'll run

> >> >> > > > into while using those machines.

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network,

> >> >> > > > what are

> >> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are

> >> >> > > > you

> >> >> > > > going to

> >> >> > > > distribute them to others?

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > > --

> >> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

> >> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

> >> >> > > >

> >> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

> >> >> > > > > 07/21/07,

> >> >> > > > > and

> >> >> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several

> >> >> > > > > old Win98

> >> >> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're

> >> >> > > > > stand-alones,

> >> >> > > > > but they

> >> >> > > > > keep

> >> >> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything

> >> >> > > > > or

> >> >> > > > > nothing at

> >> >> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old

> >> >> > > > > network

> >> >> > > > > days

> >> >> > > > > saying

> >> >> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

> >> >> > > > > "administrator"

> >> >> > > > > locked

> >> >> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the

> >> >> > > > > thing

> >> >> > > > > from

> >> >> > > > > asking

> >> >> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

> >> >> > > > > install some

> >> >> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it

> >> >> > > > > without

> >> >> > > > > going

> >> >> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then

> >> >> > > > > Settings, I

> >> >> > > > > get

> >> >> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this

> >> >> > > > > folder.

> >> >> > > > > Also,

> >> >> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

> >> >> > > > > screensaver and

> >> >> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> >> >> > > > >

> >> >> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >> >> > > > >

> >> >> > > > > Thanks,

> >> >> > > >

> >>

>

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

I work at an elementary school. I know your question was directed at Jay but

I wanted to let you know too and I help out as an educational assistant for

1st grade which is my primary job responsibility. The computer issues is

actually my secondary job responsibility. I love my job now and may end up

going on to become a full 3rd-5th grade teacher. I am thinking a 3rd grade

teacher, most likely. I already have my batchelor's degree from the

University of Arizona but I would need to take some more classes and tests to

get my certification to teach school. The way I understand myself now is my

primary function is my 1) Faith in God -- without that --- I would be in

really bad shape -- 2) Passion with working with children and confidence in

friends and family ---- 3) Love of technology especially computers and more

recently in understanding how cell phones work Thanks for letting me say me

piece and hopefully Jay will respond here and perhaps email me also.

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I don't know the answer to your question, I'm simply not knowledgeable about

> domain-controlled 9x machines and group policies. But I suspect, since you

> can't apparently take full control of the machines, that until you figure

> that out, you won't be able deal with the other issues. Other than the

> references you already have, all I can suggest is that you go to MVP Doug

> Knox's site and look at his methods for locking down a 98 machine, to give

> you possible hints on how to undo that. Go to http://www.dougknox.com and click on

> the Security link at left. Still, as I said, if you can't get into or around

> the Administrator account, you won't likely accomplish much, and those

> machines are specifically set up to prevent that. It's a closed loop. You

> need the admin account to undo the GPOS, but you can't get into it until you

> get rid of at least a few of those same GPOs. (Is there no way to obtain the

> admin password from the previous owner? Hmmm... There ARE password breaking

> utilities around that might get you in.)

>

> Given thirty machines, I could reformat and reinstall Windows and apps in a

> couple of days (or one really long one.) There's a lot of time during these

> procedures that is "hands-off". Just start one, let it run, start another,

> let it run, etc. You can speed things up if you use something like BootIt NG

> (BING) to repartition and reformat, since BING can do a "quick format", one

> that does not include a thorough scandisk. Ask, if you want more info on the

> use of BING.

>

> If they are all the same hardware, I could do it even faster (or at least

> easier) by setting up one machine, then imaging the drive and cloning the

> rest from that image. Once you're done, even if it takes two or three days,

> most if not all of your problems go away. I'd call that good time management

> if these machines are going to be used for an academic year. Might take you

> as long per machine to undo the way they're set up now, if that's even

> possible.

>

> (Thought -- How old are these kids? If they're old enough, I'd be tempted to

> get one or two, or more, to help.)

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:9D06A5AD-1F3E-466C-B173-5992662303B6@microsoft.com...

> > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used to be

> > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network when

> > they

> > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

> > machines,

> > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc. They're

> > not

> > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and reformatting,

> > and

> > they're not going to be around much longer. The school administration had

> > me

> > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are all

> > these

> > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the kids to

> > the

> > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> > distractions.

> >

> > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the registry,

> > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick thing I

> > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's hard to

> > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think" they

> > still are...

