Guest caroloyl Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me to reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes me wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also goes belly-up down the road. I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them and their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et al with a minimum of trouble? My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. calamity carol
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Backing it all up BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download the executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, boot to that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, then use Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup drive. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... > Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me to > reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes me > wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a > comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also goes > belly-up down the road. > > I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them > and > their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this > duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et > al > with a minimum of trouble? > > My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. > > calamity carol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 19, 2007 Posted August 19, 2007 Re: Backing it all up I should mention that a better solution is to get an external HD, and use a decent backup program, like Acronis True Image, to make regular images of your system to the external drive. Then all you have to do if the drive goes bad is to install a new one and use the bootable CD method to restore the latest image to the new drive. That way *everything* you've done on the old drive, up to the date of the latest image, including tweaks and personal data, is restored to the new drive, bootable and all. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:eHqkgWp4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download the > executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, boot to > that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, then use > Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup drive. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message > news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... >> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me >> to >> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes >> me >> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a >> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also goes >> belly-up down the road. >> >> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them >> and >> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this >> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et >> al >> with a minimum of trouble? >> >> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. >> >> calamity carol >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
Guest Heirloom Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up +1 on Gary's suggestion. I use Acronis, backing up to an internal HD. My primary is actually a RAID 0, but, I have 5 HD's in this machine. If one craps out, I can restore to another and replace at my liesure. The nice part about an external HD is that you can keep it in a safe place away from your machine....in the event of a theft or fire, etc. Acronis True Image is a great program, I highly recommend it. Heirloom, old and do have backups "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:%23EdAmap4HHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >I should mention that a better solution is to get an external HD, and use a >decent backup program, like Acronis True Image, to make regular images of >your system to the external drive. Then all you have to do if the drive >goes bad is to install a new one and use the bootable CD method to restore >the latest image to the new drive. That way *everything* you've done on the >old drive, up to the date of the latest image, including tweaks and >personal data, is restored to the new drive, bootable and all. > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:eHqkgWp4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download the >> executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, boot >> to that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, then use >> Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup drive. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message >> news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... >>> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me >>> to >>> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes >>> me >>> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a >>> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also >>> goes >>> belly-up down the road. >>> >>> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them >>> and >>> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this >>> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et >>> al >>> with a minimum of trouble? >>> >>> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. >>> >>> calamity carol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up May as well add that an even more perfect solution is to have TWO external drives dedicated to backup, swapping them every week and storing the disconnected one offsite. This can either be two complete external drives, or two drives using one external enclosure (former is easier, latter is cheaper.) -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Heirloom" <roland58XX@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:Og1aNBs4HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > +1 on Gary's suggestion. I use Acronis, backing up to an internal HD. My > primary is actually a RAID 0, but, I have 5 HD's in this machine. If one > craps out, I can restore to another and replace at my liesure. The nice > part about an external HD is that you can keep it in a safe place away > from your machine....in the event of a theft or fire, etc. Acronis True > Image is a great program, I highly recommend it. > Heirloom, old and do have backups > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:%23EdAmap4HHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>I should mention that a better solution is to get an external HD, and use >>a decent backup program, like Acronis True Image, to make regular images >>of your system to the external drive. Then all you have to do if the drive >>goes bad is to install a new one and use the bootable CD method to restore >>the latest image to the new drive. That way *everything* you've done on >>the old drive, up to the date of the latest image, including tweaks and >>personal data, is restored to the new drive, bootable and all. >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:eHqkgWp4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download the >>> executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, boot >>> to that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, then use >>> Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup drive. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://www.grystmill.com >>> >>> "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message >>> news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... >>>> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me >>>> to >>>> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes >>>> me >>>> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a >>>> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also >>>> goes >>>> belly-up down the road. >>>> >>>> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch >>>> them and >>>> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this >>>> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows >>>> et al >>>> with a minimum of trouble? >>>> >>>> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. >>>> >>>> calamity carol >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Heirloom Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Well, if you are going that far...........you may as well add having a web based backup (if you trust it, I don't). Heirloom, old and don't trust anything "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uEj4pGs4HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > May as well add that an even more perfect solution is to have TWO external > drives dedicated to backup, swapping them every week and storing the > disconnected one offsite. This can either be two complete external drives, > or two drives using one external enclosure (former is easier, latter is > cheaper.) > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "Heirloom" <roland58XX@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > news:Og1aNBs4HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> +1 on Gary's suggestion. I use Acronis, backing up to an internal HD. >> My primary is actually a RAID 0, but, I have 5 HD's in this machine. If >> one craps out, I can restore to another and replace at my liesure. The >> nice part about an external HD is that you can keep it in a safe place >> away from your machine....in the event of a theft or fire, etc. Acronis >> True Image is a great program, I highly recommend it. >> Heirloom, old and do have backups >> >> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >> news:%23EdAmap4HHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>I should mention that a better solution is to get an external HD, and use >>>a decent backup program, like Acronis True Image, to make regular images >>>of your system to the external drive. Then all you have to do if the >>>drive goes bad is to install a new one and use the bootable CD method to >>>restore the latest image to the new drive. That way *everything* you've >>>done on the old drive, up to the date of the latest image, including >>>tweaks and personal data, is restored to the new drive, bootable and all. >>> >>> -- >>> Gary S. Terhune >>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>> http://www.grystmill.com >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:eHqkgWp4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download >>>> the executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, >>>> boot to that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, >>>> then use Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup drive. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://www.grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message >>>> news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... >>>>> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring >>>>> me to >>>>> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) >>>>> makes me >>>>> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a >>>>> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also >>>>> goes >>>>> belly-up down the road. >>>>> >>>>> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch >>>>> them and >>>>> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this >>>>> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows >>>>> et al >>>>> with a minimum of trouble? >>>>> >>>>> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. >>>>> >>>>> calamity carol >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Too slow, too insecure. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Heirloom" <roland58XX@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:ONlcNwt4HHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Well, if you are going that far...........you may as well add having a web > based backup (if you trust it, I don't). > Heirloom, old and don't trust anything > > "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message > news:uEj4pGs4HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> May as well add that an even more perfect solution is to have TWO >> external drives dedicated to backup, swapping them every week and storing >> the disconnected one offsite. This can either be two complete external >> drives, or two drives using one external enclosure (former is easier, >> latter is cheaper.) >> >> -- >> Gary S. Terhune >> MS-MVP Shell/User >> http://www.grystmill.com >> >> "Heirloom" <roland58XX@suddenlink.net> wrote in message >> news:Og1aNBs4HHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> +1 on Gary's suggestion. I use Acronis, backing up to an internal HD. >>> My primary is actually a RAID 0, but, I have 5 HD's in this machine. If >>> one craps out, I can restore to another and replace at my liesure. The >>> nice part about an external HD is that you can keep it in a safe place >>> away from your machine....in the event of a theft or fire, etc. >>> Acronis True Image is a great program, I highly recommend it. >>> Heirloom, old and do have backups >>> >>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>> news:%23EdAmap4HHA.3684@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>I should mention that a better solution is to get an external HD, and >>>>use a decent backup program, like Acronis True Image, to make regular >>>>images of your system to the external drive. Then all you have to do if >>>>the drive goes bad is to install a new one and use the bootable CD >>>>method to restore the latest image to the new drive. That way >>>>*everything* you've done on the old drive, up to the date of the latest >>>>image, including tweaks and personal data, is restored to the new drive, >>>>bootable and all. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>> http://www.grystmill.com >>>> >>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message >>>> news:eHqkgWp4HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>>> BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download >>>>> the executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, >>>>> boot to that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, >>>>> then use Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup >>>>> drive. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Gary S. Terhune >>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User >>>>> http://www.grystmill.com >>>>> >>>>> "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... >>>>>> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring >>>>>> me to >>>>>> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) >>>>>> makes me >>>>>> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a >>>>>> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also >>>>>> goes >>>>>> belly-up down the road. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch >>>>>> them and >>>>>> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this >>>>>> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows >>>>>> et al >>>>>> with a minimum of trouble? >>>>>> >>>>>> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. >>>>>> >>>>>> calamity carol >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
Guest Eric Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up "Heirloom" <roland58XX@suddenlink.net> wrote in message news:ONlcNwt4HHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Well, if you are going that far...........you may as well add having a web > based backup (if you trust it, I don't). > Heirloom, old and don't trust anything > Off site is a fine solution. A company may choose to have an IT user, who has to be trusted with data access, take home the backup media every night. For your home backup, if moving a backup physically to an offsite location daily is not feasible, at least move one to a "fire safe" lockbox. I'd be concerned about speed and security issues with web based.
