Guest Tecknomage Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there and be able to see all my drives including external 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end of the process (not stop at first error) 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of entire hard drives including partitions) Here are backup utilities I have used: A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT tape B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder on Fileserver C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery CD E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home My evaluations: Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect Win Backup - fails requirement #1 GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, would not recognize my external drives. NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD install. Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what went wrong, not even a filename. So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used and *fulfills my requirements*? -- ======== Tecknomage ======== Computer Systems Specialist San Diego, CA
Guest DL Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please True Image "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. > > > > Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: > > 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there > and be able to see all my drives including external > > 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end > of the process (not stop at first error) > > 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD > > 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of > entire hard drives including partitions) > > > > Here are backup utilities I have used: > > A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our > Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT > tape > > B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to > external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder > on Fileserver > > C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images > > D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery > CD > > E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home > > > > My evaluations: > > Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also > very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect > > Win Backup - fails requirement #1 > > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > would not recognize my external drives. > > NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall > useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about > uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall > application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update > attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a > downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD > install. > > Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails > requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error > then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what > went wrong, not even a filename. > > > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used > and *fulfills my requirements*? > > > -- > ======== Tecknomage ======== > Computer Systems Specialist > San Diego, CA
Guest peter Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/index.html peter "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. > > > > Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: > > 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there > and be able to see all my drives including external > > 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end > of the process (not stop at first error) > > 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD > > 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of > entire hard drives including partitions) > > > > Here are backup utilities I have used: > > A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our > Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT > tape > > B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to > external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder > on Fileserver > > C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images > > D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery > CD > > E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home > > > > My evaluations: > > Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also > very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect > > Win Backup - fails requirement #1 > > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > would not recognize my external drives. > > NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall > useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about > uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall > application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update > attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a > downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD > install. > > Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails > requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error > then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what > went wrong, not even a filename. > > > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used > and *fulfills my requirements*? > > > -- > ======== Tecknomage ======== > Computer Systems Specialist > San Diego, CA
Guest bjoey@nyms.net Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used > and *fulfills my requirements*? May not meet your needs, but I'm trying out the free DriveImage XML - http://www.runtime.org/dixml.htm Or you can get Windows Vista Business/Ultimate and use the built-in Complete PC Backup and Recovery/Restore, which does an image backup :) Go Microsoft!
Guest Merlin Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > > My evaluations: > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > would not recognize my external drives. > I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives.
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please DL, did you read my evaluation section. I am using Acronis True Image now, and it's verification sucks. This is why I posted my msg in the first place. In all other respects Acronis True Image is very good. "DL" wrote: > True Image > > "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > >I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. > > > > > > > > Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: > > > > 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there > > and be able to see all my drives including external > > > > 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end > > of the process (not stop at first error) > > > > 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD > > > > 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of > > entire hard drives including partitions) > > > > > > > > Here are backup utilities I have used: > > > > A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our > > Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT > > tape > > > > B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to > > external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder > > on Fileserver > > > > C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images > > > > D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery > > CD > > > > E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home > > > > > > > > My evaluations: > > > > Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also > > very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect > > > > Win Backup - fails requirement #1 > > > > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > > would not recognize my external drives. > > > > NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall > > useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about > > uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall > > application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update > > attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a > > downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD > > install. > > > > Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails > > requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error > > then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what > > went wrong, not even a filename. > > > > > > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used > > and *fulfills my requirements*? > > > > > > -- > > ======== Tecknomage ======== > > Computer Systems Specialist > > San Diego, CA > > >
