Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive

 

Lil' Dave wrote:

> Its my opinion.

 

And opinions can be debated, supported, examined, and deconstructed.

Especially on usenet.

> Unlike you, I have not jumped my bandwagon about your opinions.

 

Not sure I understand the phrase "jumped my bandwagon" and what it

means in the current context.

> Or your 98SE works on some specific hardware flagwaving.

 

That you claim the use of the IAA puts someone on some thin edge of

system stability or legitamacy takes you out of the realm of opinion

and into a statement of fact, and puts the onus on you to support such

a fact, lest your opinions be taken for garbage.

> Nor will I clip and snip your posts to take easy potshots.

 

Naturally. You're a top-poster. Top-posters are known for poor

usenet etiquette when it comes to editing and constructing their

responses. Adding comments in-line (as I am doing) is the proper and

original method for usenet posts. Most people that use Micro$oft

software (such as OE) to experience usenet are ignorant of this.

[Guest Franc Zabkar]

Re: Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive

 

On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:01:17 -0400, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> put finger to

keyboard and composed:

>Ok, so what do we do about the ESDI_506.PDR problem? Well,

>apparently, this situation was fixed back in 2002 courtesy of Intel

>and their IAA. Yes, if you have a motherboard with a certain

>hard-drive controller (see below), then the installation of the IAA

>will replace ESDI_506.PDR with INTELATA.MPD.

 

FWIW, I found these bits of info:

 

http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm

 

"Intel Application Accelerator (disk drivers) reporting version

2.2.0.2126 in "About" does not correctly support disks larger than 128

GB in Windows 98 SE. A version reporting 2.3.0.2160 seems to do. May

apply to other Windows versions too. With the earlier version the disk

size is reported correctly, but read above 128 GB fails."

 

http://www.partitionsupport.com/partitionnotes.htm

 

"Disks larger than 32 GB and 128 GB cannot be considered reliable in

Windows 95/98/ME, due to the Windows (or Windows disk driver) 32 GB

and 128 GB problems. The 32 GB problem can be reliable detected using

the GB32 program. The only situation I know of, where disks larger

than 128 GB should be in the system, is if the chipset is Intel, and a

recent version of Intel Application Accelerator is installed."

 

http://www.partitionsupport.com/gb32-14.zip

http://www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm

 

- Franc Zabkar

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Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

[Guest BeBopaLula]

Re: Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive

 

 

"Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> posted info in:

news:990id3d8bm2o71hhml3uitn7gu410s77uv@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 00:01:17 -0400, 98 Guy <98@Guy.com> put finger to

> keyboard and composed:

>

> >Ok, so what do we do about the ESDI_506.PDR problem? Well,

> >apparently, this situation was fixed back in 2002 courtesy of Intel

> >and their IAA. Yes, if you have a motherboard with a certain

> >hard-drive controller (see below), then the installation of the IAA

> >will replace ESDI_506.PDR with INTELATA.MPD.

>

> FWIW, I found these bits of info:

>

> http://www.partitionsupport.com/advancednotes.htm

>

> "Intel Application Accelerator (disk drivers) reporting version

> 2.2.0.2126 in "About" does not correctly support disks larger than 128

> GB in Windows 98 SE. A version reporting 2.3.0.2160 seems to do. May

> apply to other Windows versions too. With the earlier version the disk

> size is reported correctly, but read above 128 GB fails."

>

> http://www.partitionsupport.com/partitionnotes.htm

>

> "Disks larger than 32 GB and 128 GB cannot be considered reliable in

> Windows 95/98/ME, due to the Windows (or Windows disk driver) 32 GB

> and 128 GB problems. The 32 GB problem can be reliable detected using

> the GB32 program. The only situation I know of, where disks larger

> than 128 GB should be in the system, is if the chipset is Intel, and a

> recent version of Intel Application Accelerator is installed."

>

> http://www.partitionsupport.com/gb32-14.zip

> http://www.partitionsupport.com/utilities.htm

>

> - Franc Zabkar

> --

> Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.

 

Always good to receive more fine points surrounding this issue, even though

that means my days of reading heady web pages hasn''t neared its end.

Thanks. :-D

 

Just for the record, Intel claims this for WD Hard Drives of 137GB+ :

 

Intel® Application Accelerator

Notice for Customers Using Western Digital* Hard Drives Larger than 137GB

http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/iaa/sb/cs-009319.htm

 

"If you are using large Western Digital* hard drives that are larger than

137GB, it is recommended that you install version 2.3 of the Intel®

Application Accelerator.

