P166 to run DOS 6?

September 6, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

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> Philo,

>

> I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.

>

> The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old

> Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless

> versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with WFW

> 3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do

> *anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in 1996.

>

> I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's

totalling

> **1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB. This

> is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending on

> whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"

> monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.

> I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with 1000

> free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball.

Only

> thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB total.

> It helped some.

>

> I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It was

the

> NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about something

in

> a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know some

> MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean and

> tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I made

it

> work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.

>

> I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this

> *came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro on

it.

> So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat marginal

> machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again

I'm

> very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy" (hated

> the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't look

> like XP at all!

>

> I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive enough.

I

> swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really like

> computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and

pencil.

> Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours in

a

> library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love

> information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get popular, I

> was hooked. I've got a library at home!!

>

> So, here I am!

>

Hey that's great...

I got my ham ticket back in 1964 and am still licensed...but find that I

like usenet a lot better!

But was sure surprised that I ended up with a computer...Never did I think

I'd get into it.

When I decided to go "on-line" I paid $100 for a full year of dial-up...

and was using win95 with IE2. I had not idea how to use the browser and

called up a friend of mine who looked ta it and

was also quite puzzled...but we were able to somehow download IE5...it took

4 hours!

Whew...

Those were the days.

Then, as an experimentor I decided to give Linux a try and it took me 6 full

months before I even had the slightest

clue as to what I was doing...I decided to read all the info on Usenet (the

Linux groups) to learn.

I had absolutely no intention to post...

but then saw some other beginner struggling with something that I had just

figured out a few days before....

so I gave him some help.

Even though I was just a beginner...he thought I was some expert...and it

turned out the was a Windows NT administrator

who had many years of computer experience....but had recently decided to

dabble in Linux...

I told him that his question was way over my head...and the question he had

that I answered was about the only thing

I knew. <G>

Anyway...in all these years I have never yet purchased a new machine...I use

mostly other people old "junk"

and am pretty good at really getting the most out of things.

It's so odd to now see Pentium-4's in the trash! I grab them up as fast as I

can.

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

Thanks for the reply Philo. Another ham...I'll bet there are a lot of hams

hanging around these NG's.

I got my Novice ticket in 1971, and by the middle of '72 got my General and

then Advanced 3 weeks later. My license lapsed in '85 I think, although

when I've looked in the Callbook it appears that my call hasn't been given

to anybody else yet. Perhaps I could get it back. WBØDOU--I had on heck of

a setup. TH6DXX at 60', kilowatt. 100% Heathkit® gear. Ah, woe is me

<g>. I'd like to *at least* get my ticket back.

Thank you, and *73* !

--

Curt

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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|

| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

| news:u%23DObYN8HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| > Philo,

| >

| > I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.

| >

| > The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old

| > Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless

| > versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with WFW

| > 3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do

| > *anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in

1996.

| >

| > I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's

| totalling

| > **1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB.

This

| > is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending

on

| > whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"

| > monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.

| > I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with 1000

| > free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball.

| Only

| > thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB

total.

| > It helped some.

| >

| > I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It was

| the

| > NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about something

| in

| > a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know some

| > MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean

and

| > tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I made

| it

| > work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.

| >

| > I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this

| > *came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro on

| it.

| > So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat

marginal

| > machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again

| I'm

| > very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy"

(hated

| > the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't look

| > like XP at all!

| >

| > I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive

enough.

| I

| > swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really like

| > computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and

| pencil.

| > Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours

in

| a

| > library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love

| > information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get popular,

I

| > was hooked. I've got a library at home!!

| >

| > So, here I am!

| >

|

| Hey that's great...

| I got my ham ticket back in 1964 and am still licensed...but find that I

| like usenet a lot better!

|

| But was sure surprised that I ended up with a computer...Never did I think

| I'd get into it.

| When I decided to go "on-line" I paid $100 for a full year of dial-up...

| and was using win95 with IE2. I had not idea how to use the browser and

| called up a friend of mine who looked ta it and

| was also quite puzzled...but we were able to somehow download IE5...it

took

| 4 hours!

|

| Whew...

|

| Those were the days.

