Guest Big Al Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 I have Administrator Rights to our home computer, but recently I noticed that I could notice access my sons folder. I tried to open the folder and and it basically said access denied. All of the users on my computer are have "Limited Access" and have no administrative rights. How is this folder being locked and why can' t the Administrator obtain access to the folder?
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! Big Al wrote: > I have Administrator Rights to our home computer, but recently I > noticed that I could notice access my sons folder. I tried to open > the folder and and it basically said access denied. All of the > users on my computer are have "Limited Access" and have no > administrative rights. How is this folder being locked and why > can' t the Administrator obtain access to the folder? Just because you have administrative rights does not automatically mean 'all doors and secrets will be revealed to you without effort on your part'... ;-) Any user on any system can change the file/folder permissions in such a way that other users - including administrators - do not have access to them. However - *as* the system administrator you *can* take ownership of said files/folders at your whim. This does EXACTLY what it says it does - TAKES ownership from whomever had it before and grants it to your account - meaning unless you give rights back to the other user - it may be noticed they no longer can do things they could do before with their files/folders. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest kimiraikkonen Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! On Sep 6, 4:42 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote: > Big Al wrote: > > I have Administrator Rights to our home computer, but recently I > > noticed that I could notice access my sons folder. I tried to open > > the folder and and it basically said access denied. All of the > > users on my computer are have "Limited Access" and have no > > administrative rights. How is this folder being locked and why > > can' t the Administrator obtain access to the folder? > > Just because you have administrative rights does not automatically mean 'all > doors and secrets will be revealed to you without effort on your part'... > ;-) > > Any user on any system can change the file/folder permissions in such a way > that other users - including administrators - do not have access to them. > However - *as* the system administrator you *can* take ownership of said > files/folders at your whim. This does EXACTLY what it says it does - TAKES > ownership from whomever had it before and grants it to your account - > meaning unless you give rights back to the other user - it may be noticed > they no longer can do things they could do before with their files/folders. > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I'm admin of my XP pro but under recovery console(bootable XP CD) whenever i remove or copy files it says "access denied". WHY?
Guest SBS Rocker Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! Because your son is smarter than you and modified the NTFS folder permissions. Most likely removed you and the administrator account from accessing. "Big Al" <Big Al@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:0F0D205D-440C-44D9-A656-0203A8615210@microsoft.com... >I have Administrator Rights to our home computer, but recently I noticed >that > I could notice access my sons folder. I tried to open the folder and and > it > basically said access denied. All of the users on my computer are have > "Limited Access" and have no administrative rights. How is this folder > being > locked and why can' t the Administrator obtain access to the folder?
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! kimiraikkonen wrote: > I'm admin of my XP pro but under recovery console(bootable XP CD) > whenever i remove or copy files it says "access denied". WHY? Because those files/folders are ones that the administrator *may not* have access to. How to Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421 Read *carefully* - do not just skim the page and start following steps. There is important information there dependent on the version of Windows XP -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest kimiraikkonen Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! On Sep 6, 9:23 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote: > kimiraikkonen wrote: > > I'm admin of my XP pro but under recovery console(bootable XP CD) > > whenever i remove or copy files it says "access denied". WHY? > > Because those files/folders are ones that the administrator *may not* have > access to. > > How to Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XPhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421 > > Read *carefully* - do not just skim the page and start following steps. > There is important information there dependent on the version of Windows XP > > -- > Shenan Stanley > MS-MVP > -- > How To Ask Questions The Smart Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html I've read carefully, i'm admin totally but there's no "security" tab under properties of folder. WhY?
