Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

September 20, 2007

Hi there,

I'm VERY new to XP having clung to Windows 2000 for long enough !

Installed XP Pro onto my machine (wiped off W2k), liked what I saw and

activated the software via the internet.

I still have the XP Pro disk, CD Key etc - this copy is legal (bought

off Ebay).

Now however I've noticed that a Mobo that I'd been eyeing up for the

last year has become VERY cheap on Ebay and it's something really

worth doing.

It'd mean upgrading my Ram, with the ultimate aim of upgrading my

Graphics Card.

I intend using the 2 Xeon processors I have as well as keeping all the

hard disks, sound cards etc.

Please can someone tell me, as I have an OEM version of this OS, will

Microsoft not allow me to do a reinstall of this same OS Disk and CD

Key ?? Will I have to buy another copy of this OS if I am proposing

to do the above ??

Please, can someone put me in the picture ??

Many thanks,

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Here is Microsoft's view of the matter relating to OEM.

http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-c80436181742/OSLicQA.doc

A_Newsreader wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> I'm VERY new to XP having clung to Windows 2000 for long enough !

>

> Installed XP Pro onto my machine (wiped off W2k), liked what I saw and

> activated the software via the internet.

>

> I still have the XP Pro disk, CD Key etc - this copy is legal (bought

> off Ebay).

>

> Now however I've noticed that a Mobo that I'd been eyeing up for the

> last year has become VERY cheap on Ebay and it's something really

> worth doing.

>

> It'd mean upgrading my Ram, with the ultimate aim of upgrading my

> Graphics Card.

>

> I intend using the 2 Xeon processors I have as well as keeping all the

> hard disks, sound cards etc.

>

> Please can someone tell me, as I have an OEM version of this OS, will

> Microsoft not allow me to do a reinstall of this same OS Disk and CD

> Key ?? Will I have to buy another copy of this OS if I am proposing

> to do the above ??

>

> Please, can someone put me in the picture ??

>

> Many thanks,

>

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

On Sep 20, 9:27 am, A_Newsreader <a_newsrea...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> I'm VERY new to XP having clung to Windows 2000 for long enough !

>

> Installed XP Pro onto my machine (wiped off W2k), liked what I saw and

> activated the software via the internet.

>

> I still have the XP Pro disk, CD Key etc - this copy is legal (bought

> off Ebay).

>

> Now however I've noticed that a Mobo that I'd been eyeing up for the

> last year has become VERY cheap on Ebay and it's something really

> worth doing.

>

> It'd mean upgrading my Ram, with the ultimate aim of upgrading my

> Graphics Card.

>

> I intend using the 2 Xeon processors I have as well as keeping all the

> hard disks, sound cards etc.

>

> Please can someone tell me, as I have an OEM version of this OS, will

> Microsoft not allow me to do a reinstall of this same OS Disk and CD

> Key ?? Will I have to buy another copy of this OS if I am proposing

> to do the above ??

>

> Please, can someone put me in the picture ??

>

> Many thanks,

Depending on the type of OEM, if the version is "BIOS" locked, then no

matter what you try, it will not work or maybe not even install.

As stated before, MS official stance is NO, you can not re-install an

OEM version on a different PC (motherboard change will be classed as

different PC.)

However, people have tricked the product activation before.

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

This has been discussed so many times....I wont go into the legalities I 'll

just point out the possibilities..

If you have had that OEM XP on your system for 120 days without a

reactivation,after deleting it from the original system It is possible to

install on the new system and it will activate over the net..........I did

it 3 months ago when I was in your shoes.

peter

"A_Newsreader" <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1190294856.041825.162880@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> Hi there,

>

> I'm VERY new to XP having clung to Windows 2000 for long enough !

>

> Installed XP Pro onto my machine (wiped off W2k), liked what I saw and

> activated the software via the internet.

>

> I still have the XP Pro disk, CD Key etc - this copy is legal (bought

> off Ebay).

>

> Now however I've noticed that a Mobo that I'd been eyeing up for the

> last year has become VERY cheap on Ebay and it's something really

> worth doing.

