Guest ScottShell Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 Something really weird is happening that I have never seen before after years of using XP Home/Pro. This is a brand new install of XP Pro on a completely formatted HDD that I have been using for about 2 weeks now. I've been migrating stuff from my previous XP Pro which resides on my 2nd HDD (the 1st HDD is much more capacious, hence why I'm doing this). In the Explorer window the Standard Buttons bar has gone MIA. I used to have it but it mysteriously disappeared. I can't for the life of me recall what I was doing between the time it worked and didn't work. I am able to temporalily turn it back on but it goes away again when I close and reopen a window. "Lock the Toolbars" is not checked. #1. Open Explorer (there is only one window open). #2. Right click in a blank area of the toolbar and select *any* choice from the popup. Nothing happens, *no* bar will change state and no check will change in the popup. #3. Click View from the Menu bar and select Toolbars - [any bar] (including Standard Buttons) and they work as expected. From this point on I am able to repeat #2 and it works as it should. All is well. #4. Close and reopen Explorer. Standard Buttons is gone again. All other bars remain visible and in the position I put them in previously, no problems with them. Even RoboForm (pwd manager bar) works just fine, and retains its show/hide state just like all the other toolbars except Standard Buttons. I've been using RoboForm for months with no problems, and using the current version, so it isn't that. #5. I have tried rebooting many times after trying many things - nothing. I have tried Tools - Folder Options - View - Restore Defaults. Nothing. I have tried "Reset All Folders". Nothing. BTW, View - Go To - [back, forward, up one level] works so at least I have some way of navigating. Hotkeys also work thank goodness. I can drill down a few folders, and alt + left arrow, alt + right arrow to get around. I had the Google toolbar installed until this problem came up. It worked great previously in IE and Explorer. Now I could not get it to show at all in Explorer, not even temporarily, whereas I *can* show Standard Buttons - until I reopen. I uninstalled Google toolbar. Standard Buttons is stilled fubar. There's got to be a simple fix and I hope to high heaven I won't have to wipe the disk and start all over. Please help - I will send cookies. TIA, Scott XP Pro SP2 all patched up IE 7 all patched up Full Windows Defender scan with current definitions; no problems
Guest ScottShell Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 RE: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. EDIT I discovered that I can right click a folder and select Explore. I get the folder tree on the left side which helps greatly with navigation, but everything mentioned above is still applicable. Scott
Guest Rey Santos Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 RE: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. See if this helps: Menu bar/Toolbar Missing in Windows Explorer and/or Internet Explorer http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555130 -- Rey "ScottShell" wrote: > Something really weird is happening that I have never seen before after years > of using XP Home/Pro. This is a brand new install of XP Pro on a completely > formatted HDD that I have been using for about 2 weeks now. I've been > migrating stuff from my previous XP Pro which resides on my 2nd HDD (the 1st > HDD is much more capacious, hence why I'm doing this). > > In the Explorer window the Standard Buttons bar has gone MIA. I used to > have it but it mysteriously disappeared. I can't for the life of me recall > what I was doing between the time it worked and didn't work. I am able to > temporalily turn it back on but it goes away again when I close and reopen a > window. "Lock the Toolbars" is not checked. > > #1. Open Explorer (there is only one window open). > #2. Right click in a blank area of the toolbar and select *any* choice from > the popup. Nothing happens, *no* bar will change state and no check will > change in the popup. > #3. Click View from the Menu bar and select Toolbars - [any bar] (including > Standard Buttons) and they work as expected. From this point on I am able to > repeat #2 and it works as it should. All is well. > #4. Close and reopen Explorer. Standard Buttons is gone again. All other > bars remain visible and in the position I put them in previously, no problems > with them. Even RoboForm (pwd manager bar) works just fine, and retains its > show/hide state just like all the other toolbars except Standard Buttons. > I've been using RoboForm for months with no problems, and using the current > version, so it isn't that. > #5. I have tried rebooting many times after trying many things - nothing. > > I have tried Tools - Folder Options - View - Restore Defaults. Nothing. I > have tried "Reset All Folders". Nothing. BTW, View - Go To - [back, > forward, up one level] works so at least I have some way of navigating. > Hotkeys also work thank goodness. I can drill down a few folders, and alt + > left arrow, alt + right arrow to get around. > > I had the Google toolbar installed until this problem came up. It worked > great previously in IE and Explorer. Now I could not get it to show at all > in Explorer, not even temporarily, whereas I *can* show Standard Buttons - > until I reopen. I uninstalled Google toolbar. Standard Buttons is stilled > fubar. There's got to be a simple fix and I hope to high heaven I won't have > to wipe the disk and start all over. Please help - I will send cookies. > > TIA, > Scott > > > XP Pro SP2 all patched up > IE 7 all patched up > Full Windows Defender scan with current definitions; no problems >