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external Firewire hard drive. Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For disaster recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that will restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external hard drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... "Merlin" wrote: > > "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > > > > My evaluations: > > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > > would not recognize my external drives. > > > I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. > > >
Guest DL Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please The only time I've had problems with TI, it was caused by a memory module "Tecknomage" <Tecknomage@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:F51846AD-2D25-4ED9-887A-156A4E580CD3@microsoft.com... > DL, did you read my evaluation section. > > I am using Acronis True Image now, and it's verification sucks. This is > why > I posted my msg in the first place. > > In all other respects Acronis True Image is very good. > > > > "DL" wrote: > >> True Image >> >> "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >> >I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use >> > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. >> > >> > >> > >> > Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: >> > >> > 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there >> > and be able to see all my drives including external >> > >> > 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end >> > of the process (not stop at first error) >> > >> > 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD >> > >> > 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of >> > entire hard drives including partitions) >> > >> > >> > >> > Here are backup utilities I have used: >> > >> > A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our >> > Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT >> > tape >> > >> > B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to >> > external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder >> > on Fileserver >> > >> > C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images >> > >> > D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery >> > CD >> > >> > E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home >> > >> > >> > >> > My evaluations: >> > >> > Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also >> > very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect >> > >> > Win Backup - fails requirement #1 >> > >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, >> > would not recognize my external drives. >> > >> > NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall >> > useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about >> > uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall >> > application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update >> > attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a >> > downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD >> > install. >> > >> > Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails >> > requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error >> > then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what >> > went wrong, not even a filename. >> > >> > >> > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used >> > and *fulfills my requirements*? >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ======== Tecknomage ======== >> > Computer Systems Specialist >> > San Diego, CA >> >> >>
Guest Merlin Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please "Tecknomage" <Tecknomage@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. > > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external Firewire > hard drive. > > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For disaster > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that will > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external hard > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... > > > "Merlin" wrote: > >> >> "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >> > >> > My evaluations: >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, >> > would not recognize my external drives. >> > >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. >> >> >> Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery cd, no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop.
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please Thanks. I'll have to see if I still have my Ghost CD and check again, but my external devices are Firewire which *may* be the problem. If I could get Ghost to work I may go back to using it. "Merlin" wrote: > "Tecknomage" <Tecknomage@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... > > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. > > > > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external Firewire > > hard drive. > > > > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For disaster > > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that will > > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external hard > > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... > > > > > > "Merlin" wrote: > > > >> > >> "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > >> news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > >> > > >> > My evaluations: > >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > >> > would not recognize my external drives. > >> > > >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. > >> > >> > >> > > > Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery cd, > no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop. > > >
Guest Merlin Posted August 24, 2007 Posted August 24, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please "Tecknomage" <Tecknomage@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:88AC0245-859D-4CFC-BBBE-195E214C5D20@microsoft.com... > Thanks. I'll have to see if I still have my Ghost CD and check again, but > my > external devices are Firewire which *may* be the problem. > > If I could get Ghost to work I may go back to using it. > > > "Merlin" wrote: > >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknomage@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... >> > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. >> > >> > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external >> > Firewire >> > hard drive. >> > >> > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For >> > disaster >> > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that >> > will >> > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external >> > hard >> > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... >> > >> > >> > "Merlin" wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> >> news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >> >> > >> >> > My evaluations: >> >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, >> >> > would not recognize my external drives. >> >> > >> >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery >> cd, >> no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop. >> >> >> You need to make a boot disk and when you docheck the options for usb support and firewire support. From that boot disk you simply make a bootable cd for use on systems with no floppy drive.
Guest Plato Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please Tecknomage wrote: > > I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. One can try: http://www.xxclone.com/ -- http://www.bootdisk.com/
Guest bjoey@nyms.net Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please On Aug 24, 5:25 pm, Plato <|@|.|> wrote: > Tecknomage wrote: > > > I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. > > One can try: > > http://www.xxclone.com/ Do you know if this tool make use of Microsoft's Volume Shadow Services to enable copying of open files?
