Guest W. Watson Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes had 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed typing was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about increasing VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still notice things are going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or even determine how big it is? I'm using 1G of real memory. -- Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... > About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes had > 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed typing > was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about increasing > VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still notice things are > going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or even determine how big it > is? I'm using 1G of real memory. > -- > Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) > > Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS to manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave it this way. Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals to identify what it is... Ed Metcalfe.
Guest someone Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same info? "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OLy6IrN7HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >> About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes had >> 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed typing >> was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about increasing >> VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still notice things are >> going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or even determine how big it >> is? I'm using 1G of real memory. >> -- >> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >> >> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> > > Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your > problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS to > manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave it this > way. > > Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest > downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals to > identify what it is... > > Ed Metcalfe. >
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same info? They wouldn't, but Process Explorer and Process Monitor give a lot more info than Task Manager. Ed Metcalfe.
Guest Unknown Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually ends up causing problems. "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same info? > > "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OLy6IrN7HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >> "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message >> news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>> About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes had >>> 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed typing >>> was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about >>> increasing VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still notice >>> things are going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or even >>> determine how big it is? I'm using 1G of real memory. >>> -- >>> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >>> >>> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> >> >> Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your >> problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS to >> manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave it this >> way. >> >> Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest >> downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals to >> identify what it is... >> >> Ed Metcalfe. >> > >
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:i7lCi.1087$FO2.1015@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... > Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually > ends up causing problems. Have you ever actually used either of these utilities? I'm struggling to think of any problems that using them could cause and also any good reason for you to assume they are garbage. Granted Task Manager will allow you to identify which process is eating CPU cycles and RAM but the two utilities I recommended will also provide a lot more information on what the process is, what it is doing, which vendor the process is from, what the parent/child processes are... A lot more information is available here: http://www.microsoft.com/emea/itsshowtime/result_search.aspx?speaker=8&x=38&y=6 Ed Metcalfe.
Guest John John Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing Yet more proof of your complete and utter ignorance. The Sysinternal tools suggested by Ed do much more than the Task Manager and most Windows technicians have these tools in their basic toolkit. John Unknown wrote: > Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually ends > up causing problems. > "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message > news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > >>Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same info? >> >>"Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>news:OLy6IrN7HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> >>>"W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message >>>news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>> >>>>About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes had >>>>20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed typing >>>>was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about >>>>increasing VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still notice >>>>things are going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or even >>>>determine how big it is? I'm using 1G of real memory. >>>>-- >>>> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >>>> >>>> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> >>> >>>Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your >>>problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS to >>>manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave it this >>>way. >>> >>>Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest >>>downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals to >>>identify what it is... >>> >>>Ed Metcalfe. >>> >> >> > >
Guest W. Watson Posted September 1, 2007 Posted September 1, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing For the moment, I'll use task manager. Things seem OK now. Maybe it's a DSL slow down, but I have period where typing a message of 10 letters produces nothing on the screen for 10 or more seconds. It goes like that for many minutes. Nothing seems real responsive. I don't know what would effect keystrokes. Anyway, I'll just keep TM open while I'm working and see what's going on. The big tie at the moment is between Replay Radio (listening to radio on the internet) and idle. SeaMonkey/Mozilla is the largest task running, 610M. 3 taks between 50M and 20M. All others are less than 2M--probably about 20 of them Performance is oscillating between 40 and 60%. PF usage is about 1.09G. Steady. John John wrote: > Yet more proof of your complete and utter ignorance. The Sysinternal > tools suggested by Ed do much more than the Task Manager and most > Windows technicians have these tools in their basic toolkit. > > John > > Unknown wrote: > >> Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually >> ends up causing problems. >> "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message >> news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> >>> Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same >>> info? >>> >>> "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:OLy6IrN7HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message >>>> news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>>> >>>>> About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and >>>>> sometimes had 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I >>>>> even noticed typing was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got >>>>> a message about increasing VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few >>>>> days now still notice things are going slowly. How do I reduce the >>>>> size of VM or even determine how big it is? I'm using 1G of real >>>>> memory. >>>>> -- >>>>> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >>>>> >>>>> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> >>>> >>>> Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your >>>> problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS >>>> to manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave >>>> it this way. >>>> >>>> Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest >>>> downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals >>>> to identify what it is... >>>> >>>> Ed Metcalfe. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Guest Jim Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message news:oumCi.960$4J3.206@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... > For the moment, I'll use task manager. Things seem OK now. Maybe it's a > DSL slow down, but I have period where typing a message of 10 letters > produces nothing on the screen for 10 or more seconds. It goes like that > for many minutes. Nothing seems real responsive. I don't know what would > effect keystrokes. Anyway, I'll just keep TM open while I'm working and > see what's going on. The big tie at the moment is between Replay Radio > (listening to radio on the internet) and idle. SeaMonkey/Mozilla is the > largest task running, 610M. 3 taks between 50M and 20M. All others are > less than 2M--probably about 20 of them Performance is oscillating between > 40 and 60%. PF usage is about 1.09G. Steady. > > John John wrote: >> Yet more proof of your complete and utter ignorance. The Sysinternal >> tools suggested by Ed do much more than the Task Manager and most Windows >> technicians have these tools in their basic toolkit. >> >> John >> >> Unknown wrote: >> >>> Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually >>> ends up causing problems. >>> "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message >>> news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> >>>> Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same >>>> info? >>>> >>>> "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:OLy6IrN7HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>>> "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>>>> >>>>>> About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes >>>>>> had 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed >>>>>> typing was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about >>>>>> increasing VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still >>>>>> notice things are going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or >>>>>> even determine how big it is? I'm using 1G of real memory. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >>>>>> >>>>>> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> >>>>> >>>>> Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your >>>>> problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS to >>>>> manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave it >>>>> this way. >>>>> >>>>> Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest >>>>> downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals to >>>>> identify what it is... >>>>> >>>>> Ed Metcalfe. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > -- > Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) > > Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> The most likely cause is too many processes that want execution time. Also, too many processes consume excessive amounts of RAM for their page tables. My guess is that you need a multi-processor system if you expect good perfomance while having 20 instances of IE open. And, it would not hurt to get a faster connection to the internet. Jim
Guest Kayman Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:i7lCi.1087$FO2.1015@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... > Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually > ends up causing problems. > "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message > news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same >> info? Your ignorance is breathtaking! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx
Guest W. Watson Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing It's quite possible I do need a new CPU, but I'll wait into winter to worry about that. I just went through the throws of upgrading another PC to dual core, and other recent technology. DSL could be the culprit if I hit activity here at a peak period. I use SeaMonkey, and not IE. :-) Jim wrote: > "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message > news:oumCi.960$4J3.206@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net... >> For the moment, I'll use task manager. Things seem OK now. Maybe it's a >> DSL slow down, but I have period where typing a message of 10 letters >> produces nothing on the screen for 10 or more seconds. It goes like that >> for many minutes. Nothing seems real responsive. I don't know what would >> effect keystrokes. Anyway, I'll just keep TM open while I'm working and >> see what's going on. The big tie at the moment is between Replay Radio >> (listening to radio on the internet) and idle. SeaMonkey/Mozilla is the >> largest task running, 610M. 3 taks between 50M and 20M. All others are >> less than 2M--probably about 20 of them Performance is oscillating between >> 40 and 60%. PF usage is about 1.09G. Steady. >> >> John John wrote: >>> Yet more proof of your complete and utter ignorance. The Sysinternal >>> tools suggested by Ed do much more than the Task Manager and most Windows >>> technicians have these tools in their basic toolkit. >>> >>> John >>> >>> Unknown wrote: >>> >>>> Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually >>>> ends up causing problems. >>>> "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message >>>> news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>>> >>>>> Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same >>>>> info? >>>>> >>>>> "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:OLy6IrN7HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >>>>> >>>>>> "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... >>>>>> >>>>>>> About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes >>>>>>> had 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed >>>>>>> typing was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about >>>>>>> increasing VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still >>>>>>> notice things are going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or >>>>>>> even determine how big it is? I'm using 1G of real memory. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> >>>>>> Too much VM (or too big a pagefile, to be more precise) is not your >>>>>> problem. Your Windows VM settings are currently set to allow the OS to >>>>>> manage the pagefile size and I strongly recommend that you leave it >>>>>> this way. >>>>>> >>>>>> Something else is eating up your CPU cycles or RAM. Id' suggest >>>>>> downloading Process Explorer and Process Monitor from Sysinternals to >>>>>> identify what it is... >>>>>> >>>>>> Ed Metcalfe. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> -- >> Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) >> >> Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net> > The most likely cause is too many processes that want execution time. Also, > too many processes consume excessive amounts of RAM for their page tables. > My guess is that you need a multi-processor system if you expect good > perfomance while having 20 instances of IE open. And, it would not hurt to > get a faster connection to the internet. > > Jim > > -- Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Guest Unknown Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing MY ignorance? What a joke. You three are the ones downloading all the junk on the 'net. I keep my computer clean and have no problems. "Kayman" <kayhkay~nospam~@gmail.com> wrote in message news:eVt2SyP7HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:i7lCi.1087$FO2.1015@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net... >> Very good common sense question. And downloading other garbage usually >> ends up causing problems. >> "someone" <someone@somewhere.com> wrote in message >> news:eAYYHvN7HHA.1900@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> Why would anyone download something when Task Manager gives the same >>> info? > > Your ignorance is breathtaking! > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/sysinternals/default.mspx
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message news:SbCCi.23693$eY.18496@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... > MY ignorance? What a joke. You three are the ones downloading all the > junk on the 'net. I keep my computer clean and have no problems. I can only assume have a troll here. Ed Metcalfe.