Guest ScottShell Posted September 17, 2007 Posted September 17, 2007 RE: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. Thanks Rey, I followed the steps at that link and it worked great - that is, until I closed and reopened the window. I found the ShellBrowser value ITBarLayout is created when I move toolbars around and then the problem is back. I delete the value again and it works great. Next time I open a window the problem is back. Very odd. "Rey Santos" wrote: > See if this helps: > > Menu bar/Toolbar Missing in Windows Explorer and/or Internet Explorer > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555130 > -- > Rey >
Guest Rey Santos Posted September 18, 2007 Posted September 18, 2007 RE: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. The ITBarLayout value when deleted will return when a new window is opened. It will reset. See this link for easier instructions: http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm or download and run the tool noted at the bottom of the page: Toolbars missing in Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/ToolbarRepair.Exe -- Rey "ScottShell" wrote: > Thanks Rey, I followed the steps at that link and it worked great - that is, > until I closed and reopened the window. I found the ShellBrowser value > ITBarLayout is created when I move toolbars around and then the problem is > back. I delete the value again and it works great. Next time I open a > window the problem is back. Very odd. > > "Rey Santos" wrote: > > > See if this helps: > > > > Menu bar/Toolbar Missing in Windows Explorer and/or Internet Explorer > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555130 > > -- > > Rey > >
Guest ScottShell Posted September 19, 2007 Posted September 19, 2007 RE: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. I use the term "window" to mean a single Explorer window. There is only one "window" open at a time. "Standard Buttons" is shortened to "SB" I know that ShellBrowser->ITBarLayout is updated when any toolbar change is made, but it does not remember the setting of the SB. All other toolbars' visibility and positions are remembered. It is important to note that there is no Explorer->ITBarLayout, which seems contrary to the info at http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm "For Windows Explorer Toolbars: The Explorer Sub-key directly affects Explorer." This is not true for me. There is never an Explorer->ITBarLayout key. I have tried to create the key and copied the data from ShellBrowser->ITBarLayout, but since Explorer's ITBarLayout key is never used it does nothing. Only ShellBrowser's key is used for window settings. I delete ShellBrowser -> ITBarLayout. I open a new window and I see the default layout including SB. This is good. I am able to right click a blank area of any toolbar to get the popup (the shortcut method to View -> Toolbars) and turn on/off any toolbar. I arrange the toolbars where I want them (this updates ITBarLayout). I close the window. I open the window and the problem is back. The SB is gone but all other toolbars are where they should be. Right clicking in a blank toolbar area no longer works. Checking any menu in that popup does not toggle the check and hence does make any change, it only closes the popup. Only when I use the View -> Toolbars method and make a selection I then be able to use the "right click blank area and select toolbars" popup as normal. I press F11 to maximize the window and I see the SB. I restore the window and nothing has changed. Interestingly when fullscreened I can move the toolbar positions, add toolbars, etc and when I reopen the window and fullscreen again those settings are remembered. This info is not stored in ITBarLayout, and still no Explorer->ITBarLayout key exists. I ran the ToolbarRepair.Exe program and it just deletes the ITBarLayout key the same as I did manually. But again when I reopen the window the problem returns. No SB, non-functioning popup until I use View->Toolbars and make a selection. Then I can use the popup, show any bars including SB. Close, reopen, the problem is back. Ugh. Once again I appreciate your assistance. "Rey Santos" wrote: > The ITBarLayout value when deleted will return when a new window is opened. > It will reset. > See this link for easier instructions: > http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm > or download and run the tool noted at the bottom of the page: > Toolbars missing in Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/ToolbarRepair.Exe > > -- > Rey
Guest Rey Santos Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 RE: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. Both XP Pro and Home has the Explorer->ITBarLayout key value. Maybe you can just copy (export) the value from a good PC and import it to your PC. It could be the problem or something is continually changing your settings which could be Spywares. -- Rey "ScottShell" wrote: > I use the term "window" to mean a single Explorer window. There is only one > "window" open at a time. > "Standard Buttons" is shortened to "SB" > > > I know that ShellBrowser->ITBarLayout is updated when any toolbar change is > made, but it does not remember the setting of the SB. All other toolbars' > visibility and positions are remembered. It is important to note that there > is no Explorer->ITBarLayout, which seems contrary to the info at > http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm "For Windows Explorer Toolbars: The > Explorer Sub-key directly affects Explorer." This is not true for me. There > is never an Explorer->ITBarLayout key. I have tried to create the key and > copied the data from ShellBrowser->ITBarLayout, but since Explorer's > ITBarLayout key is never used it does nothing. Only ShellBrowser's key is > used for window settings. > > > I delete ShellBrowser -> ITBarLayout. > I open a new window and I see the default layout including SB. This is > good. I am able to right click a blank area of any toolbar to get the popup > (the shortcut method to View -> Toolbars) and turn on/off any toolbar. I > arrange the toolbars where I want them (this updates ITBarLayout). > I close the window. > I open the window and the problem is back. The SB is gone but all other > toolbars are where they should be. Right clicking in a blank toolbar area no > longer works. Checking any menu in that popup does not toggle the check and > hence does make any change, it only closes the popup. Only when I use the > View -> Toolbars method and make a selection I then be able to use the "right > click blank area and select toolbars" popup as normal. > > I press F11 to maximize the window and I see the SB. I restore the window > and nothing has changed. Interestingly when fullscreened I can move the > toolbar positions, add toolbars, etc and when I reopen the window and > fullscreen again those settings are remembered. This info is not stored in > ITBarLayout, and still no Explorer->ITBarLayout key exists. > > > I ran the ToolbarRepair.Exe program and it just deletes the ITBarLayout key > the same as I did manually. But again when I reopen the window the problem > returns. No SB, non-functioning popup until I use View->Toolbars and make a > selection. Then I can use the popup, show any bars including SB. Close, > reopen, the problem is back. Ugh. > > Once again I appreciate your assistance. > > "Rey Santos" wrote: > > > The ITBarLayout value when deleted will return when a new window is opened. > > It will reset. > > See this link for easier instructions: > > http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm > > or download and run the tool noted at the bottom of the page: > > Toolbars missing in Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer > > http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/ToolbarRepair.Exe > > > > -- > > Rey >
Guest Elmo Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Some Explorer (not IE) toolbars will not retain settings. ScottShell wrote: > I use the term "window" to mean a single Explorer window. There is only one > "window" open at a time. > "Standard Buttons" is shortened to "SB" > > > I know that ShellBrowser->ITBarLayout is updated when any toolbar change is > made, but it does not remember the setting of the SB. All other toolbars' > visibility and positions are remembered. It is important to note that there > is no Explorer->ITBarLayout, which seems contrary to the info at > http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm "For Windows Explorer Toolbars: The > Explorer Sub-key directly affects Explorer." This is not true for me. There > is never an Explorer->ITBarLayout key. I have tried to create the key and > copied the data from ShellBrowser->ITBarLayout, but since Explorer's > ITBarLayout key is never used it does nothing. Only ShellBrowser's key is > used for window settings. > > > I delete ShellBrowser -> ITBarLayout. > I open a new window and I see the default layout including SB. This is > good. I am able to right click a blank area of any toolbar to get the popup > (the shortcut method to View -> Toolbars) and turn on/off any toolbar. I > arrange the toolbars where I want them (this updates ITBarLayout). > I close the window. > I open the window and the problem is back. The SB is gone but all other > toolbars are where they should be. Right clicking in a blank toolbar area no > longer works. Checking any menu in that popup does not toggle the check and > hence does make any change, it only closes the popup. Only when I use the > View -> Toolbars method and make a selection I then be able to use the "right > click blank area and select toolbars" popup as normal. > > I press F11 to maximize the window and I see the SB. I restore the window > and nothing has changed. Interestingly when fullscreened I can move the > toolbar positions, add toolbars, etc and when I reopen the window and > fullscreen again those settings are remembered. This info is not stored in > ITBarLayout, and still no Explorer->ITBarLayout key exists. > > > I ran the ToolbarRepair.Exe program and it just deletes the ITBarLayout key > the same as I did manually. But again when I reopen the window the problem > returns. No SB, non-functioning popup until I use View->Toolbars and make a > selection. Then I can use the popup, show any bars including SB. Close, > reopen, the problem is back. Ugh. > > Once again I appreciate your assistance. > > "Rey Santos" wrote: > >> The ITBarLayout value when deleted will return when a new window is opened. >> It will reset. >> See this link for easier instructions: >> http://www.fjsmjs.com/IE/notoolbaar.htm >> or download and run the tool noted at the bottom of the page: >> Toolbars missing in Windows Explorer or Internet Explorer >> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/ToolbarRepair.Exe Might this help? http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm Line 30. Windows XP Doesn't Save User Settings -- Joe =o)
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