CD Player Questions

September 16, 2007

I presently have two CD drives installed on my computer - Plextor

CD-R PX-W1210A and Samsung CD-Rom SCR-3230. I also have an IOMEGA ZIP

100 drive on this system in addition to a floppy A drive and the hard

drive. Here is the layout for these devices as noted in the BIOS:

Primary Master - [sT330621A]

Primary Slave - IOMEGA ZIP 100

Secondary Master - PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A

Secondary Slave - SAMSUNG SCR-3230

FYI, my mother board is ASUS A7V133.

Now for my questions:

---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

---Only one (PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A) of my two CD players automatically

starts when a CD is placed in the system. Is there some way to make

both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the system?

---I presently have an external hard drive connected to my system via

USB port. On this external hard drive lives my system backup. Will my

system look for this external hard drive (following a complete hard

drive formatting)should I have to resort to reinstalling this backup.

If not, what steps do I take to make it accessible to a newly formatted

hard drive?

(((NOTE: I recently had a computer melt-down. This problem caused me to

format the 120GB Hard Drive that was originally installed in my

system. After several attempts to resolve this problem, I finally

reverted to my old 30GB Hard Drive. It, too, went through a melt-down

that caused me to format it also and install a backup made May 2006 on

this system. Many have helped me get this hard drive up and working

again. Yes, I have a few cleanup tasks to complete before this drive is

back to the way I would like it to be. During this process, I lost over

a year of genealogy data and family pictures. Thus, I am contemplating

temporarily removing the 30GB drive from my system and reinstalling the

formatted 120GB drive back in the system. Then, I would like to make an

attempt to read the backup data from my external 120GB hard drive back

on the internal 120GB hard drive--hoping to recover lost data files.

(((The backup on the external hard drive was made using Acronis

software. I have learned, subsequent to all of my computer problems

starting, that one of the six floppy disks needed to reinstall the

backup files from the external hard drive is faulty. Thus, I will need

to make a new set of floppies before undertaking this task---that is, if

this undertaking is possible from a USB connected hard drive.))) That

is my reason for asking about the USB connected external hard drive above.

Thanks for any help sent my way on any of the above. Without the help

of individuals on this group, I would be in deep trouble at this point.

Thanks again and again for helping me and all of us that get stumped

by our computers and their problems.

Frog

September 16, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

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> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.

Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)

and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.

Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.

BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of

devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to

change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete

key usually removes from the series a device from which

you plan never to boot.

2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:

[sT330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after

the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot

from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

September 16, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:

> I presently have two CD drives installed on my computer -

> Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A and Samsung CD-Rom SCR-3230. I also have an

> IOMEGA ZIP 100 drive on this system in addition to a floppy A drive

> and the hard drive. Here is the layout for these devices as noted

> in the BIOS:

>

> Primary Master - [sT330621A]

>

> Primary Slave - IOMEGA ZIP 100

>

> Secondary Master - PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A

>

> Secondary Slave - SAMSUNG SCR-3230

>

> FYI, my mother board is ASUS A7V133.

>

> Now for my questions:

>

> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in

> this order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then

> continue to normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

By setting the desired boot order in BIOS. Pointless to have the CD

as a boot device unless you plan to put bootable discs in it.

_____________

> ---Only one (PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A) of my two CD players

> automatically starts when a CD is placed in the system. Is there

> some way to make

> both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the system?

Device manager

Properties of the drive

Tick "auto-notification"

--

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September 16, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Don Phillipson wrote:

> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

> news:eYth09H%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

>> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

>> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

>> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

>

> 1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.

> Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)

> and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.

> Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.

> BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of

> devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to

> change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete

> key usually removes from the series a device from which

> you plan never to boot.

>

> 2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:

> [sT330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after

> the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot

> from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

>

Thanks for helping me Don.

I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected. Here

is a summary of events:

I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]

2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]

3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [sT330621A]

4. Other Boot Device - [iNT 18 Device (Netw

I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my computer.

The computer restarted with no difficulties. I again visited the

Device Manager to see if all was well there--it was not. Here is what I

found:

---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.

---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The Plextor

"Device status" was as follows: "This device is not working properly

because a device it depends on, Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo),

has been dramatically disabled. To view the properties for Secondary

IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."

---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it.

The "Device status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not

present, not working properly, or does not have all the drivers

installed."

I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were

listed with no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not

have the yellow ! mark on it. The message under the CD players stated:

Status is not available when Windows is running in Safe Mode.

Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was

before. A visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found

both CD players listed, and there were no indications of any problems

(no red X or yellow ! mark).

Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include

my CD player.

Help!

Frog

September 16, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Thanks for the help dadiOH. See comments interspersed in message below.

dadiOH wrote:

> Frog wrote:

>> I presently have two CD drives installed on my computer -

>> Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A and Samsung CD-Rom SCR-3230. I also have an

>> IOMEGA ZIP 100 drive on this system in addition to a floppy A drive

>> and the hard drive. Here is the layout for these devices as noted

>> in the BIOS:

>>

>> Primary Master - [sT330621A]

>>

>> Primary Slave - IOMEGA ZIP 100

>>

>> Secondary Master - PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A

>>

>> Secondary Slave - SAMSUNG SCR-3230

>>

>> FYI, my mother board is ASUS A7V133.

>>

>> Now for my questions:

>>

>> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in

>> this order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then

>> continue to normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

>

> By setting the desired boot order in BIOS. Pointless to have the CD

> as a boot device unless you plan to put bootable discs in it.

I tried making BIOS changes, that you and Don suggested. Please see the

results of these BIOS changes included in my reply to Don Phillipson

(this thread).

> _____________

>

>> ---Only one (PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A) of my two CD players

>> automatically starts when a CD is placed in the system. Is there

>> some way to make

>> both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the system?

>

> Device manager

> Properties of the drive

> Tick "auto-notification"

I did as you suggested, and both CD players already had a Tick in

auto-notification. I don't understand why one works and the other does

not.

Help!

Frog

>

September 16, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

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> Don Phillipson wrote:

> > "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

> > news:eYth09H%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >

> >> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

> >> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

> >> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

> >

> > 1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.

> > Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)

> > and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.

> > Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.

> > BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of

> > devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to

> > change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete

> > key usually removes from the series a device from which

> > you plan never to boot.

> >

> > 2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:

> > [sT330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after

> > the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot

> > from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

> >

> Thanks for helping me Don.

>

> I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected. Here

> is a summary of events:

>

> I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

>

> 1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]

> 2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]

> 3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [sT330621A]

> 4. Other Boot Device - [iNT 18 Device (Netw

>

> I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my computer.

> The computer restarted with no difficulties. I again visited the

> Device Manager to see if all was well there--it was not. Here is what I

> found:

>

> ---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.

> ---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The Plextor

> "Device status" was as follows: "This device is not working properly

> because a device it depends on, Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo),

> has been dramatically disabled. To view the properties for Secondary

> IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."

> ---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it.

> The "Device status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not

> present, not working properly, or does not have all the drivers

> installed."

>

> I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were

> listed with no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not

> have the yellow ! mark on it. The message under the CD players stated:

> Status is not available when Windows is running in Safe Mode.

>

> Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was

> before. A visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found

> both CD players listed, and there were no indications of any problems

> (no red X or yellow ! mark).

>

> Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include

> my CD player.

When you boot OK with any hardware device missing,

the first cure is to remove that device from / Control Panel / System

and reboot, with the intention that Win98 will find the device as

"New Hardware" and reinstal drivers if needed (not usual for

CD RO drives.)

Your message seems to say IDE#2 malfunctions when the

boot drive sequence includes a CD drive on IDE#2 but IDE#2

behaves OK when boot drive sequence excludes CD drives.

I cannot think why. Your other followup says both drives

are set to Autoload but the Samsung RO drive does not do

this. Perhaps this drive is defective.

--

Don Phillipson

Carlsbad Springs

(Ottawa, Canada)

September 17, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

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> Don Phillipson wrote:

>> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

>> news:eYth09H%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

>>> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

>>> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

>>

>> 1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.

>> Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)

>> and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.

>> Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.

>> BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of

>> devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to

>> change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete

>> key usually removes from the series a device from which

>> you plan never to boot.

>>

>> 2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:

>> [sT330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after

>> the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot

>> from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

>>

> Thanks for helping me Don.

>

> I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected. Here is a

> summary of events:

>

> I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

>

> 1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]

> 2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]

> 3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [sT330621A]

> 4. Other Boot Device - [iNT 18 Device (Netw

Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a network device.

>

> I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my computer. The

> computer restarted with no difficulties. I again visited the Device Manager to see

> if all was well there--it was not. Here is what I found:

>

> ---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.

> ---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The Plextor "Device

> status" was as follows: "This device is not working properly because a device it

> depends on, Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo), has been dramatically disabled.

> To view the properties for Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."

> ---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it. The "Device

> status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not present, not working

> properly, or does not have all the drivers installed."

Drivers are either not installed or corrupt. You need to uninstall both of all

controllers and drives listed in Safe Mode > DM.

>

> I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were listed with

> no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not have the yellow ! mark on

> it. The message under the CD players stated: Status is not available when Windows

> is running in Safe Mode.

Since Safe Mode is basically used for tshooting it only loads the minimal drivers

needed to run. Most of your hardware will not have the drivers loaded, the exception

being only the essentials.

>

> Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was before. A

> visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found both CD players listed,

> and there were no indications of any problems (no red X or yellow ! mark).

Appears to me that the registry may be corrupt and confused, at least in the

hardware enum on which drive is which and which drive is where. I can suggest what

may be deemed as a dramatic step, yet for now let's see what others have to offer.

>

> Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include my CD

> player.

It should, but then again it doesn't really matter. If you want to use either of

the CD drives for what I suspect is to run a recovery/restore disk, startup the

machine with a DOS boot disk that has CD support.

Another thing to try would be to disconnect any/all devices you don't need when

booting with a recovery/restore disk. One thing I don't understand is your mention

of Six Floppies used for ATI recovery. Why the floppies and not a Recovery CD? An

ATI Recovery Manager CD has the actual application(s) install.exe files on it. If

you create the CD with more than one application included, it boots to a selection

window where you choose which app to install/use. The window looks the same as when

you first run the ATI installation in Windows.

--

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

September 18, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Brian,

We meet yet again about another one of my computer problems.

Thank you very much for coming to my aid. I attempted to to do the

steps you suggested, but had no success in solving my problem. I will

enter comments in message below.

Brian A. wrote:

> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

> news:uqVn9CL%23HHA.980@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Don Phillipson wrote:

>>> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

>>> news:eYth09H%23HHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>>> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

>>>> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

>>>> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

>>>

>>> 1. Boot drive source order is governed by BIOS settings.

>>> Interrupt the reboot process with the right key (usually DELete)

>>> and find your way to the right submenu of the BIOS menu.

>>> Mine is under / Boot and is named Boot Devices Priority.

>>> BIOS menus in ASUS MBs usually rotate a series of

>>> devices (e.g. floppy, HDD, CD) when you key + (plus) to

>>> change an item. But (undocumented feature) the DELete

>>> key usually removes from the series a device from which

>>> you plan never to boot.

>>>

>>> 2. You will need also to configure your HDD C:

>>> [sT330621A] as third in the boot drive sequence, after

>>> the floppy and CD. This way you get a normal boot

>>> from the HDD when those removable drives are empty.

>>>

>> Thanks for helping me Don.

>>

>> I did as you suggested, and the results were not what I expected.

>> Here is a summary of events:

>>

>> I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

>>

>> 1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]

>> 2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]

>> 3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [sT330621A]

>> 4. Other Boot Device - [iNT 18 Device (Netw

>

> Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a

> network device.

