Politics anyone? USA Style

[Dalo Harkin]

i understand what you mean Randy, BUT thats my whole point - I seriously do not think of it as a choice but more a lack of options!

I avoid politics with a passion and people in my work are always banging on about it - i have my opinion and I normally do not voice it (quiet Wolfey :D)

but in terms of Government at the moment I do understand that there is a big opportunity here to make history, but what I am saying is they could turn out to be worse than their predecessors - only time will tell

[RandyL]

That's true Dave. But remember. Tomorrows history is written today. I would like to be part of history not just an observer. The generations to come depend on what we do or don't do today. Think of our children and their children etc. It is imperative that we do the best that we can do as individualls not the least that we can do.

 

Politics is one of the most important things you can do to help future generations live in a better world. Don't forget your kids will have kids too.

[BeeCeeBee]

There is no question that even in democracy's the political system is flawed. Mostly it comes down to the need to raise money in order to win. There are usually more qualified people out there who simply can't raise the cash to run.

 

That does not mean that we should remove ourselves from the process. Things can always get worse if the wrong choice is made. It is our obligation to educate ourselves and then evaluate how best to exercise a right that others would die for.

 

You cannot be afraid to be wrong or the choice will be made by those far less qualified than you

[Seth]

I vote, but only do so for what I think is the "lesser of the evils". No political party shares my views. If there was an option on the ballot that said "None of the above", I would choose it. The ballot should also contain a comments section on why you chose none of the above.

 

I think our judicial system is a joke. The Canadian taxpapers keep complaining to politicians about such, but the political parties only make minor and useless changes.

 

BTW Dalo- The same thing happens here in Canada. My girlfriend and I work our asses off. We pay high taxes for health care / medication and dental isn't covered under that. She has spent thousands on dental work, and I'm about to as well. Immigrants come in to our country, try and change our heritage and laws, and I have to pay for their food, clothing, shelter, health care, and medication. Oh yes, their dental work? I pay for that as well.

 

An example of one of my points is a recent teenage Muslim girl who joined a girls soccer team here in Canada. She wanted to wear a (habana?) that covered her head and tied around her neck. The refs ordered her to take it off as she risked her neck being broken (which has happened before with the same head covering while playing soccer), but she refused to. The refs kicked her out of the game, and the Muslims cried "racism:confused: to high heaven.

[Dalo Harkin]

An example of one of my points is a recent teenage Muslim girl who joined a girls soccer team here in Canada. She wanted to wear a (habana?) that covered her head and tied around her neck. The refs ordered her to take it off as she risked her neck being broken (which has happened before with the same head covering while playing soccer), but she refused to. The refs kicked her out of the game, and the Muslims cried "racism:confused: to high heaven.

 

Ok here is my example of a similar situation that I deem is wrong - Muslims or whatever that work in a supermarket - lets just say Asda for example and they take a job as a shelf stacker - BUT they refuse to stack the shelves with alcohol as alcohol is against their religion - WHAT A JOKE

[Guest Wolfeymole]

And if I get in a Taxi after a good session and smell of ale the window goes down and I freeze to death. :mad:

[Seth]

Ok here is my example of a similar situation that I deem is wrong - Muslims or whatever that work in a supermarket - lets just say Asda for example and they take a job as a shelf stacker - BUT they refuse to stack the shelves with alcohol as alcohol is against their religion - WHAT A JOKE

 

Exactly.

 

Imagine what would happen if you went to Iraq and tried to pull something similar to your example and mine.

[Dalo Harkin]

I think we now know why myself and Seth avoid politics :D

It actually riles me to listen to counter arguments - the fact remains that I cannot speak my mind as it is seen as politically incorrect!

I live in a country that is too cowardly to speak up for themselves!

[BeeCeeBee]

not what I expected when I started this thing

 

This has taken an interesting turn, not what I expected when I thought it might be fun but here we are.

 

I was raised as were we all with concept of freedom of religion. That to me includes freedom to be free of religion as well. While I have no idea what the true meaning of life may be I do know that if there is some higher being he/she /it will not deny a good person entry into whatever there may be because of what they choose to believe.

 

For that matter I have no problem with anyone who chooses one religion over the other unless that religion has as part of its tenents the absorbtion of everyone else. This is not new to Islam, it is just that a faction or 2 beleive that it is their duty.

 

I think the big problem that we face is on how many levels should we have to change in order to be inclusive.

 

I admit to the usual post 9/11 concerns and that they may rise to the level of prejudice in its real meaning which differs greatly from racism. I think the run of the mill, non islamist, non extremist Muslim would better serve his/her religion if they would take the spoken or unspoken "but" away when they condemn terrorist acts. Condemnation has to be FULL STOP. If there are issues that need to be addressed that may have incited these acts they have to be dealt with only after the FULL and ABSOLUTE condemnation of the vile acts that we have come to believe are inevitable.

