Icon Confusion

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> lb wrote:

>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

>>> This is Win98se

>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I

>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from

>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program

>>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>>

>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>>

>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I

>>> fix it?

>>>

>>> Thanks

>>> HN

>>

>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

>> icons.

>>

>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete

>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

>

> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,

> and

> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

>

>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.

>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any

>> of these.

>>

>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly

>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache

>> from being rewritten properly.

>

> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for

> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

>

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just one

cold reboot.

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a

reboot.

> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut

down

> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> lb wrote:

>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

>>>> This is Win98se

>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I

>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from

>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program

>>>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>>>

>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>>>

>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I

>>>> fix it?

>>>>

>>>> Thanks

>>>> HN

>>>

>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

>>> icons.

>>>

>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete

>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

>>

>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,

>> and

>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

>>

>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.

>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any

>>> of these.

>>>

>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly

>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache

>>> from being rewritten properly.

>>

>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for

>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean, but a

full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is the

equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a soft

restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against. You

certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.

And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the ShellIconCache,

not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you start

it again.) From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to

see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually

restart.

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just one

> cold reboot.

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a

> reboot.

>> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut

> down

>> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> lb wrote:

>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

>>>>> This is Win98se

>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I

>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from

>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program

>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>>>>

>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>>>>

>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I

>>>>> fix it?

>>>>>

>>>>> Thanks

>>>>> HN

>>>>

>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

>>>> icons.

>>>>

>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete

>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

>>>

>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,

>>> and

>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

>>>

>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.

>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any

>>>> of these.

>>>>

>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly

>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache

>>>> from being rewritten properly.

>>>

>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for

>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

>

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean, but

a

> full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is the

> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a

soft

> restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against. You

> certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.

OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs shutting

down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference there! So I

don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget "warm reboot", then - my

bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be

laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all you can

call it.

> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the ShellIconCache,

> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you

start

> it again.)

Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I deleted

the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the cache *was*

formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows explorer). But maybe

you're right and it still takes a reboot even after that. I can't recall

for certain.

> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to

> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually

> restart.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.php#icons

> .

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just

one

>> cold reboot.

>>

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a

reboot.

>>> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut

down

>>> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that point.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> lb wrote:

>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

>>>>>> This is Win98se

>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example,

I

>>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon

from

>>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program

>>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I

>>>>>> fix it?

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>> HN

>>>>>

>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

>>>>> icons.

>>>>>

>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete

>>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

>>>>

>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds later,

>>>> and

>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

>>>>

>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.

>>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any

>>>>> of these.

>>>>>

>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly

>>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache

>>>>> from being rewritten properly.

>>>>

>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut for

>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology): There are

three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't have to

press any button to restart.

3. So-called "Warm" or "Soft" restart (not reboot), which only restarts

Windows, while DOS remains resident. Common in Win95, and supported in

Win98, mostly for those apps from 95 days that would perform such a restart

as part of Setup. Yes, it's possible to manually do it in Win98, but I

forget how.

As for the ShellIconCache issue, you have Win98 in front of you (I don't).

Why don't you test? Won't hurt anything.

Also, there's a fix for increasing the size of the ShellIconCache. Also

creates an item in Folder Options that allows you to choose what size. Here

it is:

--

Gary S. Terhune

MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

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> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean, but

> a

>> full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is

>> the

>> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a

> soft

>> restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against. You

>> certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.

>

> OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs shutting

> down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference there! So I

> don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget "warm reboot", then -

> my

> bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be

> laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all you

> can

> call it.

>

>> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the

>> ShellIconCache,

>> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you

> start

>> it again.)

>

> Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I deleted

> the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the cache *was*

> formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows explorer). But maybe

> you're right and it still takes a reboot even after that. I can't

> recall

> for certain.

>

>> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to

>> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually

>> restart.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

> http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.php#icons

>> .

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just

> one

>>> cold reboot.

>>>

>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a

> reboot.