> >

> > Thanks again,

> > Jay

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY recommend

> >> reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run into a

> >> few

> >> problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems you'll

> >> run

> >> into while using those machines.

> >>

> >> If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network, what are

> >> their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you going

> >> to

> >> distribute them to others?

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >>

> >> "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> >> > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started 07/21/07,

> >> > and

> >> > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several old

> >> > Win98

> >> > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones, but

> >> > they

> >> > keep

> >> > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or nothing

> >> > at

> >> > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network days

> >> > saying

> >> > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous "administrator"

> >> > locked

> >> > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing from

> >> > asking

> >> > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or install

> >> > some

> >> > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without going

> >> > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then Settings,

> >> > I

> >> > get

> >> > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this folder.

> >> > Also,

> >> > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels screensaver and

> >> > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> >> >

> >> > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >> >

> >> > Thanks,

> >>

>

August 19, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues -- Att. Gary S. Terhune

Re: More Network Password Issues -- Att. Gary S. Terhune

Glad to hear you're doing better, Dan. And at least somewhat glad you've

made it back here, <w>.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:EE25A957-1C11-4E89-BA71-AD076096A0AA@microsoft.com...

> I hope you stay with this newsgroup for as long as you can. You have

> been

> extremely helpful to me and you were one of the ones who really fired up

> my

> potential and encouraged me to start A+ certification. Unfortunately, I

> have

> just looked through a few chapters since I am so busy at work. I work in

> the

> APS (Albuquerque Public Schol) district. They finally granted me access

> to

> the intranet at work finally trusted me enough --- I guess. I started

> working there in September of last year.

> BTW, I did indeed work at Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson,

> Arizona. I was employed there from November 1998 until around June/July

> 2001. I worked at the Youth Center there first and then the School Age

> Program. I helped some with computers there but it was not my primary job

> responsibility of course. I also worked at Target Corporation from August

> 1998 until around Jan/Feb. 2005. At first, I worked at Target a lot then

> cut

> down my hours as I worked more at Davis Monthan. I moved from Tucson,

> Arizona due to the oppressive heat in the summer, lack of good job

> prospects,

> to be closer to my family, and some problems with identity theft issues.

> My

> mom and somewhat my cousin were the primary reasons I moved which turned

> out

> to be a fantastic choice.

> It turns out that the reason I went kind of screwy in the past was due

> to

> thyroid issues and I now take thyroid medicine to help with the low

> thyroid

> levels. WebMd mentions all the problems with thyroid levels being too low

> and also problems when it is too high. This was a primary reason I had so

> many anxiety and depression problems due to a thyroid hormone in-balance.

> I

> had cancer in the past in my lymphatic system. It was Hodgkin's Disease.

> I

> first had radiation and the doctors thought it was cured although I did

> not.

> I was right and found another lump in the right side of my neck a year

> after

> radiation treatment to both sides of my neck. The chemotherapy cured me

> and

> I have been cancer free since July 3, 1992. Unfortunately, the radiation

> played havoc on my thyroid gland even though lead blocks were placed above

> me

> on the machine that gave me the radiation treatment. My pediatrician who

> I

> am now good friends with told me on the phone that thyroid problems are

> common later on. The doctors thought at first it was psychological and I

> tried taking medicine for those problems off and on under several doctor's

> care. Thankfully, the doctors finally came to the conclusion that

> something

> was physically was wrong with me. It only took them oh around about 15

> years! I guess you can sense some bitterness about that in my view and

> why I

> take a dim view of doctors at times now. I am still adjusting the thyroid

> medicine and the doseage continues to be adjusted so please keep me in

> your

> thoughts and prayers. I had the right side of my thyroid removed in

> January

> of 2007 because it had holes in it according to the surgeon from the

> radiation back in 1990/1991. The dates are a little hazy in my mind since

> I

> have never been good with dates and names always take me a while to

> remember

> too. Thanks for caring and always being there. I wanted to let everyone

> know since there are so many regulars here. Feel free to email me or any

> of

> the other people that are regulars here and I will try to get back to you.

> You Rock!!!

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Same as always, though I AM getting older and showing it.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:7695D2B9-6F8B-4936-92FA-EC862EFA69AE@microsoft.com...

>> > Thanks for the warning. So what is new with you Gary S. Terhune.

>> >

>> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything.

>> >> It's

>> >> the

>> >> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective.