I checked this one out while in the BIOS today. It should read "INT18

Device (Network)". The ork) did not show in the BIOS window, but a

small window showed up when I highlighted this entry...Disabled Onboard

ATA100 BOOT Device/SCSI INT18 Device (Network).

>

>>

>> I then clicked F10 + YES to save my changes and to restart my

>> computer. The computer restarted with no difficulties. I again

>> visited the Device Manager to see if all was well there--it was not.

>> Here is what I found:

>>

>> ---The SAMSUNG SCR-3230 CD player was totally gone.

>> ---The PLEXTOR CD-R PX-1210A was there with a red X on it. The

>> Plextor "Device status" was as follows: "This device is not working

>> properly because a device it depends on, Secondary IDE controller

>> (dual fifo), has been dramatically disabled. To view the properties

>> for Secondary IDE Controller (dual fifo), click Properties."

>> ---The Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) had a yellow ! mark on it.

>> The "Device status" for this entry follows: "This device is either not

>> present, not working properly, or does not have all the drivers

>> installed."

>

> Drivers are either not installed or corrupt. You need to uninstall

> both of all controllers and drives listed in Safe Mode > DM.

Here is where the expected did not happen. I entered Safe Mode > Device

Manager > Hard disk controllers and attempted to Remove the Primary IDE

Controller (dual fifo) entry. That resulted in my seeing the following

window:

Confirm Device Removal

Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)

This device is part of a multi-function device, and cannot be removed

independently.

To remove this device, select and remove the multi-function parent.

This will also remove any other devices that are part of this

multi-function device.

Parent device:

No description available.

I then attempted to remove the Primary IDE controller (dual fifo) with

the same results as for the Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo).

Next, I returned to normal mode > Device Manager > Hard disk

controllers, and learned that the device for both the Primary and

Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) were one and the same...VIA Bus

Master PCI IDE Controller.

Back to Safe Mode > Device Manager > Hard disk controllers, and I

removed VIA Bus Master PCIIDE Controller. That removal worked for that

entry. I was not permitted, however, to remove anything associated with

the Primary or the Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) entries...same

message as observed earlier.

While in Safe Mode, I removed both CD players from Device Manager > CDROM.

I next made a visit to the BIOS, where I changed the Boot order...A

Drive, Plextor CD, and the Hard Drive. I then restarted my computer.

It indicated on start up that it was loading drivers for the VIA Bus

Master PCIIDE Controller, and then it restarted again.

Once in to normal Windows, I again made a visit to Device Manager. Both

of the CD devices were missing, and I had a yellow ! mark next to the

Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo) entry.

Back to the BIOS and changed the Boot order to A Drive, Hard Drive,

Plextor CD.

I restarted in normal Windows again, and found both CD devices and no !

mark in the Device Manager.

I think I am now back to where I was before starting these steps.

>

>>

>> I next made a visit to Safe Mode/Device Manager. Both CD players were

>> listed with no red X noted, and the Secondary IDE Controller did not

>> have the yellow ! mark on it. The message under the CD players

>> stated: Status is not available when Windows is running in Safe Mode.

>

> Since Safe Mode is basically used for tshooting it only loads the

> minimal drivers needed to run. Most of your hardware will not have the

> drivers loaded, the exception being only the essentials.

Thanks for this information. I observed this today while in Safe Mode.

Thanks.

>

>>

>> Lastly, I opened the BIOS and put the "BOOT" sequence back as it was

>> before. A visit to the Device Manager in Normal and Safe Mode found

>> both CD players listed, and there were no indications of any problems

>> (no red X or yellow ! mark).

>

> Appears to me that the registry may be corrupt and confused, at least

> in the hardware enum on which drive is which and which drive is where.

Although I am not a computer technician by any stretch, I observed some

things while this computer was in the shop that make me think you may be

correct in this assessment. Some time back, I had to take this computer

in to have a fan replaced. This process caused the technician to remove

the motherboard in order to get to the back of the board. I know he

removed all of the ribbon wires from Primary and Secondary connections

to the motherboard. I know that he was having difficulty in removing

the board, causing him to remove the ribbon wire entirely. I, however,

did not observe any problems after having this work done. The most

recent time I was in was just prior to my big melt-down. The technician

then told me that the SAMSUNG CD Device was not working properly. He

then attempted to use a new replacement CD device to see if it would

work then...it did not. He then removed/replaced the ribbon wiring from

the computer and replaced it with new wiring...that made no difference.

He then left the SAMSUNG CD out of the system. When I returned home

from this visit, the computer immediately started its meltdown. Once I

was able to connect to the Internet again, I decided to see if the

SAMSUNG CD device would work again...it did. I attempted to play a CD

in this device last night, however, and (unlike how it was immediately

after I installed it in the system) it did everything but play a sound.

I did not unplug anything, when I reinstalled the SAMSUNG CD

device...I simply found a plug on the ribbon wiring that was not in use.

That is what makes me think your thoughts about registry or wiring

problems may be a part of my problem...this from a person who knows

little about computers but is learning quickly.

> I can suggest what may be deemed as a dramatic step, yet for now let's

> see what others have to offer.

>

>>

>> Now, I am back to where I started...the boot sequence does not include

>> my CD player.

>

> It should, but then again it doesn't really matter. If you want to use

> either of the CD drives for what I suspect is to run a recovery/restore

> disk, startup the machine with a DOS boot disk that has CD support.

This is what I did, and it was a follow on step that didn't work. I

used a floppy to access my hard drive (the 120GB hard drive that is in

the drawer at the moment). I then formatted the 120GB hard drive.

After this, I used a series of floppy disks on a restart of my computer

that were made the backup...a backup that was made on another 120GB

external USB connected hard drive. I was feeding these six disks into

the A Drive, and all seemed to be going well. Well, disk 5 was found to

have an error on it that would not let me proceed further. Thus, I now

anticipate loading the software back on my system (the working 30GB hard

drive presently in my system) that was used to make the original

backup...thus, permitting me to make six new floppies...hoping that they

will work properly. If that works, I will eventually remove the 30GB

hard drive and reinstall the 120GB hard drive. I will again format the

120GB internal hard drive using the Windows generated startup floppy. I

next will restart my computer with the first of the six backup floppies

installed in the A drive and the 120GB external USB connected hard drive

plugged into the system. If all goes according to plan, I would then

read the backup from the 120GB external hard drive back on to the 120GB

internal hard drive. I know this all sounds confusing, but I hope you

can follow my plan...as I am not sure that this plan is not flawed.

That is, I'm not sure that a backup on an external USB hard drive can be

reinstalled on a newly formatted internal hard drive. Will it find the

USB connected hard drive is the question. The bottom line, I really

would like to recover my genealogy files and photos.

> Another thing to try would be to disconnect any/all devices you don't

> need when booting with a recovery/restore disk. One thing I don't

> understand is your mention of Six Floppies used for ATI recovery. Why

> the floppies and not a Recovery CD? An ATI Recovery Manager CD has the

> actual application(s) install.exe files on it. If you create the CD

> with more than one application included, it boots to a selection window

> where you choose which app to install/use. The window looks the same as

> when you first run the ATI installation in Windows.

In view of above, are you telling me that I should start with the

Windows startup floppy and then direct the system to the six floppies I

identified above? Will I be able to direct it to the external hard

drive for the backup data? I'm not quite sure I understand the

procedure you are outlining.

>

Thanks for your help and guidance...it is always appreciated.

Frog

September 18, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:

> Brian A. wrote:

>

>> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote:

>>>

>>>> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

>>>>> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

>>>>> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

Well, that is how you have it listed in the BIOS-selection shown

below, but you said that that showed problems in the Device

Manager. Look below to see if selecting the Samsung Optical Disk

Drive (ODD) will make a difference. You originally also asked the

following. "Is there some way to make both CD players

automatically start when a CD placed in the system?" Per below,

it doesn't seem so.

[snip]

>>> Here is a summary of events:

>>>

>>> I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

>>>

>>> 1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]

>>> 2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]

>>> 3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [sT330621A]

>>> 4. Other Boot Device - [iNT 18 Device (Netw

>>

>> Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a

>> network device.

>

> I checked this one out while in the BIOS today. It should read "INT18

> Device (Network)". The ork) did not show in the BIOS window, but a

> small window showed up when I highlighted this entry...Disabled Onboard

> ATA100 BOOT Device/SCSI INT18 Device (Network).

So do the same for the 'ATAPI CD-ROM' entry and you will ( most

probably ) be able to choose one or the other of the CD-Drives as

being the bootable one. The same for the 'IDE Hard Drive' entry

if you have more then one HDD. Only one of each 'type' can be

selected as bootable at the same time.

My A7V333 have two ODD's on the second IDE channel ( master and

slave ) and can use either one selected to boot from with all IDE

devices present and working in the Device Manager, so the OS on

your A7V133 seems to have 'issues'.

( And first of all, check and consider selecting 'Type: [CD-ROM]'

for the ODD's on the BIOS Setup's main page. )

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September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Thanks for responding to my call for help.

1. I have done several things since receiving your message, that I would

like to recap for you.

First, I got inside of the box to confirm where the ribbon wires go

from the motherboard and to what device. Here are the results of that

survey:

The plug closest to the edge of the motherboard (titled FLOPPY on

the drawing in my book) is connected to the floppy drive (A Drive).

The Secondary IDE plug (second in from the side of the motherboard) is

connected first to the SAMSUNG-3230 CD device and then to the Plextor

CD-R device.

The Primary IDE plug (third in from the side of the motherboard) is

connected first to the hard drive and then to the ZIP-100 drive.

I concluded that all devices were plugged in correctly---maybe. I say

maybe, because I see the SAMSUNG CD device lighting up on startup even

when it is listed below the hard drive during startup. I turned off my

computer, put my Windows 98SE CD in the SAMSOUNG CD device, and started

my computer. The lights flickered on the front of the CD player during

startup, but it did not run the 98SE CD. I then moved it to a position

ahead of the hard drive in the boot sequence...the results were the same

as before. I do not see the lights flicker on the front of the PLEXTOR

CD player during startup.

2. Based on your message, I made a visit to the BIOS/MAIN window. Here

is the way I found four lines of information on this page, when I

arrived---followed by the actions I took:

> Primary Mster [Auto] - I made no change to this line.

> Primary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I changed

Auto to ZIP-100.

> Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

changed Auto to CD-ROM

> Secondary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

changed Auto to CD-ROM

I restarted my computer and immediately looked in Device Manager. There

I found the hard drive partitions listed, but no ZIP or CD drives were

listed. So back to the BIOS again. I changed everything back except

the Secondary Slave entry which remained CD-ROM. A restart and all of

the devices were again present in the Device Manager (no problems

noted). I put 98SE CD in the SAMSUNG device; and it very slowly auto

started, and the Windows page appeared on screen. (Hurray, this device

had stopped reading and presenting information on screen several days

ago---good news). I then put the 98SE CD in the PLEXTOR device; and it

quickly auto started, and the Windows page appeared on screen. Thus,

this change did make a difference with the SAMSUNG device---it again works.

3. I next visited the BIOS/BOOT page again. Here is the way this page

looked on arrival:

1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]

2. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]

3. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

4. Other Boot Device [iNT18 Device (Network)]

Of course, neither CD player is in the boot sequence before the hard

drive. Thus, I changed the order of these elements, and only two

combinations did not cause problems in the Device Manager. The first no

problem was as I found them above. The second was as follows:

1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]

2. Other Boot Device [iNT18 Device (Network)]

3. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]

4. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

This combination did not result in any problems in the Device Manager.

It, however, did not open the 98SE CD on boot-up.

