Guest Teflon Posted August 18, 2007 Posted August 18, 2007 While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.) the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes. I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came up with this plan to clone the C: drive: Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external enclosure. Connect the enclosure to my XP system. Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP system. Reinstall HDD in laptop. Clean install of SE. I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any 'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and restore FE. Thanks in advance for your time. Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated.
Guest philo Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187459724.767084.121890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I > have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.) > the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the > upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes. > > I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came > up with this plan to clone the C: drive: > > Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external > enclosure. > > Connect the enclosure to my XP system. > > Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP > system. > > Reinstall HDD in laptop. > > Clean install of SE. > > I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any > 'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other > helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure > I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and > restore FE. > > Thanks in advance for your time. > > Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated. > As long as Ghost recognizes the external USB drive ...you should be OK but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go with SE??? Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it) that is at least a still supported OS
Guest Teflon Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade > but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go > with SE??? The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE. > Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with > Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it) That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3 processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no money. > that is at least a still supported OS- Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it works. Thanks for your thoughts.
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Hi Teflon, You shouldn't have any problem running SE. I ran it for several years with a Pentium Overdrive processor @ 100 MHz (basically a souped-up 486), and 32 MB RAM. It wasn't blazing fast, but it worked very well. -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187487622.521901.87360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... | | > but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go | > with SE??? | | The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for | those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash | Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the | minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE. | | > Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with | > Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it) | | That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3 | processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And | I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no | money. | | > that is at least a still supported OS- | | Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it | works. | | Thanks for your thoughts. | | |
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Don't know why you'd want to clone the HD. Or do you mean "image"? Cloning creates a partition or disk that is exactly the same as the original, right down to being bootable (though not usually from an external drive.) What you want it to create an image file that can be restored to the original HD if something goes wrong. If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis True Image. Upgrading from FE to SE is *usually* not problematic. But with an image you can restore if necessary, you've covered your butt just fine. If you still feel nervous, create TWO image files. One will fit on a DVD (much easier to restore, don't have to swap the HD again), the other you can store on the external HD in case the DVD breaks or is otherwise corrupted. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187459724.767084.121890@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > While I would like the USB and other upgraded support options of SE, I > have been putting off upgrading to SE on an older laptop, because, 1.) > the FE config is running great & 2.) if anything goes wrong with the > upgrade, I don't look forward to reinstalling FE with all the fixes. > > I don't have an external HDD or a CD burner on the system, so I came > up with this plan to clone the C: drive: > > Remove the HDD from the laptop and install it in a USB external > enclosure. > > Connect the enclosure to my XP system. > > Run Ghost to clone the C: drive to an external HDD attached to the XP > system. > > Reinstall HDD in laptop. > > Clean install of SE. > > I would appreciate knowing if this is doable, if there are any > 'gotchas' waiting for me along this path, and if there are any other > helpful hints and advice from the experts that will help me make sure > I have a clone that can be reloaded by reversing the process and > restore FE. > > Thanks in advance for your time. > > Pointing me to relevent info would also be appreciated. >
Guest RMD Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis >True Image. I'm pretty sure True Image won't work with the low amount of RAM he has in his system. Ross
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "RMD" <ebff_qnyl@lnubb.pbz> wrote in message news:46c7ca5d.4741109@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis >>True Image. > > I'm pretty sure True Image won't work with the low amount of RAM he > has in his system. > > Ross >
Guest philo Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187487622.521901.87360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > >> but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go >> with SE??? > > The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for > those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash > Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the > minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE. > >> Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with >> Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it) > > That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3 > processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And > I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no > money. > >> that is at least a still supported OS- > > Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it > works. > > Thanks for your thoughts. > Good idea to backup of course...but an upgrade from win98 to win98se should not cause any problems... as to win2k...though a P-III is fine...yes, you'd really need more ram... \so win98se should be fine
