Guest RJK Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- 2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 Installed ZA, and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, ...and whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html menus in the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | Shields Up and it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other service ports were not stealthed. Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, as if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it back up to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test whilst yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and eventually got a "Perfect" result. So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone Security settings !! Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons "Shields Up." I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security settings, and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! regards, Richard
Guest PA Bear Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? <VBEG> Now pull the other one, Richard. RJK wrote: > Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- > 2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd > http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 > Installed ZA, and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, ...and > whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html menus in > the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | Shields Up > and > it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other service ports were > not > stealthed. > > Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, as > if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it back > up > to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test whilst > yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and eventually > got > a "Perfect" result. > > So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone > Security settings !! > > Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons > "Shields > Up." > > I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security > settings, > and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! > > regards, Richard
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OgK9lvm8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... <snip> > So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone > Security settings !! > > I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security > settings, and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! > > regards, Richard <snip> Richard, grc.com doesn't use any client-side scripting at all so Steve is *definitely* not changing any IE settings. Ed Metcalfe.
Guest Straight Talk Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:59:19 +0100, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote: >Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- >2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd >http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 >Installed ZA, You installed ZA on his machine? I thought you said he was your friend? >and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, ...and >whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html menus in >the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | Shields Up and >it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other service ports were not >stealthed. >Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, as >if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it back up >to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test whilst >yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and eventually got >a "Perfect" result. What makes you believe that what "Shields Up" reports has anything to do with your browsers security settings? >So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone >Security settings !! Not very likely. It obviously also didn't occur to you that if you could set IE's security settings to high and some random web page was able to change that, then first of all IE would have a serious problem. >Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons "Shields >Up." > >I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security settings, >and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to mangle with a friends system when you have no clue about what you are doing.
Guest RJK Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? Oh ! ...well all I can say is "you try it then." After I got home, and just before I posted, I tried it on my PC at home and got the same effect ! Start with IE7 Internet Zone slider set to High | go to grc.com Shields up | and check Common ports. AND each step of the way check to see if IE7 Internet Zone slider is still there !! I think it happens when URL changes from http to https regards, Richard "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:e5Zycym8HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > <VBEG> Now pull the other one, Richard. > > RJK wrote: >> Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- >> 2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd >> http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 >> Installed ZA, and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, >> ...and >> whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html menus in >> the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | Shields Up >> and >> it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other service ports were >> not >> stealthed. >> >> Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, >> as >> if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it back >> up >> to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test whilst >> yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and eventually >> got >> a "Perfect" result. >> >> So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone >> Security settings !! >> >> Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons >> "Shields >> Up." >> >> I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security >> settings, >> and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! >> >> regards, Richard >
Guest RJK Posted September 8, 2007 Posted September 8, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? Oh ! ...well all I can say is "you try it then." After I got home, and just before I posted, I tried it on my PC at home and got the same effect ! Start with IE7 Internet Zone slider set to High | go to grc.com Shields up | and check Common ports. AND each step of the way check to see if IE7 Internet Zone slider is still there !! I think it happens when URL changes from http to https regards, Richard "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23KQ4C6m8HHA.5504@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OgK9lvm8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > <snip> >> So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone >> Security settings !! >> >> I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security >> settings, and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! >> >> regards, Richard > <snip> > > Richard, > > grc.com doesn't use any client-side scripting at all so Steve is > *definitely* not changing any IE settings. > > Ed Metcalfe. >
Guest RJK Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? "Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:tsb6e31k3pnpcg51gkau7ncccf4i3ac9b5@4ax.com... > On Sat, 8 Sep 2007 23:59:19 +0100, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >>Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- >>2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd >>http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 > >>Installed ZA, > > You installed ZA on his machine? I thought you said he was your > friend? ....that's a good start, INSTANT indication that you don't know what you're talking about ! ....I thought I'd start with that seeing as that's what you say at the end of your silly comments. ....Why bother to respond if you haven't got anything sensible or constructive to say ! > >>and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, ...and >>whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html menus in >>the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | Shields Up >>and >>it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other service ports were >>not >>stealthed. > >>Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, as >>if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it back >>up >>to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test whilst >>yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and eventually >>got >>a "Perfect" result. > > What makes you believe that what "Shields Up" reports has anything to > do with your browsers security settings? ....you're kidding !!! > >>So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone >>Security settings !! > > Not very likely. It obviously also didn't occur to you that if you > could set IE's security settings to high and some random web page was > able to change that, then first of all IE would have a serious > problem. > >>Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons >>"Shields >>Up." >> >>I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security >>settings, >>and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! > > I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to mangle with a friends system > when you have no clue about what you are doing. ....from your comments, it's clear that it is you who haven't a clue ! ....quite why I wasted my time here I don't know !
Guest Straight Talk Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 01:03:16 +0100, "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote: > >"Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> What makes you believe that what "Shields Up" reports has anything to >> do with your browsers security settings? > >...you're kidding !!! Please explain to me how your browser settings would influence whether SU would report open, closed or "stealthed" ports.