 

"I condem but I Understand...."is an invitation to continue no matter how well meaning the statement was intended.

[Seth]

I think we now know why myself and Seth avoid politics :D

It actually riles me to listen to counter arguments - the fact remains that I cannot speak my mind as it is seen as politically incorrect!

I live in a country that is too cowardly to speak up for themselves!

 

Me too.

 

In a recent Federal Election, the Liberals won the election mostly based on the fact they promised to remove the General Sales Tax. One of the cronies even publicly promised to resign if they didn't get rid of it. The public fell for it, the Liberals were elected, didn't remove the tax, and the cronie didn't resign.

 

Want to add insult to injury? They went on with numerous scandals in which they stole taxpayers money. YET, even though those scum are taxpayer employees, WE CAN'T FIRE THEM FOR FOUR YEARS! That law is indicative of a temporary dictatorship rather than a democracy.

[BeeCeeBee]

Did I really say religious tenents?. They are guys who rent space from a church. I think I meant tenets but maybe not - cant seem to remember.

[Seth]

I was raised as were we all with concept of freedom of religion. That to me includes freedom to be free of religion as well. While I have no idea what the true meaning of life may be I do know that if there is some higher being he/she /it will not deny a good person entry into whatever there may be because of what they choose to believe.

 

I do know that if there is some higher being he/she /it will not deny a good person entry

 

Please support empirical evidence to prove such a proposition. Are you claiming to know the mind of "gawd"?

 

For that matter I have no problem with anyone who chooses one religion over the other unless that religion has as part of its tenents the absorbtion of everyone else. This is not new to Islam, it is just that a faction or 2 beleive that it is their duty.

 

BS. All religious factions desire to be dominant. That can be proven throughout history and up to 9/11.

 

I think the big problem that we face is on how many levels should we have to change in order to be inclusive.

 

You think of a big problem which shouldn't exist, as we are all born Atheists. The newborn is brainwashed by the nutcase adults into thinking: "Do what the invisible sky daddy says or he'll torture you for eternity"

[Guest Wolfeymole]

You think of a big problem which shouldn't exist, as we are all born Atheists. The newborn is brainwashed by the nutcase adults into thinking: "Do what the invisible sky daddy says or he'll torture you for eternity"

This is absolutely true.

 

It's my opinion that Catholicism is based on this entire structure.

[BeeCeeBee]

The Invisable Sky Daddy??

 

Its not the Sky Daddy part that is troublesome. It is the invisable part that is a worry. Have you updated your internal graphics card??

[Guest Wolfeymole]

It all happened here, well not quite here but the film although very funny made a very good point as to where Christianity started.

 

YouTube - Life of Brian - Bigus Dickus

[Seth]

Its not the Sky Daddy part that is troublesome. It is the invisable part that is a worry. Have you updated your internal graphics card??

 

I'm not interested with your cliches and your "New Age" concepts. Been there, done that.

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Just watch the video Seth lol

[BeeCeeBee]

I am not going to argue with you Seth if it makes you so angry but iI'm afraid that I can't pass up the urge to mention that "Been there, done that." seems to be the first cliche in the entire thread.

 

But Wolfey is right, watch the movie it is one of the best. ever!

[Guest Wolfeymole]

Seth is like my little dog in my profile Barry when she barks a lot and means nothing, stick around and you'll see.

 

He's a good bloke tech wise though.

 

I love him to bits even though he's a ****.

[BeeCeeBee]

I am just sad to learn that was a film. I always thought of it as a personal message from the invisable Sky Daddy.

 

I really did not start this to annoy anyone. Except maybe Sarah Palin and I noticed that she hasn't logged on lately.

[Seth]

Seth is like my little dog in my profile Barry when she barks a lot and means nothing, stick around and you'll see.

.

 

I'm done with Wolfey's insults.

 

Goodbye my friends.

[Guest Wolfeymole]

What's up with you Seth?

 

I was merely explaining to Barry that on the surface you may appear to be a grizzly bear but are in actual fact a big old soft pussycat.

 

Get a grip and bite me. :D

[BeeCeeBee]

Well this turned out to be a lot of fun. All I wanted was to rant a little about the election and maybe a little arguments. Political Argument. SORRY GUYS!!!!

[Guest Wolfeymole]

A storm in a teacup Barry, don't worry about mate.

[BeeCeeBee]

Not to worry Wolfey, I slept fine. Don't want to break up a friendship but I assume I havn't.