Guest bjoey@nyms.net Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please On Aug 24, 2:05 pm, "Merlin" <Mer...@noway.com> wrote: > "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:88AC0245-859D-4CFC-BBBE-195E214C5D20@microsoft.com... > > > > > Thanks. I'll have to see if I still have my Ghost CD and check again, but > > my > > external devices are Firewire which *may* be the problem. > > > If I could get Ghost to work I may go back to using it. > > > "Merlin" wrote: > > >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >>news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... > >> > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. > > >> > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external > >> > Firewire > >> > hard drive. > > >> > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For > >> > disaster > >> > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that > >> > will > >> > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external > >> > hard > >> > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... > > >> > "Merlin" wrote: > > >> >> "Tecknomage" <teckn...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > >> >>news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > > >> >> > My evaluations: > >> >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > >> >> > would not recognize my external drives. > > >> >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. > > >> Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery > >> cd, > >> no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop. > > You need to make a boot disk and when you docheck the options for usb > support and firewire support. From that boot disk you simply make a bootable > cd for use on systems with no floppy drive. With Norton Ghost 2003, if you add USB and Firewire drivers to the generated boot floppy, you will need 2 disks. I know how to make 1 bootable CD out of 1 bootable floppy, but how do you make 1 bootable CD out of 2 3.5" disks? The newer versions from Symantec include a startup CD with (all?) necessary drivers. Unlike Ghost 2003, the newer versions can clone while Windows is in operation.
Guest kolias Posted August 25, 2007 Posted August 25, 2007 RE: Backup Utility Recommendations Please It is now 3 years that I use AISBackup ( http://www.aiscl.co.uk ) and I think it is the best backup software in the market. In addition you get excellent support by email. Give it try. "Tecknomage" wrote: > I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. > > > > Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: > > 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there > and be able to see all my drives including external > > 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end > of the process (not stop at first error) > > 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD > > 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of > entire hard drives including partitions) > > > > Here are backup utilities I have used: > > A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our > Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT > tape > > B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to > external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder > on Fileserver > > C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images > > D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery > CD > > E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home > > > > My evaluations: > > Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also > very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect > > Win Backup - fails requirement #1 > > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > would not recognize my external drives. > > NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall > useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about > uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall > application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update > attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a > downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD > install. > > Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails > requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error > then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what > went wrong, not even a filename. > > > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used > and *fulfills my requirements*? > > > -- > ======== Tecknomage ======== > Computer Systems Specialist > San Diego, CA >
Guest Paul Randall Posted August 26, 2007 Posted August 26, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please If you look at the structure of the two floppies, you will find that the first one has all the bootup stuff and an empty ghost folder. The second one has command.com program so that disc one isnt needed after each program ends. Disc 2 has the same ghost folder which contains the 1 Mb ghost.exe program. The bootable CD has a special boot area that contains the image of a bootable disc, typically a bootable floppy, but I think it could be a much larger image than a 1.44 Mb floppy. In any case, the Ghost.exe program does not have to be in that bootable image - it can reside in the 600 plus megabyte body of the CD. If the boot floppy could access the CD, the bootable CD made from that floppy image can access the CD. When the boot CD boots up, you can access the floppy image through the a: drive. At the same time you can access the rest of the cd from the drive letter assigned to the CD during bootup. With all that space on the CD, you could put whatever utilities you like on it and have it all accessible at once. Way more versatile than just booting from a floppy. If you use a W98SE or later boot floppy, it can access FAT32 drives. There are DOS drivers that allow access to NTFS drives. Ghost.exe knows how to make and restore images of NTFS and Fat32 and older DOS type formatting as well as the partition structure, whether or not the DOS it is running knows about that stuff. Play with it -- you will find customizing your boot CD quite easy. CD-RWs make it cheap to play with. -Paul Randall <bjoey@nyms.net> wrote in message news:1188053620.381750.220160@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 24, 2:05 pm, "Merlin" <Mer...