I think the above is a summary of the steps I have taken in response to

the information presented in your message. I hope I did as you

suggested--if not, let me know and I will try again. I know that my

computer originally only had one CD device installed (SAMSUNG). It was

not until many years later that the second CD device was installed

(PLEXTOR). They both seemed to perform perfectly together prior to my

meltdown. No, to the best of my knowledge, a CD device has never been

in the boot sequence before the hard drive. Secondly, the SAMSUNG

device is slow and may be on its way to the grave yard---that is, unless

some setting is causing it to be slow. The technician at the shop (back

when I was having the internal hard drive installed) could not make it

work and removed it from the system. After my meltdown, I reinstalled

it, and it has worked intermittently/and started reading a CD very

slowly since that re-installation.

Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back of

these two devices?

Well, that is about all I have to share with you. Let me know if I got

off base anywhere.

Thanks again for helping me.

Frog

.... et al. wrote:

> Frog wrote:

>

>> Brian A. wrote:

>>

>>> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> ---I would like to have the system at bootup check the drives in this

>>>>>> order: A Drive (floppy), PLEXTOR CD-R PX-W1210A, and then continue to

>>>>>> normal boot procedures. How do I make this happen?

>

> Well, that is how you have it listed in the BIOS-selection shown below,

> but you said that that showed problems in the Device Manager. Look below

> to see if selecting the Samsung Optical Disk Drive (ODD) will make a

> difference. You originally also asked the following. "Is there some way

> to make both CD players automatically start when a CD placed in the

> system?" Per below, it doesn't seem so.

>

> [snip]

>

>>>> Here is a summary of events:

>>>>

>>>> I entered the BIOS, and I changed the "Boot" order as follows:

>>>>

>>>> 1. Removable Drive - [Legacy Floppy]

>>>> 2. ATA PI CD_ROM - [PLEXTOR CD-R [X-W]

>>>> 3. IDE HARD DRIVE - [sT330621A]

>>>> 4. Other Boot Device - [iNT 18 Device (Netw

>>>

>>> Number 4's lost its tail. From what's present it appears to be a

>>> network device.

>>

>> I checked this one out while in the BIOS today. It should read "INT18

>> Device (Network)". The ork) did not show in the BIOS window, but a

>> small window showed up when I highlighted this entry...Disabled

>> Onboard ATA100 BOOT Device/SCSI INT18 Device (Network).

>

> So do the same for the 'ATAPI CD-ROM' entry and you will ( most probably

> ) be able to choose one or the other of the CD-Drives as being the

> bootable one. The same for the 'IDE Hard Drive' entry if you have more

> then one HDD. Only one of each 'type' can be selected as bootable at the

> same time.

>

> My A7V333 have two ODD's on the second IDE channel ( master and slave )

> and can use either one selected to boot from with all IDE devices

> present and working in the Device Manager, so the OS on your A7V133

> seems to have 'issues'.

>

> ( And first of all, check and consider selecting 'Type: [CD-ROM]' for

> the ODD's on the BIOS Setup's main page. )

>

September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:

> Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

> Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back

> of these two devices?

The end terminal is master, center slave. The drives need to be

jumpered appropriately. Either drive can be master or slave.

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September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

"dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message

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| Frog wrote:

|

| > Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

| > Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back

| > of these two devices?

|

| The end terminal is master, center slave. The drives need to be

| jumpered appropriately. Either drive can be master or slave.

|

| --

|

| dadiOH

| ____________________________

|

| dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

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| LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

| Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

|

To clarify: Choosing either IDE cable, one drive must be configured as

master, the other as slave.

IF you have set the BIOS to boot from the CD/DVD it should be configured as

a MASTER on the drive jumpers, not as slave.

The preferred [bIOS] Boot CD should be set for the MASTER CD. IF that drive

is, however, set as slave there MAY be errors regardless of the ability to

set the BIOS to the Slave drive.. so if your preferred Boot CD is presently

set as Slave, set it as the Master [on the Secondary Channel]. OR if set as

cable select, make sure it is connected to the proper cable connector. BTW,

using cable select is an *iffy* issue. Some BIOSes do not properly handle

it, particularly for booting purposes.

--

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September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Thanks for your help.

See comments below:

MEB wrote:

> "dadiOH" <dadiOH@guesswhere.com> wrote in message

> news:%23iW9Hss%23HHA.1416@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> | Frog wrote:

> |

> | > Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

> | > Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back

> | > of these two devices?

> |

> | The end terminal is master, center slave. The drives need to be

> | jumpered appropriately. Either drive can be master or slave.

> |

> | --

> |

> | dadiOH

> | ____________________________

> |

> | dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

> | ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

> | LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

> | Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

> |

>

> To clarify: Choosing either IDE cable, one drive must be configured as

> master, the other as slave.

Presently,

--the Primary IDE Master (at end of cable) is the ZIP-100 device,

--the Primary IDE Slave (the plug closest to the motherboard) is the

hard drive,

--the Secondary IDE Master (at end of cable) is the PLEXTOR CD device, and

--the Secondary IDE Slave (the plug closest to the motherboard) is the

SAMSUNG CD device.

>

> IF you have set the BIOS to boot from the CD/DVD it should be configured as

> a MASTER on the drive jumpers, not as slave.

It appears that the PLEXTOR CD device is connected as a Secondary IDE

master. Thus, it should be checked during boot up when I have it listed

above the hard drive on the BIOS/Boot window. When I place it in

this order, I have problems that appear in the Device Manager.

>

> The preferred [bIOS] Boot CD should be set for the MASTER CD. IF that drive

> is, however, set as slave there MAY be errors regardless of the ability to

> set the BIOS to the Slave drive.. so if your preferred Boot CD is presently

> set as Slave, set it as the Master [on the Secondary Channel]. OR if set as

> cable select, make sure it is connected to the proper cable connector. BTW,

> using cable select is an *iffy* issue. Some BIOSes do not properly handle

> it, particularly for booting purposes.

>

September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Thanks for your continued help--it is appreciated.

I tried to answer both messages in one response---please see my response

to MEB's message.

dadiOH wrote:

> Frog wrote:

>

>> Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

>> Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back

>> of these two devices?

>

> The end terminal is master, center slave. The drives need to be

> jumpered appropriately. Either drive can be master or slave.

>

> --�

>

> dadiOH

> ____________________________

>

> dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

> ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

> LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

> Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

>

September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message news:utQUCTu%23HHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for your continued help--it is appreciated.

>

> I tried to answer both messages in one response---please see my response

> to MEB's message.

>

> dadiOH wrote:

> > Frog wrote:

> >

> >> Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

> >> Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back

> >> of these two devices?

> >

> > The end terminal is master, center slave. The drives need to be

> > jumpered appropriately. Either drive can be master or slave.

> >

> > --�

> >

> > dadiOH

> > ____________________________

> >

> > dadiOH's dandies v3.06...

> > ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from

> > LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.

> > Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

> >

As I remember, if you are not using "Cable select" then the end connector and center connector are

just connectors. There usage depends on the Master/Slave settings of the drives plugged into them.

You don't have to keep moving your drives around just to fit master and slave correctly.

Only the floppy cable has a true "end" connector.

Galen

September 19, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:

> Thanks for responding to my call for help.

>

I leave your story below, but just write what i would check first.

#1) Futile exercise? Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with

Win98SE that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called

OEM's ( Dell, Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued

Win98SE CD isn't bootable.

#2) Important! You write:

"Secondly, the SAMSUNG device is slow and may be on its way to

the grave yard---that is, unless some setting is causing it to be

slow. The technician at the shop (back when I was having the

internal hard drive installed) could not make it work and removed

it from the system. After my meltdown, I reinstalled it, and it

has worked intermittently/and started reading a CD very slowly

since that re-installation."

You have a CD-Drive that was removed because some person couldn't

get it to work, and it is now working only intermittently for you

and with disappearing IDE devices in the Win98 Device Manager

depending on different BIOS settings. ¡Until you have everything

else working fine, remove this device from the equation!

Disconnect Data- and Power-cables from the Samsung Drive. Have

only the Plextor CD-Drive, jumpered as master, as a single device

on the second IDE-channel.

#3) I don't know if you took apart and rebuilt the hardware in

the aftermath of its 'meltdown', if both CD-Drives perhaps are

jumpered as 'master', but you describe looking inside it now. I

would check to confirm that on each IDE-cable one device was

jumpered as master and one as slave or as master if using only a

single device (if you follow step #2 above).

Does it make any difference which CD device is Master?, you ask.

If you have the newer '80-wire' IDE-cables then see _DadiOH_and

_MEB_ , if you have the older '40-wire' cable there are in fact

two different ones behaving differently, but i think the special

'Cable Select Cable' is uncommon.

<http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS.html>

<http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80.html>

<http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable.html>

( Maybe i've just been lucky but for me IDE devices have 'worked'

with the master in the middle or at the end, alone or with a

slave, using the standard 40-wire cables. )

Go with the advice from _DadiOH_ and _MEB_ .

#4) Primary IDE Channel ( with more info in your newer post. )

Check the jumpers on the HDD and Zip-Disk Drive. For how to

attach the Data-cable see point #3 above. And then check to see

when using 'Auto' on the BIOS Setup's main page that the HDD

'ST330621A' is found as the Primary Master.

#5) Make sure you are using a Bootable CD and try again to change

the BIOS settings to have 'ATAPI CD-ROM' before 'IDE Hard Drive'.

> 1. I have done several things since receiving your message, that I would

> like to recap for you.

>

> First, I got inside of the box to confirm where the ribbon wires go

> from the motherboard and to what device. Here are the results of that

> survey:

>

> The plug closest to the edge of the motherboard (titled FLOPPY on

> the drawing in my book) is connected to the floppy drive (A Drive).

>

> The Secondary IDE plug (second in from the side of the motherboard) is

> connected first to the SAMSUNG-3230 CD device and then to the Plextor

> CD-R device.

>

> The Primary IDE plug (third in from the side of the motherboard) is

> connected first to the hard drive and then to the ZIP-100 drive.

>

> I concluded that all devices were plugged in correctly---maybe. I say

> maybe, because I see the SAMSUNG CD device lighting up on startup even

> when it is listed below the hard drive during startup. I turned off my

> computer, put my Windows 98SE CD in the SAMSOUNG CD device, and started

> my computer. The lights flickered on the front of the CD player during

> startup, but it did not run the 98SE CD. I then moved it to a position

> ahead of the hard drive in the boot sequence...the results were the same

> as before. I do not see the lights flicker on the front of the PLEXTOR

> CD player during startup.

>

> 2. Based on your message, I made a visit to the BIOS/MAIN window. Here

> is the way I found four lines of information on this page, when I

> arrived---followed by the actions I took:

>

> > Primary Mster [Auto] - I made no change to this line.

>

> > Primary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I changed

> Auto to ZIP-100.

>

> > Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

> changed Auto to CD-ROM

>

> > Secondary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

> changed Auto to CD-ROM

>

> I restarted my computer and immediately looked in Device Manager. There

> I found the hard drive partitions listed, but no ZIP or CD drives were

> listed. So back to the BIOS again. I changed everything back except

> the Secondary Slave entry which remained CD-ROM. A restart and all of

> the devices were again present in the Device Manager (no problems

> noted). I put 98SE CD in the SAMSUNG device; and it very slowly auto

> started, and the Windows page appeared on screen. (Hurray, this device

> had stopped reading and presenting information on screen several days

> ago---good news). I then put the 98SE CD in the PLEXTOR device; and it

> quickly auto started, and the Windows page appeared on screen. Thus,

> this change did make a difference with the SAMSUNG device---it again works.

>

> 3. I next visited the BIOS/BOOT page again. Here is the way this page

> looked on arrival:

>

> 1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]

> 2. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]

> 3. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

> 4. Other Boot Device [iNT18 Device (Network)]

>

> Of course, neither CD player is in the boot sequence before the hard

> drive. Thus, I changed the order of these elements, and only two

> combinations did not cause problems in the Device Manager. The first no

> problem was as I found them above. The second was as follows:

>

> 1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]

> 2. Other Boot Device [iNT18 Device (Network)]

> 3. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]

> 4. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

>

> This combination did not result in any problems in the Device Manager.