>> >> At

>> >> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure

>> >> whitelist

>> >> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

>> >>

>> >> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just

>> >> know

>> >> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing

>> >> lists

>> >> increase dramatically.

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >> Gary S. Terhune

>> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

>> >> http://www.grystmill.com

>> >>

>> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

>> >> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think

>> >> > much

>> >> > of

>> >> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to

>> >> > have

>> >> > the

>> >> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel

>> >> > Free

>> >> > to

>> >> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I

>> >> > will

>> >> > wait

>> >> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also,

>> >> > folks

>> >> > please

>> >> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done

>> >> > this

>> >> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in

>> >> > plain

>> >> > text

>> >> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

>> >> >

>> >> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back.

>> >> >> This

>> >> >> bad

>> >> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

>> >> >> technology

>> >> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this

>> >> >> issue,

>> >> >> but

>> >> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop

>> >> >> me

>> >> >> a

>> >> >> line

>> >> >> to

>> >> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

>> >> >> district

>> >> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower

>> >> >> than

>> >> >> XP,

>> >> >> but

>> >> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> "Dan" wrote:

>> >> >>

>> >> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a

>> >> >> > public

>> >> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and

>> >> >> > reinstalling

>> >> >> > Windows 98

>> >> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will

>> >> >> > still

>> >> >> > take a

>> >> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on

>> >> >> > Windows

>> >> >> > 9x

>> >> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology.

>> >> >> > Who

>> >> >> > knows

>> >> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into

>> >> >> > the

>> >> >> > venture

>> >> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

>> >> >> > Professional

>> >> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is

>> >> >> > that

>> >> >> > people

>> >> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

>> >> >> > viruses,

>> >> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is

>> >> >> > even a

>> >> >> > case of

>> >> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and

>> >> >> > is a

>> >> >> > classic

>> >> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed

>> >> >> > all

>> >> >> > their

>> >> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The

>> >> >> > name

>> >> >> > was

>> >> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11

>> >> >> > years.

>> >> >> > I tell

>> >> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will

>> >> >> > comment

>> >> >> > about the

>> >> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his

>> >> >> > name

>> >> >> > and

>> >> >> > he

>> >> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people.

>> >> >> > How

>> >> >> > is the

>> >> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked

>> >> >> > a

>> >> >> > 10

>> >> >> > hour

>> >> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on

>> >> >> > the

>> >> >> > computer

>> >> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >> >> >

>> >> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They

>> >> >> > > used

>> >> >> > > to be

>> >> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the

>> >> >> > > network

>> >> >> > > when they

>> >> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as

>> >> >> > > stand-alone

>> >> >> > > machines,

>> >> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

>> >> >> > > They're not

>> >> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

>> >> >> > > reformatting, and

>> >> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

>> >> >> > > administration had me

>> >> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there

>> >> >> > > are

>> >> >> > > all these

>> >> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get

>> >> >> > > the

>> >> >> > > kids to the

>> >> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or

>> >> >> > > other

>> >> >> > > distractions.

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

>> >> >> > > registry,

>> >> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of

>> >> >> > > quick

>> >> >> > > thing I

>> >> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs?

>> >> >> > > It's

>> >> >> > > hard to

>> >> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they

>> >> >> > > "think"

>> >> >> > > they

>> >> >> > > still are...

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > > Thanks again,

>> >> >> > > Jay

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> >> >> > >

>> >> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

>> >> >> > > > recommend

>> >> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already

>> >> >> > > > run

>> >> >> > > > into a few

>> >> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the

>> >> >> > > > problems

>> >> >> > > > you'll run

>> >> >> > > > into while using those machines.

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled

>> >> >> > > > network,

>> >> >> > > > what are

>> >> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are

>> >> >> > > > you

>> >> >> > > > going to

>> >> >> > > > distribute them to others?

