Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

[Guest Joe Murphy]

I'm looking to add 5 CALs to my TS and when I go into the TS Licensing

utility, I see my DC (which is the only TS server in my environment) and

it reads

 

Product: Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per

device)

 

Type: Built-in

 

Total: Unlimited

 

Available: Unlimited

 

Issued: 0

 

So, what does this mean? I have unlimited TS CALs? (I don't think so.) Is

there a number of CALs that come with Windows Server? I don't want to

purchase TS CALs that I don't need.

 

Right now we are using Remote Desktop for Administration, which allows

just two concurrent connections. Do I need to uninstall that before

bringing up TS? How does the OS differentiate between RDC for Admin and a

TS session? Two entirely different animals?

 

Thanks,

JM

[Guest Ratnesh Yadav [MSFT]]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

> So, what does this mean? I have unlimited TS CALs? (I don't think so.) Is

> there a number of CALs that come with Windows Server? I don't want to

> purchase TS CALs that I don't need.

[Ratnesh] These are Temporary CAL's. These CAL's allow users to connect to

TS until TS grace period expires.

You are required to purchase CAL's for accessing the server.

 

For more info

TSLS CAL's please check

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/822134

 

TS grace period

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/b636ddce-9f85-44a5-9c25-a9e827a9ac241033.mspx?mfr=true

 

Terminal Server License Server you can check,

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/technologies/featured/termserv/tslicensing.mspx

> Right now we are using Remote Desktop for Administration, which allows

> just two concurrent connections. Do I need to uninstall that before

> bringing up TS? How does the OS differentiate between RDC for Admin and a

> TS session? Two entirely different animals?

 

[Ratnesh] Well When you said Uninstalling, I am assuming you mean

uninstalling "Remote Desktop".

In that case answer is NO, you just need to install Terminal Server (TS) and

you are good to go.

 

For installing TS you can check following link

http://technet2.microsoft.com/windowsserver/en/library/f5b32b0d-fddf-4fb3-bb58-ac4195d767de1033.mspx?mfr=true

[Guest Hank Arnold (MVP)]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

Joe Murphy wrote:

> I'm looking to add 5 CALs to my TS and when I go into the TS Licensing

> utility, I see my DC (which is the only TS server in my environment) and

> it reads

>

> Product: Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per

> device)

>

> Type: Built-in

>

> Total: Unlimited

>

> Available: Unlimited

>

> Issued: 0

>

> So, what does this mean? I have unlimited TS CALs? (I don't think so.) Is

> there a number of CALs that come with Windows Server? I don't want to

> purchase TS CALs that I don't need.

>

> Right now we are using Remote Desktop for Administration, which allows

> just two concurrent connections. Do I need to uninstall that before

> bringing up TS? How does the OS differentiate between RDC for Admin and a

> TS session? Two entirely different animals?

>

> Thanks,

> JM

 

I'm a bit confused.. ;-) The subject says "Server 2003" but you talk

about "2000 Server" in the body.

 

Windows 2000 server provided free licenses to clients with Windows 200

or XP as the OS.

 

Windows 2003 requires a user or device license regardless of the OS

installed.

 

--

 

Regards,

Hank Arnold

Microsoft MVP

Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest Joe Murphy]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

Hank,

 

It is "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per

device)" like I said. But this is on a Windows 2003 Server. I'm guessing

that they did an in-place upgrade of this server from 2000 to 2003 at some

point. I'm new to this company and some stuff was done prior to my being

here that was not tracked effectively. :(

 

JM

 

"Hank Arnold (MVP)" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote in message

news:ejgX6IR%23HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Joe Murphy wrote:

>> I'm looking to add 5 CALs to my TS and when I go into the TS Licensing

>> utility, I see my DC (which is the only TS server in my environment) and

>> it reads

>>

>> Product: Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per

>> device)

>>

>> Type: Built-in

>>

>> Total: Unlimited

>>

>> Available: Unlimited

>>

>> Issued: 0

>>

>> So, what does this mean? I have unlimited TS CALs? (I don't think so.) Is

>> there a number of CALs that come with Windows Server? I don't want to

>> purchase TS CALs that I don't need.

>>

>> Right now we are using Remote Desktop for Administration, which allows

>> just two concurrent connections. Do I need to uninstall that before

>> bringing up TS? How does the OS differentiate between RDC for Admin and a

>> TS session? Two entirely different animals?