@noway.com> wrote: >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:88AC0245-859D-4CFC-BBBE-195E214C5D20@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > Thanks. I'll have to see if I still have my Ghost CD and check again, >> > but >> > my >> > external devices are Firewire which *may* be the problem. >> >> > If I could get Ghost to work I may go back to using it. >> >> > "Merlin" wrote: >> >> >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >>news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... >> >> > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. >> >> >> > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external >> >> > Firewire >> >> > hard drive. >> >> >> > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For >> >> > disaster >> >> > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that >> >> > will >> >> > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external >> >> > hard >> >> > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... >> >> >> > "Merlin" wrote: >> >> >> >> "Tecknomage" <teckn...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> > My evaluations: >> >> >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, >> >> >> > would not recognize my external drives. >> >> >> >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. >> >> >> Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery >> >> cd, >> >> no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop. >> >> You need to make a boot disk and when you docheck the options for usb >> support and firewire support. From that boot disk you simply make a >> bootable >> cd for use on systems with no floppy drive. > > With Norton Ghost 2003, if you add USB and Firewire drivers to the > generated boot floppy, you will need 2 disks. > I know how to make 1 bootable CD out of 1 bootable floppy, but how do > you make 1 bootable CD out of 2 > 3.5" disks? > > The newer versions from Symantec include a startup CD with (all?) > necessary drivers. > Unlike Ghost 2003, the newer versions can clone while Windows is in > operation. >
Guest Merlin Posted August 26, 2007 Posted August 26, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please <bjoey@nyms.net> wrote in message news:1188053620.381750.220160@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com... > On Aug 24, 2:05 pm, "Merlin" <Mer...@noway.com> wrote: >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:88AC0245-859D-4CFC-BBBE-195E214C5D20@microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > Thanks. I'll have to see if I still have my Ghost CD and check again, >> > but >> > my >> > external devices are Firewire which *may* be the problem. >> >> > If I could get Ghost to work I may go back to using it. >> >> > "Merlin" wrote: >> >> >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >>news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... >> >> > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. >> >> >> > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external >> >> > Firewire >> >> > hard drive. >> >> >> > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For >> >> > disaster >> >> > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that >> >> > will >> >> > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external >> >> > hard >> >> > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... >> >> >> > "Merlin" wrote: >> >> >> >> "Tecknomage" <teckn...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message >> >> >>news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> > My evaluations: >> >> >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, >> >> >> > would not recognize my external drives. >> >> >> >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. >> >> >> Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery >> >> cd, >> >> no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop. >> >> You need to make a boot disk and when you docheck the options for usb >> support and firewire support. From that boot disk you simply make a >> bootable >> cd for use on systems with no floppy drive. > > With Norton Ghost 2003, if you add USB and Firewire drivers to the > generated boot floppy, you will need 2 disks. > I know how to make 1 bootable CD out of 1 bootable floppy, but how do > you make 1 bootable CD out of 2 > 3.5" disks? > > The newer versions from Symantec include a startup CD with (all?) > necessary drivers. > Unlike Ghost 2003, the newer versions can clone while Windows is in > operation. > If you select USB in the Peer to Peer Options than yes it will require 2 disks. But If you are only selecting USB & Firewire support under External Storage Options than only 1 disk will be required. Paul Randall has given an detailed description on how to handle making a bootable cd from a 2 disk set.