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > > --

>> >> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

>> >> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> >> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

>> >> >> > > >

>> >> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

>> >> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread

>> >> >> > > > > started

>> >> >> > > > > 07/21/07,

>> >> >> > > > > and

>> >> >> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have

>> >> >> > > > > several

>> >> >> > > > > old Win98

>> >> >> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're

>> >> >> > > > > stand-alones,

>> >> >> > > > > but they

>> >> >> > > > > keep

>> >> >> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in

>> >> >> > > > > anything

>> >> >> > > > > or

>> >> >> > > > > nothing at

>> >> >> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old

>> >> >> > > > > network

>> >> >> > > > > days

>> >> >> > > > > saying

>> >> >> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

>> >> >> > > > > "administrator"

>> >> >> > > > > locked

>> >> >> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the

>> >> >> > > > > thing

>> >> >> > > > > from

>> >> >> > > > > asking

>> >> >> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

>> >> >> > > > > install some

>> >> >> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it

>> >> >> > > > > without

>> >> >> > > > > going

>> >> >> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start,

>> >> >> > > > > then

>> >> >> > > > > Settings, I

>> >> >> > > > > get

>> >> >> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to

>> >> >> > > > > this

>> >> >> > > > > folder.

>> >> >> > > > > Also,

>> >> >> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

>> >> >> > > > > screensaver and

>> >> >> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

>> >> >> > > > >

>> >> >> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>> >> >> > > > >

>> >> >> > > > > Thanks,

>> >> >> > > >

>> >>

>>

August 20, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues -- Att. Gary S. Terhune

Re: More Network Password Issues -- Att. Gary S. Terhune

Thanks Gary! I hope you and I stay on good terms. Personally, I hate being

upset with people; at least I don't want to be upset with them for very long.

It is amusing since I asked the Higher Power for an adventurerous life and I

certainly got my wish. <wink, grin, smile>

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Glad to hear you're doing better, Dan. And at least somewhat glad you've

> made it back here, <w>.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:EE25A957-1C11-4E89-BA71-AD076096A0AA@microsoft.com...

> > I hope you stay with this newsgroup for as long as you can. You have

> > been

> > extremely helpful to me and you were one of the ones who really fired up

> > my

> > potential and encouraged me to start A+ certification. Unfortunately, I

> > have

> > just looked through a few chapters since I am so busy at work. I work in

> > the

> > APS (Albuquerque Public Schol) district. They finally granted me access

> > to

> > the intranet at work finally trusted me enough --- I guess. I started

> > working there in September of last year.

> > BTW, I did indeed work at Davis Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson,

> > Arizona. I was employed there from November 1998 until around June/July

> > 2001. I worked at the Youth Center there first and then the School Age

> > Program. I helped some with computers there but it was not my primary job

> > responsibility of course. I also worked at Target Corporation from August

> > 1998 until around Jan/Feb. 2005. At first, I worked at Target a lot then

> > cut

> > down my hours as I worked more at Davis Monthan. I moved from Tucson,

> > Arizona due to the oppressive heat in the summer, lack of good job

> > prospects,

> > to be closer to my family, and some problems with identity theft issues.

> > My

> > mom and somewhat my cousin were the primary reasons I moved which turned

> > out

> > to be a fantastic choice.

> > It turns out that the reason I went kind of screwy in the past was due

> > to

> > thyroid issues and I now take thyroid medicine to help with the low

> > thyroid

> > levels. WebMd mentions all the problems with thyroid levels being too low

> > and also problems when it is too high. This was a primary reason I had so

> > many anxiety and depression problems due to a thyroid hormone in-balance.

> > I

> > had cancer in the past in my lymphatic system. It was Hodgkin's Disease.

> > I

> > first had radiation and the doctors thought it was cured although I did

> > not.

> > I was right and found another lump in the right side of my neck a year

> > after

> > radiation treatment to both sides of my neck. The chemotherapy cured me

> > and

> > I have been cancer free since July 3, 1992. Unfortunately, the radiation

> > played havoc on my thyroid gland even though lead blocks were placed above

> > me

> > on the machine that gave me the radiation treatment. My pediatrician who

> > I

> > am now good friends with told me on the phone that thyroid problems are

> > common later on. The doctors thought at first it was psychological and I

> > tried taking medicine for those problems off and on under several doctor's

> > care. Thankfully, the doctors finally came to the conclusion that

> > something

> > was physically was wrong with me. It only took them oh around about 15

> > years! I guess you can sense some bitterness about that in my view and

> > why I

> > take a dim view of doctors at times now. I am still adjusting the thyroid

> > medicine and the doseage continues to be adjusted so please keep me in

> > your

> > thoughts and prayers. I had the right side of my thyroid removed in

> > January

> > of 2007 because it had holes in it according to the surgeon from the

> > radiation back in 1990/1991. The dates are a little hazy in my mind since

> > I

> > have never been good with dates and names always take me a while to

> > remember

> > too. Thanks for caring and always being there. I wanted to let everyone

> > know since there are so many regulars here. Feel free to email me or any

> > of

> > the other people that are regulars here and I will try to get back to you.