>>>> When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the second shut

> down

>>>> or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to that

>>>> point.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>

>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> lb wrote:

>>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

>>>>>>> This is Win98se

>>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example,

> I

>>>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>>>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon

> from

>>>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program

>>>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>>>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>>>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>> fix it?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>> HN

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

>>>>>> icons.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can delete

>>>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

>>>>>

>>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds

>>>>> later,

>>>>> and

>>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

>>>>>

>>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.

>>>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any

>>>>>> of these.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly

>>>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache

>>>>>> from being rewritten properly.

>>>>>

>>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut

>>>>> for

>>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

>

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

It's ShelliconCache

Thats why I could not find it......

On Tue, 21 Aug 2007 14:25:59 -0600, "Bill in Co."

<not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Why don't you try deleting the ShellconCache file (for the icons) in the

>windows folder, then power off the computer, and then turn it back on again

>in a few seconds to force a clean rebuilding of the icon cache. The

>assumption here being that either the cache has gotten a bit corrupted

>and/or has reached its limit in filesize and needs to be rebuilt. Either

>way, you have little to lose by trying it, as the ShellconCache file will be

>rebuilt.

>

>HN@invalid.com wrote:

>> This is Win98se

>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For example, I

>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon from

>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another program

>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>

>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>

>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do I

>> fix it?

>>

>> Thanks

>> HN

>

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology): There are

> three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

>

> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't have

to

> press any button to restart.

I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting the

computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up again, are NOT

the same thing (unless I'm missing something). The second method of

shutting the computer completely down and then turning it on again is more

complete, as nothing is left anywhere in any RAM memory location,

whatsoever. No vestiges of any code or any data remain that way.

> 3. So-called "Warm" or "Soft" restart (not reboot), which only restarts

> Windows, while DOS remains resident. Common in Win95, and supported in

> Win98, mostly for those apps from 95 days that would perform such a

restart

> as part of Setup. Yes, it's possible to manually do it in Win98, but I

> forget how.

OK. I'm probably remembering the warm vs cold reboot stuff from some

really old computer. Or maybe I'm thinking of doing Ctrl-Alt-Del, vs

hitting the hardware reset switch on this computer (there is some difference

in those two reboots, the hardware reset one being a bit more thorough, and

one that almost always works and rarely hangs up).

> As for the ShellIconCache issue, you have Win98 in front of you (I don't).

> Why don't you test? Won't hurt anything.

Too lazy this time (did it not all that long ago anyways), and it takes a

few moments to rebuild all the icons again. Besides which, he's probably

already done it. :-)

> Also, there's a fix for increasing the size of the ShellIconCache. Also

> creates an item in Folder Options that allows you to choose what size.

Here

> it is:

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:%23FaxT%23F5HHA.5844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you mean,

but a

>>> full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or "warm" reboot) is

>>> the

>>> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to do a

soft

>>> restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is advised against.

You

>>> certainly aren't doing that when you click Start>Shutdown>Restart.

>>

>> OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs shutting

>> down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference there! So

I

>> don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget "warm reboot", then -

>> my

>> bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be

>> laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all you

>> can

>> call it.

>>

>>> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the

>>> ShellIconCache,

>>> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until you

start

>>> it again.)

>>

>> Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I deleted

>> the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the cache *was*

>> formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows explorer). But maybe

>> you're right and it still takes a reboot even after that. I can't

>> recall

>> for certain.

>>

>>> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to

>>> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and manually

>>> restart.

>>>

>>> --

>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>> .

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots. Just

one

>>>> cold reboot.

>>>>

>>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>>>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different than a

>>>>> reboot. When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt until the

second

>>>>> shut down or reboot, whichever you choose, no matter how you get it to

>>>>> that point.

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> Gary S. Terhune

>>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

>>>>>

>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>> lb wrote:

>>>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

>>>>>>>> This is Win98se

>>>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For

example, I

>>>>>>>> have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on and off the hosts

>>>>>>>> file). Right now, all files with the PDF extension have the icon

from

>>>>>>>> "Hosts Toggle". Text files (.txt) have an icon from another

program

>>>>>>>> instead of the notepad icon.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some other

>>>>>>>> extension will have the wrong icon, for example last night all the

>>>>>>>> .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my desktop.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and how do

>>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>>> fix it?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Thanks

>>>>>>>> HN

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

>>>>>>> icons.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can

delete

>>>>>>> it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds

>>>>>> later,

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X Setup.

