Guest PATRICK Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Ok, im not completly stupid with computers. Let me start with the problem. I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able to use programs. I recently reformatted. and added some drivers. (still am missing 3 base system drivers). but read that wrong drivers could slow it down. I have used bootvis, and msconfig to not start certain programs i dont need at start up. What else can i do to fix this? Please help! Patrick
Guest astyles Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon On Aug 28, 1:14 pm, PATRICK <PATR...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > Ok, im not completly stupid with computers. Let me start with the problem. > > I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get to the > logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i logon it takes > about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able to use programs. I > recently reformatted. and added some drivers. (still am missing 3 base > system drivers). > but read that wrong drivers could slow it down. > > I have used bootvis, and msconfig to not start certain programs i dont need > at start up. What else can i do to fix this? > Please help! > Patrick Uncheck everything at startup and then enable one at a time. If all are disabled and you still have problems then try creating a new user profile in users and computers of control panel and loggin in with that user. If that is faster then use that profile. Make sure and copy your documents, favorites and history over if you decide to use another profile. A
Guest PATRICK Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Uncheck all services or startup? "astyles" wrote: > On Aug 28, 1:14 pm, PATRICK <PATR...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > Ok, im not completly stupid with computers. Let me start with the problem. > > > > I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get to the > > logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i logon it takes > > about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able to use programs. I > > recently reformatted. and added some drivers. (still am missing 3 base > > system drivers). > > but read that wrong drivers could slow it down. > > > > I have used bootvis, and msconfig to not start certain programs i dont need > > at start up. What else can i do to fix this? > > Please help! > > Patrick > > Uncheck everything at startup and then enable one at a time. If all > are disabled and you still have problems then try creating a new user > profile in users and computers of control panel and loggin in with > that user. If that is faster then use that profile. Make sure and copy > your documents, favorites and history over if you decide to use > another profile. > > A > >
Guest PATRICK Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Well i tried both of those with no luck. Any other ideas? "PATRICK" wrote: > Uncheck all services or startup? > > "astyles" wrote: > > > On Aug 28, 1:14 pm, PATRICK <PATR...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > Ok, im not completly stupid with computers. Let me start with the problem. > > > > > > I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get to the > > > logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i logon it takes > > > about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able to use programs. I > > > recently reformatted. and added some drivers. (still am missing 3 base > > > system drivers). > > > but read that wrong drivers could slow it down. > > > > > > I have used bootvis, and msconfig to not start certain programs i dont need > > > at start up. What else can i do to fix this? > > > Please help! > > > Patrick > > > > Uncheck everything at startup and then enable one at a time. If all > > are disabled and you still have problems then try creating a new user > > profile in users and computers of control panel and loggin in with > > that user. If that is faster then use that profile. Make sure and copy > > your documents, favorites and history over if you decide to use > > another profile. > > > > A > > > >
Guest Daave Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon PATRICK wrote: > I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get to > the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > to use programs. After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on your hard drive.
Guest PATRICK Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load "Daave" wrote: > PATRICK wrote: > > > I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get to > > the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > > logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > > to use programs. > > After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, it > sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on your > hard drive. > > >
Guest Daave Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon PATRICK wrote: > Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > > "Daave" wrote: > >> PATRICK wrote: >> >>> I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get >>> to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i >>> logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able >>> to use programs. >> >> After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, >> it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on >> your >> hard drive. Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an acceptable speed in four minutes.