> > You Rock!!!

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> Same as always, though I AM getting older and showing it.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >>

> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> news:7695D2B9-6F8B-4936-92FA-EC862EFA69AE@microsoft.com...

> >> > Thanks for the warning. So what is new with you Gary S. Terhune.

> >> >

> >> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything.

> >> >> It's

> >> >> the

> >> >> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective.

> >> >> At

> >> >> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure

> >> >> whitelist

> >> >> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

> >> >>

> >> >> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just

> >> >> know

> >> >> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing

> >> >> lists

> >> >> increase dramatically.

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> >> MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> >> http://www.grystmill.com

> >> >>

> >> >> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

> >> >> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think

> >> >> > much

> >> >> > of

> >> >> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to

> >> >> > have

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel

> >> >> > Free

> >> >> > to

> >> >> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I

> >> >> > will

> >> >> > wait

> >> >> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also,

> >> >> > folks

> >> >> > please

> >> >> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done

> >> >> > this

> >> >> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in

> >> >> > plain

> >> >> > text

> >> >> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

> >> >> >

> >> >> > "Jay" wrote:

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back.

> >> >> >> This

> >> >> >> bad

> >> >> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

> >> >> >> technology

> >> >> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this

> >> >> >> issue,

> >> >> >> but

> >> >> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop

> >> >> >> me

> >> >> >> a

> >> >> >> line

> >> >> >> to

> >> >> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

> >> >> >> district

> >> >> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower

> >> >> >> than

> >> >> >> XP,

> >> >> >> but

> >> >> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> "Dan" wrote:

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a

> >> >> >> > public

> >> >> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and

> >> >> >> > reinstalling

> >> >> >> > Windows 98

> >> >> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will

> >> >> >> > still

> >> >> >> > take a

> >> >> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on

> >> >> >> > Windows

> >> >> >> > 9x

> >> >> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology.

> >> >> >> > Who

> >> >> >> > knows

> >> >> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into

> >> >> >> > the

> >> >> >> > venture

> >> >> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

> >> >> >> > Professional

> >> >> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is

> >> >> >> > that

> >> >> >> > people

> >> >> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

> >> >> >> > viruses,

> >> >> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is

> >> >> >> > even a

> >> >> >> > case of

> >> >> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and

> >> >> >> > is a

> >> >> >> > classic

> >> >> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed

> >> >> >> > all

> >> >> >> > their

> >> >> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The

> >> >> >> > name

> >> >> >> > was

> >> >> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11

> >> >> >> > years.

> >> >> >> > I tell

> >> >> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will

> >> >> >> > comment

> >> >> >> > about the

> >> >> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his

> >> >> >> > name

> >> >> >> > and

> >> >> >> > he

> >> >> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people.

> >> >> >> > How

> >> >> >> > is the

> >> >> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked

> >> >> >> > a

> >> >> >> > 10

> >> >> >> > hour

> >> >> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on

> >> >> >> > the

> >> >> >> > computer

> >> >> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > "Jay" wrote:

> >> >> >> >

> >> >> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They

> >> >> >> > > used

> >> >> >> > > to be

> >> >> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the

> >> >> >> > > network

> >> >> >> > > when they

> >> >> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as

> >> >> >> > > stand-alone

> >> >> >> > > machines,

> >> >> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

> >> >> >> > > They're not

> >> >> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

> >> >> >> > > reformatting, and

> >> >> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

> >> >> >> > > administration had me

> >> >> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there

> >> >> >> > > are

> >> >> >> > > all these

> >> >> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get

> >> >> >> > > the

> >> >> >> > > kids to the

> >> >> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or

> >> >> >> > > other

> >> >> >> > > distractions.

> >> >> >> > >

> >> >> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

> >> >> >> > > registry,

> >> >> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of

> >> >> >> > > quick

> >> >> >> > > thing I

> >> >> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs?

> >> >> >> > > It's

> >> >> >> > > hard to

> >> >> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they

> >> >> >> > > "think"

> >> >> >> > > they

> >> >> >> > > still are...

