Guest Doc Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large. http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm Thanks
Guest Rebecca Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Doc wrote: > Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are > being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately > whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look > for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by > size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large. Stupid Idiot.
Guest beamish9@gmail.com Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? On Aug 23, 8:38 am, Doc <docsavag...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are > being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately > whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look > for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by > size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large. > > http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm > > Thanks Hello, This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on your unit. The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8 With the proper software you can download "streaming audio". Use a search engine to find an application to record "streaming audio". take care. beamish.
Guest Bob I Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Rebecca wrote: > Doc wrote: > >>Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are >>being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately >>whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look >>for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by >>size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large. > > > Stupid Idiot. > 1. That's redundant. 2. And your humble is on par with your godlike.
Guest dobey Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? "Bob I" <birelan@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ugzjfGa5HHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > > Rebecca wrote: > >> Doc wrote: >> >>>Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are >>>being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately >>>whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look >>>for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by >>>size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large. >> >> >> Stupid Idiot. >> > > 1. That's redundant. > 2. And your humble is on par with your godlike. > Maybe they think it is scantily clad spam?
Guest Doc Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? On Aug 23, 12:07 pm, beami...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hello, > This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on your > unit. > The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8 No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but immediate playback any other time. I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s.
Guest dadiOH Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Doc wrote: > Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files > are being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back > immediately whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. > However, I look for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find > them searching by size and date. As good as they sound, they must > be large. As another poster said, they are stored in "temporary internet files". Size and quality may vary according to the speed of your connection...with my broadband they are 160 kbps. With your dial up they may be - but not necessarily are - lower in kbps so that the downloading speed can keep up with or surpass the playing. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico
Guest Scott Dorsey Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote: > >I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some >other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think >they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s. I have NO idea why this is crossposted to rec.audio.pro, but going to the "view source" function in your browser will tell you all you want to know and probably more. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Guest Tester Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 10:58:19 -0700, Doc <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Aug 23, 12:07 pm, beami...@gmail.com wrote: > >> >> Hello, >> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on your >> unit. >> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8 > >No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long >download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but >immediate playback any other time. > >I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some >other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think >they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s. You might try: 1) URL Snooper (includes WinPCap) - this is a kind of packet sniffer which tells which files your computer is asking for 2) If you're using Firefox, and maybe Mozilla/Netscape there's an Unplug addon which shows media file links on a page. 3) If you're using IE under XP, the browser cache is usually at "C:\Documents and Settings\Yourusername\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5" and then there are directories below there and the files have their online name or something very similar. Firefox/Netscape caches are more complicated to search because the files have different names. I believe there are cache explorer programs for both browsers.
Guest Vanguard Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? "Doc" wrote in message news:1187891899.195612.40910@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > Note: Unrelated newsgroups removed from reply. Newsgroups changed from: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general alt.os.windows-xp 24hoursupport.helpdesk rec.audio.pro to: 24hoursupport.helpdesk > beami...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on >> your >> unit. >> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8 > > No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long > download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but > immediate playback any other time. Wrong. Regardless of your claim, there is no requirement that the audio file be on your host. You keep making claims and then exposing that you haven't a clue how you are receiving the audio or from where you are playing it. You downloaded the pointer file which tells your browser where to find the audio content. The configuration of whatever player you defined to play the audio type is buffering the streamed audio (i.e., it downloads some of the data stream before beginning play mode). > I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some > other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think > they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s. Which further proves you are retrieving streaming audio. Go read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streaming_audio Streaming is one method used to keep users like yourself from stealing content. It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end.
