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Guest Big Al
Posted

Is there a way to download Windows Updates to one computer to be copied to

another computer & installed there ? My laptop has a fast wireless

connection to get the updates. My desktop only has a slow dial-up. For

personal reasons, I don't want to change the desktop to wireless. So if I

can only download the updates recommended by Microsoft for my desktop on my

laptop - it will go MUCH faster. My phone company charges my dial-up access

by the minute. The updates would take an hour or more with dial-up. The

same updates with wireless would take seconds. Thanks for any detailed

help.

 

....Al

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Guest Bruce Chambers
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Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Big Al wrote:

> Is there a way to download Windows Updates to one computer to be copied to

> another computer & installed there ? My laptop has a fast wireless

> connection to get the updates. My desktop only has a slow dial-up. For

> personal reasons, I don't want to change the desktop to wireless. So if I

> can only download the updates recommended by Microsoft for my desktop on my

> laptop - it will go MUCH faster. My phone company charges my dial-up access

> by the minute. The updates would take an hour or more with dial-up. The

> same updates with wireless would take seconds. Thanks for any detailed

> help.

>

> ...Al

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

Microsoft Download Center Windows Security & Updates

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/Browse.aspx?displaylang=en&categoryid=7

 

 

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Guest Big Al
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Thank you, but I am aware of that website & have been there before. But I

want to know how to d/l the updates I need for my desktop, copy them &

install them.

......Al

Guest Bruce Chambers
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Big Al wrote:

> Thank you, but I am aware of that website & have been there before. But I

> want to know how to d/l the updates I need for my desktop, copy them &

> install them.

> .....Al

>

>

 

 

Simply click the link for the update(s) that you need, and follow the

on-screen instructions to save the files. Then burn them to a CD, or

use a thumb drive to transfer them to the desktop, and run each executable.

 

 

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Guest Big Al
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Thanks for the info. I'll try that.

......Al

Guest Shenan Stanley
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Big Al wrote:

> Is there a way to download Windows Updates to one computer to be

> copied to another computer & installed there ? My laptop has a

> fast wireless connection to get the updates. My desktop only has a

> slow dial-up. For personal reasons, I don't want to change the

> desktop to wireless. So if I can only download the updates

> recommended by Microsoft for my desktop on my laptop - it will go

> MUCH faster. My phone company charges my dial-up access by the

> minute. The updates would take an hour or more with dial-up. The

> same updates with wireless would take seconds. Thanks for any

> detailed help.

 

Each month Microsoft releases that month's updates in ISO format:

January 2006-current

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086

 

If you are more trusting:

 

AutoPatcher

http://www.autopatcher.com/

 

Windows Updates Downloader

http://wud.jcarle.com/

 

You can download each update manually - based off the KB Article number,

etc. That way you can back it up/burn a CD of them in case you need them or

use them to keep a slipstream/integrated (updated) Windows XP CD.

 

How to use the Windows Update Catalog

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166

(In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get the

patches..)

 

Windows Update Catalog

http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

(In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get the

patches..)

 

Creating an Integrated Installation

http://snipurl.com/el43

 

Integrate software updates into your Windows installation source files

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/828930

 

Really customize your CD..

http://unattended.msfn.org/

 

Produce an up-to-date XP Distribution CD

http://xpcreate.com/

 

AutoStreamer

http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=223562

 

You can see the critical (security and other) patches released for a given

month using the following:

 

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms##-***.mspx

 

At the end of this line you see "ms##-***.mspx" .. If you simply replace ##

with the two-digit year and the *** with the three character month

abbreviation, you will see the list of "critical" and "important" patches

for that month (since it only happens once a month usually, if you check by

the second Tuesday (wait until afternoon) of each month - you should be

fine) - note that future months will not work.

 

As an example...

 

December 2004's patches..

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms04-dec.mspx

 

March 2005's patches..

None released.. so that one will fail...

 

May 2006's patches..

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-may.mspx

 

January 2007's patches..

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms07-jan.mspx

 

 

Once you get on the page with each month's list of patches.. You can go to

the related KB articles and grab the appropriate files from there.

 

Need Microsoft Office updates?