>>>>>>> Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do not have any

>>>>>>> of these.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to rapidly

>>>>>>> shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your shelliconcache

>>>>>>> from being rewritten properly.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop shortcut

>>>>>> for

>>>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Bill in Co. wrote:

> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting

> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up

> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).

The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the

power button.

_________________

> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then

> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere

> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code

> or any data remain that way.

What possible difference would it make?

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August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

dadiOH wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>

>> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting

>> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up

>> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).

>

> The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the

> power button.

> _________________

Not true. That's not the "only difference".

>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then

>> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere

>> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code

>> or any data remain that way.

>

> What possible difference would it make?

It can, if there is some errant code running.

>

> dadiOH

> ____________________________

>

> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

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August 22, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:35:28 -0400, "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com>

put finger to keyboard and composed:

>Bill in Co. wrote:

>

>> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting

>> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up

>> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).

>

>The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the

>power button.

>_________________

>

>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then

>> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere

>> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code

>> or any data remain that way.

>

>What possible difference would it make?

I think a virus can hook into the Restart or Ctrl-Alt-Del functions.

In my DOS days I was always advised to perform a cold boot (ie a hard

reset) with a floppy diskette to get rid of any memory resident virus.

A warm boot (Ctrl Alt Del) could not be guaranteed to be clean.

- Franc Zabkar

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August 23, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Bill in Co. wrote:

>>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and

>>> then turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left

>>> anywhere in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of

>>> any code or any data remain that way.

>>

>> What possible difference would it make?

>

> It can, if there is some errant code running.

When the computer boots the BIOS loads and passes control to the

bootstrap loader; it in turn, loads an OS loader which then loads the

rest of the OS and passes control to it. I guess all things are

possible but I'm having trouble figuring out how said errant code

would begin executing again. Some of the ways I can think of...

1. If the baddie were interrupt driven, the interrupts would have been

reset during the boot so no execution.

2. It could modify the bootstrap loader (MBR). My anti-virus program

would jump up and down in a conniption fit.

3. It could have modified the OS loader on the hard drive. In that

case, it would make zero difference if the computer had been turned

off or just rebooted.

4. It could set itself to run via one of the registry start up

entries. Again, in that case, it would make zero difference if the

computer had been turned off or just rebooted.

5. Others?

All in all - even though I am 60 miles from either Florida coast - I

think I'll worry more about a shark attack :)

--

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August 23, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

dadiOH wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>

>>>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and

>>>> then turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left

>>>> anywhere in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of

>>>> any code or any data remain that way.

>>>

>>> What possible difference would it make?

>>

>> It can, if there is some errant code running.

>

> When the computer boots the BIOS loads and passes control to the

> bootstrap loader; it in turn, loads an OS loader which then loads the

> rest of the OS and passes control to it. I guess all things are

> possible but I'm having trouble figuring out how said errant code

> would begin executing again. Some of the ways I can think of...

>

> 1. If the baddie were interrupt driven, the interrupts would have been

> reset during the boot so no execution.

>

> 2. It could modify the bootstrap loader (MBR). My anti-virus program

> would jump up and down in a conniption fit.

>

> 3. It could have modified the OS loader on the hard drive. In that

> case, it would make zero difference if the computer had been turned

> off or just rebooted.

>

> 4. It could set itself to run via one of the registry start up

> entries. Again, in that case, it would make zero difference if the

> computer had been turned off or just rebooted.

>

> 5. Others?

>

> All in all - even though I am 60 miles from either Florida coast - I

> think I'll worry more about a shark attack :)

I think my original assertion was that rebooting is NOT identical to

powering the computer off and restarting it again, because some code and

data are still left in memory, which could be problematic in some instances.

And I think Frank mentioned one of them (with the virus thing) as just one

example.