Guest PATRICK Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process explorer and see. "Daave" wrote: > PATRICK wrote: > > Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > > because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > > msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > > > > "Daave" wrote: > > > >> PATRICK wrote: > >> > >>> I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > >>> to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > >>> logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > >>> to use programs. > >> > >> After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > >> it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > >> your > >> hard drive. > > Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > > Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > > Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > acceptable speed in four minutes. > > >
Guest PATRICK Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss on why it is doing this. "PATRICK" wrote: > If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to > get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without > havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process > explorer and see. > > "Daave" wrote: > > > PATRICK wrote: > > > Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > > > because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > > > msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > > > > > > "Daave" wrote: > > > > > >> PATRICK wrote: > > >> > > >>> I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > > >>> to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > > >>> logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > > >>> to use programs. > > >> > > >> After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > > >> it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > > >> your > > >> hard drive. > > > > Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > > > > Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > > > > Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > > acceptable speed in four minutes. > > > > > >
Guest Daave Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon When you run msconfig, what is listed in the Startup tab? Which antivirus app do you run? "PATRICK" <PATRICK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:611EF021-2173-41A1-9D74-FDABE3896294@microsoft.com... >I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a >loss > on why it is doing this. > > "PATRICK" wrote: > >> If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like >> it to >> get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school >> without >> havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this >> process >> explorer and see. >> >> "Daave" wrote: >> >> > PATRICK wrote: >> > > Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats >> > > it, >> > > because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through >> > > msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load >> > > >> > > "Daave" wrote: >> > > >> > >> PATRICK wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i >> > >>> get >> > >>> to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However >> > >>> after i >> > >>> logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be >> > >>> able >> > >>> to use programs. >> > >> >> > >> After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If >> > >> so, >> > >> it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files >> > >> on >> > >> your >> > >> hard drive. >> > >> > Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) >> > >> > Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things >> > down: >> > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx >> > >> > Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an >> > acceptable speed in four minutes. >> > >> > >> >
Guest John John Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what the machine is doing when it is logging on: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO then you can enable User Environment logging: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 John PATRICK wrote: > I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss > on why it is doing this. > > "PATRICK" wrote: > > >>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to >>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without >>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process >>explorer and see. >> >>"Daave" wrote: >> >> >>>PATRICK wrote: >>> >>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, >>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through >>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load >>>> >>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get >>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i >>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able >>>>>>to use programs. >>>>> >>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, >>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on >>>>>your >>>>>hard drive. >>> >>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) >>> >>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: >>> >>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx >>> >>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an >>>acceptable speed in four minutes. >>> >>> >>>
Guest PATRICK Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Nvcpl - rundll32.exe synTPEnh - for mouse pad Stsystra "nwiz "rundll32 zcfgsvc - wireless ifrmewrk -wireless quickset - batter management/mousepad settings avgcc - AVG ANTIVIRUS jusched -java zlive- zonealarms firewall Msnmsgr ctfmon "Daave" wrote: > When you run msconfig, what is listed in the Startup tab? > > Which antivirus app do you run? > > > "PATRICK" <PATRICK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:611EF021-2173-41A1-9D74-FDABE3896294@microsoft.com... > >I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a > >loss > > on why it is doing this. > > > > "PATRICK" wrote: > > > >> If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like > >> it to > >> get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school > >> without > >> havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this > >> process > >> explorer and see. > >> > >> "Daave" wrote: > >> > >> > PATRICK wrote: > >> > > Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats > >> > > it, > >> > > because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > >> > > msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > >> > > > >> > > "Daave" wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> PATRICK wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i > >> > >>> get > >> > >>> to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However > >> > >>> after i > >> > >>> logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be > >> > >>> able > >> > >>> to use programs. > >> > >> > >> > >> After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If > >> > >> so, > >> > >> it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files > >> > >> on > >> > >> your > >> > >> hard drive. > >> > > >> > Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > >> > > >> > Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things > >> > down: > >> > > >> > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > >> > > >> > Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > >> > acceptable speed in four minutes. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >
Guest Daave Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon I thought you said you had disabled AVG. I suppose you re-enabled it. Is it the barebones antivirus or the deluxe suite, including the firewall? If the latter, it's conflicting with Zone Alarm. Also, have you disabled the Windows firewall? Unless you have malware disguised as a legit process, you seem clean. Search Google for details, but you'll see a number of these are not essential. Do you overclock? If not, the first one can be disabled. One trick is to disable half of these startup items and see if the slow startup is fixed. Then narrow it down further. Do you have AVG set up to automatically scan your hard drive? If so, when is it scheduled to do so? PATRICK wrote: > Nvcpl - rundll32.exe > synTPEnh - for mouse pad > Stsystra > "nwiz > "rundll32 > zcfgsvc - wireless > ifrmewrk -wireless > quickset - batter management/mousepad settings > avgcc - AVG ANTIVIRUS > jusched -java > zlive- zonealarms firewall > Msnmsgr > ctfmon > > > "Daave" wrote: > >> When you run msconfig, what is listed in the Startup tab? >> >> Which antivirus app do you run? >> >> >> "PATRICK" <PATRICK@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:611EF021-2173-41A1-9D74-FDABE3896294@microsoft.com... >>> I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm >>> at a >>> loss >>> on why it is doing this. >>> >>> "PATRICK" wrote: >>> >>>> If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would >>>> like >>>> it to >>>> get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school >>>> without >>>> havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this >>>> process >>>> explorer and see. >>>> >>>> "Daave" wrote: >>>> >>>>> PATRICK wrote: >>>>>> Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats >>>>>> it, >>>>>> because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through >>>>>> msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load >>>>>> >>>>>> "Daave" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i >>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>> to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However >>>>>>>> after i >>>>>>>> logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be >>>>>>>> able >>>>>>>> to use programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If >>>>>>> so, >>>>>>> it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> hard drive. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things >>>>> down: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx >>>>> >>>>> Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an >>>>> acceptable speed in four minutes.