> >> >> >> > >

> >> >> >> > > Thanks again,

> >> >> >> > > Jay

> >> >> >> > >

> >> >> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >> >> >> > >

> >> >> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

> >> >> >> > > > recommend

> >> >> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already

> >> >> >> > > > run

> >> >> >> > > > into a few

> >> >> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the

> >> >> >> > > > problems

> >> >> >> > > > you'll run

> >> >> >> > > > into while using those machines.

> >> >> >> > > >

> >> >> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled

> >> >> >> > > > network,

> >> >> >> > > > what are

> >> >> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are

> >> >> >> > > > you

> >> >> >> > > > going to

> >> >> >> > > > distribute them to others?

> >> >> >> > > >

> >> >> >> > > > --

> >> >> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

> >> >> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> >> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

> >> >> >> > > >

> >> >> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> >> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> >> >> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread

> >> >> >> > > > > started

August 21, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

Well, Gary --- I got the usual notice from Africa that is fraudulent about

money down there but that was about it as far as spam so far. <wink and grin>

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's the

> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

>

> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing lists

> increase dramatically.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think much

> > of

> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to have

> > the

> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel Free

> > to

> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I will

> > wait

> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks

> > please

> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done this

> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain

> > text

> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

> >

> > "Jay" wrote:

> >

> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This bad

> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

> >>

> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

> >> technology

> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this issue,

> >> but

> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me a

> >> line

> >> to

> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

> >>

> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

> >> district

> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than XP,

> >> but

> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

> >>

> >> "Dan" wrote:

> >>

> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a public

> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling

> >> > Windows 98

> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will still

> >> > take a

> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on Windows

> >> > 9x

> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who

> >> > knows

> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the

> >> > venture

> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

> >> > Professional

> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that

> >> > people

> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

> >> > viruses,

> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a

> >> > case of

> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a

> >> > classic

> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed all

> >> > their

> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name was

> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11 years.

> >> > I tell

> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment

> >> > about the

> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name and

> >> > he

> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people. How

> >> > is the

> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a 10

> >> > hour

> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the

> >> > computer

> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

> >> >

> >> > "Jay" wrote:

> >> >

> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They used

> >> > > to be

> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network

> >> > > when they

> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

> >> > > machines,

> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

> >> > > They're not

> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

> >> > > reformatting, and

> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

> >> > > administration had me

> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there are

> >> > > all these

> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the

> >> > > kids to the

> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

> >> > > distractions.

> >> > >

> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

> >> > > registry,

> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick

> >> > > thing I

> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's

> >> > > hard to

> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they "think"

> >> > > they

> >> > > still are...

> >> > >

> >> > > Thanks again,

> >> > > Jay

> >> > >

> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >> > >

> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

> >> > > > recommend

> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run

> >> > > > into a few

> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems

> >> > > > you'll run

> >> > > > into while using those machines.

> >> > > >

> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network,

> >> > > > what are

> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are you

> >> > > > going to

> >> > > > distribute them to others?

> >> > > >

> >> > > > --

> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

> >> > > >

> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

> >> > > > > 07/21/07,

> >> > > > > and

> >> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several

> >> > > > > old Win98

> >> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're stand-alones,

> >> > > > > but they

> >> > > > > keep

> >> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything or

> >> > > > > nothing at

> >> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old network

> >> > > > > days

> >> > > > > saying

> >> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

> >> > > > > "administrator"

> >> > > > > locked

> >> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the thing

> >> > > > > from

> >> > > > > asking

> >> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

> >> > > > > install some

> >> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it without

> >> > > > > going

> >> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then

> >> > > > > Settings, I

> >> > > > > get

> >> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this

> >> > > > > folder.

> >> > > > > Also,

> >> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

> >> > > > > screensaver and

> >> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> >> > > > >

> >> > > > > Thanks,

> >> > > >

>

August 21, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

I didn't have problems for years, but then I was using an MVP server and

they had a real good, hands-on SPAM filtering system. (Important that real

people were involved.) Then they moved the servers and their SPAM filters

couldn't move with them.. Discovered they were filtering about a thousand

messages per day, and now I get them all... Well, that's not true, I

cancelled those accounts.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:53B4DEFF-38AA-48E1-844C-938A1CFB9816@microsoft.com...

> Well, Gary --- I got the usual notice from Africa that is fraudulent about

> money down there but that was about it as far as spam so far. <wink and

> grin>

>

> "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>

>> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's

>> the

>> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

>> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

>> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

>>

>> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

>> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing

>> lists

>> increase dramatically.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> news:F1A18C5B-26C7-403B-8568-9A4030DE4B2E@microsoft.com...