August 23, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

I'd like to see a reputable article detailing the facts on this subject,

both with AT and ATX boards.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.aumha.org/regfiles.php#icons

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:e86mhdb5HHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> dadiOH wrote:

>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>

>>>>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and

>>>>> then turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left

>>>>> anywhere in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of

>>>>> any code or any data remain that way.

>>>>

>>>> What possible difference would it make?

>>>

>>> It can, if there is some errant code running.

>>

>> When the computer boots the BIOS loads and passes control to the

>> bootstrap loader; it in turn, loads an OS loader which then loads the

>> rest of the OS and passes control to it. I guess all things are

>> possible but I'm having trouble figuring out how said errant code

>> would begin executing again. Some of the ways I can think of...

>>

>> 1. If the baddie were interrupt driven, the interrupts would have been

>> reset during the boot so no execution.

>>

>> 2. It could modify the bootstrap loader (MBR). My anti-virus program

>> would jump up and down in a conniption fit.

>>

>> 3. It could have modified the OS loader on the hard drive. In that

>> case, it would make zero difference if the computer had been turned

>> off or just rebooted.

>>

>> 4. It could set itself to run via one of the registry start up

>> entries. Again, in that case, it would make zero difference if the

>> computer had been turned off or just rebooted.

>>

>> 5. Others?

>>

>> All in all - even though I am 60 miles from either Florida coast - I

>> think I'll worry more about a shark attack :)

>

> I think my original assertion was that rebooting is NOT identical to

> powering the computer off and restarting it again, because some code and

> data are still left in memory, which could be problematic in some

> instances.

> And I think Frank mentioned one of them (with the virus thing) as just one

> example.

>

August 23, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message

news:8kcpc3hhrue9hk040419jkh05i74pvum0q@4ax.com

| On Wed, 22 Aug 2007 06:35:28 -0400, "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com>

| put finger to keyboard and composed:

|

|>Bill in Co. wrote:

|>

|>> I don't think it does exactly the same thing. That is, rebooting

|>> the computer while it is on, vs turning it off and starting it up

|>> again, are NOT the same thing (unless I'm missing something).

|>

|>The only difference is that the machine is off until you push the

|>power button.

|>_________________

|>

|>> The second method of shutting the computer completely down and then

|>> turning it on again is more complete, as nothing is left anywhere

|>> in any RAM memory location, whatsoever. No vestiges of any code

|>> or any data remain that way.

|>

|>What possible difference would it make?

|

| I think a virus can hook into the Restart or Ctrl-Alt-Del functions.

| In my DOS days I was always advised to perform a cold boot (ie a hard

| reset) with a floppy diskette to get rid of any memory resident virus.

| A warm boot (Ctrl Alt Del) could not be guaranteed to be clean.

DadiOH's anti-virus program would jump up and down in a conniption fit!

And I hope avast! would do it too!

| - Franc Zabkar

| --

| Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

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There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

August 23, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

"Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

| Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):

| There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

|

| 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

That is a cold boot.

| 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't

| have to press any button to restart.

This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &

Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it

doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98. It

restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you that

it is no different from a cold boot.

| 3. So-called "Warm" or "Soft" restart (not reboot), which only

| restarts Windows, while DOS remains resident. Common in Win95, and

| supported in Win98, mostly for those apps from 95 days that would

| perform such a restart as part of Setup. Yes, it's possible to

| manually do it in Win98, but I forget how.

Could it be this "undocumented" feature from the book (same page)...?...

"To restart Windows 98 quickly without going through the warm reboot

process, mark Restart, and then hold down your Shift key while clicking

the OK button in the Shut Down Windows dialog box."

