How many CALs required?

[Guest compsosinc@gmail.com]

We have the following environment:

 

(1) SBS2000 Server as DC -- NOT SBS2003

(1) Windows 2003 Server Std Edition as a Terminal Server

 

 

We have:

 

 

(15) Users accessing the SBS2000 DC using XP Pro machines

 

 

We are adding:

 

 

(10) XP Pro newly purchased-clients (many users) accessing the

Windows

2003 Terminal Server

 

 

Question: How many and what type of CALs do we need in TOTAL to

support this

environment (assume we have none of the following):

 

SBS2000 CALs = ?

Windows Server CALs = ?

Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = ?

 

 

Thanks !

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: How many CALs required?

 

I would post this question in the sbs newsgroup. SBS licensing is

different from Windows licensing, especially the requirements in a

situation with additional servers in the domain.

 

microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

 

SBS 2003 Licensing: Frequently Asked Questions

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/li

censingfaq.mspx

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote on 13 sep 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> We have the following environment:

>

> (1) SBS2000 Server as DC -- NOT SBS2003

> (1) Windows 2003 Server Std Edition as a Terminal Server

>

>

> We have:

>

>

> (15) Users accessing the SBS2000 DC using XP Pro machines

>

>

> We are adding:

>

>

> (10) XP Pro newly purchased-clients (many users) accessing the

> Windows

> 2003 Terminal Server

>

>

> Question: How many and what type of CALs do we need in TOTAL to

> support this

> environment (assume we have none of the following):

>

> SBS2000 CALs = ?

> Windows Server CALs = ?

> Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = ?

>

>

> Thanks !

[Guest compsosinc@gmail.com]

Re: How many CALs required?

 

On Sep 13, 4:29 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

> I would post this question in the sbs newsgroup. SBS licensing is

> different from Windows licensing, especially the requirements in a

> situation with additional servers in the domain.

>

> microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

>

> SBS 2003 Licensing: Frequently Asked Questionshttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/li

> censingfaq.mspx

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> compsos...@gmail.com wrote on 13 sep 2007 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>

>

> > We have the following environment:

>

> > (1) SBS2000 Server as DC -- NOT SBS2003

> > (1) Windows 2003 Server Std Edition as a Terminal Server

>

> > We have:

>

> > (15) Users accessing the SBS2000 DC using XP Pro machines

>

> > We are adding:

>

> > (10) XP Pro newly purchased-clients (many users) accessing the

> > Windows

> > 2003 Terminal Server

>

> > Question: How many and what type of CALs do we need in TOTAL to

> > support this

> > environment (assume we have none of the following):

>

> > SBS2000 CALs = ?

> > Windows Server CALs = ?

> > Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = ?

>

> > Thanks !- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Thanks, but I tried that and the MVPs just make fun of the fact that

we still have an SBS2000 box. They were wondering if we still had a

floppy drive...so if you can shed any light on this matter it would be

appreciated.

[Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: How many CALs required?

 

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sep 13, 4:29 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

> this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

>> I would post this question in the sbs newsgroup. SBS licensing is

>> different from Windows licensing, especially the requirements in a

>> situation with additional servers in the domain.

>>

>> microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

>>

>> SBS 2003 Licensing: Frequently Asked Questionshttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/overview/li

>> censingfaq.mspx

>>

>> _________________________________________________________

>> Vera Noest

>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>>

>> compsos...@gmail.com wrote on 13 sep 2007 in

>> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>>

>>

>>

>>> We have the following environment:

>>> (1) SBS2000 Server as DC -- NOT SBS2003

>>> (1) Windows 2003 Server Std Edition as a Terminal Server

>>> We have:

>>> (15) Users accessing the SBS2000 DC using XP Pro machines

>>> We are adding:

>>> (10) XP Pro newly purchased-clients (many users) accessing the

>>> Windows

>>> 2003 Terminal Server

>>> Question: How many and what type of CALs do we need in TOTAL to

>>> support this

>>> environment (assume we have none of the following):

>>> SBS2000 CALs = ?

>>> Windows Server CALs = ?

>>> Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = ?

>>> Thanks !- Hide quoted text -

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Thanks, but I tried that and the MVPs just make fun of the fact that

> we still have an SBS2000 box. They were wondering if we still had a

> floppy drive...so if you can shed any light on this matter it would be

> appreciated.

>

Licensing issues can get very complicated. like taxes, the best thing is

to go to the source Contact Microsoft or your reseller to get the number...

 

--

 

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: How many CALs required?

 

I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I can't agree with you.

I've read all of your posts during the last year in that newsgroup,

and I would say that you have received excellent advice, much more

knowledgeable than I can ever give you.

The guy who referred to the floppy only used this to forewarn you

that it could be a problem to install extra SBS2000 CALs, since

they apparantly come on a floppy disk. The fact that he warns you

about this twice only tells me that he is most likely used to blade

servers, which usually don't have a floppy drive.

 

That said, my guess, but it's not more than that, is:

> SBS2000 CALs = 15 (existing XP) + 10 (new XP) + 1 (2003 server)

> Windows Server CALs = would be none if the Windows Server was

running W2K. With a 2003 member server, I don't know

> Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = one for every client which

connects to the TS. So at least 10 (for the new XPs), but maybe the

existing 15 XPs want to connect as well?