Guest Paul Randall Posted September 2, 2007 Posted September 2, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing I'm running WXP SP2 IE6 with few or no updates on a 1.7 GHz Celeron with 1 GB RAM. I recently posted a request for help figuring out how I could get more windows open without the system becoming unstable. Got no replies on how to open more windows. I can run with 40 windows open (a mix of 20-30 windows explorer, 5-10 IE, 2-3 Firefox, some notepads, some vbscript editors, hex editor, etc., with no slowdown. At around 45 windows, I might not be able to open another window. Right now I have 40 windows open, CPU usage is around 10-15%, PF usage is 1 GB, and I have 438KB of available physical memory. Anyhow, now you have something to compare to. My keyboard occasionally (for a period of an hour, seldom more than once per day, somtimes once per week) becomes unresponsive. Have to hit a key many times for it to 'take'. I have a M$ wireless keyboard/mouse combo; I can usually fix the problem by pressing the resync buttons on the wireless receiver and keyboard. I might have to do this four times within an hour, then the problem is gone for a day or more. I suspect interference with someone's illegally overpowered short wave radio, but that is just a wild guess. Since I live alone, I know there is noone running a microwave or anything else in the house that might interfer. Good luck with your problem. -Paul Randall "W. Watson" <wolf_tracks@invalid.com> wrote in message news:zjkCi.4657$JD.800@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net... > About two weeks ago, I was on my PC for day after day, and sometimes had > 20 windows up. Things were getting a little slow. I even noticed typing > was lagging some seconds. At some point, I got a message about increasing > VM. I finally rebooted, but after a few days now still notice things are > going slowly. How do I reduce the size of VM or even determine how big it > is? I'm using 1G of real memory. > -- > Wayne Watson (Nevada City, CA) > > Web Page: <speckledwithStars.net>
Guest Kayman Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uB%23Lmqa7HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:SbCCi.23693$eY.18496@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... >> MY ignorance? What a joke. You three are the ones downloading all the >> junk on the 'net. I keep my computer clean and have no problems. > > I can only assume have a troll here. > Agree, a dumb troll :)
Guest Unknown Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing You know what happens when you assume. "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uB%23Lmqa7HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > > "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:SbCCi.23693$eY.18496@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... >> MY ignorance? What a joke. You three are the ones downloading all the >> junk on the 'net. I keep my computer clean and have no problems. > > I can only assume have a troll here. > > Ed Metcalfe. >
Guest Unknown Posted September 3, 2007 Posted September 3, 2007 Re: Virtual Memory (VM)Too Big? -- Slow Down in Processing Copy cat? "Kayman" <kayhkay~nospam~@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e6USj$b7HHA.2752@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:uB%23Lmqa7HHA.3940@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> >> "Unknown" <unknown@unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:SbCCi.23693$eY.18496@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net... >>> MY ignorance? What a joke. You three are the ones downloading all the >>> junk on the 'net. I keep my computer clean and have no problems. >> >> I can only assume have a troll here. >> > Agree, a dumb troll :)
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