Guest Dan Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000 is much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as compared to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so much potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product or perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am working on this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it happens at all. "philo" wrote: > > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1187487622.521901.87360@x35g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > > > >> but heck, if your present installation is working fine...why bother to go > >> with SE??? > > > > The only reasons are to get SE's USB and device driver support for > > those hardware devices (like an external HDD, a DVD burner, USB Flash > > Drive, etc., etc., etc.) and the software apps whose specs state the > > minimum OS is Win98SE. Other than that, I'm good with FE. > > > >> Were I going to upgrade (clean install) the OS...I'd probably go with > >> Win2k...(If your machine specs can handle it) > > > > That is the second restrictor. With 96 MB of RAM, a Pentium 3 > > processor and a 4GB HDD, it will be struggling to run Win98SE. And > > I'm not putting any money into this old beater. Got time, but no > > money. > > > >> that is at least a still supported OS- > > > > Yeah, but I got you guys, plus a copy of SE. It's a no-brainer, if it > > works. > > > > Thanks for your thoughts. > > > > > Good idea to backup of course...but an upgrade from win98 to win98se should > not cause any problems... > > as to win2k...though a P-III is fine...yes, you'd really need more ram... > \so win98se should be fine > > >
Guest Dan Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade I agree that BING was very useful although I have only used it briefly for a trial period in the past. It looks like a really awesome product. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: > Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost will > run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is > using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run on > the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "RMD" <ebff_qnyl@lnubb.pbz> wrote in message > news:46c7ca5d.4741109@news-server.bigpond.net.au... > > If you already have Ghost, fine, but I prefer Acronis > >>True Image. > > > > I'm pretty sure True Image won't work with the low amount of RAM he > > has in his system. > > > > Ross > > > > >
Guest Teflon Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost will > run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is > using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run on > the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG. Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back) purposes. I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a problem? Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that. Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade (Responses Inline) "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of Ghost >> will >> run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy copy. However, OP is >> using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the imaging app needs to run >> on >> the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend BootIt NG. > > Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on > Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). That image often comes to my mind as well. > Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or > True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM > drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that > machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the > only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two > confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's > more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back) > purposes. One thing about using XP -- when you allow XP to access a partition, it automatically creates a few things that you don't really want or need on your 98 machine. A differently named recycle Bin is one (IIRC, the actual folder represented by the RB is called Recycled in 9x, Recycler in XP.) There are also one or more super-hidden folders containing meta-data that, while causing no problems on 9x, might cause consternation. In some cases, due to security structures in XP, you might find that you CAN'T delete stuff that XP put there. With great care, delete the stuff that XP adds once you've restored the drive to the 98 machine and before upgrading to SE (if you can delete them, of course.) Or, run the imaging program from a bootable utility disk and never boot to XP while the drive is connected. I don't know about Ghost, but I *think* the True Image Home Edition has such capabilities (I use a corporate edition that provides a couple of ways to do this, either using their own bootable CD OS or using Bart's PE.) Or, as I already suggested, you could use BootIt NG. > I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an > image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to > transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 > machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a > problem? Again, I don't know about Ghost, but BING and TrueImage can use multiple CDs. > Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. You're welcome. > One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of > reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably > not, or someone probably would have suggested that. While a "clean" install is almost always preferred, upgrading from FE to SE is the safest of all Windows OS upgrades. As always, when messing with the OS, you want to immediately go to Windows Updates when you're finished. Note that simply upgrading to SE won't require that you reinstall ALL of the Updates. Many will survive intact, while others that only apply to SE, or that are broken by the upgrade, will need to be installed/reinstalled. Yes, to be honest, I don't completely trust this design to catch the Updates that have been broken, which is why I much prefer clean installs. That and the fact that I actually enjoy installing and configuring Windows and apps, and I always make sure to keep copies of installers and registration info, going back to '96, when I first got seriously involved with computers. In many cases, particularly with purchased apps, I keep multiple copies. Of course, your wife might not be as accomodating as mine when it comes to boxes full of CDs and DVDs. (I also subscribe to MSDN, and that has generated several boxes of disks over the years.) > Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found > the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. Nothing dumb about your questions. It's been a pleasure to answer them. Just hope I didn't go too wrong anywhere, <s>. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com
