First Time Build :O

[Dalo Harkin]

£200 Cheaper - Hmmmm well if he is planning on changing some of the bits then this is easily achievable - post what he 'recommends' and lets have a laugh (I mean look :D)

[DirtyPolo]

Yeah that's what I was thinking :D

 

I should get it through tonight, for some reason he felt the need to post it to me instead of email or telling me on the phone :P

 

Haha I'll post it tonight when I get home.

 

Never know though, might actually be a good deal if he doesn't change anything too dramatic. But we'll have to wait and see ;)

[Dalo Harkin]

I cant wait :D

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Bear in mind there's no such thing as a free lunch mate :p

[DirtyPolo]

Haha yeah I know :(

 

But to give him credit, he does run a PC repair shop, but his prices are terribly high if you buy from him.

 

But apparently he's speaking to his supplier and his friend who owns a PC building shop to see what he can get for me, so it will be like the "Clash of the PC guru's" :D

God I feel like I'm about to create some huge debate about parts xD

[Dalo Harkin]

Well I am intrigued to see what these ''professionals'' come up with - get them to register so we can have a real ''discussion'' :D

 

Without trying to sound condescending - people who own computer shops VERY rarely know about the products - especially when it comes to individual components - we will see

[DirtyPolo]

Wonderful, I have the options here now... They gave me 3 options... but I've already looked at them and it's a definate NO to all 3 -.-

 

Here they are, feel free to laugh :)

 

Option 1:

Case: Midi ATX Black PC-373 400W 24pin USB2/Audio (RoHS)

CPU: Intel core 2 Duo E8500 3.16 775 1333MHz 6MB cache

Mobo: Biostar TP35D2-A7 P935 775 Quad 1333fsb 4xDDR 1GbLan/SND

GPU: Sparkle Active 8800GT 512Mb PCX DDR3

RAM: 2GB DDR2 Kingston 6400 800MHz

PSU: Colors IT 550w Silent PSU

HDD: Seagate/Maxtor 500GB Serial ATA II 32Mb 7200

CD Drive: Liteon DVDRW 20x SATA Lightscribe Black/Silver

Extras: Trust Webcam WB-1400T 352 x 288 - (No idea why they added a webcam)

17 in 1 Black Card Reader + 1xUSB(3.5")

ACE Speakers SP5001 5.1 Black

MS Windows 64bit SP1 Vista Ultimate - OEM

Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000

Total Price (inc. them building it): £640 without VAT

 

Option 2:

Case: Midi ATX Black PC-373 400W 24pin USB2/Audio (RoHS)

CPU: Intel core 2 Duo E8500 3.16 775 1333MHz 6MB cache

Mobo: Biostar TP35D2-A7 P935 775 Quad 1333fsb 4xDDR 1GbLan/SND

GPU: Sparkle Active 9600GT 1024Mb PCX DDR3 << Only difference

RAM: 2GB DDR2 Kingston 6400 800MHz

PSU: Colors IT 550w Silent PSU

HDD: Seagate/Maxtor 500GB Serial ATA II 32Mb 7200

CD Drive: Liteon DVDRW 20x SATA Lightscribe Black/Silver

Extras: Trust Webcam WB-1400T 352 x 288 - (No idea why they added a webcam)

17 in 1 Black Card Reader + 1xUSB(3.5")

ACE Speakers SP5001 5.1 Black

MS Windows 64bit SP1 Vista Ultimate - OEM

Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000

Total Price (inc. them building it): £620 without VAT

 

Option 3:

Case: Midi ATX Black PC-373 400W 24pin USB2/Audio (RoHS)

CPU: Intel core 2 Duo E8400 3.0Ghz 775 1333MHz 6MB cache << Different

Mobo: Biostar TP35D2-A7 P935 775 Quad 1333fsb 4xDDR 1GbLan/SND

GPU: Sparkle Active 8800GT 512Mb PCX DDR3

RAM: 2GB DDR2 Kingston 6400 800MHz

PSU: Colors IT 720w PSU Black PCX/Sata 20/24pin (RoHS) << Different

HDD: Seagate/Maxtor 500GB Serial ATA II 32Mb 7200

CD Drive: Liteon DVDRW 20x SATA Lightscribe Black/Silver

Extras: ACE Speakers SP5001 5.1 Black

MS Windows 32bit SP1 Vista Home Premium - OEM << Different

Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop 1000

Total Price (inc. them building it): £560 without VAT

 

 

So basically they have changed Everything that I wanted, not even the case I wanted, one of their normal, own cases... they have taken out my Quad core, swapped my Mobo, stuck in a Nvidia GPU, given me bad Kingston RAM, a PSU with a name i've never heard of, a Liteon CD Drive and the option of 64 bit Vista in two options, the only DECENT change I see is the swap from a Hitatchi 400GB HDD to a seagate 500GB one... other than that, nothing is the same at all!