 

Using a version of the Intel Application Accelerator prior to 2.3 with

Western Digital hard drives larger than 137GB may result in a blue screen

error and the inability to boot your system. These issues were resolved in

version 2.3 of the Intel Application Accelerator."

 

This info from Intel, regarding version (v.2.3.0.2160 ) claims to address

some BSOD problem, but unfortunately doesn't necessarily make any

reassurances as to its ability, reliabilty, or accuracy for large Hard

Drives.

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive

 

Here's more reading for ya:

 

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=65735&pid=486779&st=40&

 

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46752&pid=332326&mode=threaded&start=

 

If there is a post somewhere on MSFN saying that IAA has been tested

with a large IDE hard drive ( > 137 gb) then I can't find it.

[Guest BeBopaLula]

Re: Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive ...Success

 

Re: Installation questions - 500GB Hard Drive ...Success

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:46DA1F37.70DCB1BD@Guy.com...

> Here's more reading for ya:

>

> http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=65735&pid=486779&st=40&

>

>

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46752&pid=332326&mode=threaded&start=

>

> If there is a post somewhere on MSFN saying that IAA has been tested

> with a large IDE hard drive ( > 137 gb) then I can't find it.

 

I'm "read-out" . :-D

 

But here's the scoop... (in case you're still about this thread).

 

DONE ! <S>

 

Had some issues and was very slow to proceed with things, but in the end, it

all has worked out.

Employed your Cluster Guidelines and Partitioning Strategy. XP Pro in

Primary/Active 1 / 32 GB partition / 4 Kb clusters. Other partitions (7

more) are ~ 62 GB with 8 Kb Clusters.

 

I first cloned my 98se setup to another old drive and worked with that to

see what would happen. Didn't want to risk ruining my OEM long-established

(and full) 98se setup.

 

Had to use the DOS (Floppy) version of WDLG Tools 11.2 and had success. The

Windows version of WDLG 11.2 failed. It stated that my System didn't support

>> 137 GB. That was baloney, as proven by the successful application using

the DOS version of the same.

 

After sucess formatting and partitioning, I tested by writing about 27 MB

data to partitions << 137 GB as well as Partitions just beyond 137 GB; and

in the last partition, well beyond 137 GB (prolly about 450+ GB). Then ran

ME versions of Scandisk and Defrag on all those and that was fine. (but

might not have been a large enough data size for an accurate test ??).

 

Anyway, I re-booted the 500 GB drive with XP on it and it booted fine. All

data stored was still present in all locations. I also tested it as the

Primary 0 and the Primary 1 drive as well. Both alone (only one drive

installed) and in conjunction with the 40 GB HD-D with 98se on it.

Everything appears to work as hoped (thus far). Have *copied* lots of data

from various locales/ drives/ flash drives / old Hard Drives and so far, so

good.

 

So, thanks for your help 98 Guy (and all who came forth and tried or did

offer assistance.) :-))

 

BeBopalula

[Guest Joshua]

how do i find what my sound card?

 

how do i find what my sound card?

 

im just trying to get sound on my computer at work at its like i have to sell

an arm and a leg to find out how i need to find out what sound card is in

this Dell Dimension desktop optiplex GX240?

 

"BeBopaLula" wrote:

> Hello.

>

> A question about installing and partitioning a 500 GB Western Digital

> ATA/IDE Hard Drive in a basic W98se equipped system (plus some). Details

> below.

>

> I also wish to apologize in advance for the long post, the myriad

> questions - most of which are probably ignorant - as well as my being so

> uneducated in such matters.

>

> Platform Configuration:

> Dell Optiplex GX240

> 2 - ATA/IDE Hard Drives - each having a separate OS.

> HD-D 1 - W98se / HD-D 2 - WinXP Pro. Both FAT32.

> Boots into the respective OS using a 3rd party Boot Manager - BootUS.

> (My Dell Optiplex A05 BIOS - the latest and final - will only permit

> booting off the Primary Drive Volume as physically cabled.)

> System Board - Intel 845 Chipset.

> BIOS - version A05

>

> Issue:

> I'd like to install a Western Digital 500 GB ATA/IDE Hard Drive (OEM) model

> WD5000AAKB as a secondary HD-D, and still keep my 40GB HD-D withW98se OS

> operational as that primary drive. If OTOH, someone has a more practical

> approach and rationale regarding this proposal, I'll consider it. But, if my

> initial premise seems sound, then that's probably what I'd prefer to have.

