Guest dangerwillrobinson Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s again? the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. any ideas would be very appreciated. the old guy
Guest P. Di Stolfo Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess Hello, if you don't want Vista, format the hard drive and install XP. It's just as simple as that. Greetings, P. Di Stolfo -- //----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language //----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "dangerwillrobinson" <dangerwillrobinson@discussions.microsoft.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:6B67DE13-58E2-4B8D-87F9-133A5B74192A@microsoft.com... > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > > how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against > m/s > again? > > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time > when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. > > i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to > write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? > > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. > > any ideas would be very appreciated. > > the old guy
Guest astyles Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess On Aug 28, 3:04 pm, dangerwillrobinson <dangerwillrobin...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > > how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s > again? > > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time > when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. > > i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to > write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? > > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. > > any ideas would be very appreciated. > > the old guy If the user has his old machine then you can use "magic jelly bean" to get his old CD key and re-activate his legit XP version on his new machine. Ghost the Vista machine off somewhere before you begin in case you run into any problems.
Guest Ron Badour Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess See if XP drivers exist for the hardware on the new PC and if there are drivers, buy a copy of XP on EBay or check Pricewatch.com. -- Regards Ron Badour MS MVP 1997 - 2007 "dangerwillrobinson" <dangerwillrobinson@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6B67DE13-58E2-4B8D-87F9-133A5B74192A@microsoft.com... > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > > how do i get xp on it and dump vista? >
Guest Terry R. Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess On 8/28/2007 1:04 PM On a whim, dangerwillrobinson pounded out on the keyboard > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > > how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s > again? > > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time > when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. > > i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to > write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? > > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. > > any ideas would be very appreciated. > > the old guy Hey old guy, Two ways you can do it. Buy a copy of XP and reformat the drive, which will in most cases void the warranty. Or you can purchase another hard drive, remove the existing one with Vista, install the new one and put XP on it. Then if anything goes wrong with the computer, you can remove the XP hard drive and install the Vista hard drive to get warranty service. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess dangerwillrobinson wrote: > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. How were they forced? Forced by whom? I buy new computers just about every week and make suggestions to others - no one has been 'forced' to get a computer with Windows Vista on a computer. In fact - I usually (right now) spec them with Windows XP. I suppose - if you choose your vendor (computer manufacturer) unwisely - that you can make a choice to get Vista - if that is all that manufacturer sells - but that is no fault of Microsoft's - only of the manufacturer building/supporting said system and ultimately *yours* for making a choice that so limits you. > how do I get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action > against m/s again? For? See the above. You would have to choose to have Windows Vista or you would have to choose a vendor who chooses to only have Windows Vista on the machines they sell. You would be suing the vendor for not giving you a choice of OSes (they likely wouldn't install Ubuntu either) or yourself for making the a choice. Your choice to bring a 'class action' against anyone is just that - your choice. Go for it - but you should have an understanding of what you are bringing up and whom you are bringing it against beforehand - methinks. > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes > unbelievable time when you want to do a simple thing as remove a > program. Opinions. Not saying I disagree - but they are still opinions. > I sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english > tried to write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? Yes - "Bill" (assuming you mean Bill Gates... which would then have to lead to the inference you mean Microsoft as a whole - given Bill Gates does not run the day-to-day anymore - although that is not what you say) does hire Americans - although they are not the only people on the planet that speak English as a first language nor do all of them do it well. > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. You have provided any proof as to what 'dogpile' you refer to. Microsoft did not force you or your client to get Windows Vista. If you chose to get Windows Vista (did not ask the vendor for an option) or chose to get a computer from a vendor who could not supply you with the options you (or you client made these choices) desired - that is your bad choice. > any ideas would be very appreciated. See the inline comments. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess dangerwillrobinson wrote: <snip> > how do I get xp on it and dump vista? <snip> Apologies. I neglected to answer this in my initial response: First - make sure the manufacturer of each of the hardware components (motherboard chipset, video card, network card, sound card, etc...) has drivers available for Windows XP. It is plausible/possible that a given hardware vendor could create a new product and *not* provide drivers that function under a given OS. That is their choice - so you need to make sure all the hardware components in the given machine have drivers for the OS you plan on installing - in this case - Windows XP. Next - get a Windows XP License/CD of your choice (Home, Professional, Media Center Edition, etc.) and use the key that comes with that CD/license to install Windows XP and utilize the drivers you found previously for the hardware to get the system going. Then install any other software you want. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest baynole Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess On Aug 28, 4:31 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote: > dangerwillrobinson wrote: > > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > > How were they forced? > Forced by whom? > > I buy new computers just about every week and make suggestions to others - > no one has been 'forced' to get a computer with Windows Vista on a computer. > In fact - I usually (right now) spec them with Windows XP. > > I suppose - if you choose your vendor (computer manufacturer) unwisely - > that you can make a choice to get Vista - if that is all that manufacturer > sells - but that is no fault of Microsoft's - only of the manufacturer > building/supporting said system and ultimately *yours* for making a choice > that so limits you. > > > how do I get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action > > against m/s again? > > For? See the above. You would have to choose to have Windows Vista or you > would have to choose a vendor who chooses to only have Windows Vista on the > machines they sell. You would be suing the vendor for not giving you a > choice of OSes (they likely wouldn't install Ubuntu either) or yourself for > making the a choice. > > Your choice to bring a 'class action' against anyone is just that - your > choice. Go for it - but you should have an understanding of what you are > bringing up and whom you are bringing it against beforehand - methinks. > > > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes > > unbelievable time when you want to do a simple thing as remove a > > program. > > Opinions. Not saying I disagree - but they are still opinions. > > > I sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english > > tried to write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? > > Yes - "Bill" (assuming you mean Bill Gates... which would then have to lead > to the inference you mean Microsoft as a whole - given Bill Gates does not > run the day-to-day anymore - although that is not what you say) does hire > Americans - although they are not the only people on the planet that speak > English as a first language nor do all of them do it well. > > > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. > > You have provided any proof as to what 'dogpile' you refer to. Microsoft > did not force you or your client to get Windows Vista. If you chose to get > Windows Vista (did not ask the vendor for an option) or chose to get a > computer from a vendor who could not supply you with the options you (or you > client made these choices) desired - that is your bad choice. > > > any ideas would be very appreciated. > > See the inline comments. > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP to manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail. And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell??