I intend to try it later!

| As for the ShellIconCache issue, you have Win98 in front of you (I

| don't). Why don't you test? Won't hurt anything.

|

| Also, there's a fix for increasing the size of the ShellIconCache.

| Also creates an item in Folder Options that allows you to choose what

| size. Here it is:

|

| --

| Gary S. Terhune

| MS-MVP Shell/User

| http://www.grystmill.com

|

| "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

| news:%23FaxT%23F5HHA.5844@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>> Bull. A "warm" reboot is not a full Restart, if that's what you

|>> mean, but a full reboot (one that isn't like the Win95 "soft" or

|>> "warm" reboot) is the

|>> equivalent of shutting down and restarting. Yes, it's possible to

|>> do a soft restart in Windows 98, but it isn't supported and is

|>> advised against. You certainly aren't doing that when you click

|>> Start>Shutdown>Restart.

|>

|> OK, but I was trying to distinguish between simply rebooting vs

|> shutting down and powering up again, and there sure is a difference

|> there! So I don't know what the right terms are then. (Forget

|> "warm reboot", then - my

|> bad). Maybe one is just called "rebooting", and the other has to be

|> laboriously callled "powering up from a cold start", and that's all

|> you can

|> call it.

|>

|>> And no, a single shutdown and restart will not rebuild the

|>> ShellIconCache,

|>> not until the next time you shut down (and you won't see it until

|>> you start it again.)

|>

|> Well, then I musta misrembered this, as I had thought that when I

|> deleted the cache and turned the computer off and then on again, the

|> cache *was* formed and there on the HD (as seen in windows

|> explorer). But maybe you're right and it still takes a reboot

|> even after that. I can't recall

|> for certain.

|>

|>> From the time you delete the file, it requires two restarts to

|>> see it again, whether you use Shutdown>Restart or Shutdown and

|>> manually restart.

|>>

|>> --

|>> Gary S. Terhune

|>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>> .

|>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

|>> news:es6vEtF5HHA.6024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|>>> It IS different, because it doesn't require TWO warm reboots.

|>>> Just one cold reboot.

|>>>

|>>> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

|>>>> Huh? Turning off the machine then back on isn't any different

|>>>> than a reboot. When you delete ShellIconCache, it isn't rebuilt

|>>>> until the second shut down or reboot, whichever you choose, no

|>>>> matter how you get it to that point.

|>>>>

|>>>> --

|>>>> Gary S. Terhune

|>>>> MS-MVP Shell/User

|>>>> http://www.grystmill.com

|>>>>

|>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

|>>>> news:u1p9cTE5HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|>>>>> lb wrote:

|>>>>>> On Aug 21, 3:19 pm, H...@invalid.com wrote:

|>>>>>>> This is Win98se

|>>>>>>> For some reason there is some icon confusion going on. For

|>>>>>>> example, I have a program called "Hosts Toggle" (to turn on

|>>>>>>> and off the hosts file). Right now, all files with the PDF

|>>>>>>> extension have the icon from "Hosts Toggle". Text files

|>>>>>>> (.txt) have an icon from another program instead of the

|>>>>>>> notepad icon.

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> The next time I reboot, the icons will be different and some

|>>>>>>> other extension will have the wrong icon, for example last

|>>>>>>> night all the .jpg files had an icon from another folder on my

|>>>>>>> desktop.

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> Everything else is working fine. Why is this happeningt and

|>>>>>>> how do I

|>>>>>>> fix it?

|>>>>>>>

|>>>>>>> Thanks

|>>>>>>> HN

|>>>>>>

|>>>>>> If you have TweakUI, you can go to the repair tab and repair the

|>>>>>> icons.

|>>>>>>

|>>>>>> Your shelliconcache file may be too small or damaged. You can

|>>>>>> delete it and windows will make a new one on the 2nd boot.

|>>>>>

|>>>>> Or just turn off the computer, and then turn it on a few seconds

|>>>>> later,

|>>>>> and

|>>>>> you won't have to reboot twice - or thrice (possibly).

|>>>>>

|>>>>>> You can increase the size with programs such as Cacheman or X

|>>>>>> Setup. Both of these have older free versions. Post if you do

|>>>>>> not have any of these.

|>>>>>>

|>>>>>> Another thing is that if you are using a desktop shortcut to

|>>>>>> rapidly shutdown windows, stop using it as it prevents your

|>>>>>> shelliconcache from being rewritten properly.

|>>>>>

|>>>>> Not for me it doesn't (and hasn't). I've had a desktop

|>>>>> shortcut for

|>>>>> shutdown for years. (as for "rapidly", who knows. LOL).