> It, however, did not open the 98SE CD on boot-up.

>

> I think the above is a summary of the steps I have taken in response to

> the information presented in your message. I hope I did as you

> suggested--if not, let me know and I will try again. I know that my

> computer originally only had one CD device installed (SAMSUNG). It was

> not until many years later that the second CD device was installed

> (PLEXTOR). They both seemed to perform perfectly together prior to my

> meltdown. No, to the best of my knowledge, a CD device has never been

> in the boot sequence before the hard drive. Secondly, the SAMSUNG

> device is slow and may be on its way to the grave yard---that is, unless

> some setting is causing it to be slow. The technician at the shop (back

> when I was having the internal hard drive installed) could not make it

> work and removed it from the system. After my meltdown, I reinstalled

> it, and it has worked intermittently/and started reading a CD very

> slowly since that re-installation.

>

> Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

> Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back of

> these two devices?

>

> Well, that is about all I have to share with you. Let me know if I got

> off base anywhere.

>

> Thanks again for helping me.

>

> Frog

--

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Please followup in the newsgroup.

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September 20, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Thanks for your continued help--it's so appreciated.

Sorry for the time that it has taken me to respond to your message... I

had to feel my way through some of this information gathering. Please

let me know if I haven't answered your questions anywhere along the line.

.... et al. wrote:

> Frog wrote:

>

>> Thanks for responding to my call for help.

>>

>

> I leave your story below, but just write what i would check first.

>

> #1) Futile exercise?

I'm starting to think that it may be a futile exercise--I hope not, though.

> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with Win98SE

> that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's ( Dell,

> Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued Win98SE CD isn't

> bootable.

My mistake on the bootable CD business. I thought the Microsoft-issued

Win98SE CD was bootable. How does the software on the Win98SE CD get

loaded on to a new computer for the first time? Oh well, that is not a

part of my present problem...something else for me to learn. I'm not

sure that I have a bootable CD to test my boot process--I will see if

one of my friends can help me with such a CD.

>

> #2) Important! You write:

> "Secondly, the SAMSUNG device is slow and may be on its way to the grave

> yard---that is, unless some setting is causing it to be slow. The

> technician at the shop (back when I was having the internal hard drive

> installed) could not make it work and removed it from the system. After

> my meltdown, I reinstalled it, and it has worked intermittently/and

> started reading a CD very slowly since that re-installation."

> You have a CD-Drive that was removed because some person couldn't get it

> to work, and it is now working only intermittently for you and with

> disappearing IDE devices in the Win98 Device Manager depending on

> different BIOS settings. ¡Until you have everything else working fine,

> remove this device from the equation! Disconnect Data- and Power-cables

> from the Samsung Drive. Have only the Plextor CD-Drive, jumpered as

> master, as a single device on the second IDE-channel.

I disconnected the Samsung device from the equation. The Plextor device

is now connected to the end connection on the ribbon cable. I then

entered the BIOS and designated the boot sequence to be the floppy,

Plextor, and then the hard drive. The computer was then restarted, and

no problems were noted in the Device Manager.

NOTE 1: Although I see no problems in the Device Manager, I'm not sure

whether the Plextor is being checked for a CD during the boot process.

I do see the yellow light showing on the front of the Plextor device

immediately after the computer is powered up. Is this an indicator

that it is looking for a bootable CD?

NOTE 2: I will start this note with the fact that I haven't yet read the

items you you suggested in your message--that will be next on my list.

Now to my NOTE 2. Master and Slave on the ribbon cable is where I am a

little lost, to say the least. Let me explain. The cable that connects

to the Secondary IDE on the motherboard is a 40 connector cable with

three connectors (one for the motherboard and two for devices). I am

confused about how to know which is Master and which is Slave. Based on

the information contained in DadiOH and MEB messages, the end would be

the Master--is that correct? The book that came with the motherboard

doesn't help with this situation---it talks about blue, gray and black

connectors. All of the connectors on my ribbon cable are black. Here

is what I found in my motherboard book:

Quote

Primary (Blue)/Secondary IDE Connectors

(40-1 pin PRIMARY ATA100 SECONDARY ATA100)

(40-1 pin PRIMARY IDE/SECONDARY IDE)

These connectors support the provided IDE hard disk ribbon cables.

Connect the cable's blue connector to the motherboard's primary

(recommended) or secondary IDE connector, and then connect the

corresponding gray connector to your UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66 slave device

(hard disk drive) and the black connector to your UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66

master device. It is recommended that non-UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66

devices be connected to the secondary IDE connector.

NOTE: UltraDMA/100 is backward compatible with DMA/66, DMA/33, and DMA

and with existing DMA devices and systems, so there is no need to

upgrade current EIDE/IDE drives and host systems.

Unquote

There is more on this page, however, it contains information about

installing two hard disks.

Well, this information would make better sense if I had a cable with

color coded connectors. As I said before, the Primary IDE is connected

to the blue Primary IDE terminal on the mother board (I'm sure of this

fact). The next connection up the cable is connected to the hard drive,

and the end connection is attached to the ZIP-100 device. The Secondary

IDE is connected to black terminal on the mother board (I'm also sure of

this fact). The next connection up the cable is not connected to any

device (was previously connected to the Samsung device), and the end

connection is attached to the Plextor device. I'm still not sure that

things are wired properly. I think they are properly connected (see

jumper comments later in this message).

>

> #3) I don't know if you took apart and rebuilt the hardware in the

> aftermath of its 'meltdown',

No, I changed nothing inside of my computer except re-placing the

120GB hard drive with the 30GB hard drive. Oh yes, and I added the

Samsung CD device back into the system--that device is again

disconnected from the system. The only changes I have made in the BIOS

was on the MAIN window (i.e., Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second

window of this entry, I changed Auto to CD-ROM) and to change the boot

sequence on the BOOT window.

> if both CD-Drives perhaps are jumpered as

> 'master', but you describe looking inside it now. I would check to

> confirm that on each IDE-cable one device was jumpered as master and one

> as slave or as master if using only a single device (if you follow step

> #2 above).

> Does it make any difference which CD device is Master?, you ask.

> If you have the newer '80-wire' IDE-cables then see _DadiOH_and _MEB_ ,

> if you have the older '40-wire' cable there are in fact two different

> ones behaving differently, but i think the special 'Cable Select Cable'

> is uncommon.

The above instructions are at the edge of my technical knowledge. Here

is what I have learned about jumpering:

30GB hard drive:

Seagate U Series 5 - Model: 8T330621A

Presently set up as Master or single drive.

Other options are: Drive is a Slave, Master with non-ATA compatible

slave, and Enables cable select.

ZIP-100 drive

Presently set up as Slave.

Other options are: Master and Cable Select.

The Samsung CD device (not presently connected to the system) is set up

as Slave.

The Plextor CD device is set up as Master.

NOTE: The 120GB hard drive that was in my computer, when I arrived home

from the computer store, does not display a setup plan. It is a Western

Digital model WD1200BB-23RDAO product. I looked at another Western

Digital hard drive (not the same model number), and, if both settings

are the same for both hard drives, it was set as Master (center two pins

jumpered). The hard drive that was originally in this system, when it

was originally assembled, was jumpered as a Slave. The ZIP-100 and the

Plextor devices were added later, so that probably changed the jumpers

at that time. Now, that is what I learned as I was living at the edge

of my technical knowledge. Hope that responds to the comments made in

your message....

> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS.html>

> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80.html>

> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable.html>

I will read these ASAP.

> ( Maybe i've just been lucky but for me IDE devices have 'worked' with

> the master in the middle or at the end, alone or with a slave, using the

> standard 40-wire cables. )

My Secondary IDE employs a 40-wire cable harness, while the primary is

an 80 wire cable. I moved the Plextor on the Secondary IDE (with no

Samsung device involved) from one plug to the other and noticed no

change whatsoever. Thus, I don't think the plug connected to a device

makes a difference (my limited technical knowledge speaking). It must

be the jumpers that make the difference.

> Go with the advice from _DadiOH_ and _MEB_ .

>

> #4) Primary IDE Channel ( with more info in your newer post. )

> Check the jumpers on the HDD and Zip-Disk Drive. For how to attach the

> Data-cable see point #3 above. And then check to see when using 'Auto'

> on the BIOS Setup's main page that the HDD 'ST330621A' is found as the

> Primary Master.

The HHD ST330621A is shown on the Main page as the Primary Master with

Type Auto. I looked up what Auto means in the motherboard book, and

here is what I found:

Quote

Type [Auto]

Select [Auto] to automatically detect an IDE hard disk drive. If

automatic detection is successful, the correct values will be filled in

for the remaining fields on the sub-menu. If automatic detection fails,

your hard disk drive may be too old or too new. You can try updating

your BIOS or enter the IDE hard disk drive parameters manually.

Unquote

The above makes me wonder if I was right in changing the Samsung Device

from Auto to CD-ROM on the main page. I believe it should be Auto,

if/when I re-install this device.

>

> #5) Make sure you are using a Bootable CD and try again to change the

> BIOS settings to have 'ATAPI CD-ROM' before 'IDE Hard Drive'.

I believe you are telling me to put the Plextor in a position above the

IDE Hard Drive--is that correct? If so, that is where it is; and no

problems appear in the Device Manager. It seems that my problems with

Device Manager start, when the Samsung device is added to the system.

I will try to find a disk that will test the CD device during startup.

>

>> 1. I have done several things since receiving your message, that I would

>> like to recap for you.

>>

>> First, I got inside of the box to confirm where the ribbon wires go

>> from the motherboard and to what device. Here are the results of that

>> survey:

>>

>> The plug closest to the edge of the motherboard (titled FLOPPY on

>> the drawing in my book) is connected to the floppy drive (A Drive).

>>

>> The Secondary IDE plug (second in from the side of the motherboard) is

>> connected first to the SAMSUNG-3230 CD device and then to the Plextor

>> CD-R device.

>>

>> The Primary IDE plug (third in from the side of the motherboard) is

>> connected first to the hard drive and then to the ZIP-100 drive.

>>

>> I concluded that all devices were plugged in correctly---maybe. I say

>> maybe, because I see the SAMSUNG CD device lighting up on startup even

>> when it is listed below the hard drive during startup. I turned off my

>> computer, put my Windows 98SE CD in the SAMSOUNG CD device, and started

>> my computer. The lights flickered on the front of the CD player during

>> startup, but it did not run the 98SE CD. I then moved it to a position

>> ahead of the hard drive in the boot sequence...the results were the same

>> as before. I do not see the lights flicker on the front of the PLEXTOR

>> CD player during startup.

>>

>> 2. Based on your message, I made a visit to the BIOS/MAIN window.

>> Here is the way I found four lines of information on this page, when I

>> arrived---followed by the actions I took:

>>

>> > Primary Mster [Auto] - I made no change to this line.

>>

>> > Primary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

>> changed Auto to ZIP-100.

>>

>> > Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

>> changed Auto to CD-ROM

>>

>> > Secondary Slave [Auto] - On the second window of this entry, I

>> changed Auto to CD-ROM

>>

>> I restarted my computer and immediately looked in Device Manager.

>> There I found the hard drive partitions listed, but no ZIP or CD

>> drives were listed. So back to the BIOS again. I changed everything

>> back except the Secondary Slave entry which remained CD-ROM. A

>> restart and all of the devices were again present in the Device

>> Manager (no problems noted). I put 98SE CD in the SAMSUNG device; and

>> it very slowly auto started, and the Windows page appeared on screen.

>> (Hurray, this device had stopped reading and presenting information on

>> screen several days ago---good news). I then put the 98SE CD in the

>> PLEXTOR device; and it quickly auto started, and the Windows page

>> appeared on screen. Thus, this change did make a difference with the

>> SAMSUNG device---it again works.