Guest PATRICK Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon What do you mean a domain? "John John" wrote: > Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a > domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what > the machine is doing when it is logging on: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ > > If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO > then you can enable User Environment logging: > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 > > John > > PATRICK wrote: > > I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss > > on why it is doing this. > > > > "PATRICK" wrote: > > > > > >>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to > >>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without > >>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process > >>explorer and see. > >> > >>"Daave" wrote: > >> > >> > >>>PATRICK wrote: > >>> > >>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > >>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > >>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > >>>> > >>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > >>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > >>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > >>>>>>to use programs. > >>>>> > >>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > >>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > >>>>>your > >>>>>hard drive. > >>> > >>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > >>> > >>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > >>> > >>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > >>> > >>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > >>>acceptable speed in four minutes. > >>> > >>> > >>> >
Guest John John Posted August 30, 2007 Posted August 30, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going on when you logon to the machine. John PATRICK wrote: > What do you mean a domain? > > "John John" wrote: > > >>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a >>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what >>the machine is doing when it is logging on: >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ >> >>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO >>then you can enable User Environment logging: >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 >> >>John >> >>PATRICK wrote: >> >>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss >>>on why it is doing this. >>> >>>"PATRICK" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to >>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without >>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process >>>>explorer and see. >>>> >>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, >>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through >>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load >>>>>> >>>>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get >>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i >>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able >>>>>>>>to use programs. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, >>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on >>>>>>>your >>>>>>>hard drive. >>>>> >>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: >>>>> >>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx >>>>> >>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an >>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>
Guest PATRICK Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon I do use wireless internet, connect with a router with 3 other wired computers. I have dissabled all startup items, and rebooted with no change. The AVG is just the antivirus, but the zone alarm has firewall, spyware and antivirus. but i would imagine if they were conflicting when i dissabled all startup processes that would have solved the problem. And windows firewall is dissabled further reducing conflicts. "John John" wrote: > Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group > of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice > regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still > having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going > on when you logon to the machine. > > John > > PATRICK wrote: > > > What do you mean a domain? > > > > "John John" wrote: > > > > > >>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a > >>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what > >>the machine is doing when it is logging on: > >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ > >> > >>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO > >>then you can enable User Environment logging: > >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 > >> > >>John > >> > >>PATRICK wrote: > >> > >>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss > >>>on why it is doing this. > >>> > >>>"PATRICK" wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to > >>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without > >>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process > >>>>explorer and see. > >>>> > >>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > >>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > >>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > >>>>>> > >>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > >>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > >>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > >>>>>>>>to use programs. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > >>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > >>>>>>>your > >>>>>>>hard drive. > >>>>> > >>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > >>>>> > >>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > >>>>> > >>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > >>>>> > >>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > >>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >> >