>

> It'd mean upgrading my Ram, with the ultimate aim of upgrading my

> Graphics Card.

>

> I intend using the 2 Xeon processors I have as well as keeping all the

> hard disks, sound cards etc.

>

> Please can someone tell me, as I have an OEM version of this OS, will

> Microsoft not allow me to do a reinstall of this same OS Disk and CD

> Key ?? Will I have to buy another copy of this OS if I am proposing

> to do the above ??

>

> Please, can someone put me in the picture ??

>

> Many thanks,

>

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

On 20 Sep, 13:47, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Here is Microsoft's view of the matter relating to OEM.

>

> http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-...

>

Hi there and thanks.

Okay, I've now read that document......

But.......

if I were to go ahead and upgrade the Mobo anyway, will I have

problems later on with my copy of XP Pro OEM and activating it via the

web ??

Can Microsoft tell via the activation process that this computer has

had a new mobo ??

I intend to sell the older mobo and ram on ebay

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

On 20 Sep, 14:09, smlunatick <yves...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Depending on the type of OEM, if the version is "BIOS" locked, then no

> matter what you try, it will not work or maybe not even install.

>

> As stated before, MS official stance is NO, you can not re-install an

> OEM version on a different PC (motherboard change will be classed as

> different PC.)

>

> However, people have tricked the product activation before.

Hi there and thanks.

Not sure what you mean exactly re BIOS locked ??

The disk is what I'd call a Generic OEM, it doesn't have DELL, Compaq,

HP etc on it if that's any help.

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

A_Newsreader wrote:

> On 20 Sep, 13:47, Bob I <bire...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

>>Here is Microsoft's view of the matter relating to OEM.

>>

>>http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/e/3/4e3eace0-4c6d-4123-9d0c-...

>>

>

> Hi there and thanks.

>

> Okay, I've now read that document......

>

> But.......

>

> if I were to go ahead and upgrade the Mobo anyway, will I have

> problems later on with my copy of XP Pro OEM and activating it via the

> web ??

>

> Can Microsoft tell via the activation process that this computer has

> had a new mobo ??

>

> I intend to sell the older mobo and ram on ebay

>

Technically the OEM would go with the motherboard. Why not sell it that

way and buy a Retail copy of XP and then you wouldn't have to skirt the

issue?

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

On Sep 20, 10:22 am, A_Newsreader <a_newsrea...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 20 Sep, 14:09, smlunatick <yves...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> > Depending on the type of OEM, if the version is "BIOS" locked, then no

> > matter what you try, it will not work or maybe not even install.

>

> > As stated before, MS official stance is NO, you can not re-install an

> > OEM version on a different PC (motherboard change will be classed as

> > different PC.)

>

> > However, people have tricked the product activation before.

>

> Hi there and thanks.

>

> Not sure what you mean exactly re BIOS locked ??

>

> The disk is what I'd call a Generic OEM, it doesn't have DELL, Compaq,

> HP etc on it if that's any help.

BIOS locked OEM versions are versions that read the motherboard's BIOS

and checks special OEM files so as to see if the motherboard is

'authorized" to run the version of XP. These versions do not seem to

require the product activation routine since the PC's manufacturer has

already permanately activated it. Usually found on large "name-brand"

PCs.

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

The legal niceties are that a mobo upgrade constitutes a new PC requiring a

new Winxp cd, if your is an OEM cd

However if the mobo fails a replacement doesnt constitute a new PC - this

may have changed in OEM Vista

"A_Newsreader" <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1190298174.153921.321640@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

> On 20 Sep, 14:09, smlunatick <yves...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>

>> Depending on the type of OEM, if the version is "BIOS" locked, then no

>> matter what you try, it will not work or maybe not even install.

>>

>> As stated before, MS official stance is NO, you can not re-install an

>> OEM version on a different PC (motherboard change will be classed as

>> different PC.)

>>

>> However, people have tricked the product activation before.

>

> Hi there and thanks.

>

> Not sure what you mean exactly re BIOS locked ??

>

> The disk is what I'd call a Generic OEM, it doesn't have DELL, Compaq,

> HP etc on it if that's any help.