Guest Heirloom Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Eric: I'd be concerned about speed and security issues with web based. Gary: Too slow, too insecure. My point exactly....... Heirloom, old and trust is important "Eric" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:OsEMtNz4HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > "Heirloom" <roland58XX@suddenlink.net> wrote in message > news:ONlcNwt4HHA.748@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Well, if you are going that far...........you may as well add having a >> web based backup (if you trust it, I don't). >> Heirloom, old and don't trust anything >> > > Off site is a fine solution. > A company may choose to have an IT user, who has to be trusted with data > access, take home the backup media every night. > For your home backup, if moving a backup physically to an offsite location > daily is not feasible, at least move one to a "fire safe" lockbox. > I'd be concerned about speed and security issues with web based. > >
Guest Joan Archer Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Hey I've only just been able to get my first external never mind getting two <g> although saying that it would be nice to have another and it would have been nice to get one with a bigger capacity, it's 80 GB but as it was a birthday present I can't complain <g> I use it with Acronis TI 10. Joan Gary S. Terhune wrote: > May as well add that an even more perfect solution is to have TWO > external drives dedicated to backup, swapping them every week and > storing the disconnected one offsite. This can either be two complete > external drives, or two drives using one external enclosure (former > is easier, latter is cheaper.) > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 20, 2007 Posted August 20, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Baby steps, Joan, baby steps... -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Joan Archer" <archer_joan@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:O4GQHC04HHA.5804@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Hey I've only just been able to get my first external never mind getting > two <g> although saying that it would be nice to have another and it would > have been nice to get one with a bigger capacity, it's 80 GB but as it was > a birthday present I can't complain <g> I use it with Acronis TI 10. > Joan > > > Gary S. Terhune wrote: >> May as well add that an even more perfect solution is to have TWO >> external drives dedicated to backup, swapping them every week and >> storing the disconnected one offsite. This can either be two complete >> external drives, or two drives using one external enclosure (former >> is easier, latter is cheaper.) >> >> > >
Guest MrTom Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up I am not familiar with BootIt NG, but I have been using the /clone feature of xxcopy (http://www.xxcopy.com), also free, to periodically make a bootable copy of my hard drive onto one of my normally not installed hard drives. It seems to work well and can even be run while your are working on the computer. You just have to run it again to copy any files/folders that were changed while the first xxcopy /clone was being run. Assuming you want to copy from the active C: drive to a backup D: drive the command run from an MS-DOS window would be xxcopy c:\ d:\ /clone . The xxcopy website has instructions on cloning a Windows ME hard drive. Tom Gary S. Terhune wrote: > BootIt NG will do what you want for free. http://www.bootitng.com. Download the > executable, run it to create a bootable installation floppy or CD, boot to > that (after installing the drive), CANCEL the installation, then use > Partition Work to Copy your C:\ partition to the backup drive. >
Guest Ogg Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Joan Archer wrote: || Hey I've only just been able to get my first external.. || capacity, it's 80 GB but as it was a birthday present I can't || complain <g> I use it with Acronis TI 10. TI 10 works in ME???!!! I thought v10 only supported XP.