>> > Don't let the IT guys fool you and the reason that they don't think

>> > much

>> > of

>> > 98SE is that it is old but mainly because it will not allow them to

>> > have

>> > the

>> > remote access that they want and can get with XP Professional. Feel

>> > Free

>> > to

>> > write me at dewsky1975@hotmail.com. Please just remove the sky. I

>> > will

>> > wait

>> > for your email since this is your issue and not my issue. Also, folks

>> > please

>> > don't post about me giving a valid email address because I have done

>> > this

>> > before and I take proper security precautions such as reading in plain

>> > text

>> > and not opening untrusted attachments.

>> >

>> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >

>> >> Hey, Dan. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for writing back. This

>> >> bad

>> >> situation just seems to be going from bad to worse in a hurry...

>> >>

>> >> Anyway, I'd love to trade emails, goofy stories about the fun of

>> >> technology

>> >> in the public schools, maybe even get into more specifics of this

>> >> issue,

>> >> but

>> >> I don't want to hijack the thread here. If you get a chance, drop me

>> >> a

>> >> line

>> >> to

>> >> j_a_loving_dad@yahoo.com.

>> >>

>> >> Thanks again...at this point I'm going to get the IT people at the

>> >> district

>> >> involved. They've kind of washed their hands of anything lower than

>> >> XP,

>> >> but

>> >> maybe they can conjure up an old password or something.

>> >>

>> >> "Dan" wrote:

>> >>

>> >> > I work in a school environment as well. If you are working in a

>> >> > public

>> >> > school like I am then it is well worth formatting and reinstalling

>> >> > Windows 98

>> >> > especially if it is 98 Second Edition. I have a plan that will

>> >> > still

>> >> > take a

>> >> > while to come to being about having a tri-source code based on

>> >> > Windows

>> >> > 9x

>> >> > technology, Windows NT technology and Open Source technology. Who

>> >> > knows

>> >> > maybe Apple will be willing to put some of their technology into the

>> >> > venture

>> >> > too but I doubt it. In addition, our primary machines are XP

>> >> > Professional

>> >> > that are so much more annoying then 98SE. The reason being is that

>> >> > people

>> >> > have hacked their way through the remote access points and plant

>> >> > viruses,

>> >> > spyware, adware, trojans, etc. At my current school there is even a

>> >> > case of

>> >> > a fraudulent account that was set up in someone else's name and is a

>> >> > classic

>> >> > case of identity theft. The person has been notified and changed

>> >> > all

>> >> > their

>> >> > passwords and is on the alert for any potential problems. The name

>> >> > was

>> >> > exactly her name and she worked for the school district for 11

>> >> > years.

>> >> > I tell

>> >> > you Chris Quirke, MVP knows his stuff and hopefully he will comment

>> >> > about the

>> >> > dangers and problems of remote access. If not then google his name

>> >> > and

>> >> > he

>> >> > has a blog with lots of wonderful information to help IT people.

>> >> > How

>> >> > is the

>> >> > start of school for you. It is really rough on my end. I worked a

>> >> > 10

>> >> > hour

>> >> > day a few days ago and there is still so much work to be done on the

>> >> > computer

>> >> > network that was basically unmanned during the summer.

>> >> >

>> >> > "Jay" wrote:

>> >> >

>> >> > > Thanks for writing back. These machines are in a school. They

>> >> > > used

>> >> > > to be

>> >> > > networked, but the district de-commissioned them from the network

>> >> > > when they

>> >> > > moved to XP. Now, they're all in a room being used as stand-alone

>> >> > > machines,

>> >> > > for students to run tutorial programs, do word processing, etc.

>> >> > > They're not

>> >> > > really worth the trouble of doing major reinstallation and

>> >> > > reformatting, and

>> >> > > they're not going to be around much longer. The school

>> >> > > administration had me

>> >> > > set them up for this year for some tutorial programs, but there

>> >> > > are

>> >> > > all these

>> >> > > silly details cropping up. My goal is to just be able to get the

>> >> > > kids to the

>> >> > > usual Windows 98 desktop with no passwords or extra steps or other

>> >> > > distractions.

