Guest RPD Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Hi I bought a new computer with Win Vista Premium OS and added it to my home network .This replaces an old computer-that was running Win XP Pro-which had been networked to my PC that uses Windows XP home edition. These computers are directly connected via wired LAN and I have a Belkin router/modem with a wireless conection to a third networked computer. I have a problem accessing the new computer via the network.When I click on the new workgroup computer icon on my XP machine it gives an error message saying this is inaccessible possibly due to not having permission to access it. I am an administrator for all three machines (the other 2 computers are for my son & daughter respectively). I am most grateful for help to solve this please. Also when I click view full network map on the Vista machine I see a computer icon of my XP machine but clicking on this just gets a dialogue box called gateway device -not the XP computer!? I did have similar problems getting these 3 machines networked initially with XP and now I am having it again on adding this new computer with Vista! Anyway I hope someone can offer help please (I have installed the LLTD on the XP machine) and look forward to a reply..... -- RPD
Guest Malke Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please RPD wrote: > Hi > I bought a new computer with Win Vista Premium OS and added it to my home > network .This replaces an old computer-that was running Win XP Pro-which had > been networked to my PC that uses Windows XP home edition. These computers > are directly connected via wired LAN and I have a Belkin router/modem with a > wireless conection to a third networked computer. > > I have a problem accessing the new computer via the network.When I click on > the new workgroup computer icon on my XP machine it gives an error message > saying this is inaccessible possibly due to not having permission to access > it. I am an administrator for all three machines (the other 2 computers are > for my son & daughter respectively). > > I am most grateful for help to solve this please. Also when I click view > full network map on the Vista machine I see a computer icon of my XP machine > but clicking on this just gets a dialogue box called gateway device -not the > XP computer!? > > I did have similar problems getting these 3 machines networked initially > with XP and now I am having it again on adding this new computer with Vista! > Anyway I hope someone can offer help please (I have installed the LLTD on the > XP machine) and look forward to a reply..... General network troubleshooting: ***** This link will take you through Vista networking very well: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating system does not permit it. Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks: 1. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. 2. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control Panel, Computer Name tab. 3. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at this link work for both XP and Vista: Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) - http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm 4. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center: a. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user accounts/passwords on all computers. b. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the Simple File Sharing enabled. Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters in your situation. I think it is a good idea to create the identical user accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it isn't an onerous task with home/small networks. 5. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about Vista sharing. ***** Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers http://www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest RPD Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please Malke Thanks for your very helpful post. Silly me had forgotten to allow the Norton firewall on the new Vista computer to trust this network! So I have done this and now from my XP machine I can access the icon for the Vista machine in the workgroup which then gives the harddrive icon I enabled for sharing.However when I click this to access folders it says no permission! I think I have the same user account and password on both machines and so I am not sure why I cannot access this level. I will keep trying to see why I cannot yet access this hard drive's folders. I hope to find the solution soon but if I don't I will ask for your help again! Many thanks and best wishes to you -- RPD "Malke" wrote: > RPD wrote: > > Hi > > I bought a new computer with Win Vista Premium OS and added it to my home > > network .This replaces an old computer-that was running Win XP Pro-which had > > been networked to my PC that uses Windows XP home edition. These computers > > are directly connected via wired LAN and I have a Belkin router/modem with a > > wireless conection to a third networked computer. > > > > I have a problem accessing the new computer via the network.When I click on > > the new workgroup computer icon on my XP machine it gives an error message > > saying this is inaccessible possibly due to not having permission to access > > it. I am an administrator for all three machines (the other 2 computers are > > for my son & daughter respectively). > > > > I am most grateful for help to solve this please. Also when I click view > > full network map on the Vista machine I see a computer icon of my XP machine > > but clicking on this just gets a dialogue box called gateway device -not the > > XP computer!? > > > > I did have similar problems getting these 3 machines networked initially > > with XP and now I am having it again on adding this new computer with Vista! > > Anyway I hope someone can offer help please (I have installed the LLTD on the > > XP machine) and look forward to a reply..... > > General network troubleshooting: > > ***** > This link will take you through Vista networking very well: > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx > > Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally > caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two > firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party > firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on > all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating > system does not permit it. > > Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks: > > 1. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network > (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing > File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network > Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only > "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you > aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with > "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a > firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually > configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be > 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct > subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. > > 2. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup > didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in > the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control > Panel, Computer Name tab. > > 3. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you > wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular > user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at > this link work for both XP and Vista: > > Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) - > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm > > 4. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center: > > a. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off > Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user > accounts/passwords on all computers. > > b. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the > Simple File Sharing enabled. > > Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means > that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its > resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters > in your situation. > > I think it is a good idea to create the identical user > accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it > isn't an onerous task with home/small networks. > > 5. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' > home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share > folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the > Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about > Vista sharing. > ***** > > Malke > -- > Elephant Boy Computers > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > "Don't Panic!" > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User >
Guest RPD Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please Malke I still cannot access the shared drive (of the Vista computer) from the XP machine and if you can add any further advice I would be grateful.I looked at your links but haven't yet got this fixed. I also have a problem with shared printing. I have shared the printer on my XP machine and added this to the printer folder on the Vista machine but it will not print! When I access the workgroup from the XP machine there is an icon for printers for the Vista machine, but this is empty.There is a control to add a printer from there and when I try to use that it says I do not have sufficient privileges! I expect this has something to do with user accounts and passwords. My user account on both these machines is the same with no password enabled but this maybe the problem. I am concerned if I change the user account on my XP machine then I will not stay networked to my third computer (Win XP home). I am afraid all of this is rather tiresome and seems tricky for me!! I wish Windows was simpler!(and still secure). Any more help and support I am very grateful for! -- RPD "RPD" wrote: > Malke > Thanks for your very helpful post. Silly me had forgotten to allow the > Norton firewall on the new Vista computer to trust this network! So I have > done this and now from my XP machine I can access the icon for the Vista > machine in the workgroup which then gives the harddrive icon I enabled for > sharing.However when I click this to access folders it says no permission! > > I think I have the same user account and password on both machines and so I > am not sure why I cannot access this level. I will keep trying to see why I > cannot yet access this hard drive's folders. I hope to find the solution soon > but if I don't I will ask for your help again! > > Many thanks and best wishes to you > > -- > RPD > > > "Malke" wrote: > > > RPD wrote: > > > Hi > > > I bought a new computer with Win Vista Premium OS and added it to my home > > > network .This replaces an old computer-that was running Win XP Pro-which had > > > been networked to my PC that uses Windows XP home edition. These computers > > > are directly connected via wired LAN and I have a Belkin router/modem with a > > > wireless conection to a third networked computer. > > > > > > I have a problem accessing the new computer via the network.When I click on > > > the new workgroup computer icon on my XP machine it gives an error message > > > saying this is inaccessible possibly due to not having permission to access > > > it. I am an administrator for all three machines (the other 2 computers are > > > for my son & daughter respectively). > > > > > > I am most grateful for help to solve this please. Also when I click view > > > full network map on the Vista machine I see a computer icon of my XP machine > > > but clicking on this just gets a dialogue box called gateway device -not the > > > XP computer!? > > > > > > I did have similar problems getting these 3 machines networked initially > > > with XP and now I am having it again on adding this new computer with Vista! > > > Anyway I hope someone can offer help please (I have installed the LLTD on the > > > XP machine) and look forward to a reply..... > > > > General network troubleshooting: > > > > ***** > > This link will take you through Vista networking very well: > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx > > > > Problems sharing files between computers on a network are generally > > caused by 1) a misconfigured firewall; or 2) inadvertently running two > > firewalls such as the built-in Windows Firewall and a third-party > > firewall; and/or 3) not having identical user accounts and passwords on > > all Workgroup machines; 4) trying to create shares where the operating > > system does not permit it. > > > > Here are some general networking tips for home/small networks: > > > > 1. Configure firewalls on all machines to allow the Local Area Network > > (LAN) traffic as trusted. With Windows Firewall, this means allowing > > File/Printer Sharing on the Exceptions tab. Normally running the Network > > Setup Wizard on XP will take care of this for those machines.The only > > "gotcha" is that this will turn on the XPSP2 Windows Firewall. If you > > aren't running a third-party firewall or have an antivirus with > > "Internet Worm Protection" (like Norton 2006/07) which acts as a > > firewall, then you're fine. With third-party firewalls, I usually > > configure the LAN allowance with an IP range. Ex. would be > > 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.254. Obviously you would substitute your correct > > subnet. Do not run more than one firewall. > > > > 2. With earlier Microsoft operating systems, the name of the Workgroup > > didn't matter. Apparently it does with Vista, so put all computers in > > the same Workgroup. This is done from the System applet in Control > > Panel, Computer Name tab. > > > > 3. Create identical user accounts and passwords on all machines. If you > > wish a machine to boot directly to the Desktop (into one particular > > user's account) for convenience, you can do this. The instructions at > > this link work for both XP and Vista: > > > > Configure Windows to Automatically Login (MVP Ramesh) - > > http://windowsxp.mvps.org/Autologon.htm > > > > 4. If one or more of the computers is XP Pro or Media Center: > > > > a. If you need Pro's ability to set fine-grained permissions, turn off > > Simple File Sharing (Folder Options>View tab) and create identical user > > accounts/passwords on all computers. > > > > b. If you don't care about using Pro's advanced features, leave the > > Simple File Sharing enabled. > > > > Simple File Sharing means that Guest (network) is enabled. This means > > that anyone without a user account on the target system can use its > > resources. This is a security hole but only you can decide if it matters > > in your situation. > > > > I think it is a good idea to create the identical user > > accounts/passwords in any case when Vista machines are involved and it > > isn't an onerous task with home/small networks. > > > > 5. Create shares as desired. XP Home does not permit sharing of users' > > home directories (My Documents) or Program Files, but you can share > > folders inside those directories. A better choice is to simply use the > > Shared Documents folder. See the first link above for details about > > Vista sharing. > > ***** > > > > Malke > > -- > > Elephant Boy Computers > > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > > "Don't Panic!" > > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User > >
Guest Malke Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please RPD wrote: > Malke > > I still cannot access the shared drive (of the Vista computer) from the XP > machine and if you can add any further advice I would be grateful.I looked at > your links but haven't yet got this fixed. > > I also have a problem with shared printing. I have shared the printer on my > XP machine and added this to the printer folder on the Vista machine but it > will not print! > When I access the workgroup from the XP machine there is an icon for > printers for the Vista machine, but this is empty.There is a control to add a > printer from there and when I try to use that it says I do not have > sufficient privileges! > I expect this has something to do with user accounts and passwords. My user > account on both these machines is the same with no password enabled but this > maybe the problem. I am concerned if I change the user account on my XP > machine then I will not stay networked to my third computer (Win XP home). > I am afraid all of this is rather tiresome and seems tricky for me!! > I wish Windows was simpler!(and still secure). > > Any more help and support I am very grateful for! 1. Create identifical user accounts and passwords on both machines. 