 

and let me just add, and quote the email he sent;

 

"Our suppliers were quite impressed with his taste, but thought he must be rich!! One of their sales guys was going to get a bespoke machine of his own from them, so based on Matt's spec he went to one of the real techies* and between them they ditched a few bits (such as the SLI** and two DVD drives), swapped some others and came up with three "ideal solutions."

 

* what "real techies" would swap my spec for this one?

** if they had noticed, my spec had an ATI 4850 GPU, how the f**k can I have wanted SLI? LOL!

 

:)

 

anyway, gotta go out, leave your comments for me to read when I get back!

[DirtyPolo]

I've worked out that option 1 and 2 are both more epxensive than my spec... as they do not include a monitor, and when I add the vAT and £105 for the mointor they both are more expensive than mine, and the third option is £50 cheaper...

[Dalo Harkin]

The fact that all 3 PSU's listed are colours ones (budget and by that I mean like the lowest kind :eek:)

JUST based on that I didnt read the rest!

[DirtyPolo]

LOL you should for a laugh xD

 

I'm hopefully ordering mine in a few days :P

 

still struggling for a monitor though.. the one you found me has suddenly disappeared and anyother ones I found for about £105 have also gone, now i'm stuck with a 19" instead :(

 

Oh and I cant find that OCZ RAM anywhere now, the only one I can find at 1066 is OCZ SLI-ready =/ the rest are higher and my mobo only takes 1066

Edited October 18, 2008 by DirtyPolo

[DirtyPolo]

Does anyone know if this monitor has a DVI input? =/ as the specs say absolutly nothing...

stupid PC world...

 

thanks, and hopefully ordering my new Pc tonight :P

 

depending on this monitor :)

 

and should I get an OEM vista? as it is cheaper :P

 

and what about OEM HDDs? are they "safe" for me to buy, I mean as a first time builder :P

Edited November 5, 2008 by DirtyPolo

[Dalo Harkin]

After a look on the LG site it only has a D-sub

Get OEM - its fine, and cheaper

and OEM HDD's are fine - you just dont get cables or screws or an instruction manual with it!

who needs that stuff anyways :D

[DirtyPolo]

Lol okay well I've found a decent monitor, it's only 19" but you cant get a 20" for around £100 anymore xD

 

because of the increase in prices, I saw my original spec from the original places costing almost £150 more than I wanted to spend but I soon found a much better website to use alongside eBuyer, which bruought the whole cost fo my build back down and even below the original £850 price : and thats including it ALL :D

 

I've had to tone down the Motherboard to the normal Gigabyte EP35-DS3 but i've checked the specs and I believe it works just as well as the EP35C-DS3R that i was looking at originally :D

 

I'll be ordering it tonight :) after college.

 

Thanks alot Dalo for all your help :P

[Dalo Harkin]

Lol okay well I've found a decent monitor, it's only 19" but you cant get a 20" for around £100 anymore xD

 

because of the increase in prices, I saw my original spec from the original places costing almost £150 more than I wanted to spend but I soon found a much better website to use alongside eBuyer, which bruought the whole cost fo my build back down and even below the original £850 price : and thats including it ALL :D

 

I've had to tone down the Motherboard to the normal Gigabyte EP35-DS3 but i've checked the specs and I believe it works just as well as the EP35C-DS3R that i was looking at originally :D

 

I'll be ordering it tonight :) after college.

 

Thanks alot Dalo for all your help :P

 

 

Your welcome and if you have a look around some of the didgimate ones are around that price - they are a budget one, but my friend got a 22" one for about £100 and he has had no complaints (well 1 dead pixel in RED) lol

but should still be able to get one if you wanted - I have the Viewsonic VX2025 and they were £200 at the time - I had a look on google shopping and have seen them at around £130 they are slightly more BUT they are the best monitor I have ever used - other than screen size it is better than my old 30" DELL ;)

[DirtyPolo]

When I google'd Viewsonic VX2025, it came up with the cheapest at £184 :O

 

The one I currently have chosen because of my lack of choice :P is; this

 

I found a 22" ViewSonic VA2216w for £120 Here :O

 

is that worth a look at? :P

Edited November 6, 2008 by DirtyPolo

[Dalo Harkin]

I was sure that I saw some the other week :confused:

Yes that one seems fine - :D

 

Dont forget a pic!

 

That Viewsonic is only VGA output

Edited November 6, 2008 by Dalo Harkin

[DirtyPolo]

Okay, last check of my spec before I order it tonight :P

 

Main Build

Case: Cooler Master HAF 932

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600

CPU Cooling: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard OR

Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3 iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard

(Which is better? generally I'd think the one with the extra letter 'L' was but it;s cheaper than the other one? :S)

RAM: OCZ reaper (2 x 1GB) 1066MHZ PC2 8500

PSU: Hiper HPU-4M530 Type M 530W - (will this power this spec?)

