Guest ttphan Posted September 19, 2007 Posted September 19, 2007 I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to click on it and the restriction pop up window is: "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions in effect on this computer. Please contact your system adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the only one who's using this laptop. This issue also prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System Information under My Computer. All of these problems have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a solution to this issue without considering ReInstall WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. Thanks all. takecare,
Guest Terry R. Posted September 19, 2007 Posted September 19, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to > click on it and the restriction pop up window is: > "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions > in effect on this computer. Please contact your system > adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control > Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and > got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not > Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried > it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but > somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't > restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the > only one who's using this laptop. This issue also > prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar > and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System > Information under My Computer. All of these problems > have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I > really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week > now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim > through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft > Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a > solution to this issue without considering ReInstall > WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus > but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. > Thanks all. > > takecare, I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it immediately was recreated. Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest Graham Anderson Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... If you're struggling to delete a virus file (even in safe mode) try Killbox http://killbox.net/ This has the option of deleting the file on next reboot. It's worked for me in the past (not with the file you mention, but similar files) "Terry R." wrote: > On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > > > I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to > > click on it and the restriction pop up window is: > > "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions > > in effect on this computer. Please contact your system > > adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control > > Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and > > got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not > > Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried > > it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but > > somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't > > restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the > > only one who's using this laptop. This issue also > > prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar > > and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System > > Information under My Computer. All of these problems > > have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I > > really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week > > now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim > > through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft > > Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a > > solution to this issue without considering ReInstall > > WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus > > but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. > > Thanks all. > > > > takecare, > > I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV > software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it > immediately was recreated. > > Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called > cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove > the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. > > -- > Terry R. > > ***Reply Note*** > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. >
Guest Terry R. Posted September 20, 2007 Posted September 20, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... On 9/20/2007 4:30 AM On a whim, Graham Anderson pounded out on the keyboard > If you're struggling to delete a virus file (even in safe mode) try Killbox > http://killbox.net/ > > This has the option of deleting the file on next reboot. It's worked for me > in the past (not with the file you mention, but similar files) > > "Terry R." wrote: > >> On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard >> >>> I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to >>> click on it and the restriction pop up window is: >>> "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions >>> in effect on this computer. Please contact your system >>> adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control >>> Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and >>> got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not >>> Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried >>> it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but >>> somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't >>> restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the >>> only one who's using this laptop. This issue also >>> prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar >>> and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System >>> Information under My Computer. All of these problems >>> have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I >>> really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week >>> now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim >>> through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft >>> Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a >>> solution to this issue without considering ReInstall >>> WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus >>> but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. >>> Thanks all. >>> >>> takecare, >> I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV >> software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it >> immediately was recreated. >> >> Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called >> cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove >> the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. >> I was able to delete it from the client machine by booting with a Bart PE disc and deleting the file on the hard drive outside of Windows. That's the only way this one has been cured so far. But thanks for the suggestion. Not sure it would work in this instance, but it may for others. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest ttphan Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... Hmm, Terry, I used symantec antivirus but it showed no virus found, and I also tried to find cmcache.dat, but it's not in my system32. Thanks Terry & Graham. takecare, tu "Terry R." wrote: > On 9/20/2007 4:30 AM On a whim, Graham Anderson pounded out on the keyboard > > > If you're struggling to delete a virus file (even in safe mode) try Killbox > > http://killbox.net/ > > > > This has the option of deleting the file on next reboot. It's worked for me > > in the past (not with the file you mention, but similar files) > > > > "Terry R." wrote: > > > >> On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > >> > >>> I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to > >>> click on it and the restriction pop up window is: > >>> "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions > >>> in effect on this computer. Please contact your system > >>> adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control > >>> Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and > >>> got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not > >>> Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried > >>> it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but > >>> somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't > >>> restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the > >>> only one who's using this laptop. This issue also > >>> prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar > >>> and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System > >>> Information under My Computer. All of these problems > >>> have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I > >>> really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week > >>> now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim > >>> through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft > >>> Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a > >>> solution to this issue without considering ReInstall > >>> WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus > >>> but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. > >>> Thanks all. > >>> > >>> takecare, > >> I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV > >> software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it > >> immediately was recreated. > >> > >> Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called > >> cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove > >> the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. > >> > > I was able to delete it from the client machine by booting with a Bart > PE disc and deleting the file on the hard drive outside of Windows. > That's the only way this one has been cured so far. But thanks for the > suggestion. Not sure it would work in this instance, but it may for others. > > -- > Terry R. > > ***Reply Note*** > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. >
Guest ttphan Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... Hmm, Terry, I used Symantec Antivirus and it showed no virus found, and in my C:Window/System32 I did not see the cmcache.dat. Thanks Terry & Graham for the tips. Dunno what to do now. takecare, tu "Terry R." wrote: > On 9/20/2007 4:30 AM On a whim, Graham Anderson pounded out on the keyboard > > > If you're struggling to delete a virus file (even in safe mode) try Killbox > > http://killbox.net/ > > > > This has the option of deleting the file on next reboot. It's worked for me > > in the past (not with the file you mention, but similar files) > > > > "Terry R." wrote: > > > >> On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > >> > >>> I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to > >>> click on it and the restriction pop up window is: > >>> "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions > >>> in effect on this computer. Please contact your system > >>> adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control > >>> Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and > >>> got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not > >>> Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried > >>> it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but > >>> somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't > >>> restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the > >>> only one who's using this laptop. This issue also > >>> prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar > >>> and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System > >>> Information under My Computer. All of these problems > >>> have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I > >>> really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week > >>> now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim > >>> through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft > >>> Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a > >>> solution to this issue without considering ReInstall > >>> WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus > >>> but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. > >>> Thanks all. > >>> > >>> takecare, > >> I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV > >> software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it > >> immediately was recreated. > >> > >> Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called > >> cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove > >> the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. > >> > > I was able to delete it from the client machine by booting with a Bart > PE disc and deleting the file on the hard drive outside of Windows. > That's the only way this one has been cured so far. But thanks for the > suggestion. Not sure it would work in this instance, but it may for others. > > -- > Terry R. > > ***Reply Note*** > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. >
Guest Terry R. Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... On 9/20/2007 11:12 PM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > Hmm, Terry, I used Symantec Antivirus and it showed no virus found, and in my > C:Window/System32 I did not see the cmcache.dat. Thanks Terry & Graham for > the tips. Dunno what to do now. > takecare, tu > > "Terry R." wrote: > >> On 9/20/2007 4:30 AM On a whim, Graham Anderson pounded out on the keyboard >> >>> If you're struggling to delete a virus file (even in safe mode) try Killbox >>> http://killbox.net/ >>> >>> This has the option of deleting the file on next reboot. It's worked for me >>> in the past (not with the file you mention, but similar files) >>> >>> "Terry R." wrote: >>> >>>> On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard >>>> >>>>> I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to >>>>> click on it and the restriction pop up window is: >>>>> "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions >>>>> in effect on this computer. Please contact your system >>>>> adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control >>>>> Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and >>>>> got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not >>>>> Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried >>>>> it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but >>>>> somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't >>>>> restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the >>>>> only one who's using this laptop. This issue also >>>>> prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar >>>>> and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System >>>>> Information under My Computer. All of these problems >>>>> have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I >>>>> really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week >>>>> now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim >>>>> through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft >>>>> Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a >>>>> solution to this issue without considering ReInstall >>>>> WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus >>>>> but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. >>>>> Thanks all. >>>>> >>>>> takecare, >>>> I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV >>>> software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it >>>> immediately was recreated. >>>> >>>> Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called >>>> cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove >>>> the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. >>>> >> I was able to delete it from the client machine by booting with a Bart >> PE disc and deleting the file on the hard drive outside of Windows. >> That's the only way this one has been cured so far. But thanks for the >> suggestion. Not sure it would work in this instance, but it may for others. >> >> -- >> Terry R. >> >> ***Reply Note*** >> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. >> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. >> I would use a 2nd av scanner and then use a couple malware scanners also. Google for HiJackThis and run it and post it to a forum that can assist you. If you are getting the error you stated, you DO have a bug in your system. -- Terry R. ***Reply Note*** Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply.