Guest John John Posted August 31, 2007 Posted August 31, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon What are those other wired computers? I take it they are just part of a workgroup? At school when you logon you are not connected to any other computers, you always have and just logon to the laptop, as a stand alone machine? As Daave mentioned, if your AV software is scanning at boot time it may cause a delay at logon. If that isn't the problem then the laptop may be looking for non existent network connections or it may be fiddling about trying to apply Group Policies, you would see that if you do what I told you earlier. John PATRICK wrote: > I do use wireless internet, connect with a router with 3 other wired > computers. I have dissabled all startup items, and rebooted with no change. > The AVG is just the antivirus, but the zone alarm has firewall, spyware and > antivirus. but i would imagine if they were conflicting when i dissabled all > startup processes that would have solved the problem. And windows firewall > is dissabled further reducing conflicts. > > "John John" wrote: > > >>Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group >>of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice >>regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still >>having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going >>on when you logon to the machine. >> >>John >> >>PATRICK wrote: >> >> >>>What do you mean a domain? >>> >>>"John John" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a >>>>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what >>>>the machine is doing when it is logging on: >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ >>>> >>>>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO >>>>then you can enable User Environment logging: >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 >>>> >>>>John >>>> >>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss >>>>>on why it is doing this. >>>>> >>>>>"PATRICK" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to >>>>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without >>>>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process >>>>>>explorer and see. >>>>>> >>>>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, >>>>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through >>>>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get >>>>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i >>>>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able >>>>>>>>>>to use programs. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, >>>>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on >>>>>>>>>your >>>>>>>>>hard drive. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an >>>>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>
Guest PATRICK Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Well if it was AVG it would have been fixed when i dissabled it at start up... the other computers are just my house computers. I havent connected to school yet. "John John" wrote: > What are those other wired computers? I take it they are just part of a > workgroup? At school when you logon you are not connected to any other > computers, you always have and just logon to the laptop, as a stand > alone machine? > > As Daave mentioned, if your AV software is scanning at boot time it may > cause a delay at logon. If that isn't the problem then the laptop may > be looking for non existent network connections or it may be fiddling > about trying to apply Group Policies, you would see that if you do what > I told you earlier. > > John > > PATRICK wrote: > > I do use wireless internet, connect with a router with 3 other wired > > computers. I have dissabled all startup items, and rebooted with no change. > > The AVG is just the antivirus, but the zone alarm has firewall, spyware and > > antivirus. but i would imagine if they were conflicting when i dissabled all > > startup processes that would have solved the problem. And windows firewall > > is dissabled further reducing conflicts. > > > > "John John" wrote: > > > > > >>Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group > >>of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice > >>regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still > >>having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going > >>on when you logon to the machine. > >> > >>John > >> > >>PATRICK wrote: > >> > >> > >>>What do you mean a domain? > >>> > >>>"John John" wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a > >>>>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what > >>>>the machine is doing when it is logging on: > >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ > >>>> > >>>>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO > >>>>then you can enable User Environment logging: > >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 > >>>> > >>>>John > >>>> > >>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss > >>>>>on why it is doing this. > >>>>> > >>>>>"PATRICK" wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to > >>>>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without > >>>>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process > >>>>>>explorer and see. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > >>>>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > >>>>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > >>>>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > >>>>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > >>>>>>>>>>to use programs. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > >>>>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > >>>>>>>>>your > >>>>>>>>>hard drive. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > >>>>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > >
Guest PATRICK Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Guess ya'll just givin up? "PATRICK" wrote: > Well if it was AVG it would have been fixed when i dissabled it at start > up... the other computers are just my house computers. I havent connected to > school yet. > > "John John" wrote: > > > What are those other wired computers? I take it they are just part of a > > workgroup? At school when you logon you are not connected to any other > > computers, you always have and just logon to the laptop, as a stand > > alone machine? > > > > As Daave mentioned, if your AV software is scanning at boot time it may > > cause a delay at logon. If that isn't the problem then the laptop may > > be looking for non existent network connections or it may be fiddling > > about trying to apply Group Policies, you would see that if you do what > > I told you earlier. > > > > John > > > > PATRICK wrote: > > > I do use wireless internet, connect with a router with 3 other wired > > > computers. I have dissabled all startup items, and rebooted with no change. > > > The AVG is just the antivirus, but the zone alarm has firewall, spyware and > > > antivirus. but i would imagine if they were conflicting when i dissabled all > > > startup processes that would have solved the problem. And windows firewall > > > is dissabled further reducing conflicts. > > > > > > "John John" wrote: > > > > > > > > >>Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group > > >>of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice > > >>regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still > > >>having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going > > >>on when you logon to the machine. > > >> > > >>John > > >> > > >>PATRICK wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >>>What do you mean a domain? > > >>> > > >>>"John John" wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a > > >>>>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what > > >>>>the machine is doing when it is logging on: > > >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ > > >>>> > > >>>>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO > > >>>>then you can enable User Environment logging: > > >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 > > >>>> > > >>>>John > > >>>> > > >>>>PATRICK wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss > > >>>>>on why it is doing this. > > >>>>> > > >>>>>"PATRICK" wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to > > >>>>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without > > >>>>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process > > >>>>>>explorer and see. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > > >>>>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > > >>>>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > > >>>>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > > >>>>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > > >>>>>>>>>>to use programs. > > >>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > > >>>>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > > >>>>>>>>>your > > >>>>>>>>>hard drive. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > > >>>>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>> > > > >
Guest John John Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon You didn't answer Daave's last post (re: AVG) so we don't know where you are at with your troubleshooting efforts. Did you enable verbose loging? John PATRICK wrote: > Guess ya'll just givin up? > > "PATRICK" wrote: > > >>Well if it was AVG it would have been fixed when i dissabled it at start >>up... the other computers are just my house computers. I havent connected to >>school yet. >> >>"John John" wrote: >> >> >>>What are those other wired computers? I take it they are just part of a >>>workgroup? At school when you logon you are not connected to any other >>>computers, you always have and just logon to the laptop, as a stand >>>alone machine? >>> >>>As Daave mentioned, if your AV software is scanning at boot time it may >>>cause a delay at logon. If that isn't the problem then the laptop may >>>be looking for non existent network connections or it may be fiddling >>>about trying to apply Group Policies, you would see that if you do what >>>I told you earlier. >>> >>>John >>> >>>PATRICK wrote: >>> >>>>I do use wireless internet, connect with a router with 3 other wired >>>>computers. I have dissabled all startup items, and rebooted with no change. >>>> The AVG is just the antivirus, but the zone alarm has firewall, spyware and >>>>antivirus. but i would imagine if they were conflicting when i dissabled all >>>>startup processes that would have solved the problem. And windows firewall >>>>is dissabled further reducing conflicts. >>>> >>>>"John John" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group >>>>>of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice >>>>>regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still >>>>>having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going >>>>>on when you logon to the machine. >>>>> >>>>>John >>>>> >>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>What do you mean a domain? >>>>>> >>>>>>"John John" wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a >>>>>>>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what >>>>>>>the machine is doing when it is logging on: >>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO >>>>>>>then you can enable User Environment logging: >>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>John >>>>>>> >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss >>>>>>>>on why it is doing this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>"PATRICK" wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to >>>>>>>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without >>>>>>>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process >>>>>>>>>explorer and see. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, >>>>>>>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through >>>>>>>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get >>>>>>>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i >>>>>>>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able >>>>>>>>>>>>>to use programs. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, >>>>>>>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on >>>>>>>>>>>>your >>>>>>>>>>>>hard drive. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an >>>>>>>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>
Guest PATRICK Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Daave's Question --------------------- I thought you said you had disabled AVG. I suppose you re-enabled it. Is it the barebones antivirus or the deluxe suite, including the firewall? If the latter, it's conflicting with Zone Alarm. Also, have you disabled the Windows firewall? Unless you have malware disguised as a legit process, you seem clean. Search Google for details, but you'll see a number of these are not essential. Do you overclock? If not, the first one can be disabled. One trick is to disable half of these startup items and see if the slow startup is fixed. Then narrow it down further. Do you have AVG set up to automatically scan your hard drive? If so, when is it scheduled to do so? --------------------------------------------------------- My Response I did disable all items on startup, and started the computer with no difference, so re-enabled all the stuff that i disabled, because it made no difference. There should be no conflicts because i dissabled ALL programs. The windows firewall is dissabled. I do not overclock. I also turned off auto scan with avg. I'm just baffled on what could be causing this. When i did search for this issue, which there is many answers to slow startup, the only one that really discribed my problem was an issue described by windows, and said that if too many/incorrect drivers were installed it could slow startup, but i really dont want to go in and tamper with my drivers, because im unsure of which are which. "John John" wrote: > You didn't answer Daave's last post (re: AVG) so we don't know where you > are at with your troubleshooting efforts. Did you enable verbose loging? > > John > > PATRICK wrote: > > Guess ya'll just givin up? > > > > "PATRICK" wrote: > > > > > >>Well if it was AVG it would have been fixed when i dissabled it at start > >>up... the other computers are just my house computers. I havent connected to > >>school yet. > >> > >>"John John" wrote: > >> > >> > >>>What are those other wired computers? I take it they are just