Size of hard disk question

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message news:op.tyb13lpukpmw55@naaikamer...

On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:49:19 +0200, Brian A. <gonefish'n@afarawaylake>

wrote:

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>

> The Fdisk.exe utility may not be able to create a hard disk partition that is

> larger than 128 GB

> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;327202

 

Wow, that's a dangerous one! It tells you how to create a partition

bigger than 128GiB,

without warning that W98 will screw it.

 

I don't see where it tells anyone how to create a partition larger than 128GB. It

states that Fdisk relies on the system BIOS and is limited to what the BIOS reports

the disk size as, if the BIOS doesn't support LBA48 it will only report a 128+GB disk

at 128GB. It does also state that updating the BIOS will resolve the issue, if the

BIOS can be updated, which I read as resolving the reporting issue.

No matter, I have always used a PCI controller card in 98 when adding larger drives

than 120GB and I have never partitioned/formatted any in 98 to their full capacity.

 

 

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[Guest Curt Christianson]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed today, and is feeling *itchy.

Apparently, in that kind of mood, it's OK, or should I say "justified" to

act like an *sshole.

 

Q: Did *you* decide to act like an *sshole before you came here today, or

did you decide early on that everybody would feel your wrath today?? Maybe

you were just too "lazy" to try to act respectful when you came to the

group.

 

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[Guest Lil' Dave]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

"Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message

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> Adrian wrote:

>

>>

>> "Ingeborg" <a@b.invalid> wrote in message

>> news:op.tyb13lpukpmw55@naaikamer...

>> On Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:49:19 +0200, Brian A. <gonefish'n@afarawaylake>

>> wrote:

>> <snipped>

>>

>> Three ways to solve this:

>> 1) Use a PCI-IDE card using it's own BIOS and W98 drivers.

>> 2) Use an USB 2 card (make sure that W98SE drivers are available) and

>> use an external closure. (make sure ... drivers)

>> Downside is that unless you're using 2.5" drives which can be powered

>> from the USB, the disks will not be switched off with the computer,

>> and so use more electricity.

>> 3) Use a SCSI card with SCSI disks. Downside are the costs of the SCSI

>> disks.

>>

>> -----

>> Ingeborg, this discussion has left me confused.

>>

>> At a computer parts shop I was told that, because of processor

>> limitations,

>> (1.) in no way will W98 support > 40 Gig HDDs.

>

> That's bull****. Out off the box W98SE can handle *IDE* drives up to 128

> GiB, and SCSI and USB drives have AFAIK a limit of 2 TiB.

>

>> (2.) a HDD via the USB port isn't feasible.

>

> Depends on what you want to do with it. You can't boot W98 from an USB

> disk. But as long as you boot from an internal disk you can use an

> external disk for data storage. That will be slower, and consume more

> processor time, but since this computer has nothing to but fileserving,

> and the network is the bottleneck, this shouldn't be a problem. (As long

> as you've got USB2. The standard USB1.1 on your mobo *will* be the

> bottleneck. USB1.1 does 11 Mbit, your network 100 Mbit, and USB2 480

> Mbit.

>

>> (1.) You seem to suggest that a PCI-IDE card could overcome the mobo

>> limitations.

>

> Yes. I discussed that somewhere else in this thread.

>

>> If so, how would I obtain the required W98 drivers?

>

> They should be provided with the card. If not, first have a look on the

> vendors website. If the vendor doesn't provide it, you'll have to look

> for another one.

>

>> (2.) Should the USB option be feasible, the power issue makes it

>> unattractive.

>

> I agree.

>

>> Given that I am finding myself in uncharted waters, would you please

>> formulate a conclusion to the excellent posts that have been done re

>> my question, because I am quite lost

>

> See my post to dadiOH in this thread. A PCI IDE card should overcome all

> your problems.

>

>> (apart from having made one person "sick and tired").

>

> 98 guy has forgotten that the problem is old for him, but new to anybody

> who stumbles over it. And that it's difficult to search for a solution

> when you don't know what the problem could be.

 

There is one issue with a USB enclosure regarding drive capacity, and that's

the bios/firmware involved with the interface chip in the enclosure. Many

early ones were 128GB limit. Many sold today don't divulge the HD

recognition capacity limit. My recommendation is to get one that does and

get a hard drive that conforms with that limit. Have read many complaints

about all 3 one touch models (enclosure and hard drive combo). Am using a

Startech USB/firewire enclosure (500GB HD capacity recognition per specs).

Dave

[Guest Adrian]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

 

"who where" <not@bigpond.net> wrote in message

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> If you had done the latter, with the search keywords he suggested, you

> would

> have found an enormous amount of traffic on the very question you asked.

> As

> some have pointed out, the veracity of those posts is never assured -

> after all

> this IS usenet - but it would have revealed that the subject has been

> canvassed

> to death many times even within the last twelve months.

 

You point out:

 

(1.) an enormous amount of traffic

(2.) the veracity of those posts is never assured

 

The contributors to the this forum, with their knowledge and experience are

capable of extracting what is relevant and presenting that information

concisely, thus protecting an individual against (2.) and stopping him or

her from getting totally lost because of (1.) As to the response of 98 guy

to my post, I would like to differentiate between "form" and "content". I

have never doubted his expertise (content). My recent post had to do with

"form".