>>

>> 3. I next visited the BIOS/BOOT page again. Here is the way this page

>> looked on arrival:

>>

>> 1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]

>> 2. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]

>> 3. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

>> 4. Other Boot Device [iNT18 Device (Network)]

>>

>> Of course, neither CD player is in the boot sequence before the hard

>> drive. Thus, I changed the order of these elements, and only two

>> combinations did not cause problems in the Device Manager. The first

>> no problem was as I found them above. The second was as follows:

>>

>> 1. Removable Device [Legacy Floppy]

>> 2. Other Boot Device [iNT18 Device (Network)]

>> 3. IDE Hard Drive {ST330621A]

>> 4. ATAPI CD-ROM [Plextor CD-R PX-W1210A]

>>

>> This combination did not result in any problems in the Device Manager.

>> It, however, did not open the 98SE CD on boot-up.

>>

>> I think the above is a summary of the steps I have taken in response

>> to the information presented in your message. I hope I did as you

>> suggested--if not, let me know and I will try again. I know that my

>> computer originally only had one CD device installed (SAMSUNG). It

>> was not until many years later that the second CD device was installed

>> (PLEXTOR). They both seemed to perform perfectly together prior to my

>> meltdown. No, to the best of my knowledge, a CD device has never been

>> in the boot sequence before the hard drive. Secondly, the SAMSUNG

>> device is slow and may be on its way to the grave yard---that is,

>> unless some setting is causing it to be slow. The technician at the

>> shop (back when I was having the internal hard drive installed) could

>> not make it work and removed it from the system. After my meltdown, I

>> reinstalled it, and it has worked intermittently/and started reading a

>> CD very slowly since that re-installation.

>>

>> Question, does it make any difference which CD device is Master and

>> Slave? If so, what happens if I switch the ribbon wire on the back of

>> these two devices?

>>

>> Well, that is about all I have to share with you. Let me know if I

>> got off base anywhere.

>>

>> Thanks again for helping me.

>>

>> Frog

>

September 21, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Comments inline.....

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

news:uNtgyp9%23HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>

>> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

>> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with Win98SE that comes

>> with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's ( Dell, Siemens, Acer, Compaq,

>> etc... ), a microsoft-issued Win98SE CD isn't bootable.

A RETAIL Win98SE CD is not bootable, but many OEM Win98SE CDs are.

> My mistake on the bootable CD business. I thought the Microsoft-issued

> Win98SE CD was bootable. How does the software on the Win98SE CD get

> loaded on to a new computer for the first time?

By using a Win98 Boot floppy with CD-ROM support. Said floppy will have the

necessary CD drivers on it, and also the needed autoexec.bat and config.sys entries

to load those drivers. Once booted, the CD drive is readable, and the Win98 setup

program on it can be run.

> I'm not

> sure that I have a bootable CD to test my boot process--I will see if

> one of my friends can help me with such a CD.

You can make one with the help of the download from here:

http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

>> #2) Important! You write:

>> "Secondly, the SAMSUNG device is slow and may be on its way to the grave

>> yard---that is, unless some setting is causing it to be slow. The technician at

>> the shop (back when I was having the internal hard drive installed) could not

>> make it work and removed it from the system. After my meltdown, I reinstalled

>> it, and it has worked intermittently/and started reading a CD very slowly since

>> that re-installation."

>> You have a CD-Drive that was removed because some person couldn't get it to work,

>> and it is now working only intermittently for you and with disappearing IDE

>> devices in the Win98 Device Manager depending on different BIOS settings. ¡Until

>> you have everything else working fine, remove this device from the equation!

>> Disconnect Data- and Power-cables from the Samsung Drive. Have only the Plextor

>> CD-Drive, jumpered as master, as a single device on the second IDE-channel.

>

> I disconnected the Samsung device from the equation. The Plextor device

> is now connected to the end connection on the ribbon cable. I then

> entered the BIOS and designated the boot sequence to be the floppy,

> Plextor, and then the hard drive. The computer was then restarted, and

> no problems were noted in the Device Manager.

I think it is fairly safe to say that the Samsung CD drive is defective, and you

should remove it and toss it into the nearest trash bin, please.

>

> NOTE 1: Although I see no problems in the Device Manager, I'm not sure

> whether the Plextor is being checked for a CD during the boot process.

> I do see the yellow light showing on the front of the Plextor device

> immediately after the computer is powered up. Is this an indicator

> that it is looking for a bootable CD?

Not necessarily. Most systems will flash the optical drive lights as part of the

boot process, as the BIOS discovers the hardware upon startup.

> NOTE 2: I will start this note with the fact that I haven't yet read the

> items you you suggested in your message--that will be next on my list.

> Now to my NOTE 2. Master and Slave on the ribbon cable is where I am a

> little lost, to say the least. Let me explain. The cable that connects

> to the Secondary IDE on the motherboard is a 40 connector cable with

> three connectors (one for the motherboard and two for devices). I am

> confused about how to know which is Master and which is Slave. Based on

> the information contained in DadiOH and MEB messages, the end would be

> the Master--is that correct? The book that came with the motherboard

> doesn't help with this situation---it talks about blue, gray and black

> connectors. All of the connectors on my ribbon cable are black.

You will usually only find blue, grey, and black connector combinations on the newer

80-wire, 40-pin cables. 40-wire, 40-pin cables will have the same color on all

three connectors, and it does not particularly matter with is used for which device.

IOW you can put the master optical drive on either connector, likewise the slave.

What matters in that scenario is that the drives are *jumpered* correctly as master

and slave. If you have only one device on the cable, it is best to use the end

connector. For consistency, I use the end connector for master even on the olde

40-wire cables, but it isn't necessary or sometimes even possible due to case

configuration.

> Here is what I found in my motherboard book:

>

> Quote

>

> Primary (Blue)/Secondary IDE Connectors

> (40-1 pin PRIMARY ATA100 SECONDARY ATA100)

> (40-1 pin PRIMARY IDE/SECONDARY IDE)

> These connectors support the provided IDE hard disk ribbon cables.

> Connect the cable's blue connector to the motherboard's primary

> (recommended) or secondary IDE connector, and then connect the

> corresponding gray connector to your UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66 slave device

> (hard disk drive) and the black connector to your UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66

> master device. It is recommended that non-UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66

> devices be connected to the secondary IDE connector.

>

> NOTE: UltraDMA/100 is backward compatible with DMA/66, DMA/33, and DMA

> and with existing DMA devices and systems, so there is no need to

> upgrade current EIDE/IDE drives and host systems.

>

> Unquote

>

> There is more on this page, however, it contains information about

> installing two hard disks.

>

> Well, this information would make better sense if I had a cable with

> color coded connectors. As I said before, the Primary IDE is connected

> to the blue Primary IDE terminal on the mother board (I'm sure of this

> fact). The next connection up the cable is connected to the hard drive,

> and the end connection is attached to the ZIP-100 device.

As long as the drives are jumpered correctly (hard drive as master, zip drive as

slave), which connector is for which does not really matter. As I said, I *prefer*

using the end for the master device, but only for consistency. With standard 40-pin

IDE cables it does not matter.

> The Secondary

> IDE is connected to black terminal on the mother board (I'm also sure of

> this fact). The next connection up the cable is not connected to any

> device (was previously connected to the Samsung device), and the end

> connection is attached to the Plextor device. I'm still not sure that

> things are wired properly. I think they are properly connected (see

> jumper comments later in this message).

That sounds fine.

>> #3) I don't know if you took apart and rebuilt the hardware in the aftermath of

>> its 'meltdown',

>

> No, I changed nothing inside of my computer except re-placing the

> 120GB hard drive with the 30GB hard drive. Oh yes, and I added the

> Samsung CD device back into the system--that device is again

> disconnected from the system. The only changes I have made in the BIOS

> was on the MAIN window (i.e., Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second

> window of this entry, I changed Auto to CD-ROM) and to change the boot

> sequence on the BOOT window.

Either setting (auto or cd-rom) should work.

>> if both CD-Drives perhaps are jumpered as

>> 'master', but you describe looking inside it now. I would check to confirm that

>> on each IDE-cable one device was jumpered as master and one as slave or as master

>> if using only a single device (if you follow step #2 above).

>> Does it make any difference which CD device is Master?, you ask.

>> If you have the newer '80-wire' IDE-cables then see _DadiOH_and _MEB_ , if you

>> have the older '40-wire' cable there are in fact two different ones behaving

>> differently, but i think the special 'Cable Select Cable' is uncommon.

>

> The above instructions are at the edge of my technical knowledge. Here

> is what I have learned about jumpering:

>

> 30GB hard drive:

> Seagate U Series 5 - Model: 8T330621A

> Presently set up as Master or single drive.

> Other options are: Drive is a Slave, Master with non-ATA compatible

> slave, and Enables cable select.

Good.

> ZIP-100 drive

> Presently set up as Slave.

> Other options are: Master and Cable Select.

Good.

> The Samsung CD device (not presently connected to the system) is set up

> as Slave.

Send this drive to the landfill or recycle it if possible.

> The Plextor CD device is set up as Master.

Good.

> NOTE: The 120GB hard drive that was in my computer, when I arrived home

> from the computer store, does not display a setup plan. It is a Western

> Digital model WD1200BB-23RDAO product. I looked at another Western

> Digital hard drive (not the same model number), and, if both settings

> are the same for both hard drives, it was set as Master (center two pins

> jumpered). The hard drive that was originally in this system, when it

> was originally assembled, was jumpered as a Slave. The ZIP-100 and the

> Plextor devices were added later, so that probably changed the jumpers

> at that time. Now, that is what I learned as I was living at the edge

> of my technical knowledge. Hope that responds to the comments made in

> your message....

Western Digital jumper settings:

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=84&p_created=1005005461&p_sid=hrk1JdMi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzQyLDM0MiZwX3Byb2RzPSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9c2VhcmNoX2ZubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWp1bXBlciBzZXR0aW5ncw**&p_li=&p_topview=1

>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS.html>

>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80.html>

>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable.html>

>

> I will read these ASAP.

>

>> ( Maybe i've just been lucky but for me IDE devices have 'worked' with the master

>> in the middle or at the end, alone or with a slave, using the standard 40-wire

>> cables. )

>

> My Secondary IDE employs a 40-wire cable harness, while the primary is

> an 80 wire cable. I moved the Plextor on the Secondary IDE (with no

> Samsung device involved) from one plug to the other and noticed no

> change whatsoever. Thus, I don't think the plug connected to a device

> makes a difference (my limited technical knowledge speaking). It must

> be the jumpers that make the difference.

Yep, if you are using a standard 40-conductor IDE cable.

> snip

> The HHD ST330621A is shown on the Main page as the Primary Master with

> Type Auto. I looked up what Auto means in the motherboard book, and

> here is what I found:

> snip

> The above makes me wonder if I was right in changing the Samsung Device

> from Auto to CD-ROM on the main page. I believe it should be Auto,

> if/when I re-install this device.

The Samsung should be outside in the bin already. AFAIK either Auto or CD-ROM would

work here. Try Auto, when you get a replacement drive for the dead one.

>> #5) Make sure you are using a Bootable CD and try again to change the BIOS

>> settings to have 'ATAPI CD-ROM' before 'IDE Hard Drive'.

>

> I believe you are telling me to put the Plextor in a position above the

> IDE Hard Drive--is that correct? If so, that is where it is; and no

> problems appear in the Device Manager. It seems that my problems with

> Device Manager start, when the Samsung device is added to the system.

>

> I will try to find a disk that will test the CD device during startup.

>>

> snip of older message

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

http://dts-l.org/

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

September 21, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:

> ... et al. wrote:

>

>> #1) Futile exercise?

>

> I'm starting to think that it may be a futile exercise--I hope not, though.