>

> Research: Every WD webpage. Every Intel Webpage. Multitudes of

> non-manufacturer type web pages where the issue at hand is discussed. I'm

> turning to the MS Newsgroups so as to help me (if possible) decipher the

> confusingly round-robin instructions. To place them in terms and sequential

> order which a first-time-user-doing-this-sort-of-thing can understand.

>

> Questions:

> What must I do to Install and Partition this 500 GB HD-D ?

> Can this be done using the W98se OS ?

> Can this be done using WinXP Pro OS ?

> Does it make a difference which OS is employed to perform said operation?

> Though I'd still prefer to use W98se as my primary OS as I do now. (I have a

> love hate thing with it. *ggg*)

> Can I install the OS'es on separate Drives (as I indicated as being my

> current setup ) ?

> Is there an option/ability to partition this 500 GB HD-D so as to have two

> distinctly separate(d) OS'es - one as a 'back-up' ?

>

> Detailed questions:

> The Western Digital Lifeguard Tools (version 11.2). Is that a "Overlay" type

> thing (DDO) ? I've heard there are issues (or problems, if one elects to

> move the HD-D to another System) with employing such a method to make the

> large HD-D operational.

>

> The Intel Application Accelerator. Is that an "Overlay" type tool as well ?

> Same question as above, if it is.

>

> The Intel Chipset Updater - which Intel states must be installed first,

> prior to running the Intel Application Accelerator.

> Is that necessary, if the Intel Chipset Identifier and a BIOS tool indicates

> that my Dell A05 BIOS will apparently support 48-bitLBA as is, without the

> need for a secondary IDE PCI Controller card ?

>

> I've read that there are issues (as well as some supposed workarounds) as to

> the Native W98(se) FDisk / Format / Defrag / DiskMaint / and so forth. That

> in some cases an updated version of some of these (such as from WinME in

> some cases) might be useful in *some, but not all* instances. Is that true,

> or am I mistaken ?

>

> I've read that if a system crashes ("IF"... hahah), that an autorun of

> Scandisk in such an instance (after a re-boot in this case) will likely

> cause possible corruption of Data on that large HD-D. True or not ? If

> true, what's a person to do, aside from suggested disabling of Scandisk

> autorun in such a crash scenario ?

>

> Assuming I'd like an OS partition in the neighborhood of 8 -12 GB, and then

> several 20 GB partitions and then a few very large partitions(working type

> for editing and so-forth), is it an absolute certainty that a 3rd-party

> Partitioning application is required for what I need to do ?

>

> When a recommendation is to keep a partition below 137 GB, does that mean

> that I can employ the full 500 GB's as long as each partition is no larger

> than 137 GB ? Or, does that mean that the max and only visible/usable size

> of a partition on such a setup as stated above will be limited to 137 GB,

> and the remainder - however large - will be useless, inaccessible, invisible

> and therefore, lost space and money?

>

> I'm sure I've neglected to ask many important questions. Moreover, I might

> be deficient by having supplied less than adequate information to aid you in

> aiding me. If so, once again, I apologize for this.

>

> I offer my sincere thanks for any *knowledgeable and experienced help* which

> may come my way. I may be a bit "slow" in many technical matters and may

> also be slow in replying here to any answers - as I have a lot of irons on

> the fire on my homefront. But please be assured, I will respond to all who

> help.

>

> Thank you.

>

>

>

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: how do i find what my sound card?

 

Re: how do i find what my sound card?

 

"Joshua" <Joshua@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:23BE4695-F1EA-4551-8C7C-32BF9694F5E1@microsoft.com...

> im just trying to get sound on my computer at work at its like i have to sell

> an arm and a leg to find out how i need to find out what sound card is in

> this Dell Dimension desktop optiplex GX240?

 

Dell™ OptiPlex™ GX240 Systems User's Guide

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx240/en/ug/specs.htm#1106346

 

Drivers and Downloads

http://support.dell.com/support/downloads/driverslist.aspx?os=W98&osl=EN&catid=-1&impid=-1&servicetag=&SystemID=PLX_PNT_P4_GX240&hidos=WW1&hidlang=en

 

or if the line wraps/breaks: http://tinyurl.com/2n6j92

 

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Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

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[Guest Ben Myers]

Re: how do i find what my sound card?

 

Re: how do i find what my sound card?

 

"Joshua" <Joshua@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:23BE4695-F1EA-4551-8C7C-32BF9694F5E1@microsoft.com...

> im just trying to get sound on my computer at work at its like i have to sell

> an arm and a leg to find out how i need to find out what sound card is in

> this Dell Dimension desktop optiplex GX240?

 

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/opgx240/en/ug/specs.htm#1112520

 

Ben