part of a > >>>workgroup? At school when you logon you are not connected to any other > >>>computers, you always have and just logon to the laptop, as a stand > >>>alone machine? > >>> > >>>As Daave mentioned, if your AV software is scanning at boot time it may > >>>cause a delay at logon. If that isn't the problem then the laptop may > >>>be looking for non existent network connections or it may be fiddling > >>>about trying to apply Group Policies, you would see that if you do what > >>>I told you earlier. > >>> > >>>John > >>> > >>>PATRICK wrote: > >>> > >>>>I do use wireless internet, connect with a router with 3 other wired > >>>>computers. I have dissabled all startup items, and rebooted with no change. > >>>> The AVG is just the antivirus, but the zone alarm has firewall, spyware and > >>>>antivirus. but i would imagine if they were conflicting when i dissabled all > >>>>startup processes that would have solved the problem. And windows firewall > >>>>is dissabled further reducing conflicts. > >>>> > >>>>"John John" wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Do you log on to a server, like the school server? A domain is a group > >>>>>of computers that are centrally managed. Follow Daave's advice > >>>>>regarding AV software. If after doing what Daave suggests you are still > >>>>>having logon delays you can enable verbose logging and see what is going > >>>>>on when you logon to the machine. > >>>>> > >>>>>John > >>>>> > >>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>What do you mean a domain? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>"John John" wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Are you logging to a domain? Is or was the laptop ever joined to a > >>>>>>>domain? You can enable "verbose logging" and you might find out what > >>>>>>>the machine is doing when it is logging on: > >>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/325376/ > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>If you think that the problem is related to the User Environment or GPO > >>>>>>>then you can enable User Environment logging: > >>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/221833 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>John > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>I got it, but i dont see any programs that would be doin it. I'm at a loss > >>>>>>>>on why it is doing this. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>"PATRICK" wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>If it was my desktop i wouldn't mind, but for my laptop i would like it to > >>>>>>>>>get up and go, so i can open it, turn it on and use it for school without > >>>>>>>>>havin to wait half the class time for me to use it. Ill try this process > >>>>>>>>>explorer and see. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>Yea, it runs perfect after that period, but i dont think thats it, > >>>>>>>>>>>because i disabled my antivirus in the previous post, through > >>>>>>>>>>>msconfig, and it still took a very long time to load > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>"Daave" wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>PATRICK wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>I have a dell vostro laptop, and when i hit the power button i get > >>>>>>>>>>>>>to the logon window with no problem, fast and all. However after i > >>>>>>>>>>>>>logon it takes about 4 minutes for icons to show up, and to be able > >>>>>>>>>>>>>to use programs. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>After the four-minute process is over, does your PC run fine? If so, > >>>>>>>>>>>>it sounds like your antivirus program is scanning all the files on > >>>>>>>>>>>>your > >>>>>>>>>>>>hard drive. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Maybe you only *think* you disabled it. :-) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Anyway, Process Explorer should tell you what's slowing things down: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.mspx > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>Personally, I wouldn't be that concerned if your PC achieves an > >>>>>>>>>>acceptable speed in four minutes. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>> >
Guest Daave Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Patrick, The reason I had asked about overclocking is that one of your startup processes (Nvcpl - rundll32.exe) can safely be permanently disabled. It's only useful for overclockers. And as I mentioned before, a number of your other processes can be safely permanently disabled as well. Use Google. Also see: Startup Programs Database http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/ TASK LIST PROGRAMS http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm I still think you need to rule out startup issues with a more diligent approach. Try clean boot troubleshooting: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434 And I don't believe you answered John John's verbose logging question. For more info: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906485 PATRICK wrote: > Daave's Question > --------------------- > I thought you said you had disabled AVG. I suppose you re-enabled it. > Is > it the barebones antivirus or the deluxe suite, including the > firewall? > If the latter, it's conflicting with Zone Alarm. Also, have you > disabled > the Windows firewall? > > Unless you have malware disguised as a legit process, you seem clean. > Search Google for details, but you'll see a number of these are not > essential. Do you overclock? If not, the first one can be disabled. > > One trick is to disable half of these startup items and see if the > slow > startup is fixed. Then narrow it down further. > > Do you have AVG set up to automatically scan your hard drive? If so, > when is it scheduled to do so? > --------------------------------------------------------- > > My Response > I did disable all items on startup, and started the computer with no > difference, so re-enabled all the stuff that i disabled, because it > made no > difference. > There should be no conflicts because i dissabled ALL programs. The > windows > firewall is dissabled. > I do not overclock. > I also turned off auto scan with avg. > > I'm just baffled on what could be causing this. > When i did search for this issue, which there is many answers to slow > startup, the only one that really discribed my problem was an issue > described > by windows, and said that if too many/incorrect drivers were > installed it > could slow startup, but i really dont want to go in and tamper with my > drivers, because im unsure of which are which. > "John John" wrote: > >> You didn't answer Daave's last post (re: AVG) so we don't know >> where you are at with your troubleshooting efforts. Did you enable >> verbose loging?