Trying to boot from the CD you were trying to boot from, perhaps.

Getting your working IDE Devices to work right in Win98SE and

allowing you to configure the BIOS to allow you to boot from a CD

... i think, that by removing the malworking Samsung-Drive, you've

accomplished that already.

I'll just make a few comments, since we have glee's response.

[snip]

>> You have a CD-Drive that was removed because some person couldn't get

>> it to work, and it is now working only intermittently for you and with

>> disappearing IDE devices in the Win98 Device Manager depending on

>> different BIOS settings. ¡Until you have everything else working fine,

>> remove this device from the equation! Disconnect Data- and

>> Power-cables from the Samsung Drive. Have only the Plextor CD-Drive,

>> jumpered as master, as a single device on the second IDE-channel.

>

> I disconnected the Samsung device from the equation. The Plextor device

> is now connected to the end connection on the ribbon cable. I then

> entered the BIOS and designated the boot sequence to be the floppy,

> Plextor, and then the hard drive. The computer was then restarted, and

> no problems were noted in the Device Manager.

See, this was all it took. And i think that if you try booting

with a bootable CD now, that this should work.

[snip]

>>

>> #3) I don't know if you took apart and rebuilt the hardware in the

>> aftermath of its 'meltdown',

>

> No, I changed nothing inside of my computer except re-placing the

> 120GB hard drive with the 30GB hard drive. Oh yes, and I added the

> Samsung CD device back into the system--that device is again

> disconnected from the system.

[snip]

> The Samsung CD device (not presently connected to the system) is set up

> as Slave.

>

> The Plextor CD device is set up as Master.

This was the important stuff. I thought there was a risk you had

had first one CD player in the machine alone and then the other,

and that both were still jumpered as master when you now tried to

use them together on the same IDE channel. Fine..

> NOTE: The 120GB hard drive that was in my computer, when I arrived home

> from the computer store, does not display a setup plan. It is a Western

> Digital model WD1200BB-23RDAO product. I looked at another Western

> Digital hard drive (not the same model number), and, if both settings

> are the same for both hard drives, it was set as Master (center two pins

> jumpered).

Glee posted a link for jumper-settings for Western Digital

branded HDD. For the time when you put yours back in some

machine, i just want to stress that how to jumper these differs

from most other brands of HDD's in that there is one

Jumper-setting when used as slave, and *two* different one when

used as master. One when there is a slave-device present and

another jumper-setting when there is no Slave-device present on

that IDE-channel.

>

>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS.html>

>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80.html>

>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable.html>

>

> I will read these ASAP.

For most of the questions you asked in your post, concerning

cables, master and slave positions, the things that i've snipped,

i suggest that you read the texts on the links i posted, look at

the pictures there and compare that information with you own

hardware. You will know as much about these things as i do.

[snip]

>

> The HHD ST330621A is shown on the Main page as the Primary Master with

> Type Auto. I looked up what Auto means in the motherboard book, and

> here is what I found:

>

> Quote

>

> Type [Auto]

> Select [Auto] to automatically detect an IDE hard disk drive. If

> automatic detection is successful, the correct values will be filled in

> for the remaining fields on the sub-menu. If automatic detection fails,

> your hard disk drive may be too old or too new. You can try updating

> your BIOS or enter the IDE hard disk drive parameters manually.

>

> Unquote

>

> The above makes me wonder if I was right in changing the Samsung Device

> from Auto to CD-ROM on the main page. I believe it should be Auto,

> if/when I re-install this device.

I don't see why you think it *should* be Auto.

It was only because you had problems we didn't know the cause

behind that i also want to point out that location in the BIOS

Setup as a variable for you to check out. (On my similar

motherboard) I have it set to 'Auto' for all four IDE positions,

so that when i change drives around i don't have to remember to

go there and change anything.

In the end all is well .. well except if you are a Samsung

CD-Drive located in your household and have just been taken off

life-support.

--

Nah-ah. I'm staying out of this. ... Now, here's my opinion.

Please followup in the newsgroup.

E-mail address is invalid due to spam-control.

September 22, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Hello, Glen....

This whole melt-down has been several things to me. It has taught

me to:

--have a backup system in place that works (I had one, but the start-up

disks did not work), and

--make sure that you backup frequently (the backup that finally worked

for me was over a year old).

I have also learned more than I thought I would ever know about such

things as BIOS, jumpers, adjusting my old backup from a dial-up a FiOS

connection, how to get my virus scan working again, remembering to

adjust my time for daylight savings time, etc.. This has been one

humongous learning experience, that I hope to never have to undergo

again. I'm still not finished with the fallout of the melt-down of my

system. I want to remove/replace the 30GB hard drive presently in my

system with the new 120GB hard drive I recently purchased. Then, I

would like to attempt to restore my Acronis backup from my external hard

drive to the internal hard drive. If that is successful, I will be able

to recover lost genealogy and picture files. That is what lies ahead

for me before this melt-down is history.

Well, that is enough about my downers for today. Onward to

responding to your message (see comments below your comments where

appropriate.

Thanks, as always, to you and all of the others who came to my

rescue. I just wish I had a thimbleful of the computer knowledge

others display on this discussion group.

Frog

glee wrote:

> Comments inline.....

> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

> news:uNtgyp9%23HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>>

>>> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

>>> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with Win98SE

>>> that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's ( Dell,

>>> Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued Win98SE CD isn't

>>> bootable.

>

> A RETAIL Win98SE CD is not bootable, but many OEM Win98SE CDs are.

I believe my Win98SE CD is an OEM copy. The only thing on this CD is

Win98SE, and the disk has the following printed on it:

For distribution with a new PC only. For product support, contact the

manufacturer of your PC.

SECOND EDITION

products are licensed to OEMs by Microsoft Licensing Inc., a wholly

owned subsidery of Microsoft Corporation.

0499 Part No. X05 29232

I know that when I put this CD in the system, while in normal Windows

mode, it immediately starts running. The first window is a menu of

things you can do. Does that sound like an OEM copy?

>

>> My mistake on the bootable CD business. I thought the Microsoft-issued

>> Win98SE CD was bootable. How does the software on the Win98SE CD get

>> loaded on to a new computer for the first time?

>

> By using a Win98 Boot floppy with CD-ROM support. Said floppy will have

> the necessary CD drivers on it, and also the needed autoexec.bat and

> config.sys entries to load those drivers. Once booted, the CD drive is

> readable, and the Win98 setup program on it can be run.

Thanks for the education. I was wondering how this worked...it was on

my list of items to research.

>

>> I'm not

>> sure that I have a bootable CD to test my boot process--I will see if

>> one of my friends can help me with such a CD.

>

> You can make one with the help of the download from here:

> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

I will visit this site and make myself a bootable CD. I will be back,

however, if the boot process skips finding it in my Plextor CD device.

>

>>> #2) Important! You write:

>>> "Secondly, the SAMSUNG device is slow and may be on its way to the

>>> grave yard---that is, unless some setting is causing it to be slow.

>>> The technician at the shop (back when I was having the internal hard

>>> drive installed) could not make it work and removed it from the

>>> system. After my meltdown, I reinstalled it, and it has worked

>>> intermittently/and started reading a CD very slowly since that

>>> re-installation."

>>> You have a CD-Drive that was removed because some person couldn't get

>>> it to work, and it is now working only intermittently for you and

>>> with disappearing IDE devices in the Win98 Device Manager depending

>>> on different BIOS settings. ¡Until you have everything else working

>>> fine, remove this device from the equation! Disconnect Data- and

>>> Power-cables from the Samsung Drive. Have only the Plextor CD-Drive,

>>> jumpered as master, as a single device on the second IDE-channel.

>>

>> I disconnected the Samsung device from the equation. The Plextor device

>> is now connected to the end connection on the ribbon cable. I then

>> entered the BIOS and designated the boot sequence to be the floppy,

>> Plextor, and then the hard drive. The computer was then restarted, and

>> no problems were noted in the Device Manager.

>

> I think it is fairly safe to say that the Samsung CD drive is defective,

> and you should remove it and toss it into the nearest trash bin, please.

I have had nothing but troubles with the Samsung CD drive, since this

melt-down started. I have come to the conclusion that I must give up on

making it work and get a new CD device.

>

>>

>> NOTE 1: Although I see no problems in the Device Manager, I'm not sure

>> whether the Plextor is being checked for a CD during the boot process.

>> I do see the yellow light showing on the front of the Plextor device

>> immediately after the computer is powered up. Is this an indicator

>> that it is looking for a bootable CD?

>

> Not necessarily. Most systems will flash the optical drive lights as

> part of the boot process, as the BIOS discovers the hardware upon startup.

I understand.

>

>> NOTE 2: I will start this note with the fact that I haven't yet read the

>> items you you suggested in your message--that will be next on my list.

>> Now to my NOTE 2. Master and Slave on the ribbon cable is where I am a

>> little lost, to say the least. Let me explain. The cable that connects

>> to the Secondary IDE on the motherboard is a 40 connector cable with

>> three connectors (one for the motherboard and two for devices). I am

>> confused about how to know which is Master and which is Slave. Based on

>> the information contained in DadiOH and MEB messages, the end would be

>> the Master--is that correct? The book that came with the motherboard

>> doesn't help with this situation---it talks about blue, gray and black

>> connectors. All of the connectors on my ribbon cable are black.

>

> You will usually only find blue, grey, and black connector combinations

> on the newer 80-wire, 40-pin cables. 40-wire, 40-pin cables will have

> the same color on all three connectors, and it does not particularly

> matter with is used for which device. IOW you can put the master optical

> drive on either connector, likewise the slave. What matters in that

> scenario is that the drives are *jumpered* correctly as master and

> slave. If you have only one device on the cable, it is best to use the

> end connector. For consistency, I use the end connector for master even

> on the olde 40-wire cables, but it isn't necessary or sometimes even

> possible due to case configuration.

Thanks. I think I came to the same conclusion while attempting to make

the boot process work.

>

>> Here is what I found in my motherboard book:

>>

>> Quote

>>

>> Primary (Blue)/Secondary IDE Connectors

>> (40-1 pin PRIMARY ATA100 SECONDARY ATA100)

>> (40-1 pin PRIMARY IDE/SECONDARY IDE)

>> These connectors support the provided IDE hard disk ribbon cables.

>> Connect the cable's blue connector to the motherboard's primary

>> (recommended) or secondary IDE connector, and then connect the

>> corresponding gray connector to your UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66 slave device

>> (hard disk drive) and the black connector to your UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66

>> master device. It is recommended that non-UltraDMA100/UltraDMA66

>> devices be connected to the secondary IDE connector.

>>

>> NOTE: UltraDMA/100 is backward compatible with DMA/66, DMA/33, and DMA

>> and with existing DMA devices and systems, so there is no need to

>> upgrade current EIDE/IDE drives and host systems.

>>

>> Unquote

>>

>> There is more on this page, however, it contains information about

>> installing two hard disks.

>>

>> Well, this information would make better sense if I had a cable with

>> color coded connectors. As I said before, the Primary IDE is connected

>> to the blue Primary IDE terminal on the mother board (I'm sure of this

>> fact). The next connection up the cable is connected to the hard drive,

>> and the end connection is attached to the ZIP-100 device.

>

> As long as the drives are jumpered correctly (hard drive as master, zip

> drive as slave), which connector is for which does not really matter. As

> I said, I *prefer* using the end for the master device, but only for

> consistency. With standard 40-pin IDE cables it does not matter.

>

>> The Secondary

>> IDE is connected to black terminal on the mother board (I'm also sure of

>> this fact). The next connection up the cable is not connected to any

>> device (was previously connected to the Samsung device), and the end

>> connection is attached to the Plextor device. I'm still not sure that

>> things are wired properly. I think they are properly connected (see

>> jumper comments later in this message).