|

| Then, as an experimentor I decided to give Linux a try and it took me 6

full

| months before I even had the slightest

| clue as to what I was doing...I decided to read all the info on Usenet

(the

| Linux groups) to learn.

| I had absolutely no intention to post...

| but then saw some other beginner struggling with something that I had just

| figured out a few days before....

| so I gave him some help.

| Even though I was just a beginner...he thought I was some expert...and it

| turned out the was a Windows NT administrator

| who had many years of computer experience....but had recently decided to

| dabble in Linux...

| I told him that his question was way over my head...and the question he

had

| that I answered was about the only thing

| I knew. <G>

|

| Anyway...in all these years I have never yet purchased a new machine...I

use

| mostly other people old "junk"

| and am pretty good at really getting the most out of things.

| It's so odd to now see Pentium-4's in the trash! I grab them up as fast as

I

| can.

|

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

Philo,

Are you in Wisconsin? I'm Prior Lake, MN.

--

HTH,

Curt

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:e4D9M$O8HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| Thanks for the reply Philo. Another ham...I'll bet there are a lot of

hams

| hanging around these NG's.

|

| I got my Novice ticket in 1971, and by the middle of '72 got my General

and

| then Advanced 3 weeks later. My license lapsed in '85 I think, although

| when I've looked in the Callbook it appears that my call hasn't been given

| to anybody else yet. Perhaps I could get it back. WBØDOU--I had on heck

of

| a setup. TH6DXX at 60', kilowatt. 100% Heathkit® gear. Ah, woe is me

| <g>. I'd like to *at least* get my ticket back.

| Thank you, and *73* !

|

| --

|

| Curt

|

| Windows Support Center

| http://www.aumha.org

| Practically Nerded,...

| http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

|

| "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

| news:OeyScwN8HHA.5504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

||

|| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

|| news:u%23DObYN8HHA.5316@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|| > Philo,

|| >

|| > I can only imagine, as I've never tried anything like *that*.

|| >

|| > The first experience I had with computers was somebody gave me an old

|| > Northgate box, with 4MB RAM, a 386 @??, and a 55MB HD. I had countless

|| > versions of DOS I could play with,(I loved v.6.22), and settled with

WFW

|| > 3.11. It didn't have a modem, and I seriously wonder if it could do

|| > *anything* but pure text stuff on the Internet--if that.That was in

| 1996.

|| >

|| > I got an old Packard Bell for my birthday in 2000. It had *2* HD's

|| totalling

|| > **1.6 GB**!! 16 MB RAM, plus 4MB RAM on the MB, so a total of 20MB.

| This

|| > is the one with the P24T, Pentium Overdrive® @ 85MHz (100 MHz depending

| on

|| > whose benchmark you used). Oh, a 28.8 modem, 2-button mouse, and 14"

|| > monitor and a "real" IBM keyboard. It came with W98SE.

|| > I *did* have that machine on the 'net from 2000-2006, starting with

1000

|| > free hours thanks to AOL. Slow as molasses, but I was having a ball.

|| Only

|| > thing I did was add more RAM, for a total of 32MB=4MB onboard= 36MB

| total.

|| > It helped some.

|| >

|| > I spent all that time in this and the other MS W98 related NG's. It

was

|| the

|| > NG's where I learned everything. It's one thing to read about

something

|| in

|| > a book, but try it hands-on, and you'll remember it. I got to know

some

|| > MVP's, and many other folks. I remember you well. I had a very lean

| and

|| > tweaked 98 box. It was an underpowered machine running 98SE, but I

made

|| it

|| > work at it's limit, and I was very proud of what I could do on it.

|| >

|| > I'm now using a machine I "inherited" after my mom's upgrade, and this

|| > *came* with 98SE installed. But by the time I got it, it had XP Pro

on

|| it.

|| > So I'm trying to learn it. But, once again, I'm using a somewhat

| marginal

|| > machine for the OS, but I've got it tweaked to the max., and once again

|| I'm

|| > very proud of how it performs. I turned off *all* the "eye-candy"

| (hated

|| > the pastels and "Fisher-Price" look). Once it boots up, it doesn't

look

|| > like XP at all!

|| >

|| > I was an amateur radio operator for years, and that was expensive

| enough.