Guest ttphan Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 Re: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... I don't know, there might be a bug, I've used other software as SpySweeper and TrendMicro 2007 AV but they both showed no virus found. I think I have either bug, malware or virus somewhere because I can tell that my laptop has been a little slower since this thing happened. I used Spy Sweeper two months ago for a different issue and it was able to found virus and quarantined it, but this time it couldn't find any. I've updated Spy Sweeper virus definition regularly. Thanks. takecare, tu "Terry R." wrote: > On 9/20/2007 11:12 PM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > > > Hmm, Terry, I used Symantec Antivirus and it showed no virus found, and in my > > C:Window/System32 I did not see the cmcache.dat. Thanks Terry & Graham for > > the tips. Dunno what to do now. > > takecare, tu > > > > "Terry R." wrote: > > > >> On 9/20/2007 4:30 AM On a whim, Graham Anderson pounded out on the keyboard > >> > >>> If you're struggling to delete a virus file (even in safe mode) try Killbox > >>> http://killbox.net/ > >>> > >>> This has the option of deleting the file on next reboot. It's worked for me > >>> in the past (not with the file you mention, but similar files) > >>> > >>> "Terry R." wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 9/19/2007 7:56 AM On a whim, ttphan pounded out on the keyboard > >>>> > >>>>> I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to > >>>>> click on it and the restriction pop up window is: > >>>>> "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions > >>>>> in effect on this computer. Please contact your system > >>>>> adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control > >>>>> Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and > >>>>> got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not > >>>>> Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried > >>>>> it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but > >>>>> somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't > >>>>> restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the > >>>>> only one who's using this laptop. This issue also > >>>>> prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar > >>>>> and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System > >>>>> Information under My Computer. All of these problems > >>>>> have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I > >>>>> really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week > >>>>> now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim > >>>>> through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft > >>>>> Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a > >>>>> solution to this issue without considering ReInstall > >>>>> WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus > >>>>> but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. > >>>>> Thanks all. > >>>>> > >>>>> takecare, > >>>> I had a client workstation with the same issue last week. Only their AV > >>>> software (AntiVir) kept detecting the virus, but when it was deleted it > >>>> immediately was recreated. > >>>> > >>>> Check to see if you have a file in your system32 folder called > >>>> cmcache.dat. If you do, report back. It doesn't do any good to remove > >>>> the file in Safe Mode either, as this one works even in Safe Mode. > >>>> > >> I was able to delete it from the client machine by booting with a Bart > >> PE disc and deleting the file on the hard drive outside of Windows. > >> That's the only way this one has been cured so far. But thanks for the > >> suggestion. Not sure it would work in this instance, but it may for others. > >> > >> -- > >> Terry R. > >> > >> ***Reply Note*** > >> Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. > >> Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. > >> > > I would use a 2nd av scanner and then use a couple malware scanners > also. Google for HiJackThis and run it and post it to a forum that can > assist you. > > If you are getting the error you stated, you DO have a bug in your system. > > -- > Terry R. > > ***Reply Note*** > Anti-spam measures are included in my email address. > Delete NOSPAM from the email address after clicking Reply. >