>

> That sounds fine.

>

>>> #3) I don't know if you took apart and rebuilt the hardware in the

>>> aftermath of its 'meltdown',

>>

>> No, I changed nothing inside of my computer except re-placing the

>> 120GB hard drive with the 30GB hard drive. Oh yes, and I added the

>> Samsung CD device back into the system--that device is again

>> disconnected from the system. The only changes I have made in the BIOS

>> was on the MAIN window (i.e., Secondary Master [Auto] - On the second

>> window of this entry, I changed Auto to CD-ROM) and to change the boot

>> sequence on the BOOT window.

>

> Either setting (auto or cd-rom) should work.

Okay.

>

>>> if both CD-Drives perhaps are jumpered as

>>> 'master', but you describe looking inside it now. I would check to

>>> confirm that on each IDE-cable one device was jumpered as master and

>>> one as slave or as master if using only a single device (if you

>>> follow step #2 above).

>>> Does it make any difference which CD device is Master?, you ask.

>>> If you have the newer '80-wire' IDE-cables then see _DadiOH_and _MEB_

>>> , if you have the older '40-wire' cable there are in fact two

>>> different ones behaving differently, but i think the special 'Cable

>>> Select Cable' is uncommon.

>>

>> The above instructions are at the edge of my technical knowledge. Here

>> is what I have learned about jumpering:

>>

>> 30GB hard drive:

>> Seagate U Series 5 - Model: 8T330621A

>> Presently set up as Master or single drive.

>> Other options are: Drive is a Slave, Master with non-ATA compatible

>> slave, and Enables cable select.

>

> Good.

>

>> ZIP-100 drive

>> Presently set up as Slave.

>> Other options are: Master and Cable Select.

>

> Good.

>

>> The Samsung CD device (not presently connected to the system) is set up

>> as Slave.

>

> Send this drive to the landfill or recycle it if possible.

>

>> The Plextor CD device is set up as Master.

>

> Good.

Thanks for confirming these settings were correct. I can now move on to

other tasks on my list. By the way, is there another way of knowing how

each piece of equipment is jumpered short of removing it and looking at

its case? I know how to do that for the Western Digital hard drives

based on the web page you included in your message.

>

>> NOTE: The 120GB hard drive that was in my computer, when I arrived home

>> from the computer store, does not display a setup plan. It is a Western

>> Digital model WD1200BB-23RDAO product. I looked at another Western

>> Digital hard drive (not the same model number), and, if both settings

>> are the same for both hard drives, it was set as Master (center two pins

>> jumpered). The hard drive that was originally in this system, when it

>> was originally assembled, was jumpered as a Slave. The ZIP-100 and the

>> Plextor devices were added later, so that probably changed the jumpers

>> at that time. Now, that is what I learned as I was living at the edge

>> of my technical knowledge. Hope that responds to the comments made in

>> your message....

>

> Western Digital jumper settings:

> http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=84&p_created=1005005461&p_sid=hrk1JdMi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MzQyLDM0MiZwX3Byb2RzPSZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9JnBfY3Y9JnBfc2VhcmNoX3R5cGU9c2VhcmNoX2ZubCZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWp1bXBlciBzZXR0aW5ncw**&p_li=&p_topview=1

Thanks for telling me about this web page--very useful information on

this and other pages.

>

>>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS.html>

>>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80.html>

>>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable.html>

>>

>> I will read these ASAP.

>>

>>> ( Maybe i've just been lucky but for me IDE devices have 'worked'

>>> with the master in the middle or at the end, alone or with a slave,

>>> using the standard 40-wire cables. )

>>

>> My Secondary IDE employs a 40-wire cable harness, while the primary is

>> an 80 wire cable. I moved the Plextor on the Secondary IDE (with no

>> Samsung device involved) from one plug to the other and noticed no

>> change whatsoever. Thus, I don't think the plug connected to a device

>> makes a difference (my limited technical knowledge speaking). It must

>> be the jumpers that make the difference.

>

> Yep, if you are using a standard 40-conductor IDE cable.

Makes me feel good that I got this one right.....

>

>> snip

>> The HHD ST330621A is shown on the Main page as the Primary Master with

>> Type Auto. I looked up what Auto means in the motherboard book, and

>> here is what I found:

>> snip

>> The above makes me wonder if I was right in changing the Samsung Device

>> from Auto to CD-ROM on the main page. I believe it should be Auto,

>> if/when I re-install this device.

>

> The Samsung should be outside in the bin already. AFAIK either Auto or

> CD-ROM would work here. Try Auto, when you get a replacement drive for

> the dead one.

Okay.

>

>>> #5) Make sure you are using a Bootable CD and try again to change the

>>> BIOS settings to have 'ATAPI CD-ROM' before 'IDE Hard Drive'.

>>

>> I believe you are telling me to put the Plextor in a position above the

>> IDE Hard Drive--is that correct? If so, that is where it is; and no

>> problems appear in the Device Manager. It seems that my problems with

>> Device Manager start, when the Samsung device is added to the system.

>>

>> I will try to find a disk that will test the CD device during startup.

>>>

>> snip of older message

September 22, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

Frog wrote:

....snip

| glee wrote:

|> Comments inline.....

|> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

|> news:uNtgyp9%23HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

|>>

|>>> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

|>>> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with

|>>> Win98SE that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's

|>>> ( Dell, Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued

|>>> Win98SE CD isn't bootable.

|>

|> A RETAIL Win98SE CD is not bootable, but many OEM Win98SE CDs are.

|

| I believe my Win98SE CD is an OEM copy. The only thing on this CD is

| Win98SE, and the disk has the following printed on it:

|

| For distribution with a new PC only.

Mine is bootable (actually it is a two CD set), & both say: "For

distribution only with a Compaq PC". There is a big list of model

numbers on them too. Nowhere do I see the acronym "OEM".

| For product support, contact the

| manufacturer of your PC.

| SECOND EDITION

| products are licensed to OEMs by Microsoft Licensing Inc., a wholly

| owned subsidery of Microsoft Corporation.

| 0499 Part No. X05 29232

MS is on mine holding a partial copyright, but still not the acronym

"OEM".

| I know that when I put this CD in the system, while in normal Windows

| mode, it immediately starts running. The first window is a menu of

| things you can do. Does that sound like an OEM copy?

Mine won't do that. It just spins up & is accessible to Explorer. I

believe you must have an Autorun.inf on yours, which I don't. Here is my

full root directory. I am guessing the presence of the "BOOT*" .bin's &

..klk is what makes mine bootable...

W:\>dir /a /on

Volume in drive W is I3006Q15CD0

Volume Serial Number is D0F9-CFDF

Directory of W:\

BIN <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p BIN

BOM <DIR> 12-07-99 6:48p BOM

BOOTCAT BIN 2,048 05-15-97 4:45p BOOTCAT.BIN

BOOTSECT BIN 1,474,560 11-17-99 3:57p BOOTSECT.BIN

BOOTSECT KLK 1,474,560 10-27-99 8:24p BOOTSECT.KLK

CD INI 43 12-08-99 2:22a CD.INI

COPYTOD <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a COPYTOD

CPQDRV <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a CPQDRV

CPQS <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p CPQS

DATA <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p DATA

IMG INI 32 12-08-99 2:22a IMG.INI

LFS TXT 8 12-08-99 3:00a LFS.TXT

QRIA <DIR> 11-24-99 5:42p QRIA

6 file(s) 2,951,251 bytes

7 dir(s) 0 bytes free

....snip

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

September 24, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

PCR,

I was going to send you a dir of my Win98SE CD, but I can't figure

out how to make this happen. Can you enlighten me on how to make this

happen? By the way, my CD device is drive D.

Also, while I am talking about things I don't know how to do, is

there some method for printing out a copy of the BIOS settings? If so,

I can't figure that one out either.

Thanks,

Frog

PCR wrote:

> Frog wrote:

> ...snip

> | glee wrote:

> |> Comments inline.....

> |> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

> |> news:uNtgyp9%23HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> |>>

> |>>> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

> |>>> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with

> |>>> Win98SE that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's

> |>>> ( Dell, Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued

> |>>> Win98SE CD isn't bootable.

> |>

> |> A RETAIL Win98SE CD is not bootable, but many OEM Win98SE CDs are.

> |

> | I believe my Win98SE CD is an OEM copy. The only thing on this CD is

> | Win98SE, and the disk has the following printed on it:

> |

> | For distribution with a new PC only.

>

> Mine is bootable (actually it is a two CD set), & both say: "For

> distribution only with a Compaq PC". There is a big list of model

> numbers on them too. Nowhere do I see the acronym "OEM".

>

> | For product support, contact the

> | manufacturer of your PC.

> | SECOND EDITION

> | products are licensed to OEMs by Microsoft Licensing Inc., a wholly

> | owned subsidery of Microsoft Corporation.

> | 0499 Part No. X05 29232

>

> MS is on mine holding a partial copyright, but still not the acronym

> "OEM".

>

> | I know that when I put this CD in the system, while in normal Windows

> | mode, it immediately starts running. The first window is a menu of

> | things you can do. Does that sound like an OEM copy?

>

> Mine won't do that. It just spins up & is accessible to Explorer. I

> believe you must have an Autorun.inf on yours, which I don't. Here is my

> full root directory. I am guessing the presence of the "BOOT*" .bin's &

> .klk is what makes mine bootable...

>

> W:\>dir /a /on

> Volume in drive W is I3006Q15CD0

> Volume Serial Number is D0F9-CFDF

> Directory of W:\

>

> BIN <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p BIN

> BOM <DIR> 12-07-99 6:48p BOM

> BOOTCAT BIN 2,048 05-15-97 4:45p BOOTCAT.BIN

> BOOTSECT BIN 1,474,560 11-17-99 3:57p BOOTSECT.BIN

> BOOTSECT KLK 1,474,560 10-27-99 8:24p BOOTSECT.KLK

> CD INI 43 12-08-99 2:22a CD.INI

> COPYTOD <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a COPYTOD

> CPQDRV <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a CPQDRV

> CPQS <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p CPQS

> DATA <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p DATA

> IMG INI 32 12-08-99 2:22a IMG.INI

> LFS TXT 8 12-08-99 3:00a LFS.TXT

> QRIA <DIR> 11-24-99 5:42p QRIA

> 6 file(s) 2,951,251 bytes

> 7 dir(s) 0 bytes free

>

> ...snip

September 24, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

I decided to take most of the weekend off and away from this

computer...what an unbelievable and fatiguing process this has been for

me. I think my 30GB hard drive is working again, and that makes me very

happy...so happy, in fact, that I made a new image of my hard drive

using Image for DOS. I know that I will likely be back to this

discussion group, as I attempt to recover my data from the 120GB

external hard drive back to my internal 120GB hard drive. Make no

mistake, I will have my 30GB hard drive, the one that we have been

repairing, out of the system when I start this process. Yes, I will

make sure that it is set up as a master on the cable as is my 30GB hard

drive.

I want to end this thread with a big thank-you to you and all of

the others who responded to my call for help. You all are a great group

of people.

Frog

.... et al. wrote:

> Frog wrote:

>

>> ... et al. wrote:

>>

>>> #1) Futile exercise?

>>

>> I'm starting to think that it may be a futile exercise--I hope not,

>> though.

>

> Trying to boot from the CD you were trying to boot from, perhaps.

> Getting your working IDE Devices to work right in Win98SE and allowing

> you to configure the BIOS to allow you to boot from a CD .. i think,

> that by removing the malworking Samsung-Drive, you've accomplished that

> already.

> I'll just make a few comments, since we have glee's response.