|| I

|| > swore I'd NEVER get into computers at all. Besides, I don't really

like

|| > computer games, I can balance my checkbook with a calc. or paper and

|| pencil.

|| > Then comes the Internet and the WWW. I was hooked. I can spend hours

| in

|| a

|| > library unless someone drags me out kicking and screaming. I love

|| > information, and to learn--anything. Once the WWW began to get

popular,

| I

|| > was hooked. I've got a library at home!!

|| >

|| > So, here I am!

|| >

||

|| Hey that's great...

|| I got my ham ticket back in 1964 and am still licensed...but find that I

|| like usenet a lot better!

||

|| But was sure surprised that I ended up with a computer...Never did I

think

|| I'd get into it.

|| When I decided to go "on-line" I paid $100 for a full year of dial-up...

|| and was using win95 with IE2. I had not idea how to use the browser and

|| called up a friend of mine who looked ta it and

|| was also quite puzzled...but we were able to somehow download IE5...it

| took

|| 4 hours!

||

|| Whew...

||

|| Those were the days.

||

|| Then, as an experimentor I decided to give Linux a try and it took me 6

| full

|| months before I even had the slightest

|| clue as to what I was doing...I decided to read all the info on Usenet

| (the

|| Linux groups) to learn.

|| I had absolutely no intention to post...

|| but then saw some other beginner struggling with something that I had

just

|| figured out a few days before....

|| so I gave him some help.

|| Even though I was just a beginner...he thought I was some expert...and it

|| turned out the was a Windows NT administrator

|| who had many years of computer experience....but had recently decided to

|| dabble in Linux...

|| I told him that his question was way over my head...and the question he

| had

|| that I answered was about the only thing

|| I knew. <G>

||

|| Anyway...in all these years I have never yet purchased a new machine...I

| use

|| mostly other people old "junk"

|| and am pretty good at really getting the most out of things.

|| It's so odd to now see Pentium-4's in the trash! I grab them up as fast

as

| I

|| can.

||

|

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:%23EEYoTP8HHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Philo,

>

> Are you in Wisconsin? I'm Prior Lake, MN.

>

Yes the call is WA9MCK

I really miss those vacuum tube days...

I started out with a Johnson Adventurer ( a 6AG7 driving an 807)

and an HQ-110c ...worked a bit of DX with that setup...usually on 15

meters CW

but sometimes on 40 meter CW.

Later, I built a cathode modulator and when ten meters was open did quite

well on AM.

Right now my equipment is at an extreme minimum...

HQ-140-x and a junk cb set that I converted to 10 meter CW...

Usenet is the new Ham Radio...

to bad there isn't a spark-gap version of Usenet :)

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

philo wrote:

>

> Ok, first off...

> Win98 cannot be installed on a 386...Just wanted to make that clear.

>

> But one can put a drive with Win98 already on it into a 386...

> I tried it after installing it on a P-1 then deleting as much of the

> H/W as I could in the control panel.

>

> But Win98 crashed. I eventually "cheated" and tried a Win98lite

> installation it used the win95 explorer

> shell...and after quite a bit of tweaking I actually did get Win98 to

> function on a 386

>

> here is a screenshot

>

> http://www.plazaearth.com/philo/win98_386.jpg

>

Did you try to run multithreading software on it? I have written a library

which I wanted to target all Win32 platforms, and found that the function

InterlockedCompareExchange() (which does some atomic comparison and

exchange on pointers, and is a kernel function) is not available in W95.

It's easy to write it in assembly, but I found that the cmpxchg is not

supported by a 386. So then I knew why W98 needs a 486.

I wonder what will happen when a program calls InterlockedCompareExchange

on a 386 hosted OS. An 'Invalid opcode' exception will rise in the kernel.

Blue screen?

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

It's up to you Philo, but if you would, could you e-mail me as this is

getting a little OT. Just a few comments I want to add, but as I said,

things are getting a little OT.

My first rig was an Army ARC-5 that a fellow ham friend lent to me. He had

converted it to use a pair of 6146's in the final, and modified it to use

xtals, while disconnecting the VFO. It had cathode keying which led to 600v

across the hand key contacts. Never got zapped, but that setup led to a few

adventures however.