Guest PCR Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the |> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend |> BootIt NG. | | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). | | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or | True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM | drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that | machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the | only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two | confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's | more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back) | purposes. Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed. | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a | problem? | | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. | | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of | reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably | not, or someone probably would have suggested that. | | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating. 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD. My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com > | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of > |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy > |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the > |> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend > |> BootIt NG. > | > | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on > | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). > | > | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or > | True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM > | drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that > | machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the > | only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two > | confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's > | more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back) > | purposes. > > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE > connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive > connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard? > That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD > as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture > altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your > D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second HDD > permanently installed. > > | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an > | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to > | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 > | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a > | problem? > | > | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. > | > | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of > | reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably > | not, or someone probably would have suggested that. > | > | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found > | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > >
Guest PCR Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating. Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling! | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a | bootable CD. BING is good enough for it, then... http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the secret folders it may create. | -- | Gary S. Terhune | MS-MVP Shell/User | http://www.grystmill.com | | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd |> |> recommend BootIt NG. |> | |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). |> | |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup |> | (fall-back) purposes. |> |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that! |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed. |> |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be |> | a problem? |> | |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. |> | |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that. |> | |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. |> |> -- |> Thanks or Good Luck, |> There may be humor in this post, and, |> Naturally, you will not sue, |> Should things get worse after this, |> PCR |> pcrrcp@netzero.net -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest philo Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0EC79EC6-012E-4BCE-8E64-32FBA1D728A9@microsoft.com... > Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000 is > much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as compared > to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x > technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the > surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so much > potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product or > perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am working on > this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it happens > at all. > True Win98 and Win2k are two entirely different operating systems...but because the use essentially the same GUI... anyone who can use win98 should have no problems using Win2k. Though, through the years I've upgraded my hardware...I eventually switched , for the most part, to Win2k simply because it's more stable than win98...however I never wanted to give up win98 entirely as some of the older apps and dos apps run better on win98 for sure. With my last hardware upgrade...win98 did not survive. I could not get it to work with my new equipment. What I did was to clone it to another drive...then put that into an AMD-550 that has removable drive kits installed. In a short time I had my old win98 again up and running. Because of the removable drive kits I must have about 20 old operating systems saved... going back to win3x, OS2, NT3.5 etc.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade I wouldn't call the GUIs the same, or even similar. No more so than WinXP's "Classic" view. Sure, they *look* similar, but actually using those GUIs is quite different. Win2K is MUCH closer to WinXP in that sense. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message news:OWTp1np4HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:0EC79EC6-012E-4BCE-8E64-32FBA1D728A9@microsoft.com... >> Remember philo that each operating system has its own uses. Windows 2000 > is >> much more business orientated and centered around NT technology as > compared >> to Windows 98 Second Edition which is consumer orientated and based on 9x >> technology although it was a big hit with businesses also much to the >> surprise of Microsoft. This is a key in realizing why there is still so > much >> potential to the 9x source code. I hope eventually a combination product > or >> perhaps another 9x product will come out to the marketplace. I am >> working > on >> this but it will most likely take years to see the light of day if it > happens >> at all. >> > > True Win98 and Win2k are two entirely different operating systems...but > because the use essentially the same GUI... > anyone who can use win98 should have no problems using Win2k. > > Though, through the years I've upgraded my hardware...I eventually > switched > , for the most part, to Win2k simply because it's more stable than > win98...however I never wanted to give up win98 entirely as some of the > older apps and dos apps run better on win98 for sure. > > With my last hardware upgrade...win98 did not survive. I could not get it > to > work with my new equipment. > What I did was to clone it to another drive...then put that into an > AMD-550 > that has removable drive kits installed. > In a short time I had my old win98 again up and running. Because of the > removable drive kits I must have about 20 old operating systems saved... > going back to win3x, OS2, NT3.5 etc. > >
Guest philo Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:OuLEMwp4HHA.1484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I wouldn't call the GUIs the same, or even similar. No more so than WinXP's > "Classic" view. Sure, they *look* similar, but actually using those GUIs is > quite different. Win2K is MUCH closer to WinXP in that sense. I think that's what I meant. Though I'm sure the coding for win98's GUI as compared to Win2k are different... I doubt if anyone switching from win98 to Win2k would have a problem with usage. As to XP...Win2k and XP are pretty much the same OS ...other than activation of course... the main advantage to XP is the greater driver base.