Guest Malke Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess baynole wrote: > Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP to > manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail. > And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell?? > HP Business. Many smaller system builders. Falcon-Northwest. And others. Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers http://www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest ANONYMOUS Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess You will need to buy XP from the store and do a clean install of it on our new computer. This also means that anything on the HD will be wiped clean and you will lose it completely. KAPUT. Have you tried increasing the memory of your system to make vista work efficiently? I suggest get 2048 mb of memory because vista ultimate works fine on my new DELL system. I am NOT happy with Office 2007 though! Hope this helps. dangerwillrobinson wrote: > > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > > how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against m/s > again? > > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time > when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. > > i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to > write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? > > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. > > any ideas would be very appreciated. > > the old guy
Guest ANONYMOUS Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess and NOVATECH.CO.UK Malke wrote: > > baynole wrote: > > > Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP to > > manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail. > > And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell?? > > > > HP Business. Many smaller system builders. Falcon-Northwest. And others. > > Malke > -- > Elephant Boy Computers > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > "Don't Panic!" > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess baynole wrote: > Beginning the first of next year, Microsoft will no longer sell XP > to manufacturerers as OEM.Then your arguments will fail. > And who exactly supplies PCs w/ XP at the moment besides Dell?? What is your point? My *arguments will fail* sometime in the future. Very seldom does something dynamic (like an operating system) hold up to the scrutiny of time. My argument is valid *now*. I know that some divisions of many computer manufacturers (business divisions mostly - although some others) offer Windows XP as an option either directly *or* if the customer requests it. If the customer is wise enough to request what they want and cannot get it there - then I hope they are wise enough to move on to someplace where they can get it. In the future - when (like Windows 98SE, Windows 95, MS-DOS 6.2, older versions of the Macintosh OS, older versions of various *nix OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes available as a new product - yes - people will be less likely to be able to find it - and sooner or later - they won't find it at all except on eBay - if even there (given the prevalence of older OSes on eBay now - that will take SOME time.) This is not a revelation - but a fact. Any small mom/pop computer store (or any local computer store) could likely assembly you a computer with the OS of *your choice*. You could assemble a computer yourself online with the OS of *your choice*. I believe HP Business still sells with XP as an option. I am sure there are others - and I am sure there are some that don't 'advertise' it - but would do it if questions on it *before the sale took place*. Supply and demand has worked longer than I have been around - I expect it to continue doing its work long after I am gone. However - things can and do change - whether you desire them to or not in many cases. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted August 28, 2007 Posted August 28, 2007 Re: vista mess Shenan Stanley wrote: <snip> > In the future - when (like Windows 98SE, Windows 95, MS-DOS 6.2, > older versions of the Macintosh OS, older versions of various *nix > OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes available as a new product - yes - > people will be less likely to be able to find it - and sooner or > later - they won't find it at all except on eBay - if even there > (given the prevalence of older OSes on eBay now - that will take > SOME time.) This is not a revelation - but a fact. <snip> correction... "... OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes available as a new product - yes ..." should have been: "... OSes, etc) Windows XP becomes unavailable as a new product - yes ..." -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Re: vista mess dangerwillrobinson wrote: > client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. > "Forced?" Really? Someone held a gun to his head? Have you contacted local law enforcement agencies? > how do i get xp on it and dump vista? If you can't figure that out, you most certainly shouldn't have clients. > do we need a class action against m/s > again? > Nope. Just a client that knows how to shop. (And self-proclaimed techs that can actually spell "PC.") > the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time > when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. > Based on the content above, I'd have to conclude that this is more a measure of your utter lack of computer/technical knowledge and experience. > i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to > write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? > *What* issue? How do you expect anyone to help if you won't even bother to describe a problem? Perhaps you should try here: Psychic Friends Network (800) 592-7827 > really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. > Well, then, I suggest you start by looking in the extensive Help and Support area. It's on the Start Menu. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest M.I.5¾ Posted August 29, 2007 Posted August 29, 2007 Re: vista mess "P. Di Stolfo" <paolodistolfo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:841368C4-8B29-4525-951A-F8B8287A9F21@microsoft.com... > Hello, > > if you don't want Vista, format the hard drive and install XP. It's just > as simple as that. > It is only that simple provided that you have XP drivers for all the hardware (including the motherboard chipset drivers). If you don't prepare to be disappointed. > Greetings, > P. Di Stolfo > -- > //----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > // http://blog.lysorp.com - small Windows Blog in German language > //----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > "dangerwillrobinson" <dangerwillrobinson@discussions.microsoft.com> > schrieb im Newsbeitrag > news:6B67DE13-58E2-4B8D-87F9-133A5B74192A@microsoft.com... >> client decided to buy a new pc; forced to have a vista on it. >> >> how do i get xp on it and dump vista? do we need a class action against >> m/s >> again? >> >> the program is just poorly written, runs poorly, wastes unbelievable time >> when you want to do a simple thing as remove a program. >> >> i sent the issue to m/s and some fellow with VERY hard english tried to >> write me from india. does bill hire americans any more? >> >> really would like to know what is up with this vista dogpile. >> >> any ideas would be very appreciated. >> >> the old guy >
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