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 27, 2007 Posted August 27, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please My problem with TI if for whatever reason it does not like backing up any Recycle folder, or System Volume Information folder. If I do a file backup with any of these folder checked, verification fails. If I do not backup these folders, file backups verify OK. This means a drive image backup always fails. What really makes TI (IMHO) bad is its verification fail report. The only info you get is a very cryptic "Tag" that tells you nothing of what failed. More importantly, the verification stops at the first error, does not continue verifying the remainder of the backup. This is the ONLY backup utility I have used that does this. All others verify the entire backup and give a report at the end with details; filename, etc. I have yet to get an answer from Acronis Support on what a "Tag" means. On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 18:19:47 +0100, "DL" <address@invalid> wrote: > The only time I've had problems with TI, it was caused by a memory module > > "Tecknomage" <Tecknomage@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:F51846AD-2D25-4ED9-887A-156A4E580CD3@microsoft.com... > > DL, did you read my evaluation section. > > > > I am using Acronis True Image now, and it's verification sucks. This is > > why > > I posted my msg in the first place. > > > > In all other respects Acronis True Image is very good. > > > > > > > > "DL" wrote: > > > >> True Image > >> > >> "Tecknomage" <tecknode@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > >> news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > >> >I am looking for recommendations for a reliable backup utility to use > >> > at home on a WinXP Pro SP2 system. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Here are my requirements for what I'm looking for: > >> > > >> > 1) Must be able to make a bootable CD and run the utility from there > >> > and be able to see all my drives including external > >> > > >> > 2) Verification must process the entire backup and report at the end > >> > of the process (not stop at first error) > >> > > >> > 3) Must be able to backup to hard drives (internal/external), CD, DVD > >> > > >> > 4) Must be able to do file backups & hard drive images (image of > >> > entire hard drives including partitions) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Here are backup utilities I have used: > >> > > >> > A) Veritas (aka Symantec Backup Exec) - used at work on our > >> > Fileserver; incremental, all files accessed in the last 7 days, to DLT > >> > tape > >> > > >> > B) Win Backup (aka NTBackup.exe) - at work for weekly full backup to > >> > external hard drive, and occasionally on my work desktop to my folder > >> > on Fileserver > >> > > >> > C) GHOST - used at work & home, file backups and images > >> > > >> > D) NERO's BackItUp - used at work on a product we ship for a recovery > >> > CD > >> > > >> > E) Acronis True Image 10 Home - presently using at home > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > My evaluations: > >> > > >> > Veritas - This is a server utility and not good for home use (also > >> > very $$). Fails my requirement #1 but excellent in every other respect > >> > > >> > Win Backup - fails requirement #1 > >> > > >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > >> > would not recognize my external drives. > >> > > >> > NERO's BackItUp - Same problem as GHOST plus found NERO uninstall > >> > useless. NERO knows this because when I contacted them about > >> > uninstalling, they gave me a link to download a special NEROUinstall > >> > application. Note that NERO updates fail for the same reason, update > >> > attempts to do an uninstall first and it fails. Also, this was a > >> > downloaded version of NERO, my be different for a out-of-box CD > >> > install. > >> > > >> > Acronis True Image 10 Home - excellent, except it totally fails > >> > requirement #2! Their verification process stops at the first error > >> > then reports with a very cryptic "Tag" which gives you no idea of what > >> > went wrong, not even a filename. > >> > > >> > > >> > So, can anyone recommend a another backup utility that you have used > >> > and *fulfills my requirements*? > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > ======== Tecknomage ======== > >> > Computer Systems Specialist > >> > San Diego, CA > >> > >> > >> > -- ======== Tecknomage ======== Computer Systems Specialist San Diego, CA
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 27, 2007 Posted August 27, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 07:53:40 -0700, bjoey@nyms.net wrote: > On Aug 24, 2:05 pm, "Merlin" <Mer...@noway.com> wrote: > > "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > > > news:88AC0245-859D-4CFC-BBBE-195E214C5D20@microsoft.com... > > > > > > > > > Thanks. I'll have to see if I still have my Ghost CD and check again, but > > > my > > > external devices are Firewire which *may* be the problem. > > > > > If I could get Ghost to work I may go back to using it. > > > > > "Merlin" wrote: > > > > >> "Tecknomage" <Tecknom...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >>news:6869756C-BE4B-4678-A5D9-40A2CD55EB62@microsoft.com... > > >> > Merlin, note my specification is the Boot CD used in recovery. > > > > >> > I used Ghost 2003 and the boot CD did not recognize my external > > >> > Firewire > > >> > hard drive. > > > > >> > Ghost run from the desktop did see the external of course. For > > >> > disaster > > >> > recovery, your C: goes by-by, you need to boot to a recovery CD that > > >> > will > > >> > restore your C: image to a new drive, if the image is on an external > > >> > hard > > >> > drive and the boot CD cannot see it..... > > > > >> > "Merlin" wrote: > > > > >> >> "Tecknomage" <teckn...