Those were the days...

--

73,

Curt

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

news:ugIAFYQ8HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|

| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

| news:%23EEYoTP8HHA.396@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > Philo,

| >

| > Are you in Wisconsin? I'm Prior Lake, MN.

| >

|

| Yes the call is WA9MCK

|

| I really miss those vacuum tube days...

|

| I started out with a Johnson Adventurer ( a 6AG7 driving an 807)

| and an HQ-110c ...worked a bit of DX with that setup...usually on 15

| meters CW

| but sometimes on 40 meter CW.

| Later, I built a cathode modulator and when ten meters was open did quite

| well on AM.

|

| Right now my equipment is at an extreme minimum...

| HQ-140-x and a junk cb set that I converted to 10 meter CW...

|

| Usenet is the new Ham Radio...

| to bad there isn't a spark-gap version of Usenet :)

|

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

> >

>

> Did you try to run multithreading software on it? I have written a library

> which I wanted to target all Win32 platforms, and found that the function

> InterlockedCompareExchange() (which does some atomic comparison and

> exchange on pointers, and is a kernel function) is not available in W95.

> It's easy to write it in assembly, but I found that the cmpxchg is not

> supported by a 386. So then I knew why W98 needs a 486.

> I wonder what will happen when a program calls InterlockedCompareExchange

> on a 386 hosted OS. An 'Invalid opcode' exception will rise in the kernel.

> Blue screen?

I only tried some minimal software...no multithreading.

In order to get win98 to run on the 386...not only did I have to use the

win95 explorer shell...

there were a number of functions that I had to delete from the registry.

Though it was a while back and I don't recall all the details...

I'd boot up in normal mode and watch where the OS crashed as it was

loading...

then boot to safe mode and delete the registry keys of whatever function was

unworkable...

then boot to normal mode and try again.

So even though technically I did have win98 on a 386...

it was so crippled that it was essentially just win95.

BTW: I had a look around on Google and see that someone out there wasted

even more time than I did

and tried something similar with XP on an underclocked P-1:

http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:%23Udv3AU8HHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> It's up to you Philo, but if you would, could you e-mail me as this is

> getting a little OT. Just a few comments I want to add, but as I said,

> things are getting a little OT.

> My first rig was an Army ARC-5 that a fellow ham friend lent to me. He

had

> converted it to use a pair of 6146's in the final, and modified it to use

> xtals, while disconnecting the VFO. It had cathode keying which led to

600v

> across the hand key contacts. Never got zapped, but that setup led to a

few

> adventures however.

>

> Those were the days...

>

OK

will email as this is OT :)

September 7, 2007

Re: P166 to run DOS 6?

Your Winhistory link is unbelievable. I would never have thought it

possible. Ah, the boot times, no those *I* can almost relate to from days

of old.

--

HTH,

Curt

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

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"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message

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|

| > >

| >

| > Did you try to run multithreading software on it? I have written a

library

| > which I wanted to target all Win32 platforms, and found that the

function

| > InterlockedCompareExchange() (which does some atomic comparison and

| > exchange on pointers, and is a kernel function) is not available in W95.

| > It's easy to write it in assembly, but I found that the cmpxchg is not

| > supported by a 386. So then I knew why W98 needs a 486.

| > I wonder what will happen when a program calls

InterlockedCompareExchange

| > on a 386 hosted OS. An 'Invalid opcode' exception will rise in the

kernel.

| > Blue screen?

|

| I only tried some minimal software...no multithreading.

|

| In order to get win98 to run on the 386...not only did I have to use the

| win95 explorer shell...

| there were a number of functions that I had to delete from the registry.

|

| Though it was a while back and I don't recall all the details...

| I'd boot up in normal mode and watch where the OS crashed as it was

| loading...

| then boot to safe mode and delete the registry keys of whatever function

was

| unworkable...

| then boot to normal mode and try again.

|

| So even though technically I did have win98 on a 386...

| it was so crippled that it was essentially just win95.

|

| BTW: I had a look around on Google and see that someone out there wasted

| even more time than I did

| and tried something similar with XP on an underclocked P-1:

|

| http://www.winhistory.de/more/386/xpmini_eng.htm

|

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