2. For printing, you need to share out the printer on the computer to which it is connected. Then install the printer drivers for the correct operating system on the computer to which the printer is not connected. It will depend on how the printer drivers were written whether the printer will be found during the installation routine or whether you will need to use the Add Printer wizard. Refer to the link I gave you for Vista networking again. http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers http://www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest RPD Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please Thanks for your reply. I have tried these steps with no success yet! I have the same user name and password and when I add printer it selects it and appears to say it is installed and then tries to print a test page which doesn't print! I cannot access the shared drive nor print from my XP computer, as it keeps saying I don't have permission/rights!! I will keep trying but this is very trying- of patience! I will let you know if I ever get this working...... Best wishes -- RPD "Malke" wrote: > RPD wrote: > > Malke > > > > I still cannot access the shared drive (of the Vista computer) from the XP > > machine and if you can add any further advice I would be grateful.I looked at > > your links but haven't yet got this fixed. > > > > I also have a problem with shared printing. I have shared the printer on my > > XP machine and added this to the printer folder on the Vista machine but it > > will not print! > > When I access the workgroup from the XP machine there is an icon for > > printers for the Vista machine, but this is empty.There is a control to add a > > printer from there and when I try to use that it says I do not have > > sufficient privileges! > > I expect this has something to do with user accounts and passwords. My user > > account on both these machines is the same with no password enabled but this > > maybe the problem. I am concerned if I change the user account on my XP > > machine then I will not stay networked to my third computer (Win XP home). > > I am afraid all of this is rather tiresome and seems tricky for me!! > > I wish Windows was simpler!(and still secure). > > > > Any more help and support I am very grateful for! > > 1. Create identifical user accounts and passwords on both machines. > 2. For printing, you need to share out the printer on the computer to > which it is connected. Then install the printer drivers for the correct > operating system on the computer to which the printer is not connected. > It will depend on how the printer drivers were written whether the > printer will be found during the installation routine or whether you > will need to use the Add Printer wizard. > > Refer to the link I gave you for Vista networking again. > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/network/evaluate/vista_fp.mspx > > > Malke > -- > Elephant Boy Computers > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > "Don't Panic!" > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User >
Guest Malke Posted September 4, 2007 Posted September 4, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please RPD wrote: > Thanks for your reply. I have tried these steps with no success yet! > I have the same user name and password and when I add printer it selects it > and > appears to say it is installed and then tries to print a test page which > doesn't print! > I cannot access the shared drive nor print from my XP computer, as it keeps > saying I don't have permission/rights!! > I will keep trying but this is very trying- of patience! > I will let you know if I ever get this working...... > Best wishes I'm sorry, but without being able to see your computer I can't help any further. If you are getting "access denied" errors then you 1) don't have identical user accounts/passwords on both machines; 2) haven't set up your sharing/permissions correctly on the printer; 3) have a misconfigured firewall - or any combination of those factors. You may wish to have a local professional come on-site to set you up. Get recommendations from family, friends, colleagues. Do not use a BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of place. Good luck, Malke -- Elephant Boy Computers http://www.elephantboycomputers.com "Don't Panic!" MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
Guest Island Boy Posted September 18, 2007 Posted September 18, 2007 Re: Help networking Win XP with Win Vista computers please RPD I had the exact problem and I followed Malke's instruction and changed my Internet security options in Nortons 2008. I went to my XP pc and got the IP address. I then went into Nortons and added the IP to my trusted Computers list upder the "Personal Firewall - Trust Control" settings. I can now see all the shared folders and printers with no problem. Malke, thanks for the info!!!! "Malke" wrote: > RPD wrote: > > Thanks for your reply. I have tried these steps with no success yet! > > I have the same user name and password and when I add printer it selects it > > and > > appears to say it is installed and then tries to print a test page which > > doesn't print! > > I cannot access the shared drive nor print from my XP computer, as it keeps > > saying I don't have permission/rights!! > > I will keep trying but this is very trying- of patience! > > I will let you know if I ever get this working...... > > Best wishes > > I'm sorry, but without being able to see your computer I can't help any > further. If you are getting "access denied" errors then you 1) don't > have identical user accounts/passwords on both machines; 2) haven't set > up your sharing/permissions correctly on the printer; 3) have a > misconfigured firewall - or any combination of those factors. > > You may wish to have a local professional come on-site to set you up. > Get recommendations from family, friends, colleagues. Do not use a > BigComputerStore/GeekSquad type of place. > > Good luck, > > > Malke > -- > Elephant Boy Computers > http://www.elephantboycomputers.com > "Don't Panic!" > MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User >
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