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Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

August 24, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

PCR wrote:

> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

> news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):

>> There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

>>

>> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

>

> That is a cold boot.

>

>> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't

>> have to press any button to restart.

>

> This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &

> Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it

> doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98. It

> restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

>

> Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you that

> it is no different from a cold boot.

But you're wrong, because it does NOT remove any resident code or data left

in memory that could be problematic (in some instances). So it is NOT

"identical", per se, by definition.

In addition, it is also not identical because the internal hardware

(electronics) has not been powered off and then back on again, which could

have some relevance for both hardware and software (low level) issues, in

some instances).

That all being said, the practical results are so similar in MOST cases that

it probably don't matter too much.

Q.E.D.

August 24, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Again... Cite? Make it a good one.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:u3TLi1f5HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> PCR wrote:

>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>> news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>>> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):

>>> There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

>>>

>>> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

>>

>> That is a cold boot.

>>

>>> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't

>>> have to press any button to restart.

>>

>> This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &

>> Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it

>> doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98. It

>> restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

>>

>> Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you that

>> it is no different from a cold boot.

>

> But you're wrong, because it does NOT remove any resident code or data

> left

> in memory that could be problematic (in some instances). So it is NOT

> "identical", per se, by definition.

>

> In addition, it is also not identical because the internal hardware

> (electronics) has not been powered off and then back on again, which could

> have some relevance for both hardware and software (low level) issues, in

> some instances).

>

> That all being said, the practical results are so similar in MOST cases

> that

> it probably don't matter too much.

>

> Q.E.D.

>

August 24, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

Cite? For what? The fact that the only way RAM memory is completely

cleared out is to turn off the computer? Surely you jest!

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> Again... Cite? Make it a good one.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:u3TLi1f5HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> PCR wrote:

>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>> news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>>>> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):

>>>> There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

>>>>

>>>> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

>>>

>>> That is a cold boot.

>>>

>>>> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't

>>>> have to press any button to restart.

>>>

>>> This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &

>>> Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it

>>> doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98. It

>>> restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

>>>

>>> Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you that

>>> it is no different from a cold boot.

>>

>> But you're wrong, because it does NOT remove any resident code or data

>> left

>> in memory that could be problematic (in some instances). So it is NOT

>> "identical", per se, by definition.

>>

>> In addition, it is also not identical because the internal hardware

>> (electronics) has not been powered off and then back on again, which

could

>> have some relevance for both hardware and software (low level) issues, in

>> some instances).

>>

>> That all being said, the practical results are so similar in MOST cases

>> that

>> it probably don't matter too much.

>>

>> Q.E.D.

August 24, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

What makes you say that? I'm serious. I want a reputable cite that explains

it all in gory detail. ATX boards are "kept alive" unless you pull the plug

or turn off the PWS using a switch (which only some have.) What about that

case? According to your logic, even turning the computer off might not flush

RAM.

Why do you think it is something to take for granted that a reboot doesn't

clear RAM, since it resets everything else? What use is the data contained

therein? What reason would the designers have for maintaining that data

through a reboot? Why wouldn't the juice be momentarily cut from RAM like it

is for nearly everything else. Or does a reboot even do that at all, for any

component? Yes I want a cite or three. I want to learn more about it.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uDkCodh5HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Cite? For what? The fact that the only way RAM memory is completely

> cleared out is to turn off the computer? Surely you jest!

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> Again... Cite? Make it a good one.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:u3TLi1f5HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> PCR wrote:

>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>> news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>>>>> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):

>>>>> There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

>>>>

>>>> That is a cold boot.

>>>>

>>>>> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't

>>>>> have to press any button to restart.

>>>>

>>>> This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &

>>>> Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it

>>>> doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98.

>>>> It

>>>> restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

>>>>

>>>> Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you

>>>> that

>>>> it is no different from a cold boot.

>>>

>>> But you're wrong, because it does NOT remove any resident code or data

>>> left

>>> in memory that could be problematic (in some instances). So it is NOT

>>> "identical", per se, by definition.

>>>

>>> In addition, it is also not identical because the internal hardware

>>> (electronics) has not been powered off and then back on again, which

> could

>>> have some relevance for both hardware and software (low level) issues,

>>> in

>>> some instances).