>

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

"A_Newsreader" <a_newsreader@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:1190294856.041825.162880@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

> Hi there,

>

> I'm VERY new to XP having clung to Windows 2000 for long enough !

>

> Installed XP Pro onto my machine (wiped off W2k), liked what I saw and

> activated the software via the internet.

>

> I still have the XP Pro disk, CD Key etc - this copy is legal (bought

> off Ebay).

>

> Now however I've noticed that a Mobo that I'd been eyeing up for the

> last year has become VERY cheap on Ebay and it's something really

> worth doing.

>

> It'd mean upgrading my Ram, with the ultimate aim of upgrading my

> Graphics Card.

>

> I intend using the 2 Xeon processors I have as well as keeping all the

> hard disks, sound cards etc.

>

> Please can someone tell me, as I have an OEM version of this OS, will

> Microsoft not allow me to do a reinstall of this same OS Disk and CD

> Key ?? Will I have to buy another copy of this OS if I am proposing

> to do the above ??

>

> Please, can someone put me in the picture ??

>

> Many thanks,

>

You replied to another respondent that you have a generic version OEM

installation disc and product key. This version will not do an upgrade,

but, will do a repair install if you want to go that route. Clean install

is advisable by my own experiences. Others, of course, disagree.

Have done what you're doing a couple of times with same generic version and

clean install. No trickery involved as implied by another respondent.

Recommend, however, you make a slipstreamed version of the installation disc

to incorporate SP2. Will save you some time later.

Download the motherboard drivers from the maker's website to removable media

for installation after installing XP w/SP2. The media has to be accessible

without aid of motherboard drivers as they are not installed at that time.

Dave

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, issues ??

Seems like to me, that from what I've read, if 120 days have elapsed

from activating my copy of XP, then I should be able to change my

Supermicro motherboard and install my already installed WIndows XP Pro

OEM onto my replacement Tyan motherboard, and I will be asked by the

software to activate it. From what I have read, on here and

elsewhere, this shouldn't be a problem.

Regarding selling my oem xp pro with the mobo, could do, but I'd

rather give the new owner the choice of what os he/she wants to

install.

Why did I buy OEM ?? I made a mistake. I thought I was buying a

retail version. The Seller didn't open up to the fact that it was OEM

until I received it in the post and with the high non-refundable

postage price there wasn't much point returning it back.

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, i

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro, i

Don't forget that changing out your motherboard will require you to do a

repair install of Windows XP. This is necessary to set up the new hardware

correctly.

GS

"A_Newsreader" wrote:

> Seems like to me, that from what I've read, if 120 days have elapsed

> from activating my copy of XP, then I should be able to change my

> Supermicro motherboard and install my already installed WIndows XP Pro

> OEM onto my replacement Tyan motherboard, and I will be asked by the

> software to activate it. From what I have read, on here and

> elsewhere, this shouldn't be a problem.

>

> Regarding selling my oem xp pro with the mobo, could do, but I'd

> rather give the new owner the choice of what os he/she wants to

> install.

>

> Why did I buy OEM ?? I made a mistake. I thought I was buying a

> retail version. The Seller didn't open up to the fact that it was OEM

> until I received it in the post and with the high non-refundable

> postage price there wasn't much point returning it back.

>

September 20, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

A_Newsreader wrote:

> Seems like to me, that from what I've read, if 120 days have elapsed

> from activating my copy of XP, then I should be able to change my

> Supermicro motherboard and install my already installed WIndows XP Pro

> OEM onto my replacement Tyan motherboard, and I will be asked by the

> software to activate it. From what I have read, on here and

> elsewhere, this shouldn't be a problem.

>

> Regarding selling my oem xp pro with the mobo, could do, but I'd

> rather give the new owner the choice of what os he/she wants to

> install.

>

> Why did I buy OEM ?? I made a mistake. I thought I was buying a

> retail version. The Seller didn't open up to the fact that it was OEM

> until I received it in the post and with the high non-refundable

> postage price there wasn't much point returning it back.