Guest Heirloom Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up You are correct, Ogg.......Joanie has XP. Heirloom, old and so do I "Ogg" <no-spam-wanted@at.all> wrote in message news:uKmzpR$4HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Joan Archer wrote: > || Hey I've only just been able to get my first external.. > || capacity, it's 80 GB but as it was a birthday present I can't > || complain <g> I use it with Acronis TI 10. > > TI 10 works in ME???!!! I thought v10 only supported XP. > >
Guest Ogg Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Heirloom wrote: || You are correct, Ogg.......Joanie has XP. Ah... ok, so I am not the only ex-ME lurker here. Well.. I still have my ME machine in use, but I don't use it as much as I do my recently acquired used Thinkpad (arrived with XPp). I just love the portability of the darn thing. But I digress. Speaking of backups and cloning - for ME then - what do the majority of folks here recommend that might still be available/compatible for ME? I'm still debating on TeraByteunlimited's ImageForDOS/Windows, or the free xxcopy.
Guest Heirloom Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up I don't know what the recommended app is, however, on my Me machine, I used the disk image app that came with the Maxtor drives I installed. I would simply boot from the image app disk, copy the primary to the slave and that was my backup. It did come in handy a few times. I know it is not the best arrangement, if the box had been stolen or a fire, etc. the backup would have gone with it. I would have been better with a removeable drive (much faster and less expensive than tape). The plan at present, is to get a big enough USB external HD for my wife's laptop (if it ever gets here!), partition it and I will use the same drive to backup her laptop and my desktop. She will keep the drive in her office safe. Plus, I have Acronis TI and mulitiple backups on my multiple drives in the desktop. Heirloom, old and gotta mow again "Ogg" <no-spam-wanted@at.all> wrote in message news:OTrMSSA5HHA.5212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Heirloom wrote: > || You are correct, Ogg.......Joanie has XP. > > Ah... ok, so I am not the only ex-ME lurker here. Well.. I still have > my ME machine in use, but I don't use it as much as I do my recently > acquired used Thinkpad (arrived with XPp). I just love the portability of > the darn thing. But I digress. Speaking of backups and cloning - for ME > then - what do the majority of folks here recommend that might still be > available/compatible for ME? I'm still debating on TeraByteunlimited's > ImageForDOS/Windows, or the free xxcopy. > > > >
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up I'll be damned. Wasn't aware of that v. 10 limitation. Gotta revise my standard advice. Terabyte Unlimited's is generally good stuff. Been a while since I used Image for Windows, so I can't recall how easy it is to manage and schedule. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Ogg" <no-spam-wanted@at.all> wrote in message news:OTrMSSA5HHA.5212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Heirloom wrote: > || You are correct, Ogg.......Joanie has XP. > > Ah... ok, so I am not the only ex-ME lurker here. Well.. I still have > my ME machine in use, but I don't use it as much as I do my recently > acquired used Thinkpad (arrived with XPp). I just love the portability of > the darn thing. But I digress. Speaking of backups and cloning - for ME > then - what do the majority of folks here recommend that might still be > available/compatible for ME? I'm still debating on TeraByteunlimited's > ImageForDOS/Windows, or the free xxcopy. > > > >
Guest Eric Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Any advice on the laptops? I think it will be a while yet before I have money to spare for a new machine, but I'm thinking of getting a laptop. The big reason to get a desktop used to be upgradeability, but now that you practically have to get a whole new machine to upgrade one part anyhow with all of the changing technology (faster CPU or RAM or even HD may require new MB...), that doesn't seem as much a factor. The next reason to get a desktop was that it's cheaper for equivalent processing power, but since everything is so fast now that the slowest new laptop should have plenty of power for what I'd likely do with it, that's not as much a factor. The last (in no particular order) reason for wanting a desktop would be the larger viewable area. Can I plug a new big flat panel monitor into any new laptop? If so, the only remaining question would be if it's worth (a little?) extra price to get the portability (an even cooler feature if I can get fast enough secure enough internet for it through a wireless router). "Ogg" <no-spam-wanted@at.all> wrote in message news:OTrMSSA5HHA.5212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Heirloom wrote: > || You are correct, Ogg.......Joanie has XP. > > Ah... ok, so I am not the only ex-ME lurker here. Well.. I still have > my ME machine in use, but I don't use it as much as I do my recently > acquired used Thinkpad (arrived with XPp). I just love the portability of > the darn thing. But I digress. Speaking of backups and cloning - for ME > then - what do the majority of folks here recommend that might still be > available/compatible for ME? I'm still debating on TeraByteunlimited's > ImageForDOS/Windows, or the free xxcopy. >