Guest SBS Rocker Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! No security tab? Then it must not be an NTFS partition. "kimiraikkonen" <kimiraikkonen85@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1189108391.806920.85460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > On Sep 6, 9:23 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote: >> kimiraikkonen wrote: >> > I'm admin of my XP pro but under recovery console(bootable XP CD) >> > whenever i remove or copy files it says "access denied". WHY? >> >> Because those files/folders are ones that the administrator *may not* >> have >> access to. >> >> How to Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows >> XPhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421 >> >> Read *carefully* - do not just skim the page and start following steps. >> There is important information there dependent on the version of Windows >> XP >> >> -- >> Shenan Stanley >> MS-MVP >> -- >> How To Ask Questions The Smart >> Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > I've read carefully, i'm admin totally but there's no "security" tab > under properties of folder. WhY? >
Guest kimiraikkonen Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! On Sep 6, 11:19 pm, "SBS Rocker" <nore...@NoDomain.com> wrote: > No security tab? Then it must not be an NTFS partition. > > "kimiraikkonen" <kimiraikkone...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:1189108391.806920.85460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > > > > > On Sep 6, 9:23 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> kimiraikkonen wrote: > >> > I'm admin of my XP pro but under recovery console(bootable XP CD) > >> > whenever i remove or copy files it says "access denied". WHY? > > >> Because those files/folders are ones that the administrator *may not* > >> have > >> access to. > > >> How to Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows > >> XPhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421 > > >> Read *carefully* - do not just skim the page and start following steps. > >> There is important information there dependent on the version of Windows > >> XP > > >> -- > >> Shenan Stanley > >> MS-MVP > >> -- > >> How To Ask Questions The Smart > >> Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > I've read carefully, i'm admin totally but there's no "security" tab > > under properties of folder. WhY?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Yes. NTFS. how is it differs? PS: I haven't got son.
Guest kimiraikkonen Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! On Sep 6, 11:30 pm, kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkone...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sep 6, 11:19 pm, "SBS Rocker" <nore...@NoDomain.com> wrote: > > > > > > > No security tab? Then it must not be an NTFS partition. > > > "kimiraikkonen" <kimiraikkone...@gmail.com> wrote in message > > >news:1189108391.806920.85460@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com... > > > > On Sep 6, 9:23 pm, "Shenan Stanley" <newshel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> kimiraikkonen wrote: > > >> > I'm admin of my XP pro but under recovery console(bootable XP CD) > > >> > whenever i remove or copy files it says "access denied". WHY? > > > >> Because those files/folders are ones that the administrator *may not* > > >> have > > >> access to. > > > >> How to Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows > > >> XPhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/308421 > > > >> Read *carefully* - do not just skim the page and start following steps. > > >> There is important information there dependent on the version of Windows > > >> XP > > > >> -- > > >> Shenan Stanley > > >> MS-MVP > > >> -- > > >> How To Ask Questions The Smart > > >> Wayhttp://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html > > > > I've read carefully, i'm admin totally but there's no "security" tab > > > under properties of folder. WhY?- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Yes. NTFS. how is it differs? PS: I haven't got son.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - My personal D: partition is NTFS and has no "security" tab. Only has "general", "sharing", "customize". Under recovery console i enter admin password, i enter prompt with no problem. The problem starts from now on. For example if i prompt "del something" ("someting" refers to a kind of folder") i get "access denied". But while under normal XP operating with Windows explorer there is no problem about accessing.