 

I totally agree with the advice give to you in the sbs newsgroup

and here by Hank: call your Microsoft Representative. Mixing

different products and versions makes licensing requirements

extremely complicated.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

compsosinc@gmail.com wrote on 14 sep 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> On Sep 13, 4:29 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

> this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

>> I would post this question in the sbs newsgroup. SBS licensing

>> is different from Windows licensing, especially the

>> requirements in a situation with additional servers in the

>> domain.

>>

>> microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

>>

>> SBS 2003 Licensing: Frequently Asked

>> Questionshttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo

>> /overview/li censingfaq.mspx

>>

>> _________________________________________________________

>> Vera Noest

>> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

>> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

>> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>>

>> compsos...@gmail.com wrote on 13 sep 2007 in

>> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>>

>>

>>

>> > We have the following environment:

>>

>> > (1) SBS2000 Server as DC -- NOT SBS2003

>> > (1) Windows 2003 Server Std Edition as a Terminal Server

>>

>> > We have:

>>

>> > (15) Users accessing the SBS2000 DC using XP Pro machines

>>

>> > We are adding:

>>

>> > (10) XP Pro newly purchased-clients (many users) accessing

>> > the Windows

>> > 2003 Terminal Server

>>

>> > Question: How many and what type of CALs do we need in TOTAL

>> > to support this

>> > environment (assume we have none of the following):

>>

>> > SBS2000 CALs = ?

>> > Windows Server CALs = ?

>> > Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = ?

>>

>> > Thanks !- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Thanks, but I tried that and the MVPs just make fun of the fact

> that we still have an SBS2000 box. They were wondering if we

> still had a floppy drive...so if you can shed any light on this

> matter it would be appreciated.

[Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: How many CALs required?

 

Vera Noest [MVP] wrote:

>

> I totally agree with the advice give to you in the sbs newsgroup

> and here by Hank:

 

Awwwwww shucks........ <blush> < scratches floor with shoe> ;-)

--

 

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest compsosinc@gmail.com]

Re: How many CALs required?

 

On Sep 14, 4:25 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

> I'm sorry that you feel that way, but I can't agree with you.

> I've read all of your posts during the last year in that newsgroup,

> and I would say that you have received excellent advice, much more

> knowledgeable than I can ever give you.

> The guy who referred to the floppy only used this to forewarn you

> that it could be a problem to install extra SBS2000 CALs, since

> they apparantly come on a floppy disk. The fact that he warns you

> about this twice only tells me that he is most likely used to blade

> servers, which usually don't have a floppy drive.

>

> That said, my guess, but it's not more than that, is:

>

> > SBS2000 CALs = 15 (existing XP) + 10 (new XP) + 1 (2003 server)

> > Windows Server CALs = would be none if the Windows Server was

>

> running W2K. With a 2003 member server, I don't know> Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = one for every client which

>

> connects to the TS. So at least 10 (for the new XPs), but maybe the

> existing 15 XPs want to connect as well?

>

> I totally agree with the advice give to you in the sbs newsgroup

> and here by Hank: call your Microsoft Representative. Mixing

> different products and versions makes licensing requirements

> extremely complicated.

>

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> compsos...@gmail.com wrote on 14 sep 2007 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>

>

> > On Sep 13, 4:29 pm, "Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.no...@remove-

> > this.hem.utfors.se> wrote:

> >> I would post this question in the sbs newsgroup. SBS licensing

> >> is different from Windows licensing, especially the

> >> requirements in a situation with additional servers in the

> >> domain.

>

> >> microsoft.public.windows.server.sbs

>

> >> SBS 2003 Licensing: Frequently Asked

> >> Questionshttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo

> >> /overview/li censingfaq.mspx

>

> >> _________________________________________________________

> >> Vera Noest

> >> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> >> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> >> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> >> compsos...@gmail.com wrote on 13 sep 2007 in

> >> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

> >> > We have the following environment:

>

> >> > (1) SBS2000 Server as DC -- NOT SBS2003

> >> > (1) Windows 2003 Server Std Edition as a Terminal Server

>

> >> > We have:

>

> >> > (15) Users accessing the SBS2000 DC using XP Pro machines

>

> >> > We are adding:

>

> >> > (10) XP Pro newly purchased-clients (many users) accessing

> >> > the Windows

> >> > 2003 Terminal Server

>

> >> > Question: How many and what type of CALs do we need in TOTAL

> >> > to support this

> >> > environment (assume we have none of the following):

>

> >> > SBS2000 CALs = ?

> >> > Windows Server CALs = ?

> >> > Terminal Server 2003 Device CALs = ?

>

> >> > Thanks !- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > Thanks, but I tried that and the MVPs just make fun of the fact

> > that we still have an SBS2000 box. They were wondering if we

> > still had a floppy drive...so if you can shed any light on this

> > matter it would be appreciated.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

 

Thank you very much. Advice well taken. We were unsure if the new XP

clients would need SBS2000 CALs since they only need to use the TS of

the Windows 2003 Server.We have already purchased the 10 TS CALs &

additional Windows 2003 CALs. Guess we need 10 more SBS CALs.

 

Thanks again.