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/downloads/maincatalog.aspx

 

 

Here's a list of updates from SP2 until about April 2007 to get you

started...

 

Direct Download of Service Pack 2 (SP2) for Windows XP

http://snipurl.com/8bqy

 

Critical Updates

----------------------

Released: -- [ Web Page Address ] -- Description:

9/14/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885626 ]

-- Critical Update for Windows XP

11/22/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887742 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885835 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885836 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/886185 ]

-- Critical Update for Windows XP

12/13/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/873339 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

2/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/891781 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

2/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/888302 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

2/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887472 ]

-- Security Update for Windows Messenger

4/11/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890859 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

5/18/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894391 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

5/24/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896344 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

6/13/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896358 ]

-- Security Update for Microsoft Windows XP

6/13/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896428 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

6/24/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900930 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

6/27/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/898461 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

7/11/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/901214 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/896423 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899587 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/899591 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893756 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/901017 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902400 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905749 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/905414 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/10/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900725 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

12/12/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910437 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

12/13/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/904706 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

1/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908519 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

2/13/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911927 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

4/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911562 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

4/18/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/904942 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

4/25/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/900485 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

4/25/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/908531 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

5/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913580 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

6/6/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/916595 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

6/8/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918439 ]

-- Vulnerability in ART Image Rendering Could Allow Remote Code

Execution in Internet Explorer for Windows XP SP2

6/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914389 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

6/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917953 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

6/13/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917344 ]

-- JScript 5.6 Security Update for Windows XP SP1 and SP2

6/27/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911280 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

7/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917159 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

7/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/914388 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917422 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920670 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922616 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/7/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920683 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

8/17/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920872 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

9/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920685 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

9/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922582 ]

-- Update for Windows XP

9/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/919007 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922819 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924496 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923414 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

10/9/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923191 ]

-- Security Update for Windows XP

11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/920213 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft Agent could allow remote code

execution

11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923789 ]

-- Vulnerabilities in Macromedia Flash Player from Adobe

could allow remote code execution

11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924270 ]

-- Vulnerability in Workstation Service could allow

remote code execution

11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928088 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft XML Core Services could

allow remote code execution

11/14/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923980 ]

-- Vulnerability in the Client Service could allow remote code

execution

12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926247 ]

-- Vulnerability in Simple Network Management Protocol (SNMP)

could allow remote code execution

12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926255 ]

-- Vulnerability in Windows could allow elevation of privilege

12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923694 ]

-- Cumulative security update for Outlook Express

1/9/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929969 ]

-- Vulnerability in Vector Markup Language

Could Allow Remote Code Execution

* If you have installed IE7, also install the IE7 version

of this patch!

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928255 ]

-- Vulnerability in Windows Shell Could Allow Elevation

of Privilege

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927802 ]

-- Vulnerability in Windows Image Acquisition Service

Could Allow Elevation of Privilege

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928843 ]

-- Vulnerability in HTML Help ActiveX Control Could

Allow Remote Code Execution

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927779 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft Data Access Components

Could Allow Remote Code Execution

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926436 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft OLE Dialog Could Allow

Remote Code Execution

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/924667 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft MFC Could Allow Remote

Code Execution

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/918118 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft RichEdit Could Allow

Remote Code Execution

2/13/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928090 ]

-- Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer

* If you have IE7, obtain that version of this update.

4/3/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925902 ]

-- Vulnerabilities in GDI Could Allow Remote Code Execution

4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931261 ]

-- Vulnerability in Universal Plug and Play Could

Allow Remote Code Execution

4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932168 ]

-- Vulnerability in Microsoft Agent Could Allow Remote

Code Execution

4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/930178 ]

-- Vulnerabilities in CSRSS Could Allow Remote Code

Execution

4/10/2007 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/931784 ]

-- Vulnerability in Windows Kernel Could Allow

Elevation of Privilege

 

Media Player:

-------------------

Released: -- [ Web Page Address: ] -- Description:

9/2/2004 -- [ http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=30984 ]

-- Windows Media Player 10

11/7/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/902344 ]

-- Update for WMDRM-enabled Media Players

2/13/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911564 ]

