Guest Dan Posted August 26, 2007 Posted August 26, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Thanks for your input, Curt. It is the masses loss, then imo. "Curt Christianson" wrote: > Hi Dan, > > I understand your fondness of 98SE, and I wouldn't consider giving up my > copy. I'm currently using XP Pro because that is what was on the machine > when I got it. > > As far as others "jumping back on the 98 bandwagon", it ain't gonna happen. > For one thing, there aren't that many copies just floating around any > longer. Secondly, fewer and fewer applications will run on 98, and very > little hardware is marketed with 98 in mind. > > I kind of doubt MS will re-release W98, and that would be the only way it > could be available to "the masses" again. Besides, the masses are no longer > interested in 98. > > -- > Curt > > Windows Support Center > http://www.aumha.org > Practically Nerded,... > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm > > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:287AE979-0755-4B0F-A6FE-42F41ED6D06A@microsoft.com... > | Ah, thank you and that makes so much sense. When I helped test Vista > | Ultimate, 32 bit for Microsoft; I burned the ISO image from the website to > a > | DVD after I had downloaded the file. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner > as > | well. I really do enjoy dual-booting with XP Professional and 98 Second > | Edition. I was talking to Microsoft support recently and the engineer who > | said he was from India said that he did the same thing as I did with a > | dual-boot of 98SE and XP Pro. So it could be possible to remotely > transport > | someone's entire computer desktop via an ISO image to another computer and > | then setup the account on that other computer. Ah, now I see why Chris > | Quirke, MVP is so concerned about Windows XP Professional and the lack of > | maintance operating system like 98SE has with DOS. The way I see it now > is > | that XP has too many services and this makes it vulnerable. In addition, > XP > | Pro. has remote desktop while really nice for remote admin. it allows for > a > | vulnerability such as what happened at the school that I work at to > happen. > | 98SE is a closed system and has much more limited access by other people > | remotely. 98SE also has DOS which allows for people to use older programs > | and have great fun. Because, 98SE is tied with the 9x source code then > this > | allows for people and even schools to use older programs like games and > | educational software that will not run on XP. This is the reason that I > | think 98SE is a great operating system and hopefully people will see this > and > | jump back on the bandwagon by purchasing full copies of 98SE for dual-boot > | systems and to allow schools to use all of their older educational > software > | that otherwise would have to be thrown away. > | > | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: > | > | > An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension. You > can > | > do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an image of > a > | > hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to > | > transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the > internet, or > | > using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some utility > and > | > burn it to CDs or DVDs. > | > > | > No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation. > | > > | > -- > | > Gary S. Terhune > | > MS-MVP Shell/User > | > http://www.grystmill.com > | > > | > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > | > news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com... > | > > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html > | > > > | > > Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an > image > | > > of > | > > someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another > computer > | > > when > | > > they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote > access of > | > > XP > | > > Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure > the > | > > best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been > the > | > > most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups. > | > > > | > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: > | > > > | > >> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program > to > | > >> use > | > >> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage > media. I > | > >> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will > work > | > >> in > | > >> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I > don't > | > >> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for > it, > | > >> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free > for > | > >> the > | > >> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has > | > >> native > | > >> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO > | > >> file), > | > >> or to free space on the hard drive. > | > >> > | > >> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for > an > | > >> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and > writing > | > >> to > | > >> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using > some > | > >> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link. > Writing > | > >> the > | > >> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing > | > >> partition > | > >> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B. > | > >> > | > >> -- > | > >> Gary S. Terhune > | > >> MS-MVP Shell/User > | > >> http://www.grystmill.com > | > >> > | > >> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > >> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com... > | > >> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected > | > >> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable > cable, > | > >> > why not try it. You can get it and others at: > | > >> > > | > >> > http://vetusware.com/ > | > >> > > | > >> > Good luck! > | > >> > > | > >> > > | > >> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message > | > >> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... > | > >> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > | > >> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the > disk > | > >> > space, you > | > >> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any > | > >> > scheme that > | > >> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost > | > >> > bound to > | > >> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and > least > | > >> > reliable > | > >> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True > Image > | > >> > or Ghost > | > >> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I > | > >> > consider OK for > | > >> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image. > | > >> >> > > | > >> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? > | > >> > Does your > | > >> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports? > | > >> >> > > | > >> >> > -- > | > >> >> > Gary S. Terhune > | > >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com > | > >> >> > | > >> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but > does > | > >> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel > | > >> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB > | > >> > port, > | > >> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited > | > >> > resources. > | > >> >> > | > >> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a > | > >> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to > | > >> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped > | > >> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the > | > >> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile. > | > >> >> > | > >> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities? > | > >> >> > | > >> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition > | > >> > on > | > >> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition > | > >> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to > | > >> > create > | > >> >> the image. > | > >> >> > | > >> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, > more > | > >> > a > | > >> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise > and > | > >> >> observations is much appreciated. > | > >> >> > | > >> >> > | > >> > > | > >> > > | > >> > | > >> > | > >> > | > > | > > | > > > >
Guest Curt Christianson Posted August 27, 2007 Posted August 27, 2007 Re: Cloning Win98FE prior to SE upgrade Like I said Dan, if it weren't for the fact this machine already had XP, I'd be running 98. I was a diehard 98 person, and *hated* XP. Now that I've been running it for about 1 1/2 years, I've grown to like it. -- HTH, Curt Windows Support Center http://www.aumha.org Practically Nerded,... http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:39BD8AED-2D4C-45EF-B33F-86FF47F99472@microsoft.com... | Thanks for your input, Curt. It is the masses loss, then imo. | | "Curt Christianson" wrote: | | > Hi Dan, | > | > I understand your fondness of 98SE, and I wouldn't consider giving up my | > copy. I'm currently using XP Pro because that is what was on the machine | > when I got it. | > | > As far as others "jumping back on the 98 bandwagon", it ain't gonna happen. | > For one thing, there aren't that many copies just floating around any | > longer. Secondly, fewer and fewer applications will run on 98, and very | > little hardware is marketed with 98 in mind. | > | > I kind of doubt MS will re-release W98, and that would be the only way it | > could be available to "the masses" again. Besides, the masses are no longer | > interested in 98. | > | > -- | > Curt | > | > Windows Support Center | > http://www.aumha.org | > Practically Nerded,... | > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm | > | > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | > news:287AE979-0755-4B0F-A6FE-42F41ED6D06A@microsoft.com... | > | Ah, thank you and that makes so much sense. When I helped test Vista | > | Ultimate, 32 bit for Microsoft; I burned the ISO image from the website to | > a | > | DVD after I had downloaded the file. I have a CD burner and a DVD burner | > as | > | well. I really do enjoy dual-booting with XP Professional and 98 Second | > | Edition. I was talking to Microsoft support recently and the engineer who | > | said he was from India said that he did the same thing as I did with a | > | dual-boot of 98SE and XP Pro. So it could be possible to remotely | > transport | > | someone's entire computer desktop via an ISO image to another computer and | > | then setup the account on that other computer. Ah, now I see why Chris | > | Quirke, MVP is so concerned about Windows XP Professional and the lack of | > | maintance operating system like 98SE has with DOS. The way I see it now | > is | > | that XP has too many services and this makes it vulnerable. In addition, | > XP | > | Pro. has remote desktop while really nice for remote admin. it allows for | > a | > | vulnerability such as what happened at the school that I work at to | > happen. | > | 98SE is a closed system and has much more limited access by other people | > | remotely. 98SE also has DOS which allows for people to use older programs | > | and have great fun. Because, 98SE is tied with the 9x source code then | > this | > | allows for people and even schools to use older programs like games and | > | educational software that will not run on XP. This is the reason that I | > | think 98SE is a great operating system and hopefully people will see this | > and | > | jump back on the bandwagon by purchasing full copies of 98SE for dual-boot | > | systems and to allow schools to use all of their older educational | > software | > | that otherwise would have to be thrown away. | > | | > | "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: | > | | > | > An image is a regular file, Dan. Most often with the ISO extension. You | > can | > | > do with it the same things you can do with any file. Because an image of | > a | > | > hard drive partition is usually quite large, the only decent ways to | > | > transport it are over a network, whether it's a LAN, WAN or the | > internet, or | > | > using an external hard drive. That or you break it up using some utility | > and | > | > burn it to CDs or DVDs. | > | > | > | > No, the XP groups are not interested in this conversation. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > Gary S. Terhune | > | > MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > http://www.grystmill.com | > | > | > | > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message | > | > news:A4C0B217-5D65-40A9-8B0D-1794C9370057@microsoft.com... | > | > > http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html | > | > > | > | > > Is this the program you are referring to, Gary? Also, how does an | > image | > | > > of | > | > > someone's computer get transferred from one computer to another | > computer | > | > > when | > | > > they are both in different locations. Is it done through remote | > access of | > | > > XP | > | > > Professional. Feel Free to add the XP newsgroup because I am not sure | > the | > | > > best newsgroup there to post this under and this group has always been | > the | > | > > most friendly to me out of all the other newsgroups. | > | > > | > | > > "Gary S. Terhune" wrote: | > | > > | > | > >> Connecting the computers is not a problem. The issue is what program | > to | > | > >> use | > | > >> that will create an image of Computer A on Computer B's storage | > media. I | > | > >> know of no such program for DOS, and only one for Windows that will | > work | > | > >> in | > | > >> Win98 and is currently available: Image, from Terabyte Unlimited. I | > don't | > | > >> *think* there is an evaluation version, I *think* you have to pay for | > it, | > | > >> period. Whereas BootIt NG has an imaging program built-in, is free | > for | > | > >> the | > | > >> purpose, and can write to CD, to an external drive (if the mobo has | > | > >> native | > | > >> USB support), to an existing partition on the hard drive (as an ISO | > | > >> file), | > | > >> or to free space on the hard drive. | > | > >> | > | > >> If Teflon's intent is to create a one-time backup in preparation for | > an | > | > >> upgrade, without incurring costs, BootIt NG is the solution, and | > writing | > | > >> to | > | > >> the same partition and then copying the ISO file to Computer B using | > some | > | > >> sort of networking, which I guess in this case is the LPT link. | > Writing | > | > >> the | > | > >> BootIt NG to free space on the disk, after shrinking the existing | > | > >> partition | > | > >> is a distant second, since it can't be copied the Computer B. | > | > >> | > | > >> -- | > | > >> Gary S. Terhune | > | > >> MS-MVP Shell/User | > | > >> http://www.grystmill.com | > | > >> | > | > >> "Wandering" <AmoreDei@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > >> news:tpOdnaLBR5m1903bnZ2dnUVZ_sGvnZ2d@comcast.com... | > | > >> > In the good old DOS days stuff like Laplink and others connected | > | > >> > things with serial or parallel ports. Since you have a suitable | > cable, | > | > >> > why not try it. You can get it and others at: | > | > >> > | > | > >> > http://vetusware.com/ | > | > >> > | > | > >> > Good luck! | > | > >> > | > | > >> > | > | > >> > "Teflon" <spambaitmeister@gmail.com> wrote in message | > | > >> > news:1188056925.770017.298540@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com... | > | > >> >> On Aug 20, 9:22 am, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: | > | > >> >> > I wouldn't trust an internet backup solution. If you had the | > disk | > | > >> > space, you | > | > >> >> > could make an image and then store that on the internet, but any | > | > >> > scheme that | > | > >> >> > has the backup writing directly to the remote server is almost | > | > >> > bound to | > | > >> >> > fail, and would take a long, long time. It's the slowest and | > least | > | > >> > reliable | > | > >> >> > of all the solutions thus far, and I don't think either True | > Image | > | > >> > or Ghost | > | > >> >> > will do the job. Internet backup is a special program that I | > | > >> > consider OK for | > | > >> >> > backing up a few files, but not for an image. | > | > >> >> > | > | > >> >> > Your laptop has no LAN or USB port? Does it have a serial port? | > | > >> > Does your | > | > >> >> > desktop machine have a serial port? What about LPT ports? | > | > >> >> > | > | > >> >> > -- | > | > >> >> > Gary S. Terhune | > | > >> >> > MS-MVP Shell/Userwww.grystmill.com | > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> Yes Gary, the 98 FE laptop does not have a LAN connection, but | > does | > | > >> >> have a wireless card, a 1.0 USB port, a serial port and a parallel | > | > >> >> port. Don't think I can drive an external HDD via that 1.0 USB | > | > >> > port, | > | > >> >> or run Ghost or True Image with the 98FE's laptop's limited | > | > >> > resources. | > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> My XP machine is also a laptop with wireless, a 2.0 USB port and a | > | > >> >> parallel (printer) port. I used to be able to get them to talk to | > | > >> >> each other via an ad hoc wireless connection, but that stopped | > | > >> >> working. Also had a crossover cable that connected them via the | > | > >> >> parallel port, but haven't used that for awhile. | > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> Does that generate ideas about any other possabilities? | > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> I do like Lil Dave's idea about creating space for a 3rd partition | > | > >> > on | > | > >> >> the 98 HDD and creating an image of C: there. I do have Partition | > | > >> >> Magic. Will check to see if anything I have will run on FE to | > | > >> > create | > | > >> >> the image. | > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> Thanks again to you all for hanging in here. Nothing critical, | > more | > | > >> > a | > | > >> >> learning experience than anything else, so all your help, advise | > and | > | > >> >> observations is much appreciated. | > | > >> >> | > | > >> >> | > | > >> > | > | > >> > | > | > >> | > | > >> | > | > >> | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | >
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