>>

>> Thanks,

>> JM

>

> I'm a bit confused.. ;-) The subject says "Server 2003" but you talk about

> "2000 Server" in the body.

>

> Windows 2000 server provided free licenses to clients with Windows 200 or

> XP as the OS.

>

> Windows 2003 requires a user or device license regardless of the OS

> installed.

>

> --

>

> Regards,

> Hank Arnold

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

No, it's not caused by an upgrade.

Every Windows 2003 TS Licensing Server contains the "Existing

Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per device)"

pool of free TS CALs, simply because a 2003 TS LS can serve as a TS

LS for both W2K and 2003 Terminal Servers. It's backwards

compatible.

 

BUT: these licenses are only used when a W2K pro or XP Pro client

connects to a W2K TS. So if your TS runs 2003, you cannot use these

licenses.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

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"Joe Murphy" <spam@spamthis.com> wrote on 17 sep 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> Hank,

>

> It is "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL

> Token (per device)" like I said. But this is on a Windows 2003

> Server. I'm guessing that they did an in-place upgrade of this

> server from 2000 to 2003 at some point. I'm new to this company

> and some stuff was done prior to my being here that was not

> tracked effectively. :(

>

> JM

>

> "Hank Arnold (MVP)" <rasilon@aol.com> wrote in message

> news:ejgX6IR%23HHA.3800@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> Joe Murphy wrote:

>>> I'm looking to add 5 CALs to my TS and when I go into the TS

>>> Licensing utility, I see my DC (which is the only TS server in

>>> my environment) and it reads

>>>

>>> Product: Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL

>>> Token (per device)

>>>

>>> Type: Built-in

>>>

>>> Total: Unlimited

>>>

>>> Available: Unlimited

>>>

>>> Issued: 0

>>>

>>> So, what does this mean? I have unlimited TS CALs? (I don't

>>> think so.) Is there a number of CALs that come with Windows

>>> Server? I don't want to purchase TS CALs that I don't need.

>>>

>>> Right now we are using Remote Desktop for Administration,

>>> which allows just two concurrent connections. Do I need to

>>> uninstall that before bringing up TS? How does the OS

>>> differentiate between RDC for Admin and a TS session? Two

>>> entirely different animals?

>>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> JM

>>

>> I'm a bit confused.. ;-) The subject says "Server 2003" but you

>> talk about "2000 Server" in the body.

>>

>> Windows 2000 server provided free licenses to clients with

>> Windows 200 or XP as the OS.

>>

>> Windows 2003 requires a user or device license regardless of

>> the OS installed.

>>

>> --

>>

>> Regards,

>> Hank Arnold

>> Microsoft MVP

>> Windows Server - Directory Services

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

"Ratnesh Yadav [MSFT]" <ratneshyadav@hotmail.com> wrote on 17 sep

2007 in microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>> So, what does this mean? I have unlimited TS CALs? (I don't

>> think so.) Is there a number of CALs that come with Windows

>> Server? I don't want to purchase TS CALs that I don't need.

>

> [Ratnesh] These are Temporary CAL's. These CAL's allow users to

> connect to TS until TS grace period expires.

 

That's not correct, Ratnesh.

The "Existing Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per

device)" pool of free TS CALs is present on every 2003 TS Licensing

Server, because a 2003 TS LS can serve as a TS LS for both W2K and

2003 Terminal Servers.

 

These licenses are permanent licenses, which are issued for free to

W2K Pro or XP Pro client, *when they connect to a W2K TS*.

 

When clients connect to a 2003 TS and there are no permanent licenses

in the TS Licensing Server, a "Temporary 2003 Per Device TS CAL" is

issued.

 

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

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[Guest jpifer]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

I'm jumping in on some else's thread here, but I believe it's relavent. I'm

in the middle of bringing up a new 2003 TS License Server to replace our 2000

TS License Server. Here are my questions:

 

1) Once this new 2003 server is activated as a License Server I can point

all my 2000 TS servers to it for licensing 2000 Pro and XP clients without

doing anything special to the installation? (Really I'm planning on using the

same IP address so the current TS servers will not need a change)

 

2) I have 500 TS Cals for 2000 TS that I'll need to move to this new server.

My understanding is I need to call the MS Clearing House to do this. Is that

correct?

 

3) Is there anything else I'm missing in the upgrade/migration?