>> >> > >

>> >> > > I saw a couple of KB articles dealing with this problem and the

>> >> > > registry,

>> >> > > but haven't read them in detail. Is there just some kind of quick

>> >> > > thing I

>> >> > > can delete or reset that will erase those networking prefs? It's

>> >> > > hard to

>> >> > > believe that once these machines have been on a network, they

>> >> > > "think"

>> >> > > they

>> >> > > still are...

>> >> > >

>> >> > > Thanks again,

>> >> > > Jay

>> >> > >

>> >> > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

>> >> > >

>> >> > > > I don't have a specific answer for you, but I would STRONGLY

>> >> > > > recommend

>> >> > > > reformatting and reinstalling those machines. You've already run

>> >> > > > into a few

>> >> > > > problems, and I suggest that that isn't the end of the problems

>> >> > > > you'll run

>> >> > > > into while using those machines.

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > If you aren't using the machines on a domain-controlled network,

>> >> > > > what are

>> >> > > > their newly intended purposes? You going to keep them, or are

>> >> > > > you

>> >> > > > going to

>> >> > > > distribute them to others?

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > --

>> >> > > > Gary S. Terhune

>> >> > > > MS-MVP Shell/User

>> >> > > > http://www.grystmill.com

>> >> > > >

>> >> > > > "Jay" <Jay@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

>> >> > > > news:AF84D651-FDF1-47ED-BBCA-265D3FE50E76@microsoft.com...

>> >> > > > > Greetings! I'm posting this after reading the thread started

>> >> > > > > 07/21/07,

>> >> > > > > and

>> >> > > > > not having any success with those suggestions. I have several

>> >> > > > > old Win98

>> >> > > > > machines which used to be networked. Now they're

>> >> > > > > stand-alones,

>> >> > > > > but they

>> >> > > > > keep

>> >> > > > > asking for the username and password. If I type in anything

>> >> > > > > or

>> >> > > > > nothing at

>> >> > > > > all and click OK, I get a residual message from the old

>> >> > > > > network

>> >> > > > > days

>> >> > > > > saying

>> >> > > > > that the default desktop will be loaded. The previous

>> >> > > > > "administrator"

>> >> > > > > locked

>> >> > > > > out the Control Panels, and now not only can't I stop the

>> >> > > > > thing

>> >> > > > > from

>> >> > > > > asking

>> >> > > > > for usernames and passwords, I can't adjust any settings or

>> >> > > > > install some

>> >> > > > > software I need on them. Is there some way to reset it

>> >> > > > > without

>> >> > > > > going

>> >> > > > > directly to the Control Panels? When I click on Start, then

>> >> > > > > Settings, I

>> >> > > > > get

>> >> > > > > a message saying the administrator has blocked access to this

>> >> > > > > folder.

>> >> > > > > Also,

>> >> > > > > on another machine, someone put on the Windows Channels

>> >> > > > > screensaver and

>> >> > > > > passworded it, so now I'm stuck there.

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>> >> > > > >

>> >> > > > > Thanks,

>> >> > > >

>>

August 22, 2007

Re: More Network Password Issues

LOL, I now have 5 email accounts and have not yet been forced to cancel one.

You know how I am and take everything so personally and then go into attack

and defense mode. AKA The Danster or Danbo mode --- <giggle>

"Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> I didn't have problems for years, but then I was using an MVP server and

> they had a real good, hands-on SPAM filtering system. (Important that real

> people were involved.) Then they moved the servers and their SPAM filters

> couldn't move with them.. Discovered they were filtering about a thousand

> messages per day, and now I get them all... Well, that's not true, I

> cancelled those accounts.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:53B4DEFF-38AA-48E1-844C-938A1CFB9816@microsoft.com...

> > Well, Gary --- I got the usual notice from Africa that is fraudulent about

> > money down there but that was about it as far as spam so far. <wink and

> > grin>

> >

> > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote:

> >

> >> Just because you "take proper...precautions" doesn't mean anything. It's

> >> the

> >> *amount* of SPAM that's the issue. SPAM filters are only so effective. At

> >> some point, you either have to let too much pass or use a pure whitelist

> >> method, one that I find to be incredibly inconvenient.

> >>

> >> Oh well, it's easy to munge an address, but that's your choice. Just know

> >> that the more you do it, the chances of ending up on several mailing

> >> lists

> >> increase dramatically.

> >>

> >> --

> >> Gary S. Terhune

> >> MS-MVP Shell/User