-- Security Update for Windows Media Player Plug-in

4/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/911565 ]

-- Security Update for Windows Media Player 10 for Windows XP

6/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917734 ]

-- Security Update for Windows Media Player 10 for Windows XP

12/12/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923689 ]

-- Vulnerability in Windows Media Format Could Allow Remote

Code Execution

 

..NET Framework:

------------------------

Released: -- [ Web Page Address: ] -- Description:

3/30/2004 -- [ http://snipurl.com/10bde ]

-- Microsoft .NET Framework Version 1.1 Redistributable Package

8/30/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/885055 ]

-- Microsoft .NET Framework 1.1 Service Pack 1

2/8/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/887219 ]

-- ASP.NET Security Update for Microsoft NET Framework 1.1

Service Pack 1

3/22/2006 -- [ http://snipurl.com/10bdv ]

-- Microsoft .NET Framework Version 2.0 Redistributable

Package (x86)

7/11/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/917283 ]

-- NDP 2.0 ASP.Net Security Update

10/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/922770 ]

-- NET Framework 2.0 SYSTEM.WEB.DLL Security Update

 

Other Updates:

---------------------

Released: -- [ Web Page Address: ] -- Description:

9/14/2004 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/873374 ]

-- Microsoft GDI+ Detection Tool

9/2/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/893803 ]

-- Windows Installer 3.1 Redistributable (v2)

10/14/2005 -- [ http://snipurl.com/10bex ]

-- Windows Media Connect 2.0

11/29/2005 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/909520 ]

-- Microsoft Base Smart Card Cryptographic Service Provider

Package: x86

10/10/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830 ]

-- Microsoft® Windows® Malicious Software Removal Tool

- November 2006

 

Purely OPTIONAL:

----------------------

10/18/2006 -- [ http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/downloads/ ]

-- Internet Explorer 7.0

10/30/2006 -- [ http://snipurl.com/167ea ]

-- Media Player 11

12/8/2006 -- [ http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925876 ]

-- Remote Desktop Connection 6.0 client

 

--

Shenan Stanley

MS-MVP

--

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Guest PA Bear
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

How will you know what updates the desktop needs, Al?

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-Windows (IE, OE, Security, Shell/User)

AumHa VSOP & Admin; DTS-L.org

 

Big Al wrote:

> Is there a way to download Windows Updates to one computer to be copied to

> another computer & installed there ? My laptop has a fast wireless

> connection to get the updates. My desktop only has a slow dial-up. For

> personal reasons, I don't want to change the desktop to wireless. So if I

> can only download the updates recommended by Microsoft for my desktop on

> my

> laptop - it will go MUCH faster. My phone company charges my dial-up

> access

> by the minute. The updates would take an hour or more with dial-up. The

> same updates with wireless would take seconds. Thanks for any detailed

> help.

>

> ...Al

Guest Big Al
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

I will first go to Microsoft Windows Update site & let the site read what my

desktop needs. I will then copy the numbers of the necessary updates & then

download them with my laptop ( I hope ). I can't try that until next month

because I am up to date on the desktop for this month ( several short

sessions so as not to tie up the land line phone for an hour or so )

......Al

 

"PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23pzbJqF6HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| How will you know what updates the desktop needs, Al?

| --

| ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

Guest Big Al
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

A LOT of information there. Thanks, but I think most of it doesn't help me

on how to solve my problem in simple steps.

I'm sort of a newbie here & I don't understand a lot of it. I'll keep

reading some of it & see if will help. Thanks again.