Guest PATRICK Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Ok, i went into the regedit and setup the verbose logging. As far as the links you sent, i didnt quite understand what you were wantin me to do. Where can i view this verbose log file/post it here? thank you, patrick "Daave" wrote: > Patrick, > > The reason I had asked about overclocking is that one of your startup > processes (Nvcpl - rundll32.exe) can safely be permanently disabled. > It's only useful for overclockers. And as I mentioned before, a number > of your other processes can be safely permanently disabled as well. Use > Google. Also see: > > Startup Programs Database > http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/ > > TASK LIST PROGRAMS > http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm > > I still think you need to rule out startup issues with a more diligent > approach. Try clean boot troubleshooting: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434 > > And I don't believe you answered John John's verbose logging question. > For more info: > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906485 > > > > PATRICK wrote: > > Daave's Question > > --------------------- > > I thought you said you had disabled AVG. I suppose you re-enabled it. > > Is > > it the barebones antivirus or the deluxe suite, including the > > firewall? > > If the latter, it's conflicting with Zone Alarm. Also, have you > > disabled > > the Windows firewall? > > > > Unless you have malware disguised as a legit process, you seem clean. > > Search Google for details, but you'll see a number of these are not > > essential. Do you overclock? If not, the first one can be disabled. > > > > One trick is to disable half of these startup items and see if the > > slow > > startup is fixed. Then narrow it down further. > > > > Do you have AVG set up to automatically scan your hard drive? If so, > > when is it scheduled to do so? > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > My Response > > I did disable all items on startup, and started the computer with no > > difference, so re-enabled all the stuff that i disabled, because it > > made no > > difference. > > There should be no conflicts because i dissabled ALL programs. The > > windows > > firewall is dissabled. > > I do not overclock. > > I also turned off auto scan with avg. > > > > I'm just baffled on what could be causing this. > > When i did search for this issue, which there is many answers to slow > > startup, the only one that really discribed my problem was an issue > > described > > by windows, and said that if too many/incorrect drivers were > > installed it > > could slow startup, but i really dont want to go in and tamper with my > > drivers, because im unsure of which are which. > > > > "John John" wrote: > > > >> You didn't answer Daave's last post (re: AVG) so we don't know > >> where you are at with your troubleshooting efforts. Did you enable > >> verbose loging? > > >
Guest Daave Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Since I know little about verbose logging and since John John is the one who suggested it, I'd wait for his reply on how to proceed with that. The first two links I sent you are for when you may want to trim the fat from your startup (should you ever wish to do so). It's more for reference since you stated that you still had a long wait even with *all* of your startup processes disabled. You may wish to permanently disable unneeded startup processes once you resolve this particular issue. The third link I sent you was for a useful diagnostic procedure called clean boot troubleshooting. One final thought. I didn't catch it before, but do you experience the same problem in Safe Mode? PATRICK wrote: > Ok, i went into the regedit and setup the verbose logging. As far > as the links you sent, i didnt quite understand what you were wantin > me to do. Where can i view this verbose log file/post it here? > > thank you, > patrick > > "Daave" wrote: > >> Patrick, >> >> The reason I had asked about overclocking is that one of your startup >> processes (Nvcpl - rundll32.exe) can safely be permanently disabled. >> It's only useful for overclockers. And as I mentioned before, a >> number of your other processes can be safely permanently disabled as >> well. Use Google. Also see: >> >> Startup Programs Database >> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/ >> >> TASK LIST PROGRAMS >> http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm >> >> I still think you need to rule out startup issues with a more >> diligent approach. Try clean boot troubleshooting: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434 >> >> And I don't believe you answered John John's verbose logging >> question. For more info: >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906485 >> >> >> >> PATRICK wrote: >>> Daave's Question >>> --------------------- >>> I thought you said you had disabled AVG. I suppose you re-enabled >>> it. Is >>> it the barebones antivirus or the deluxe suite, including the >>> firewall? >>> If the latter, it's conflicting with Zone Alarm. Also, have you >>> disabled >>> the Windows firewall? >>> >>> Unless you have malware disguised as a legit process, you seem >>> clean. Search Google for details, but you'll see a number of these >>> are not essential. Do you overclock? If not, the first one can be >>> disabled. >>> >>> One trick is to disable half of these startup items and see if the >>> slow >>> startup is fixed. Then narrow it down further. >>> >>> Do you have AVG set up to automatically scan your hard drive? If so, >>> when is it scheduled to do so? >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> My Response >>> I did disable all items on startup, and started the computer with no >>> difference, so re-enabled all the stuff that i disabled, because it >>> made no >>> difference. >>> There should be no conflicts because i dissabled ALL programs. The >>> windows >>> firewall is dissabled. >>> I do not overclock. >>> I also turned off auto scan with avg. >>> >>> I'm just baffled on what could be causing this. >>> When i did search for this issue, which there is many answers to >>> slow startup, the only one that really discribed my problem was an >>> issue described >>> by windows, and said that if too many/incorrect drivers were >>> installed it >>> could slow startup, but i really dont want to go in and tamper with >>> my drivers, because im unsure of which are which. >> >> >>> "John John" wrote: >>> >>>> You didn't answer Daave's last post (re: AVG) so we don't know >>>> where you are at with your troubleshooting efforts. Did you enable >>>> verbose loging?