>

> [snip]

>

>>> You have a CD-Drive that was removed because some person couldn't get

>>> it to work, and it is now working only intermittently for you and

>>> with disappearing IDE devices in the Win98 Device Manager depending

>>> on different BIOS settings. ¡Until you have everything else working

>>> fine, remove this device from the equation! Disconnect Data- and

>>> Power-cables from the Samsung Drive. Have only the Plextor CD-Drive,

>>> jumpered as master, as a single device on the second IDE-channel.

>>

>> I disconnected the Samsung device from the equation. The Plextor device

>> is now connected to the end connection on the ribbon cable. I then

>> entered the BIOS and designated the boot sequence to be the floppy,

>> Plextor, and then the hard drive. The computer was then restarted, and

>> no problems were noted in the Device Manager.

>

> See, this was all it took. And i think that if you try booting with a

> bootable CD now, that this should work.

>

> [snip]

>

>>>

>>> #3) I don't know if you took apart and rebuilt the hardware in the

>>> aftermath of its 'meltdown',

>>

>> No, I changed nothing inside of my computer except re-placing the

>> 120GB hard drive with the 30GB hard drive. Oh yes, and I added the

>> Samsung CD device back into the system--that device is again

>> disconnected from the system.

>

> [snip]

>

>> The Samsung CD device (not presently connected to the system) is set up

>> as Slave.

>>

>> The Plextor CD device is set up as Master.

>

> This was the important stuff. I thought there was a risk you had had

> first one CD player in the machine alone and then the other, and that

> both were still jumpered as master when you now tried to use them

> together on the same IDE channel. Fine..

>

>> NOTE: The 120GB hard drive that was in my computer, when I arrived home

>> from the computer store, does not display a setup plan. It is a Western

>> Digital model WD1200BB-23RDAO product. I looked at another Western

>> Digital hard drive (not the same model number), and, if both settings

>> are the same for both hard drives, it was set as Master (center two pins

>> jumpered).

>

> Glee posted a link for jumper-settings for Western Digital branded HDD.

> For the time when you put yours back in some machine, i just want to

> stress that how to jumper these differs from most other brands of HDD's

> in that there is one Jumper-setting when used as slave, and *two*

> different one when used as master. One when there is a slave-device

> present and another jumper-setting when there is no Slave-device present

> on that IDE-channel.

>

>>

>>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCS.html>

>>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable80.html>

>>> <http://www.storagereview.com/guide2000/ref/hdd/if/ide/confCable.html>

>>

>> I will read these ASAP.

>

> For most of the questions you asked in your post, concerning cables,

> master and slave positions, the things that i've snipped, i suggest that

> you read the texts on the links i posted, look at the pictures there and

> compare that information with you own hardware. You will know as much

> about these things as i do.

>

> [snip]

>

>>

>> The HHD ST330621A is shown on the Main page as the Primary Master with

>> Type Auto. I looked up what Auto means in the motherboard book, and

>> here is what I found:

>>

>> Quote

>>

>> Type [Auto]

>> Select [Auto] to automatically detect an IDE hard disk drive. If

>> automatic detection is successful, the correct values will be filled in

>> for the remaining fields on the sub-menu. If automatic detection fails,

>> your hard disk drive may be too old or too new. You can try updating

>> your BIOS or enter the IDE hard disk drive parameters manually.

>>

>> Unquote

>>

>> The above makes me wonder if I was right in changing the Samsung Device

>> from Auto to CD-ROM on the main page. I believe it should be Auto,

>> if/when I re-install this device.

>

> I don't see why you think it *should* be Auto.

> It was only because you had problems we didn't know the cause behind

> that i also want to point out that location in the BIOS Setup as a

> variable for you to check out. (On my similar motherboard) I have it set

> to 'Auto' for all four IDE positions, so that when i change drives

> around i don't have to remember to go there and change anything.

>

> In the end all is well .. well except if you are a Samsung CD-Drive

> located in your household and have just been taken off life-support.

>

September 24, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

I believe Karenware.com has a utility to print directory info. Something like ptdirprn.exe

Galen

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message news:etF%23bOk$HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> PCR,

>

> I was going to send you a dir of my Win98SE CD, but I can't figure

> out how to make this happen. Can you enlighten me on how to make this

> happen? By the way, my CD device is drive D.

>

> Also, while I am talking about things I don't know how to do, is

> there some method for printing out a copy of the BIOS settings? If so,

> I can't figure that one out either.

>

> Thanks,

> Frog

>

> PCR wrote:

> > Frog wrote:

> > ...snip

> > | glee wrote:

> > |> Comments inline.....

> > |> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

> > |> news:uNtgyp9%23HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > |>>

> > |>>> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

> > |>>> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with

> > |>>> Win98SE that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's

> > |>>> ( Dell, Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued

> > |>>> Win98SE CD isn't bootable.

> > |>

> > |> A RETAIL Win98SE CD is not bootable, but many OEM Win98SE CDs are.

> > |

> > | I believe my Win98SE CD is an OEM copy. The only thing on this CD is

> > | Win98SE, and the disk has the following printed on it:

> > |

> > | For distribution with a new PC only.

> >

> > Mine is bootable (actually it is a two CD set), & both say: "For

> > distribution only with a Compaq PC". There is a big list of model

> > numbers on them too. Nowhere do I see the acronym "OEM".

> >

> > | For product support, contact the

> > | manufacturer of your PC.

> > | SECOND EDITION

> > | products are licensed to OEMs by Microsoft Licensing Inc., a wholly

> > | owned subsidery of Microsoft Corporation.

> > | 0499 Part No. X05 29232

> >

> > MS is on mine holding a partial copyright, but still not the acronym

> > "OEM".

> >

> > | I know that when I put this CD in the system, while in normal Windows

> > | mode, it immediately starts running. The first window is a menu of

> > | things you can do. Does that sound like an OEM copy?

> >

> > Mine won't do that. It just spins up & is accessible to Explorer. I

> > believe you must have an Autorun.inf on yours, which I don't. Here is my

> > full root directory. I am guessing the presence of the "BOOT*" .bin's &

> > .klk is what makes mine bootable...

> >

> > W:\>dir /a /on

> > Volume in drive W is I3006Q15CD0

> > Volume Serial Number is D0F9-CFDF

> > Directory of W:\

> >

> > BIN <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p BIN

> > BOM <DIR> 12-07-99 6:48p BOM

> > BOOTCAT BIN 2,048 05-15-97 4:45p BOOTCAT.BIN

> > BOOTSECT BIN 1,474,560 11-17-99 3:57p BOOTSECT.BIN

> > BOOTSECT KLK 1,474,560 10-27-99 8:24p BOOTSECT.KLK

> > CD INI 43 12-08-99 2:22a CD.INI

> > COPYTOD <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a COPYTOD

> > CPQDRV <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a CPQDRV

> > CPQS <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p CPQS

> > DATA <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p DATA

> > IMG INI 32 12-08-99 2:22a IMG.INI

> > LFS TXT 8 12-08-99 3:00a LFS.TXT

> > QRIA <DIR> 11-24-99 5:42p QRIA

> > 6 file(s) 2,951,251 bytes

> > 7 dir(s) 0 bytes free

> >

> > ...snip

September 24, 2007

Re: CD Player Questions

There are directory printing utilities out there....I've never used one.

Galen is referring to this freeware:

Karen's Directory Printer

http://www.karenware.com/powertools/ptdirprn.asp

I use the simpler method below.

Open an DOS window (Start> Programs> MS-DOS Prompt), and switch to the CD drive

while the disc is in the drive, then type the necessary DIR commands to export a

directory listing to a text file.

Since your CD drive is D:, let's make the text file on your Desktop (assuming the

default of C:\Windows\Desktop is what you are using).

At the command prompt, and with the CD in the drive, type the following and press

Enter after each line:

D:

DIR /a /ogn > c:\windows\desktop\dir.txt

That will give a text file with the directory listing for the root of the disc in

the drive. If you want all the sub-folders and their contents included, type this

instead:

D:

DIR /a /ogn /s > c:\windows\desktop\fulldir.txt

As for the BIOS settings, unless your BIOS setup has a specific option to print, it

is not always possible, particularly with newer USB printers that just won't work

without Windows running. I was able to get my much older parallel printer to print

my BIOS screens in an unformatted manner years ago, by pressing the PrintScreen key

on the keyboard while at each screen. Most newer printers won't be able to do that.

The simplest alternative is often to photograph each BIOS screen with a digital

camera, and save the photos as jpg files.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

http://dts-l.org/

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

"Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

news:etF%23bOk$HHA.4476@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> PCR,

>

> I was going to send you a dir of my Win98SE CD, but I can't figure out how to

> make this happen. Can you enlighten me on how to make this happen? By the way,

> my CD device is drive D.

>

> Also, while I am talking about things I don't know how to do, is there some

> method for printing out a copy of the BIOS settings? If so, I can't figure that

> one out either.

>

> Thanks,

> Frog

>

> PCR wrote:

>> Frog wrote:

>> ...snip

>> | glee wrote:

>> |> Comments inline.....

>> |> "Frog" <frog@pond.com> wrote in message

>> |> news:uNtgyp9%23HHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> |>>

>> |>>> Is the CD you are trying to boot from even

>> |>>> bootable? Unlike their WinXP CDs, and many 'Restore' CDs with

>> |>>> Win98SE that comes with 'Brand Name' machines from so called OEM's

>> |>>> ( Dell, Siemens, Acer, Compaq, etc... ), a microsoft-issued

>> |>>> Win98SE CD isn't bootable.

>> |>

>> |> A RETAIL Win98SE CD is not bootable, but many OEM Win98SE CDs are.

>> |

>> | I believe my Win98SE CD is an OEM copy. The only thing on this CD is

>> | Win98SE, and the disk has the following printed on it:

>> |

>> | For distribution with a new PC only.

>>

>> Mine is bootable (actually it is a two CD set), & both say: "For

>> distribution only with a Compaq PC". There is a big list of model

>> numbers on them too. Nowhere do I see the acronym "OEM".

>>

>> | For product support, contact the

>> | manufacturer of your PC.

>> | SECOND EDITION

>> | products are licensed to OEMs by Microsoft Licensing Inc., a wholly

>> | owned subsidery of Microsoft Corporation.

>> | 0499 Part No. X05 29232

>>

>> MS is on mine holding a partial copyright, but still not the acronym

>> "OEM".

>>

>> | I know that when I put this CD in the system, while in normal Windows

>> | mode, it immediately starts running. The first window is a menu of

>> | things you can do. Does that sound like an OEM copy?

>>

>> Mine won't do that. It just spins up & is accessible to Explorer. I

>> believe you must have an Autorun.inf on yours, which I don't. Here is my

>> full root directory. I am guessing the presence of the "BOOT*" .bin's &

>> .klk is what makes mine bootable...

>>

>> W:\>dir /a /on

>> Volume in drive W is I3006Q15CD0

>> Volume Serial Number is D0F9-CFDF

>> Directory of W:\

>>

>> BIN <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p BIN

>> BOM <DIR> 12-07-99 6:48p BOM

>> BOOTCAT BIN 2,048 05-15-97 4:45p BOOTCAT.BIN

>> BOOTSECT BIN 1,474,560 11-17-99 3:57p BOOTSECT.BIN

>> BOOTSECT KLK 1,474,560 10-27-99 8:24p BOOTSECT.KLK

>> CD INI 43 12-08-99 2:22a CD.INI

>> COPYTOD <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a COPYTOD

>> CPQDRV <DIR> 12-08-99 2:27a CPQDRV

>> CPQS <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p CPQS

>> DATA <DIR> 12-07-99 6:02p DATA

>> IMG INI 32 12-08-99 2:22a IMG.INI

>> LFS TXT 8 12-08-99 3:00a LFS.TXT

>> QRIA <DIR> 11-24-99 5:42p QRIA

>> 6 file(s) 2,951,251 bytes

>> 7 dir(s) 0 bytes free

>>

>> ...snip

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