 

Just for background, we're current using 2000 TS servers. I need the 2003

license server to handle both 2000 and 2003 TS License Requests as we start

to bring 2003 TS servers up.

 

Thanks,

James

 

"Vera Noest [MVP]" wrote:

> No, it's not caused by an upgrade.

> Every Windows 2003 TS Licensing Server contains the "Existing

> Windows 2000 Server - Terminal Services CAL Token (per device)"

> pool of free TS CALs, simply because a 2003 TS LS can serve as a TS

> LS for both W2K and 2003 Terminal Servers. It's backwards

> compatible.

>

> BUT: these licenses are only used when a W2K pro or XP Pro client

> connects to a W2K TS. So if your TS runs 2003, you cannot use these

> licenses.

>

[Guest TP]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

Hi James,

 

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. After the switchover, monitor the event logs of your TS

servers as well as the licensing server to make sure that

things are okay. You may want to test logging in from

machines that don't already have TS licenses just to see

that one is issued to them.

 

Please note that clients connecting to a 2003 TS server

will need a purchased 2003 TS CAL as well as a purchased

windows 2003 CAL.

 

-TP

 

jpifer wrote:

> I'm jumping in on some else's thread here, but I believe it's

> relavent. I'm in the middle of bringing up a new 2003 TS License

> Server to replace our 2000 TS License Server. Here are my questions:

>

> 1) Once this new 2003 server is activated as a License Server I can

> point all my 2000 TS servers to it for licensing 2000 Pro and XP

> clients without doing anything special to the installation? (Really

> I'm planning on using the same IP address so the current TS servers

> will not need a change)

>

> 2) I have 500 TS Cals for 2000 TS that I'll need to move to this new

> server. My understanding is I need to call the MS Clearing House to

> do this. Is that correct?

>

> 3) Is there anything else I'm missing in the upgrade/migration?

>

> Just for background, we're current using 2000 TS servers. I need the

> 2003 license server to handle both 2000 and 2003 TS License Requests

> as we start to bring 2003 TS servers up.

>

> Thanks,

> James

[Guest jpifer]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

So if I have a Windows 2000 Pro OR a Vista Business machine that wants to

connect to TS on 2003 I know I need a TSCAL. I ALSO have to buy a regular

2003 server CAL? So I'm buying TWO CALs? I thought all I needed was a TSCAL.

 

Thanks,

James

 

"TP" wrote:

> Hi James,

>

> 1. Yes

> 2. Yes

> 3. After the switchover, monitor the event logs of your TS

> servers as well as the licensing server to make sure that

> things are okay. You may want to test logging in from

> machines that don't already have TS licenses just to see

> that one is issued to them.

>

> Please note that clients connecting to a 2003 TS server

> will need a purchased 2003 TS CAL as well as a purchased

> windows 2003 CAL.

>

> -TP

>

> jpifer wrote:

> > I'm jumping in on some else's thread here, but I believe it's

> > relavent. I'm in the middle of bringing up a new 2003 TS License

> > Server to replace our 2000 TS License Server. Here are my questions:

> >

> > 1) Once this new 2003 server is activated as a License Server I can

> > point all my 2000 TS servers to it for licensing 2000 Pro and XP

> > clients without doing anything special to the installation? (Really

> > I'm planning on using the same IP address so the current TS servers

> > will not need a change)

> >

> > 2) I have 500 TS Cals for 2000 TS that I'll need to move to this new

> > server. My understanding is I need to call the MS Clearing House to

> > do this. Is that correct?

> >

> > 3) Is there anything else I'm missing in the upgrade/migration?

> >

> > Just for background, we're current using 2000 TS servers. I need the

> > 2003 license server to handle both 2000 and 2003 TS License Requests

> > as we start to bring 2003 TS servers up.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > James

>

[Guest TP]

Re: Are there any TS CALs that come with Windows Server 2003?

 

If you already own a 2003 windows CAL for each user/device

then you don't have to purchase it again. See here:

 

Licensing Terminal Server in Windows Server 2003 R2

 

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/ts2003.mspx

 

-TP

 

jpifer wrote:

> So if I have a Windows 2000 Pro OR a Vista Business machine that

> wants to connect to TS on 2003 I know I need a TSCAL. I ALSO have to

> buy a regular 2003 server CAL? So I'm buying TWO CALs? I thought all

> I needed was a TSCAL.

>

> Thanks,

> James