Guest caroloyl Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up My thanks to all for sharing ideas and experience, and especially to Gary for the update CDs that made reinstalling Me SO much easier--I even have a sane version of IE 6 going now :-)))) In truth, PhotoImpact is my very worst reinstallation nightmare now because I vigorously customize its toolbars and palettes and have been unable to root out the record it keeps of my alterations/preferences in order to back them up. I've downloaded both cloning programs suggested and will do the deed as soon as I get a replacement for my failed drive which is only a year and half old. I have an 80 GB external USB drive that I used to make backups of backups but it was very slow--"was" meaning that the last time I attempted to use it it suddenly started making clicking noises (past its warranty--no RMA remedy for that). Haven't I read here somewhere that putting a failed HD on ice might enable salvaging some of its contents? I had a gut feeling to run SmartSync Pro the night before the disk wouldn't boot (and I got the failure notice)--but I was too tired to honor it (if only if only!) I actually lost a mere 14 days worth of mail/info/artwork--but some of it I'd really like to have. carol "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... > Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me to > reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes me > wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a > comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also goes > belly-up down the road. > > I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them and > their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this > duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et al > with a minimum of trouble? > > My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. > > calamity carol
Guest Joan Archer Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up I see Heirloom has given you the answer Ogg, I think you'll find the majority of the regulars in here run XP it's just that this is home to so many of us that as well as helping out the people who still run WinME, which my daughter does and it's part of my network, it's a meeting place where we can still bounce ideas of each other without getting flamed for going OT <g> Joan Ogg wrote: > Joan Archer wrote: >|| Hey I've only just been able to get my first external.. >|| capacity, it's 80 GB but as it was a birthday present I can't >|| complain <g> I use it with Acronis TI 10. > > TI 10 works in ME???!!! I thought v10 only supported XP.
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted August 21, 2007 Posted August 21, 2007 Re: Backing it all up The external HD certainly sounds like it's on its way out. Can you still access it and copy files off? For a replacement, I recommend a USB2 device (most are) and if you don't have native USB2 on your system, get a USB2 card (if you have a PCI slot available.) As for the other drive... You can't get into it to save your data? Have you run floppy-based diagnostics on it? -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message news:fafek90saf@enews4.newsguy.com... > My thanks to all for sharing ideas and experience, and especially to Gary > for the update CDs that made reinstalling Me SO much easier--I even have a > sane version of IE 6 going now :-)))) In truth, PhotoImpact is my very > worst reinstallation nightmare now because I vigorously customize its > toolbars and palettes and have been unable to root out the record it keeps > of my alterations/preferences in order to back them up. > > I've downloaded both cloning programs suggested and will do the deed as > soon > as I get a replacement for my failed drive which is only a year and half > old. I have an 80 GB external USB drive that I used to make backups of > backups but it was very slow--"was" meaning that the last time I attempted > to use it it suddenly started making clicking noises (past its > warranty--no > RMA remedy for that). > > Haven't I read here somewhere that putting a failed HD on ice might enable > salvaging some of its contents? I had a gut feeling to run SmartSync Pro > the night before the disk wouldn't boot (and I got the failure > notice)--but > I was too tired to honor it (if only if only!) I actually lost a mere 14 > days worth of mail/info/artwork--but some of it I'd really like to have. > > carol > > > "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message > news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... >> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me >> to >> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes >> me >> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a >> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also goes >> belly-up down the road. >> >> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them > and >> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this >> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et > al >> with a minimum of trouble? >> >> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. >> >> calamity carol > > > >