 

Adrian.

[Guest 98 Guy]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

Adrian wrote:

> Gauging by the number of responses and the quality of the

> discussion you can see that it my question wasn't stupid

> and /or misdirected.

 

The question you asked is no different than at least a dozen that have

been posed during the past year. The number of parameters to it's

answer is relatively small, and each have been covered in previous

threads.

> had I followed your advice and gone there in the first place.

> I must say that I am happy not to have done so, because I would

> have found myself in an informational quagmire.

 

You have received information that is no different than others have

gotten in the past. Your attempts to portray your experience here as

being different than what has been posted in the past will not work

with me. It's sad that you are responding in this way to defend your

original decision to not perform a simple search first.

> it is quite legitimate to have a personal point of view, but it is

> not ok to be out of tune with reality and to measure out bad

> language and bad behavior to all and sundry who have not merited

> such treatment.

 

You are hardly in a position to judge me. I have pointed out the

flaws in your judgement and the errors in your reasoning.

> you should get some professional help.

 

Your ignorance is exceeded only by your ego.

[Guest Adrian]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:46E42688.4B085E9A@Guy.com...

> Your ignorance is exceeded only by your ego.

 

Good, my ego is quite small.

 

Adrian.

[Guest who where]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 10:43:23 +0200, "Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote:

>

>"who where" <not@bigpond.net> wrote in message

>news:8f97e3hgfqhcfq4hbvu8fdmdjf955ig1jt@4ax.com...

><snipped>

>

>> If you had done the latter, with the search keywords he suggested, you

>> would

>> have found an enormous amount of traffic on the very question you asked.

>> As

>> some have pointed out, the veracity of those posts is never assured -

>> after all

>> this IS usenet - but it would have revealed that the subject has been

>> canvassed

>> to death many times even within the last twelve months.

>

>You point out:

>

>(1.) an enormous amount of traffic

>(2.) the veracity of those posts is never assured

>

>The contributors to the this forum, with their knowledge and experience are

>capable of extracting what is relevant and presenting that information

>concisely, thus protecting an individual against (2.) and stopping him or

>her from getting totally lost because of (1.)

 

You have again (and I now suspect deliberately) missed the point of MY post. It

is EXACTLY the posts in *this_forum* which you would find via Google GROUPS.

Same authors, same level of veracity, same traffic. Clearly you haven't - and

have decided not to - explore that which is an archive of posts in this forum.

>As to the response of 98 guy

>to my post, I would like to differentiate between "form" and "content". I

>have never doubted his expertise (content). My recent post had to do with

>"form".

[Guest Adrian]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

 

"who where" <not@bigpond.net> wrote in message

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Forums are interesting places psychologically. There are participants that

contribute in a serious way, and those that evaluate the validity of

questions raised, and of the discussion taking place. Fortunately the

talk-about-talk group is a minority.

[Guest Adrian]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

I would like to thank all for your contribution. The second hard disk is up

and running, and I am very pleased. Guys, you were great!

 

Regards,

Adrian.

[Guest Curt Christianson]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

Way to go Adrian!

 

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"Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message

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|I would like to thank all for your contribution. The second hard disk is up

| and running, and I am very pleased. Guys, you were great!

|

| Regards,

| Adrian.

|

|

[Guest BeBopaLula]

Re: Size of hard disk question

 

Don't know the Limit, but just finished installing a WD 500GB P-ATA as a

second Hard-Drive with XP Pro / FAT 32 / 4 Kb Clusters) as the OS on Active

1. Remaining 7 volumes are sized ~ 62 GB with 8 KB clusters.

 

This 500 GB HD-D resides in a Dell Optiplex GX240 along with a 40 GB Hard

Drive (W98se FAT32 as the OS) and seems to be working fine.

Dual Booting, using Boot-US.

 

You'd probably need to update the Native W98se tools to be successful,

*depending on what you'd consider a large hard drive*.

 

I used Intel's Application Accelerator and Western Digital's Data Lifeguard

Tools - version 11.2 - for DOS (floppy) and they did all the work. Used

various checking tools to see if Mobo, Chipset and BIOS would support

(48bit-LBA compatible) the large drive without need for a supplementary PCI

IDE Host Controller card. The tools 'confirmed' that my system was a "go"

for the job at hand.

 

Needed to use the DOS-Floppy version 11.2 WDLG Tool as the Windows version

of the Western Digital Data Lifeguard Tool could not do the job properly. It

balked that my system was *not* 48bit-LBA compatible and would not support

HD-D's > 137 GB. I guess the Windows verion needs to have a "chat" with the

DOS version.

 

If you are using a different brand of large Hard-Drive

(Seagate/Hitachi/Maxxtor/ etc), you'll probably need to investigate whatever

tools they might offer to configure their make of Hard Disk. Not sure if

these tools work across different "company boundaries".

 

Good luck.

 

 

"Adrian" <xx@xx.xx> wrote in message

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> Are there any limits to the size of the hard disk I can run on a W98SE

box?

> When formatting a hard disk, can I simply use the format utility provided

by

> W98, or do I have to do special things to do with FAT etc.

>

> Thank you,

> Adrian.

>

>