Guest Daave Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? dadiOH wrote: > Doc wrote: >> Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files >> are being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back >> immediately whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. >> However, I look for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find >> them searching by size and date. As good as they sound, they must >> be large. > > As another poster said, they are stored in "temporary internet files". > Size and quality may vary according to the speed of your > connection...with my broadband they are 160 kbps. With your dial up > they may be - but not necessarily are - lower in kbps so that the > downloading speed can keep up with or surpass the playing. Keerect! And to OP: The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view hidden files: Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files and Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and Folders
Guest Daave Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Vanguard wrote: > "Doc" wrote in message > news:1187891899.195612.40910@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com... >> beami...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> This maybe what is called "streaming audio", not being stored on >>> your >>> unit. >>> The player being used on the site: Wimpy Player v 5.3.8 >> >> No, it must be stored somewhere on the computer. There's a long >> download process on the first pass - again, I'm o 56k dialup - but >> immediate playback any other time. > > Wrong. Regardless of your claim, there is no requirement that the > audio file be on your host. You keep making claims and then exposing > that you haven't a clue how you are receiving the audio or from where > you are playing it. He's not clueless. He has correctly concluded that since he's on dialup and "[t]here's a long download process on the first pass," it's probably *not* an instance of streaming. And if you would visit the Web site ( http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm ), you would see this is true. > You downloaded the pointer file which tells your > browser where to find the audio content. The configuration of > whatever player you defined to play the audio type is buffering the > streamed audio (i.e., it downloads some of the data stream before > beginning play mode). Interesting theory, but not supported by the facts. >> I don't find them as .mp3's which makes me think they must be some >> other kind of file, perhaps native to the player? But I would think >> they're going to be around the same size as .mp3s. > > Which further proves you are retrieving streaming audio. It does nothing of the kind! A better theory would be that OP has disabled the showing of hidden files and folders. > Streaming is one method used to keep users like yourself from stealing > content. Stealing is a rather strong term! > It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end. It's also possible to download streaming content.
Guest Doc Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? On Aug 23, 2:05 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > I have NO idea why this is crossposted to rec.audio.pro, Because it seems reasonable to theorize that people who do audio production might have some experience with internet audio issues. Feel complimented - I give you credit for likely having a broad base of experience. > but going to > the "view source" function in your browser will tell you all you want > to know and probably more. Well, under this heading <!-- START WIMPY PLAYER CODE --> I find what appear to be .mp3 titles http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01%20The%20Knot%20Comes%20Untied.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/02%20Hey%20Cowboy.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/03%20Why%20Do%20They%20Call%20It%20Blue.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/04%20Whats%20a%20Girl%20Gotta%20Do.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/05%20Girls%20World.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/06%20Sing%20You%20Back.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/07%20Daddys%20Credit%20Card.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/08%20Only%20Hope.mp3" /> But don't find any of these by doing a search using *.mp3 on my C drive, nor under any of the titles listed.
Guest Richard Crowley Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? "Doc" <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1187905415.131716.12770@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 23, 2:05 pm, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote: > >> I have NO idea why this is crossposted to rec.audio.pro, > > > Because it seems reasonable to theorize that people who do audio > production might have some experience with internet audio issues. Feel > complimented - I give you credit for likely having a broad base of > experience. > > >> but going to >> the "view source" function in your browser will tell you all you want >> to know and probably more. > > > Well, under this heading > > <!-- START WIMPY PLAYER CODE --> > > > I find what appear to be .mp3 titles > > http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01%20The%20Knot%20Comes%20Untied.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/02%20Hey%20Cowboy.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/03%20Why%20Do%20They%20Call%20It%20Blue.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/04%20Whats%20a%20Girl%20Gotta%20Do.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/05%20Girls%20World.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/06%20Sing%20You%20Back.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/07%20Daddys%20Credit%20Card.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/08%20Only%20Hope.mp3" > /> > > > But don't find any of these by doing a search using *.mp3 on my C > drive, nor under any of the titles listed. Search on Windows Explorer doesn't necessarily search EVERY directory on the drive, especially special Windows directories such as caches like this.
Guest Doc Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > > The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view hidden > files: > > Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files and > Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and Folders I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set.
Guest caver1 Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Doc wrote: > On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > >> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view hidden >> files: >> >> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files and >> Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and Folders > > > I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set. > When you do a search you have to tell it to search hidden fileseven if you have the folder options to show hidden files. caver1
Guest Daave Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? caver1 wrote: > Doc wrote: >> On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view >>> hidden files: >>> >>> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > >>> Files and Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden >>> Files and Folders >> >> >> I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set. >> > > > When you do a search you have to tell it to search hidden fileseven if > you have the folder options to show hidden files. Good point.
Guest Daave Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Doc wrote: > On Aug 23, 3:58 pm, "Daave" <dcwashNOS...@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > >> >> The reason you can't see them is that you need to be able to view >> hidden files: >> >> Right-click Start > Explorer > Tools > Folder Options > View > Files >> and Folders > Hidden Files and Folders > check Show Hidden Files and >> Folders > > > I appreciate the input but that's how it's already set. Try C:\Documents and Settings\User\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5 I tried the site, and those MP3s are in my TIF folder, so I'm sure they're in yours, too!