>>>

>>> That all being said, the practical results are so similar in MOST cases

>>> that

>>> it probably don't matter too much.

>>>

>>> Q.E.D.

>

August 24, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

PS What are you doing up so late? Go get some rest, so I can too, <g>.

--

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MS-MVP Shell/User

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uDkCodh5HHA.5164@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Cite? For what? The fact that the only way RAM memory is completely

> cleared out is to turn off the computer? Surely you jest!

>

> Gary S. Terhune wrote:

>> Again... Cite? Make it a good one.

>>

>> --

>> Gary S. Terhune

>> MS-MVP Shell/User

>>

>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>> news:u3TLi1f5HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> PCR wrote:

>>>> "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote in message

>>>> news:ee6leLG5HHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl

>>>>> Just to clarify (and to correct my own mistakes in terminology):

>>>>> There are three ways to restart a Windows 98 or 95 computer.

>>>>>

>>>>> 1. Shutdown, and then restart the machine manually.

>>>>

>>>> That is a cold boot.

>>>>

>>>>> 2. Restart or Reboot, which does the same as above except you don't

>>>>> have to press any button to restart.

>>>>

>>>> This one is called a "warm boot" by "Windows 98 Secrets" (Livingston &

>>>> Straub), p.297... "This option works just like Shut Down does, but it

>>>> doesn't require that you press Ctrl-Alt-Delete to restart Windows 98.

>>>> It

>>>> restarts Windows 98 with a warm boot."

>>>>

>>>> Since this does reach back to BIOS & post, I tend to agree with you

>>>> that

>>>> it is no different from a cold boot.

>>>

>>> But you're wrong, because it does NOT remove any resident code or data

>>> left

>>> in memory that could be problematic (in some instances). So it is NOT

>>> "identical", per se, by definition.

>>>

>>> In addition, it is also not identical because the internal hardware

>>> (electronics) has not been powered off and then back on again, which

> could

>>> have some relevance for both hardware and software (low level) issues,

>>> in

>>> some instances).

>>>

>>> That all being said, the practical results are so similar in MOST cases

>>> that

>>> it probably don't matter too much.

>>>

>>> Q.E.D.

>

August 24, 2007

Re: Icon Confusion

I'm usually up a bit late - I'm kinda a nite owl. :-)

Gary S. Terhune wrote:

> What makes you say that? I'm serious. I want a reputable cite that

explains

> it all in gory detail. ATX boards are "kept alive" unless you pull the

plug

> or turn off the PWS using a switch (which only some have.)

I don't know anything about ATX boards, per se. Maybe ATX boards never

remove power from the RAM when you turn the computer off, but that sure

seems unlikely, as there's not much point.

> What about that

> case? According to your logic, even turning the computer off might not

flush

> RAM.

Well, "flush" RAM is not the correct terminology here. Let me explain:

Only by turning the computer off will the entire RAM memory contents (with

some parts still potentially containing some code or data) effectively

destroyed.

So when you turn the computer back on again, the contents of all the RAM

will be random to begin with. That can't happen with a reboot.

> Why do you think it is something to take for granted that a reboot doesn't

> clear RAM, since it resets everything else?

I think some of this misunderstanding is due to my misuse of the term "clear

RAM" (if i said that term) here, as I explained above.

> What use is the data contained

> therein? What reason would the designers have for maintaining that data

> through a reboot?

But rebooting does not wipe out the contents of all the RAM. It's not a

question of "trying to maintain the data" - you're missing my point. It's

rather that some of it is still left there.

> Why wouldn't the juice be momentarily cut from RAM like it

> is for nearly everything else. Or does a reboot even do that at all, for

any

> component?

AFAIK, rebooting does NOT remove the *power* from all the RAM chips. And

if you don't remove the power from the RAM, some of its data contents will

still remain, (unless you have some program that deliberately writes data

into all the cells, which would be a separate utility (like to check out the

RAM).

> Yes I want a cite or three. I want to learn more about it.

>

> --

> Gary S. Terhune

> MS-MVP Shell/User