>

Ah! The cheats and crooks, really too bad they can't be removed from

humanity. Make life better for everyone.

September 21, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

A_Newsreader wrote:

> Hi there,

>

> I'm VERY new to XP having clung to Windows 2000 for long enough !

>

> Installed XP Pro onto my machine (wiped off W2k), liked what I saw and

> activated the software via the internet.

>

> I still have the XP Pro disk, CD Key etc - this copy is legal (bought

> off Ebay).

>

If you managed to actually get a legitimate software license from eBay,

you're one of the lucky ones.

Getting a legitimate license of any kind from eBay is something of

a crap shoot. One should be very careful buying any software on eBay,

as eBay makes no prior effort to ensure that such sales are legitimate.

The problems stem from two different sources, but have the same

results: the buyer gets ripped off. A great many people don't fully

understand the terms of the license they own, and don't understand that

they cannot legitimately resell it, and - worse still - there are a

great many sellers who do know that they're selling bogus licenses. eBay

reacts only when someone files a complaint, and then all that really

happens, especially in the case of the many deliberate fraudsters, is

the seller of the pirated software returns using a different alias, to

continue selling illegitimate licenses.

> Now however I've noticed that a Mobo that I'd been eyeing up for the

> last year has become VERY cheap on Ebay and it's something really

> worth doing.

>

> It'd mean upgrading my Ram, with the ultimate aim of upgrading my

> Graphics Card.

>

> I intend using the 2 Xeon processors I have as well as keeping all the

> hard disks, sound cards etc.

>

> Please can someone tell me, as I have an OEM version of this OS, will

> Microsoft not allow me to do a reinstall of this same OS Disk and CD

> Key ?? Will I have to buy another copy of this OS if I am proposing

> to do the above ??

>

If you truly have a legitimate generic, unbranded OEm license and CD,

you'll probably have no problem.

According to its End User License Agreement (EULA), an OEM license

may not be transferred from one distinct PC to another PC. Nothing is

said about prohibiting one from repairing or upgrading the PC on which

an OEM license is installed.

Some people mistakenly believe that the motherboard is the key

component that defines the "original computer," but the OEM EULA does

not make any such distinction. Others have said (tongue in cheek) that

one could successfully argue that it's the PC's case that is the

deciding component, as that is where one is instructed to affix the OEM

CoA label w/Product Key. Again, the EULA does *not* specifically define

any single component as the computer. Licensed Microsoft Systems

Builders, who are allowed to distribute OEM licenses with computers they

build and sell, are _contractually_ obligated to "define" the computer

as the motherboard, but this limitation/definition can't be applied to

the end user until the EULA is re-written.

Microsoft has, to date, been very careful _not_ to *publicly*

define when an incrementally upgraded computer ceases to be the original

computer. The closest I've ever seen a Microsoft employee come to this

definition (in a public forum) is to tell the person making the inquiry

to consult the PC's manufacturer. As the OEM license's support is

solely the responsibility of said manufacturer, they should determine

what sort of hardware changes to allow before the warranty and support

agreements are voided. To paraphrase: An incrementally upgraded

computer ceases to be the original computer, as pertains to the OEM

EULA, only when the *OEM* says it's a different computer. If you've

built the system yourself, and used a generic OEM CD, then _you_ are the

"OEM," and _you_ get to decide when you'll no longer support your product.

--

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September 21, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Bob I wrote:

>

> Technically the OEM would go with the motherboard.

Not so. Only Licensed Systems Builders are contractually obliged to

define the motherboard as the computer. The OEM EULA does *not* bind

the license to any single component, but to the computer as a whole.

> Why not sell it that

> way and buy a Retail copy of XP and then you wouldn't have to skirt the

> issue?

>

Why should the OP waste money when there's no issue, much less one "to

skirt?"

--

Bruce Chambers

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September 21, 2007

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

Re: Want to upgrade my mobo, ram and graphic's card, OEM XP Pro,issues ??

DL wrote:

> The legal niceties are that a mobo upgrade constitutes a new PC requiring a

> new Winxp cd, if your is an OEM cd

No, No, No! Untrue!