Guest Ogg Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Ah.. well, then that's great cuz' I was beginning to feel like a betrayer or something. I haven't given up entirely on my ME system. It's just that I haven't used it as much lately since I got my new (used) laptop - albiet already pre-installed with XP - and I really need to do a proper full backup of the aged WinMe desktop box before I replace some parts on it. Then the plan is to implement Ubuntu on the old WinMe box. Interestingly, I don't seem to be missing much on my ME pc. I don't really need the loads of old email. I do however, miss my usual web design program and assocated collection of files and widgets. Unfortunately, Me just hasn't been able to cooperate with a couple of upgrades I put into the box recently. Joan Archer wrote: || I see Heirloom has given you the answer Ogg, I think you'll find the || majority of the regulars in here run XP it's just that this is home || to so many of us that as well as helping out the people who still || run WinME, which my daughter does and it's part of my network, it's || a meeting place where we can still bounce ideas of each other || without getting flamed for going OT <g>
Guest Heirloom Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Re: Backing it all up The only advice I can give on the laptops is to shop around and get the features and equipment that you want. I ended up ordering a Dell Inspiron 1721, AMD Turion 64 x 2 TL-56 (1.8GHz/1MB)......it is the one my wife wanted and I specified the hardware based on her intended use. It has a 17" screen......considerably larger than my first desktop. Heirloom, old and estimated ship date of Aug 25th, now. We shall see. "Eric" <someone@microsoft.com> wrote in message news:%23JZ35LC5HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Any advice on the laptops? > I think it will be a while yet before I have money to spare for a new > machine, but I'm thinking of getting a laptop. > > The big reason to get a desktop used to be upgradeability, but now that > you practically have to get a whole new machine to upgrade one part anyhow > with all of the changing technology (faster CPU or RAM or even HD may > require new MB...), that doesn't seem as much a factor. > > The next reason to get a desktop was that it's cheaper for equivalent > processing power, but since everything is so fast now that the slowest new > laptop should have plenty of power for what I'd likely do with it, that's > not as much a factor. > > The last (in no particular order) reason for wanting a desktop would be > the larger viewable area. Can I plug a new big flat panel monitor into > any new laptop? If so, the only remaining question would be if it's worth > (a little?) extra price to get the portability (an even cooler feature if > I can get fast enough secure enough internet for it through a wireless > router). > > "Ogg" <no-spam-wanted@at.all> wrote in message > news:OTrMSSA5HHA.5212@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Heirloom wrote: >> || You are correct, Ogg.......Joanie has XP. >> >> Ah... ok, so I am not the only ex-ME lurker here. Well.. I still have >> my ME machine in use, but I don't use it as much as I do my recently >> acquired used Thinkpad (arrived with XPp). I just love the portability >> of the darn thing. But I digress. Speaking of backups and cloning - for >> ME then - what do the majority of folks here recommend that might still >> be available/compatible for ME? I'm still debating on >> TeraByteunlimited's ImageForDOS/Windows, or the free xxcopy. >> > >
Guest Ogg Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Eric wrote: || Any advice on the laptops? || I think it will be a while yet before I have money to spare for a new || machine, but I'm thinking of getting a laptop. Your "reasons.. comparisons" are quite valid. I juggled much of the same things in my mind when I settled for the brand and model that I currently have: Thinkpad T40p. My primary requirement was thinness and weight. I didn't want anything heavier than 5 lbs. The TP is only 1" thick when closed. A wider/larger screen would have been nice (it's only 14.1"), but I've quite aclimated to it, no problem. A couple of fine selling points that my laptop featured: an extended 9-cell battery (runs for 6 hours), and the seller included the full Office 2007 suite. The seller had also upgraded the unit with a much larger drive than the original (from 40gig, 5400rpm to 60gig 7200rpm), a total of 768meg ram up from 512meg. CDRW/DVD, Intel Pentium M, integrated wireless. No dead pixels. 4 years old. Was hard to ignore at $550. || The last (in no particular order) reason for wanting a desktop would || be the larger viewable area. Can I plug a new big flat panel || monitor into any new laptop? If so, the only remaining question || would be if it's worth (a little?) extra price to get the || portability (an even cooler feature if I can get fast enough secure || enough internet for it through a wireless router). Most laptops allow adding external monitors and keyboards. I really like the feel of the TP keyboard; I'm not moved to consider an external keyboard at all Definitely consider "integrated wireless"; that way you don't have to cope with an awkward PCMCIA card sticking out the side of your computer. Wow.. this is w-a-y offtopic. I hope the ng police will forgive me.