Guest Vanguard Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? "Daave" wrote in message news:46cdf73d$0$514$815e3792@news.qwest.net... > And if you would visit the Web site ( > http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm ), you would see this is true. The TIF location for the local store of downloaded files was already mentioned in a post before mine. I wasn't going to rehash the same answer. The OP said he didn't see the file there (although, after my testing below, it was there) so I figured the audio was streamed because the OP said he couldn't find the file. I'm not interested in visiting a site that requires you to download or use an ActiveX control, especially for an unknown and untrusted site. I also wasn't interested in running their Javascript. The Usenet is full of trolls and malcontents asking you to visit their malicious sites. If they were profferring downloadable music files, Javascript is not a requirement, nor is AX. The site's intent is to provide a preview of the author's music, not let users steal it. Although they tried to hide the music source files by using Javascript (to present the GUI interface for their "player" image) and AX (to handle the content locally), they did a very poor job because they didn't stream it. When Flash is involved, usually the content is streamed. I then looked at the code for the pages. Flash (which is the AX that was blocked when I visited) is used to present some A/V content, as in: <param name="movie" value="http://www.jordynshellhart.com/mp3/wimpy.swf? wimpyApp=http://www.jordynshellhart.com/mp3/wimpy.php &wimpyskin=http://www.jordynshellhart.com/mp3/skins/skin_default.xml&bufferAudio=3 &startPlayingOnload=yes &randomOnLoad=yes &voteScript=http://www.jordynshellhart.com/mp3/votescript.php &trackPlays=http://www.jordynshellhart.com/mp3/trackscript.php &defaultImage=http://www.jordynshellhart.com/mp3/coverart.jpg &playlist=http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01%20The%20Knot%20Comes%20Untied.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/02%20Hey%20Cowboy.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/03%20Why%20Do%20They%20Call%20It%20Blue.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/04%20Whats%20a%20Girl%20Gotta%20Do.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/05%20Girls%20World.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/06%20Sing%20You%20Back.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/07%20Daddys%20Credit%20Card.mp3|http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/08%20Only%20Hope.mp3" /> They use Javascript to load their "player" which uses a .swf script using the local AX control. Usually if Flash is involved, the content is streamed from their server to protect it. Instead the playlist parameter for the .swf script simply points at URLs for the .mp3 files. For example, the first one is for: http://www.jordynshellhart.com/music/01%20The%20Knot%20Comes%20Untied.mp3 Using that URL, and when WMP opens to play (or whatever player the user has configured to handle .mp3 media types), the user could use File -> Save As. That is because a local copy did get saved in the user's TIF for their browser and File -> Save As is merely making another copy of it. The use of Flash to handle the music content eliminates a local player where user could easily use File -> Save As); however, and due to the lazy coding and a cheap site that doesn't use a Flash media server, that doesn't stop a user from using the URL to the file itself (which ends up opening WMP). >> It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end. > > It's also possible to download streaming content. Recording. Downloading. Pot-ay-to. Po-tah-to.
Guest Daave Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Vanguard wrote: > "Daave" wrote in message >>> It can be bypassed by recording the data stream at the client end. >> >> It's also possible to download streaming content. > > Recording. Downloading. > Pot-ay-to. Po-tah-to. More like potato and tomato... If you have either an old PC or a slow dial-up connection, downloading the *actual* digital file is much more preferable than digitally recording an analog signal from a sound card, especially if there is a lot of buffering and stuttering! I don't do this that often, but the few times I do, I find either Streambox VCR or SDP useful.
Guest rrkgroups1 Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? On Aug 23, 11:03 am, "dadiOH" <dad...@guesswhere.com> wrote: > Doc wrote: > > Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files > > are being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back > > immediately whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. > > However, I look for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find > > them searching by size and date. As good as they sound, they must > > be large. > > As another poster said, they are stored in "temporary internet files". > Size and quality may vary according to the speed of your > connection...with my broadband they are 160 kbps. With your dial up > they may be - but not necessarily are - lower in kbps so that the > downloading speed can keep up with or surpass the playing. > > -- > > dadiOH > ____________________________ > > dadiOH'sdandies v3.06... > ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from > LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. > Get it athttp://mysite.verizon.net/xico why my posting is not showing completely
Guest nobody > Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: What kind of audio files are these and where are they being stored? Doc wrote: > Going to this page - click on the blue icon - obviously the files are > being stored somewhere on my system, since they play back immediately > whenever I go back to the site - I'm on 56k dialup. However, I look > for *.mp3 and come up with nothing, nor do I find them searching by > size and date. As good as they sound, they must be large. > > http://jordynshellhart.com/music.htm > > > Thanks > Buy her album.
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