Guest Kayman Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OgK9lvm8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- > 2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd > http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 > Installed ZA, and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, ...and > whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html menus in > the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | Shields Up > and it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other service ports > were not stealthed. > > Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, as > if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it back > up to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test whilst > yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and eventually > got a "Perfect" result. > > So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone > Security settings !! > > Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons > "Shields Up." > > I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security > settings, and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! > http://www.google.com/search?q=steve+gibson+sucks http://www.nerdnet.com/?q=node/11 "In case you don't know what a complete f.ing moron Steve Gibson is..." http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/382?ref=rss "...Gibson has a bad track record: a history of latching onto arcane issues that he doesn't fully understand and can never prove, and converting his limited understanding into fodder for the next internet melt-down." ....don't shoot the messenger :)
Guest Straight Talk Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? On Sun, 9 Sep 2007 07:34:24 +0700, "Kayman" <kayhkay~nospam~@gmail.com> wrote: >http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/382?ref=rss >"...Gibson has a bad track record: a history of latching onto arcane issues >that he doesn't fully understand and can never prove, and converting his >limited understanding into fodder for the next internet melt-down." > >...don't shoot the messenger :) Anyway, if a web page can change security settings in an IE with it's security settings set to high, first and foremost IE has a problem. I'm sure the OP's observation is caused by something else. Could well be ZA.
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23w670Pn8HHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Oh ! ...well all I can say is "you try it then." > After I got home, and just before I posted, I tried it on my PC at home > and > got the same effect ! > > Start with IE7 Internet Zone slider set to High | go to grc.com Shields up > | > and check Common ports. > AND each step of the way check to see if IE7 Internet Zone slider is > still > there !! > I think it happens when URL changes from http to https > > regards, Richard > Yep, I get the same thing too. I also get it on Yahoo Search, Google and several others I've tried. It isn't dirty tricks from Steve Gibson. Ed Metcalfe.
Guest Ed Metcalfe Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? "Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:7sh6e3tq7e7c3dvhfhjbnda9dnlhfr1tmj@4ax.com... > Anyway, if a web page can change security settings in an IE with it's > security settings set to high, first and foremost IE has a problem. > > I'm sure the OP's observation is caused by something else. Could well > be ZA. Definitely not ZA. I've tried it and get the same results (without running ZA). Ed Metcalfe.
Guest Rob ^_^ Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? Hi All, Same here. Slider control does not appear on the Internet Zone when Level is Custom. Click the Default Level button and the Slider will re-appear. Regards. "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:udEh58n8HHA.5424@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "Straight Talk" <b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:7sh6e3tq7e7c3dvhfhjbnda9dnlhfr1tmj@4ax.com... >> Anyway, if a web page can change security settings in an IE with it's >> security settings set to high, first and foremost IE has a problem. >> >> I'm sure the OP's observation is caused by something else. Could well >> be ZA. > > Definitely not ZA. I've tried it and get the same results (without running > ZA). > > Ed Metcalfe. >
Guest RJK Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? Thanks for that. regards, Richard "Ed Metcalfe" <edmetcalfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:%23UCVa7n8HHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > > "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:%23w670Pn8HHA.3624@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Oh ! ...well all I can say is "you try it then." >> After I got home, and just before I posted, I tried it on my PC at home >> and >> got the same effect ! >> >> Start with IE7 Internet Zone slider set to High | go to grc.com Shields >> up | >> and check Common ports. >> AND each step of the way check to see if IE7 Internet Zone slider is >> still >> there !! >> I think it happens when URL changes from http to https >> >> regards, Richard >> > > Yep, I get the same thing too. I also get it on Yahoo Search, Google and > several others I've tried. It isn't dirty tricks from Steve Gibson. > > Ed Metcalfe. >
Guest RJK Posted September 9, 2007 Posted September 9, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? Thanks for the "anti" - Steve Gibson links. I've read quite a few of them across the years, they're always entertaining ! regards, Richard "Kayman" <kayhkay~nospam~@gmail.com> wrote in message news:OMNFLkn8HHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OgK9lvm8HHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... >> Just set up TalkTalk BB / SmartAX MT882 adsl modem/router for a friend:- >> 2005 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd >> http://www.huawei.com/products/terminal/products/view.do?id=121 >> Installed ZA, and set IE7's Internet security Zone slider to High, >> ...and whilst tweaking things up, and wading around the ridiculous html >> menus in the router, to check that NAT was on etc, I went to grc.com | >> Shields Up and it reported that port 80 was open, and lots of other >> service ports were not stealthed. >> >> Then I noticed that IE7's Internet security zone "slider" had vanished, >> as if Custom settings had been set, so I set Default and then yanked it >> back up to High, cleared TIF and Cookies, repeated the "Shields up" test >> whilst yanking that slider back up to High each step of the way and >> eventually got a "Perfect" result. >> >> So, it looks like Steve Gibson can change a persons IE7 Internet Zone >> Security settings !! >> >> Anyone know how to prevent this, other than not using Steve Gibsons >> "Shields Up." >> >> I think it's a bit of a dirty trick to reduce a customers security >> settings, and then report that his port stealthing is inadequate ! >> > > http://www.google.com/search?q=steve+gibson+sucks > > http://www.nerdnet.com/?q=node/11 > "In case you don't know what a complete f.ing moron Steve Gibson is..." > > http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/382?ref=rss > "...Gibson has a bad track record: a history of latching onto arcane > issues > that he doesn't fully understand and can never prove, and converting his > limited understanding into fodder for the next internet melt-down." > > ...don't shoot the messenger :)
Guest Tom [Pepper] Willett Posted September 10, 2007 Posted September 10, 2007 Re: grc.com "SheildsUp" lowers IE7 Internet zone security setting ? ....and always true ;-) "RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:u0ufTlr8HHA.4420@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | Thanks for the "anti" - Steve Gibson links. I've read quite a few of them | across the years, they're always entertaining ! | | regards, Richard | |
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