Guest nass Posted September 21, 2007 Posted September 21, 2007 RE: Cannot access Control Panel due to...... "ttphan" wrote: > I have had Control Panel issue, everytime I tried to > click on it and the restriction pop up window is: > "This operation has been cancelled due to restrictions > in effect on this computer. Please contact your system > adminstrator". Therefore I could Not access to Control > Panel. Even though I've logged on as Administrator and > got into Regedit to Policy, to Gpedit to set Not > Configure (Disabled) but it didn't work, I also tried > it in Safe Mode. I also tried system restore but > somehow this feature's not working either, it couldn't > restore back to any previous restore point. I'm the > only one who's using this laptop. This issue also > prevent me from viewing Adjust Date/Time on Taskbar > and I coudn't click on Add/Remove Program, View System > Information under My Computer. All of these problems > have giving me that same error due to restrictions. I > really need help, I've been trying it for a whole week > now. Does anyone know, please help. I've been skim > through Window XP user guide book, to Microsoft > Website, Dell page, surf the web but I haven't seen a > solution to this issue without considering ReInstall > WindowXP. I just don't want to ReInstall WindowXP. I also used Antivirus > but it showed no virus found, did try go to appwiz.cpl, it's no help. > Thanks all. > > takecare, Open a run command and type in: regedit.exe click [OK] locate these two Keys: [-]HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer = Look in the right pane/window for this "NoControlPanel" either delete it or make the Data value = 0 [-]HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer= Look in the right pane/window for this "NoControlPanel" either delete it or make the Data value "NoControlPanel"= 0 Close the Registry and Reboot your machine, does it help?. Then go through these cleaning steps: Click Start >> Control Panel >> Double click Network and Internet Connections >> Double click Internet Options. On the IE properties windows you will see these Tabs: General | Security | Privacy | Content | Connections | Programs | Advanced. Under General Tab clear your History, Internet Files and Cookies. = Then try to Disable the Add-Ons on your Browser somehow installed on your browser, On how to disable the Add-ons follow this: Click on Programs Tab and then click the Manage Add-Ons Button there Disable the None/Not Verified Plug-ins/Add-ons ( you need to Renable them one-by-one later and see which is the culprit or you can send them here in your next post) and click [OK] to confirm your Changes. How to manage Add-Ons: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/883256 Click on Advanced Tab and scroll down under the browsing option and uncheck this box: [&] Browsing [ ] Enable Third-Party browser extensions (Req Rest) and click Apply then OK to close your IE Properties. 2.... And also for malware from here: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-gb/default.htm?s_cid=sah http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-gb/default.htm http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad-aware_se_personal.php http://www.safer-networking.org ; for Spybot S&D Run a scan from here on-line: http://www.sophos.com http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/virusinfo/scan.aspx http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/default.asp?productid=symhome&langid=ie&venid=sym Download Avast Cleaner from here: http://www.avast.com/eng/avast-virus-cleaner.html Lots of tools to download and disinfect your machine: http://www.bitdefender.co.uk/site/Downloads/browseFreeRemovalTool/ http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/lng/us/tpl/v5 =How to perform a clean boot procedure to prevent background programs from interfering with a game or a program that you currently use http://support.microsoft.com/kb/331796 Download the Hijackthis and send the report to one of many forums for analysis and troubleshooting: When all else fails, HijackThis v2.0.2 (http://www.trendsecure.com/portal/en-US/threat_analytics/hijackthis.php) is the preferred tool to use. It will help you to both identify and remove any hijackware/spyware. Post your log to: http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/downloads.html http://aumha.net/viewforum.php?f=30, http://castlecops.com/forum67.html, http://forums.subratam.org/index.php?showforum=7 http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial42.html Have a look in the Event Viewer for error messages(X) that can shed some light and post it back in your next post by performing the following and also the System File Checker (SFC) sfc /scannow: Open a Notepad, customize or minimize to the taskbar as you will need it later for this step to copy the error message on it. Open a run command and type in: eventvwr.msc click [OK] you will get the Event viewer control Panel. click on each of these: Application System Security Look in the right Pane/window for error message with red (X) or Yellow exclamation mark /!\ , double click each one to get more info about the causer. On the Event error properties message you will see: Up Arrow Down arrow Two pages Click on the two pages to copy the error message then bring up the Notepad you opened earlier and right click on the first line and select Paste from the list, this will paste the error message on a Notepad. Please don't duplicate the error message one of each kind will be sufficient. HOW TO: View and Manage Event Logs in Event Viewer in Windows XP http://support.microsoft.com/kb/308427/en-us HTH. nass ----- http://www.nasstec.co.uk
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