Guest jorgen Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! kimiraikkonen wrote: > My personal D: partition is NTFS and has no "security" tab. Only has > "general", "sharing", "customize". Under recovery console i enter > admin password, i enter prompt with no problem. The problem starts > from now on. For example if i prompt "del something" ("someting" > refers to a kind of folder") i get "access denied". But while under > normal XP operating with Windows explorer there is no problem about > accessing. Try this: http://www.petri.co.il/recovery_console_access_to_other_partitions.htm About the missing security tab. This is only visible when simple file sharing is disabled (xp pro). Xp home users needs to boot into safe mode
Guest kimiraikkonen Posted September 6, 2007 Posted September 6, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! On Sep 6, 11:58 pm, jorgen <na@invalid> wrote: > kimiraikkonen wrote: > > My personal D: partition is NTFS and has no "security" tab. Only has > > "general", "sharing", "customize". Under recovery console i enter > > admin password, i enter prompt with no problem. The problem starts > > from now on. For example if i prompt "del something" ("someting" > > refers to a kind of folder") i get "access denied". But while under > > normal XP operating with Windows explorer there is no problem about > > accessing. > > Try this:http://www.petri.co.il/recovery_console_access_to_other_partitions.htm > > About the missing security tab. This is only visible when simple file > sharing is disabled (xp pro). Xp home users needs to boot into safe mode jorgen, You're great! Thanks for the tip :)
Guest Bruce Chambers Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! Big Al wrote: > I have Administrator Rights to our home computer, but recently I noticed that > I could notice access my sons folder. I tried to open the folder and and it > basically said access denied. All of the users on my computer are have > "Limited Access" and have no administrative rights. How is this folder being > locked and why can' t the Administrator obtain access to the folder? Because, as a sort of "Check and Balance," even an administrator cannot access another user's private files without first taking ownership of those files and granting himself access. This naturally locks out the original user, alerting him that someone has accessed his private files. -- Bruce Chambers Help us help you: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell
Guest Nightowl Posted September 7, 2007 Posted September 7, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkonen85@gmail.com> wrote on Thu, 6 Sep 2007: >My personal D: partition is NTFS and has no "security" tab. Only has >"general", "sharing", "customize". Under recovery console i enter >admin password, i enter prompt with no problem. The problem starts >from now on. For example if i prompt "del something" ("someting" >refers to a kind of folder") i get "access denied". But while under >normal XP operating with Windows explorer there is no problem about >accessing. Hi kimiraikkonen It's because the Recovery Console will only let you access the root folder (C:\ probably), the folder Windows is in (probably C:\Windows) and its sub-folders, the Cmdcons folder and removable media drives. I'm puzzled as to why you'd want to use it to delete files? -- Nightowl
Guest kimiraikkonen Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! On Sep 8, 2:47 am, Nightowl <owl@[127.0.0.1]> wrote: > kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkone...@gmail.com> wrote on Thu, 6 Sep 2007: > > >My personal D: partition is NTFS and has no "security" tab. Only has > >"general", "sharing", "customize". Under recovery console i enter > >admin password, i enter prompt with no problem. The problem starts > >from now on. For example if i prompt "del something" ("someting" > >refers to a kind of folder") i get "access denied". But while under > >normal XP operating with Windows explorer there is no problem about > >accessing. > > Hi kimiraikkonen > > It's because the Recovery Console will only let you access the root > folder (C:\ probably), the folder Windows is in (probably C:\Windows) > and its sub-folders, the Cmdcons folder and removable media drives. > > I'm puzzled as to why you'd want to use it to delete files? > > -- > Nightowl H Nightow, Thanks it's good to be confirmed as i've seen what you said in an MS article. The reason i want to delete my personal files is to open some space or delete some junky files what i cannot delete under Windows due to file sharing or interfering like that.
Guest Nightowl Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: Access to folder denied!! Hello again I think it'd be much easier to try to delete them from a Command window. If you get an error message that access is denied or the file is in use, try this way: Open a Command window. Open Task Manager. In its Processes tab, highlight explorer.exe and click on End Process. Your desktop and taskbar will disappear. *Leave Task Manager open* while you return to the Command window. Now delete the files and folders you want to remove. When you've finished, go back to Task Manager. Click on the Applications tab and then the New Task button and in the box that pops up type explorer.exe and click OK. Hope this helps. If it doesn't work, please let us know, as there are a few other tricks to try on files that won't delete. kimiraikkonen <kimiraikkonen85@gmail.com> wrote on Sat, 8 Sep 2007: >Thanks it's good to be confirmed as i've seen what you said in an MS >article. The reason i want to delete my personal files is to open some >space or delete some junky files what i cannot delete under Windows >due to file sharing or interfering like that. > -- Nightowl
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