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Us XP users *love* our secrets! -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl || 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then || again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want || one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo || supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of || incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating. | | Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait | for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling! | || 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run || on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a || bootable CD. | | BING is good enough for it, then... | | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup | capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to | HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without | data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. | || My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold || images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the || equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk || connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. | | I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day | anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the | secret folders it may create. | || -- || Gary S. Terhune || MS-MVP Shell/User || http://www.grystmill.com || || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message || news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... ||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message ||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com ||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: ||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of ||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy ||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If ||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd ||> |> recommend BootIt NG. ||> | ||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on ||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). ||> | ||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost ||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to ||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is ||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got ||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP ||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup ||> | (fall-back) purposes. ||> ||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary ||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD ||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the ||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to ||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine ||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that! ||> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if ||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed. ||> ||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an ||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to ||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 ||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be ||> | a problem? ||> | ||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. ||> | ||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort ||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? ||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that. ||> | ||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found ||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. ||> ||> -- ||> Thanks or Good Luck, ||> There may be humor in this post, and, ||> Naturally, you will not sue, ||> Should things get worse after this, ||> PCR ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net | | -- | Thanks or Good Luck, | There may be humor in this post, and, | Naturally, you will not sue, | Should things get worse after this, | PCR | pcrrcp@netzero.net | |
Guest Dan Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade <snipped for length concerns> Hey Gary, I am a technet subscriber and have considered becoming a technet plus subscriber. Is it honesty worth $500? BTW, what did you do to become a MSDN subscriber and what does that offer? In addition, I still have my 98 update cd that has come in very handy to upgrade 98 Second Edition to the B version from the A version. I actually ended up with 2 copies due to a glitch, I think. I ordered one as Dan and another as Daniel and got 2 copies. I ordered a second time because I thought the first order got lost and figured requesting a 2 copy would be the easiest way to make sure I got the cd. Do you know if Microsoft offers that cd anymore for people like the OP that could make it easier to update 98 S.E. to Internet Explorer 6 to allow for use with Windows Update. You also get WMP 9 whether you want it or not. I have never had too much of an issue with WMP 9, personally. Thanks in advance for the replies.
Guest Dan Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Well, as long as the OP has a hard drive with less than 137 gigabytes for 98 S.E. then Teflon should be fine. I have heard a controller card can allow the OP to get around this barrier but I have not tried it myself. "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: > 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then again, > sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want one that's > fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo supporting large > drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of incompatibility can be > EXTREMELY frustrating. > > 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run on the > 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a bootable CD. > > My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold > images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the > equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk > connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com > > | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > > |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of > > |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy > > |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If the > > |> imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd recommend > > |> BootIt NG. > > | > > | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on > > | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). > > | > > | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost or > > | True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD ROM > > | drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to that > > | machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is full, the > > | only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got those two > > | confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP machine's > > | more robust facilities to create that image for backup (fall-back) > > | purposes. > > > > Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary IDE > > connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD drive > > connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the motherboard? > > That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to connect a second HDD > > as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine out of the picture > > altogether! I have a master on how to do that! Probably, when done, your > > D:partition will become E:partition, if you elect to keep the second HDD > > permanently installed. > > > > | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an > > | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to > > | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 > > | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be a > > | problem? > > | > > | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. > > | > > | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort of > > | reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? Probably > > | not, or someone probably would have suggested that. > > | > > | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found > > | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. > > > > -- > > Thanks or Good Luck, > > There may be humor in this post, and, > > Naturally, you will not sue, > > Should things get worse after this, > > PCR > > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > > > > > >
Guest Dan Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade The question that I ask is if you reveal all files in XP Professional does it really reveal all the files or still keep some secret. I have heard with 98SE when you reveal all the files then it actually reveals them. I still see 98SE and the 9x source code as being the superior source code in terms of compatibility and working with APS has shown me how APS still needs and uses old 98SE computers for all of their older software that has cost too much to get rid of. Now if Microsoft would only listen to me and realize they made a mistake by elimating the 9x line then maybe things would be better. I am now using Millenium at work and it is not terrible. It is stupid that Microsoft removed the easy access to MS-DOS from Millenium. In addition, some of the tabing issues and style issues of ME irritate me. I may just have to format the ME machine and install 98 Second Edition on it. I already have some valid and legal copies of 98 Second Edition and could always buy more on Ebay if it becomes necessary. Heck, I think 98 SE still has some life in it left despite the fact that support was elimated by Microsoft on July 11, 2006. 98SE is still a killer operating system in my opinion and the best operating system Microsoft has to offer. XP Professional would be my second choice after 98SE with Microsoft operating systems. "PCR" wrote: > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > | 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then > | again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want > | one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo > | supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of > | incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating. > > Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait > for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling! > > | 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run > | on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a > | bootable CD. > > BING is good enough for it, then... > > http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup > capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to > HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without > data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. > > | My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold > | images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the > | equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk > | connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. > > I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day > anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the > secret folders it may create. > > | -- > | Gary S. Terhune > | MS-MVP Shell/User > | http://www.grystmill.com > | > | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > | news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > |> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message > |> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com > |> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > |> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of > |> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy > |> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If > |> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd > |> |> recommend BootIt NG. > |> | > |> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on > |> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). > |> | > |> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost > |> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD > |> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to > |> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is > |> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got > |> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP > |> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup > |> | (fall-back) purposes. > |> > |> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary > |> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD > |> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the > |> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to > |> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine > |> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that! > |> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if > |> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed. > |> > |> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an > |> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to > |> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 > |> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be > |> | a problem? > |> | > |> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. > |> | > |> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort > |> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? > |> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that. > |> | > |> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found > |> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. > |> > |> -- > |> Thanks or Good Luck, > |> There may be humor in this post, and, > |> Naturally, you will not sue, > |> Should things get worse after this, > |> PCR > |> pcrrcp@netzero.net > > -- > Thanks or Good Luck, > There may be humor in this post, and, > Naturally, you will not sue, > Should things get worse after this, > PCR > pcrrcp@netzero.net > > >
Guest Dan Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Now, now we can't have "too many secrets" now can we. Anyone catch the movie reference between the quotes. Hint it is an older movie and I think it is from the 1980's. "Curt Christianson" wrote: > Us XP users *love* our secrets! > > -- > HTH, > Curt > > Windows Support Center > http://www.aumha.org > Practically Nerded,... > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm > > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > | news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl > || 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then > || again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want > || one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo > || supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of > || incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating. > | > | Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait > | for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling! > | > || 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run > || on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a > || bootable CD. > | > | BING is good enough for it, then... > | > | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup > | capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to > | HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without > | data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. > | > || My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold > || images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the > || equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk > || connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. > | > | I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day > | anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the > | secret folders it may create. > | > || -- > || Gary S. Terhune > || MS-MVP Shell/User > || http://www.grystmill.com > || > || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message > || news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > ||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message > ||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com > ||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > ||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of > ||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy > ||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If > ||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd > ||> |> recommend BootIt NG. > ||> | > ||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on > ||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). > ||> | > ||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost > ||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD > ||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to > ||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is > ||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got > ||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP > ||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup > ||> | (fall-back) purposes. > ||> > ||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary > ||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD > ||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the > ||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to > ||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine > ||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that! > ||> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if > ||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed. > ||> > ||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an > ||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to > ||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 > ||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be > ||> | a problem? > ||> | > ||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. > ||> | > ||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort > ||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? > ||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that. > ||> | > ||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found > ||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. > ||> > ||> -- > ||> Thanks or Good Luck, > ||> There may be humor in this post, and, > ||> Naturally, you will not sue, > ||> Should things get worse after this, > ||> PCR > ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net > | > | -- > | Thanks or Good Luck, > | There may be humor in this post, and, > | Naturally, you will not sue, > | Should things get worse after this, > | PCR > | pcrrcp@netzero.net > | > | > > >
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade I don't remember too much from the 1980's Dan. I think I was in the midst of a decade-long blackout. -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:3B9514A1-E2E4-40B1-A909-BB7FCE80BED5@microsoft.com... | Now, now we can't have "too many secrets" now can we. Anyone catch the movie | reference between the quotes. Hint it is an older movie and I think it is | from the 1980's. | | "Curt Christianson" wrote: | | > Us XP users *love* our secrets! | > | > -- | > HTH, | > Curt | > | > Windows Support Center | > http://www.aumha.org | > Practically Nerded,... | > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm | > | > "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | > news:%23M59Qhp4HHA.5740@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message | > | news:e0G$qTp4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl | > || 1. He probably doesn't want the added expense of another HDD. Then | > || again, sounds like he could use one. Drives are cheap, but I'd want | > || one that's fairly small to avoid possible problems with the mobo | > || supporting large drives. Might be hard to find, and the issues of | > || incompatibility can be EXTREMELY frustrating. | > | | > | Understood. Still, Teflon may as well face those issues now-- & not wait | > | for the day an HDD crash puts his head through the ceiling! | > | | > || 2. Outside of using BING, he has no imaging app that will likely run | > || on the 98 machine, whether it's run from Windows or run from a | > || bootable CD. | > | | > | BING is good enough for it, then... | > | | > | http://www.bootitng.com/ 's BootIt NG, has a variety of backup | > | capabilities & works with all OS: Copy partition(s) to HDD, or Image to | > | HDD or to CD or DVD. Create, move, shrink or expand partitions without | > | data loss. Multi-boot too. To install & use beyond 30 days, $34.95. | > | | > || My ideal solution would be another HD (one that's large enough to hold | > || images of C: and D:) and BING. Partition letters don't enter into the | > || equation, since the machine never needs to be booted with the disk | > || connected. But Teflon sounds like he has a decent plan, already. | > | | > | I guess his plan is a good one, except he'll need that 2nd HDD some day | > | anyhow. And there is the caveat you did bring up about booting XP & the | > | secret folders it may create. | > | | > || -- | > || Gary S. Terhune | > || MS-MVP Shell/User | > || http://www.grystmill.com | > || | > || "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | > || news:%23AL0YGp4HHA.5852@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > ||> "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message | > ||> news:1187537643.175079.269170@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com | > ||> | On Aug 18, 9:56 pm, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: | > ||> |> Same applies to Ghost (more so -- I doubt any recent version of | > ||> |> Ghost will run on Win98, period.) Maybe OP already has a legacy | > ||> |> copy. However, OP is using a newer XP machine to do the task. If | > ||> |> the imaging app needs to run on the Win98 machine, then I'd | > ||> |> recommend BootIt NG. | > ||> | | > ||> | Being referred to as OP always makes me think I'm Ron Howard on | > ||> | Mayberry RFD with Andy Griffith (don't I wish). | > ||> | | > ||> | Anyway, thanks for your input. I'm not going to try running Ghost | > ||> | or True Image on the 98FE machine. Since the machine only has a CD | > ||> | ROM drive, and I can't connect an external HDD or DVD burner to | > ||> | that machine, plus the partitioned internal HDD's D: drive is | > ||> | full, the only option I saw to get an 'image / clone' (always got | > ||> | those two confused) of the C: drive was to remove it and use my XP | > ||> | machine's more robust facilities to create that image for backup | > ||> | (fall-back) purposes. | > ||> | > ||> Are C:\ & D:\ two partitions on a single master HDD on the Primary | > ||> IDE connector of the motherboard in the 98FE machine? And is the CD | > ||> drive connected as a master on the Secondary IDE connector of the | > ||> motherboard? That's the setup I had! So... a second option is to | > ||> connect a second HDD as a slave to the first & cut the XP-machine | > ||> out of the picture altogether! I have a master on how to do that! | > ||> Probably, when done, your D:partition will become E:partition, if | > ||> you elect to keep the second HDD permanently installed. | > ||> | > ||> | I do have both Ghost and True Image, so will try both to create an | > ||> | image on the external HDD, then burn them to DVD. Will have to | > ||> | transfer to several CD's if I do need to fall-back, since the 98 | > ||> | machine only has CD ROM and floppy drives. Would multiple CD's be | > ||> | a problem? | > ||> | | > ||> | Thanks again for your comments and suggestions. | > ||> | | > ||> | One other question, could I install SE over FE and save the effort | > ||> | of reapplying all the MS fixes and reinstalling all the apps? | > ||> | Probably not, or someone probably would have suggested that. | > ||> | | > ||> | Some may consider that to be a really dumb question, but I've found | > ||> | the only really dumb question is the one that isn't asked. | > ||> | > ||> -- | > ||> Thanks or Good Luck, | > ||> There may be humor in this post, and, | > ||> Naturally, you will not sue, | > ||> Should things get worse after this, | > ||> PCR | > ||> pcrrcp@netzero.net | > | | > | -- | > | Thanks or Good Luck, | > | There may be humor in this post, and, | > | Naturally, you will not sue, | > | Should things get worse after this, | > | PCR | > | pcrrcp@netzero.net | > | | > | | > | > | >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade I don't know what you mean, "how" did I subscribe to MSDN. I subscribed, period. No, MS does not offer the 98 to 98SE UPDATE CD anymore. You'd have to look around and find someone who has it and make a copy. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:B2160DDA-9EEC-47FC-9E76-492A7AF970FF@microsoft.com... > <snipped for length concerns> > > Hey Gary, I am a technet subscriber and have considered becoming a technet > plus subscriber. Is it honesty worth $500? BTW, what did you do to > become a > MSDN subscriber and what does that offer? In addition, I still have my 98 > update cd that has come in very handy to upgrade 98 Second Edition to the > B > version from the A version. I actually ended up with 2 copies due to a > glitch, I think. I ordered one as Dan and another as Daniel and got 2 > copies. I ordered a second time because I thought the first order got > lost > and figured requesting a 2 copy would be the easiest way to make sure I > got > the cd. Do you know if Microsoft offers that cd anymore for people like > the > OP that could make it easier to update 98 S.E. to Internet Explorer 6 to > allow for use with Windows Update. You also get WMP 9 whether you want it > or > not. I have never had too much of an issue with WMP 9, personally. > Thanks > in advance for the replies.
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