.......Al

 

 

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:usCYCwD6HHA.5796@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|

| Each month Microsoft releases that month's updates in ISO format:

| January 2006-current

| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086

|

| If you are more trusting:

|

| AutoPatcher

| http://www.autopatcher.com/

|

| Windows Updates Downloader

| http://wud.jcarle.com/

|

| You can download each update manually - based off the KB Article number,

| etc. That way you can back it up/burn a CD of them in case you need them

or

| use them to keep a slipstream/integrated (updated) Windows XP CD.

|

| How to use the Windows Update Catalog

| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/323166

| (In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get the

| patches..)

|

| Windows Update Catalog

| http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/catalog/en/default.asp

| (In order to use the Windows Update Catalog, you must use IE to get the

| patches..)

|

SNIP

Guest Shenan Stanley
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Big Al wrote:

> Is there a way to download Windows Updates to one computer to be

> copied to another computer & installed there ? My laptop has a

> fast wireless connection to get the updates. My desktop only has a

> slow dial-up. For personal reasons, I don't want to change the

> desktop to wireless. So if I can only download the updates

> recommended by Microsoft for my desktop on my laptop - it will go

> MUCH faster. My phone company charges my dial-up access by the

> minute. The updates would take an hour or more with dial-up. The

> same updates with wireless would take seconds. Thanks for any

> detailed help.

 

Shenan Stanley wrote:

> Each month Microsoft releases that month's updates in ISO format:

> January 2006-current

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/913086

>

> If you are more trusting:

>

> AutoPatcher

> http://www.autopatcher.com/

>

> Windows Updates Downloader

> http://wud.jcarle.com/

>

> You can download each update manually - based off the KB Article

> number, etc. That way you can back it up/burn a CD of them in

> case you need them or use them to keep a slipstream/integrated

> (updated) Windows XP CD.

<snip>

Entire Thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/browse_frm/thread/bde083688103bf86/34aa75f60f918039?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1#34aa75f60f918039

 

Big Al wrote:

> A LOT of information there. Thanks, but I think most of it doesn't

> help me on how to solve my problem in simple steps.

> I'm sort of a newbie here & I don't understand a lot of it. I'll

> keep reading some of it & see if will help. Thanks again.

> ......Al

 

Not much there at all... Not if you take a minute to break it down into

parts...

 

The first part helps if you know the last month you got updates - then you

download each month's ISO and burn to CD that your desktop doesn't have.

 

The second part has a couple of applications you could utilize that

essentially do all the work for you - so you have *all* the updates and can

write them to external media to get to your desktop machine.

 

The third part is using the Windows Update Catalog to get updates.

 

The fourth part would be using those updates you got in one of the three

ways above and integrating it into your installation media - which you

may/may not need.

 

The fifth part is *another* way of seeing what updates were released in a

given month so you can read and see which ones apply to you.

 

The sixth part just shows you that you can get office updates as well.

 

The seventh part literally gives you the links to every update (from SP2

through April 2007) that you might need on a Windows XP system. If you

followed each link and downloaded the patch/update from the corresponding

"IT Professional" version of the web page - you would have every update in

one single place - where ever that might be.

 

 

However - your best solution - depending on what you mean by 'wireless' - is

to purchase some external device to allow you to use the same internet on

your desktop that you use on your laptop. That is more difficult if, by

wireless, you mean something like a cellular modem. If it is just wireless

in terms of actual wireless internet (like with a wireless router connected

to cable/dsl) - then a simple $40-$100 USB device would give you high-speed

on your desktop.

 

--

Shenan Stanley

MS-MVP

--

How To Ask Questions The Smart Way

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Guest PA Bear
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Very good.

 

Big Al wrote:

> I will first go to Microsoft Windows Update site & let the site read what

> my

> desktop needs. I will then copy the numbers of the necessary updates &

> then

> download them with my laptop ( I hope ). I can't try that until next

> month

> because I am up to date on the desktop for this month ( several short

> sessions so as not to tie up the land line phone for an hour or so )

> .....Al

>

> "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:%23pzbJqF6HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> How will you know what updates the desktop needs, Al?

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

Guest Big Al
Posted

Re: Windows updates download to one computer to install on another

 

Thanks for the break down. That helps a lot.

......Al

 

"Shenan Stanley" <newshelper@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:O5NiaHR6HHA.3900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| Big Al wrote:

| > A LOT of information there. Thanks, but I think most of it doesn't

| > help me on how to solve my problem in simple steps.

| > I'm sort of a newbie here & I don't understand a lot of it. I'll

| > keep reading some of it & see if will help. Thanks again.

| > ......Al

|

| Not much there at all... Not if you take a minute to break it down into

| parts...

|


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