GPU: ATI Radeon HD4850

 

Extras

Optical Drives: Sony DRU-190S 20X DVD±RW DL & DVD-RAM Serial ATA

HDD: 500G Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 SATAII 3Gb 32MB Cache OEM

Monitor: Asus VB191T 19 inch 5ms DVI TFT LCD Monitor Black OR 19inch Hyundai BlueH H94W Widescreen Black Multimedia 5ms HDCP DVI TFT Monitor (which is better value for money? I think the Asus)

Speakers: Logitech X-530 5.1 Speaker System - 70W RMS

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium w/Service Pack 1 (32-bit)

Anti-Static: Anti Static Wireless Wristband

 

Does all that sound good an compatible? :D and which ones should I choose for the Mobo and Monitor? :)

 

Thanks a lot, I'll order the final choice tonight :D

[Dalo Harkin]

Okay, last check of my spec before I order it tonight :P

 

Main Build

Case: Cooler Master HAF 932

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Pro Q6600

CPU Cooling: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro

Mobo: Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3L iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard OR

Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3 iP35 Socket 775 8 channel audio ATX Motherboard

(Which is better? generally I'd think the one with the extra letter 'L' was but it;s cheaper than the other one? :S)

RAM: OCZ reaper (2 x 1GB) 1066MHZ PC2 8500

PSU: Hiper HPU-4M530 Type M 530W - (will this power this spec?)

GPU: ATI Radeon HD4850

 

Extras

Optical Drives: Sony DRU-190S 20X DVD±RW DL & DVD-RAM Serial ATA

HDD: 500G Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 SATAII 3Gb 32MB Cache OEM

Monitor: Asus VB191T 19 inch 5ms DVI TFT LCD Monitor Black OR 19inch Hyundai BlueH H94W Widescreen Black Multimedia 5ms HDCP DVI TFT Monitor (which is better value for money? I think the Asus)

Speakers: Logitech X-530 5.1 Speaker System - 70W RMS

OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium w/Service Pack 1 (32-bit)

Anti-Static: Anti Static Wireless Wristband

 

Does all that sound good an compatible? :D and which ones should I choose for the Mobo and Monitor? :)

 

Thanks a lot, I'll order the final choice tonight :D

 

Im not sure about the Motherboards - i dont buy Gigabyte (check on their website that they are compatible with QUADS)

Asus Monitor seems better.

 

Other than that you are cooking on Gas :)

[DirtyPolo]

For the EP35-DS3 it says: "Supports Intel® Core™ 2 multi-core and Intel 45nm processors"

 

and for the EP35 DS3L it says: "Supports Intel® Core™ 2 multi-core and 45nm processors "

 

So I'm guessing that means they're both fine? :)

[Dalo Harkin]

Yes - just make sure that you get the 45nm Quad as they do a 65nm one too.

[DirtyPolo]

I got this from the intel site:

 

45 nm

Q9650

Q9550

Q9450

Q9400

Q9300

Q9100

Q8200

 

65 nm

Q6700

Q6600

 

Do you suggest I look at another mobo or change processors? :S

 

Can you possibly give me some examples too? as I cant find any mobos that specifically support 65nm well none that have good reviews... and to buy a 45nm processor the price is pretty higher than the Q6600

Edited November 8, 2008 by DirtyPolo

[DirtyPolo]

what I don't understand is, you have the Q6600, which is the 65nm processor, and your Asus P5K Premium Black Pearl mobo says "- Support Intel® next generation 45nm Multi-core CPU"

the same as the gigabyte ones I was looking at, does that mean that mine would also support the 6600 if yours does? :P or should I look at a lower end version fo your Asus?

[DirtyPolo]

Roar? :(

 

I need some advice on this matter :(

[Dalo Harkin]

If it says that it supports 65nm and 45nm then thats fine, my ASUS will take either, but some do not.

Check what it says on the MOBO spec - but some require a BIOS update so if you buy a 45nm capable MOBO you need a 65nm CPU to put in it first to do the update if that makes sense - look for one that is 45nm capable out of the box. not 65nm capable of 45nm :D

Oh the joys of building PC's :D

[DirtyPolo]

The problem is that my processor, the Q6600 is a 65nm processor but all the mobo spec says the same thing: "Support Intel® next generation 45nm Multi-core CPU" includingyours, sodoes that mean if it says it supports the 45nm does that mean it will support the 65nm aswell? :S

 

Because your mobo specs say "Support Intel® next generation 45nm Multi-core CPU" yet your Q6600 is 65nm :O its the same as my situatuion,

sorry for any confuson :S

 

:(

 

Nevermind, the CPU support list for the Gigabyte mobo says it supports Q6600 after BIOS version 11 :P

 

Sorry about all the confusion :D

 

So I'm guessing that its compatible therefore, I'm off to order it all tonight!!

Edited November 10, 2008 by DirtyPolo