Guest PATRICK Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: Slow startup after logon Yes, even in safe mode it experiances the same length as normal startup. This thing just baffles me. I did notice when i did unsigned drivers i had a lot of avg files in my drivers file, i dont know if that has anything to do with it, but since my desktop has avg and it doesn't have the same problem. Which also leads me to believe it has something to do with the drivers i have, since those all boot up even in safe mode. "Daave" wrote: > Since I know little about verbose logging and since John John is the one > who suggested it, I'd wait for his reply on how to proceed with that. > > The first two links I sent you are for when you may want to trim the fat > from your startup (should you ever wish to do so). It's more for > reference since you stated that you still had a long wait even with > *all* of your startup processes disabled. You may wish to permanently > disable unneeded startup processes once you resolve this particular > issue. The third link I sent you was for a useful diagnostic procedure > called clean boot troubleshooting. > > One final thought. I didn't catch it before, but do you experience the > same problem in Safe Mode? > > > PATRICK wrote: > > Ok, i went into the regedit and setup the verbose logging. As far > > as the links you sent, i didnt quite understand what you were wantin > > me to do. Where can i view this verbose log file/post it here? > > > > thank you, > > patrick > > > > "Daave" wrote: > > > >> Patrick, > >> > >> The reason I had asked about overclocking is that one of your startup > >> processes (Nvcpl - rundll32.exe) can safely be permanently disabled. > >> It's only useful for overclockers. And as I mentioned before, a > >> number of your other processes can be safely permanently disabled as > >> well. Use Google. Also see: > >> > >> Startup Programs Database > >> http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/ > >> > >> TASK LIST PROGRAMS > >> http://www.answersthatwork.com/Tasklist_pages/tasklist.htm > >> > >> I still think you need to rule out startup issues with a more > >> diligent approach. Try clean boot troubleshooting: > >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316434 > >> > >> And I don't believe you answered John John's verbose logging > >> question. For more info: > >> > >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/906485 > >> > >> > >> > >> PATRICK wrote: > >>> Daave's Question > >>> --------------------- > >>> I thought you said you had disabled AVG. I suppose you re-enabled > >>> it. Is > >>> it the barebones antivirus or the deluxe suite, including the > >>> firewall? > >>> If the latter, it's conflicting with Zone Alarm. Also, have you > >>> disabled > >>> the Windows firewall? > >>> > >>> Unless you have malware disguised as a legit process, you seem > >>> clean. Search Google for details, but you'll see a number of these > >>> are not essential. Do you overclock? If not, the first one can be > >>> disabled. > >>> > >>> One trick is to disable half of these startup items and see if the > >>> slow > >>> startup is fixed. Then narrow it down further. > >>> > >>> Do you have AVG set up to automatically scan your hard drive? If so, > >>> when is it scheduled to do so? > >>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >>> My Response > >>> I did disable all items on startup, and started the computer with no > >>> difference, so re-enabled all the stuff that i disabled, because it > >>> made no > >>> difference. > >>> There should be no conflicts because i dissabled ALL programs. The > >>> windows > >>> firewall is dissabled. > >>> I do not overclock. > >>> I also turned off auto scan with avg. > >>> > >>> I'm just baffled on what could be causing this. > >>> When i did search for this issue, which there is many answers to > >>> slow startup, the only one that really discribed my problem was an > >>> issue described > >>> by windows, and said that if too many/incorrect drivers were > >>> installed it > >>> could slow startup, but i really dont want to go in and tamper with > >>> my drivers, because im unsure of which are which. > >> > >> > >>> "John John" wrote: > >>> > >>>> You didn't answer Daave's last post (re: AVG) so we don't know > >>>> where you are at with your troubleshooting efforts. Did you enable > >>>> verbose loging? > > > >
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