@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message > > >> >>news:j3etc355djs28m7ablisclu22j49ss73ng@4ax.com... > > > > >> >> > My evaluations: > > >> >> > GHOST - Boot CD, the GHOST install CD which is used for recovery, > > >> >> > would not recognize my external drives. > > > > >> >> I have no trouble with Ghost 2003 recognizing my external drives. > > > > >> Yes, I've restored my HDD from my external usb drive using my recovery > > >> cd, > > >> no problem at all. I don't run Ghost from my desktop. > > > > You need to make a boot disk and when you docheck the options for usb > > support and firewire support. From that boot disk you simply make a bootable > > cd for use on systems with no floppy drive. > > With Norton Ghost 2003, if you add USB and Firewire drivers to the > generated boot floppy, you will need 2 disks. > I know how to make 1 bootable CD out of 1 bootable floppy, but how do > you make 1 bootable CD out of 2 > 3.5" disks? > We tried the DOS Boot floppy at work. Problem, the DOS version has no driver to recognize DVDs, only CDs. Had to drop Ghost for product backups. Found NERO BackItUp module worked, and the first DVD of a set is a boot with BackItUp on it. Since our product had NERO installed anyway, using BackItUp to make a recovery DVD set is a very good solution. > The newer versions from Symantec include a startup CD with (all?) > necessary drivers. > Unlike Ghost 2003, the newer versions can clone while Windows is in > operation. -- ======== Tecknomage ======== Computer Systems Specialist San Diego, CA
Guest Daave Posted August 27, 2007 Posted August 27, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please Tecknomage wrote: > What really makes TI (IMHO) bad is its verification fail report. The > only info you get is a very cryptic "Tag" that tells you nothing of > what failed. What is the exact text? Is it something like: "The file is corrupted. (0x4000D) Tag = 0xC847B314771C5F00"
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 27, 2007 Posted August 27, 2007 RE: Backup Utility Recommendations Please I've been searching around and the following look very promising: NovaBACKUP 8 http://www.novastor.com/pcbackup/backup/n_backup.html O&O DiskImage 2 http://www.oo-software.com/home/en/products/oodiskimage/ I'm trying NovaBACKUP this weekend. Note: "O&O DiskImage 2 Professional Edition and revive a system without prior installation of the software. CD is based on Microsoft Windows Vista and contains all standard drivers included in Windows, eliminating the need on most systems for the complicated loading of extra drivers." But, there's always a but, you have to purchase the download anyway before you can get the CD.
Guest GeraldF Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please In article <otd5d3hr8hb7uq7tb9sv3d326rki0ta8vj@4ax.com>, tecknode@NOSPAM.com says... > My problem with TI if for whatever reason it does not like backing up > any Recycle folder, or System Volume Information folder. > True Image has never failed on over 20 machines (98, 2000, XP, SBS Server, and Vista Ultimate) for the past 4 years. What are you doing differently?
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:01:32 -0400, "Daave" <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > Tecknomage wrote: > > > What really makes TI (IMHO) bad is its verification fail report. The > > only info you get is a very cryptic "Tag" that tells you nothing of > > what failed. > > What is the exact text? Is it something like: > > "The file is corrupted. (0x4000D) Tag = 0xC847B314771C5F00" > Yap. That's it. This reminds me of the days of cryptic error codes, "System error code 40" as if we are suppose to be able to do anything with that info. -- ======== Tecknomage ======== Computer Systems Specialist San Diego, CA
Guest Tecknomage Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 22:04:12 -0700, GeraldF <me@somewhere.com> wrote: > In article <otd5d3hr8hb7uq7tb9sv3d326rki0ta8vj@4ax.com>, > tecknode@NOSPAM.com says... > > My problem with TI if for whatever reason it does not like backing up > > any Recycle folder, or System Volume Information folder. > > > > True Image has never failed on over 20 machines (98, > 2000, XP, SBS Server, and Vista Ultimate) for the past 4 > years. What are you doing differently? > I don't know. Note, I ran Win Backup (NTBackup) on C:, with verification, no problems. Hummmm.... I wonder if TI has been tested on a PC with a SiS motherboard? -- ======== Tecknomage ======== Computer Systems Specialist San Diego, CA
Guest Daave Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Backup Utility Recommendations Please Tecknomage wrote: > On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:01:32 -0400, "Daave" > <dcwashNOSPAM@myrealboxXYZ.invalid> wrote: > >> Tecknomage wrote: >> >>> What really makes TI (IMHO) bad is its verification fail report. >>> The only info you get is a very cryptic "Tag" that tells you >>> nothing of what failed. >> >> What is the exact text? Is it something like: >> >> "The file is corrupted. (0x4000D) Tag = 0xC847B314771C5F00" >> > > > Yap. That's it. According to results from a Google search, this error is actually rare, and I'm pretty sure there's no definitive explanantion. Anyway, have a look at: http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=152060
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