Guest caroloyl Posted August 22, 2007 Posted August 22, 2007 Re: Backing it all up Hi Gary It's been a few months since the USB drive started complaining--and I haven't had courage to plug it in since. I'm in the same kettle with the recently failed C drive but will definitely attempt to give it a spin this week: I need to talk with Samsung before its three years are up and I'm a right terrible procrastinator :-b Is there anything I need to do to it besides setting the jumpers for slavery then plugging it in as D or E (have plugs for a secondary slave)? I haven't run any diagnostics--boot screen told me it was a failure and the BIOS couldn't detect it. Replacing it with a new drive has fixed me up, hopefully for at least another year and a half ;-) carol "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message news:uNMUyMD5HHA.1148@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > The external HD certainly sounds like it's on its way out. Can you still > access it and copy files off? For a replacement, I recommend a USB2 device > (most are) and if you don't have native USB2 on your system, get a USB2 card > (if you have a PCI slot available.) > > As for the other drive... You can't get into it to save your data? Have you > run floppy-based diagnostics on it? > > -- > Gary S. Terhune > MS-MVP Shell/User > http://www.grystmill.com > > "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message > news:fafek90saf@enews4.newsguy.com... > > My thanks to all for sharing ideas and experience, and especially to Gary > > for the update CDs that made reinstalling Me SO much easier--I even have a > > sane version of IE 6 going now :-)))) In truth, PhotoImpact is my very > > worst reinstallation nightmare now because I vigorously customize its > > toolbars and palettes and have been unable to root out the record it keeps > > of my alterations/preferences in order to back them up. > > > > I've downloaded both cloning programs suggested and will do the deed as > > soon > > as I get a replacement for my failed drive which is only a year and half > > old. I have an 80 GB external USB drive that I used to make backups of > > backups but it was very slow--"was" meaning that the last time I attempted > > to use it it suddenly started making clicking noises (past its > > warranty--no > > RMA remedy for that). > > > > Haven't I read here somewhere that putting a failed HD on ice might enable > > salvaging some of its contents? I had a gut feeling to run SmartSync Pro > > the night before the disk wouldn't boot (and I got the failure > > notice)--but > > I was too tired to honor it (if only if only!) I actually lost a mere 14 > > days worth of mail/info/artwork--but some of it I'd really like to have. > > > > carol > > > > > > "caroloyl" <caroloyl@gmail-expungethis.com> wrote in message > > news:faa3en02nj0@enews2.newsguy.com... > >> Having three C drive failures in just two and a half years requiring me > >> to > >> reinstall and re-set up every program I use (which I'm doing now) makes > >> me > >> wonder if it's possible to copy/backup my entire new C drive to a > >> comparable slave for switching out when this new primary master also goes > >> belly-up down the road. > >> > >> I've replaced enough internal hard drives now to know how to switch them > > and > >> their jumper pins so the mechanics aren't a problem. But will this > >> duplicating idea work to give me a fresh bootable functioning Windows et > > al > >> with a minimum of trouble? > >> > >> My thanks in advance for your experience and insight. > >> > >> calamity carol > > > > > > > > > >
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