Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Hi everybody Sorry to bother you all with this, it's not really a problem more of a query. I run 98SE as my main os, well the turbo-charged version, patched with the unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE->ME. If anybody here's not tried it you should, it hums! Anyway I digress, even with the superpatch there are various gaming sites that still won't work, I think it's that bloody bloatware Flash Player crap that so many think they need to use these days. So what I've had to do is dual boot with win2k, and everything is working just dandy. However this is where the query arises, I've got a copy of Opera on both partitions and they seem to be linking somehow. What's happening is, say that for instance I'm in 98 then I shut down and reboot into 2k the same condition that I left Opera in when I left 98 reappear when I'm in 2k and vice versa. It's like having just one copy of Opera that's working on both partitions instead of having two separate copies working independently. As I say, it's not really a problem but I am intrigued as to what's going on, anybody know? TIA Best regards Tony
Guest glee Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Re: Intrigued Do you have Opera installed twice in two separate partitions, one for each OS; or do you have one Opera installation location sharing the program files and .ini files? If you have one installation, such as on a Programs partition, you may be able to adapt the info here to crates separate profiles for each OS: http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles -- Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+ http://dts-l.org/ http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm "Tony Yarwood" <Tony.Yarwood@XXXclara.co.uk> wrote in message news:4f7ff3lobromqo7ufdu3jb905n0jcpm1co@4ax.com... > Hi everybody > > Sorry to bother you all with this, it's not really a problem more of a > query. > > I run 98SE as my main os, well the turbo-charged version, patched > with the unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE->ME. If anybody here's not > tried it you should, it hums! > > Anyway I digress, even with the superpatch there are various gaming > sites that still won't work, I think it's that bloody bloatware Flash > Player crap that so many think they need to use these days. > > So what I've had to do is dual boot with win2k, and everything is > working just dandy. However this is where the query arises, I've got > a copy of Opera on both partitions and they seem to be linking > somehow. > > What's happening is, say that for instance I'm in 98 then I shut down > and reboot into 2k the same condition that I left Opera in when I left > 98 reappear when I'm in 2k and vice versa. > > It's like having just one copy of Opera that's working on both > partitions instead of having two separate copies working > independently. > > As I say, it's not really a problem but I am intrigued as to what's > going on, anybody know? > > TIA > > Best regards > > Tony
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:13:24 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote: Hi Glen >Do you have Opera installed twice in two separate partitions, one for each OS; Yes, two installations. >or do you have one Opera installation location sharing the program files and .ini files? No > >If you have one installation, such as on a Programs partition, you may be able to >adapt the info here to crates separate profiles for each OS: >http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles Looks like an interesting read, let you know more when I've read it. Best regards Tony
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 09:13:24 -0400, "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote: >Do you have Opera installed twice in two separate partitions, one for each OS; or do >you have one Opera installation location sharing the program files and .ini files? > >If you have one installation, such as on a Programs partition, you may be able to >adapt the info here to crates separate profiles for each OS: >http://operawiki.info/OperaProfiles Hi again Glen Many thanks again for that link, it's sorta becoming clearer now. I didn't install clean to each partition, just copied the whole directory over, (so as to keep my bookmarks etc.). That's where all the confusion has arisen, because of the profiles. Still don't understand how they read across partitions tho :) Anyway one of the guys who commented on that article had the right solution, just reinstall and call it Opera2. Many thanks for your time and trouble. Best regards Tony
Guest bobster Posted September 24, 2007 Posted September 24, 2007 Re: Intrigued Tony, Glen Ventura I've been running Win 98SE, SP1 with all updates for many years. It seems to get slower every year. I currently have no problems with it other than the slowness. I keep it spyware-free and safe by using all the regular stuff (Ad-Aware, SpywareBlaster, ZA, Host file, Avast!, etc.). Tony, you said, "I run 98SE as my main os, well the turbo-charged version, patched with the unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE->ME. If anybody here's not tried it you should, it hums!" My question: Would the gain in performance, speed, appearance, etc. by going to unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE>ME be worth the effort/ risk? If I did go that route and ran into trouble, could I recover by doing the scanreg /restore thing in MS-DOS, assuming I could get it to boot? Bobster
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 25, 2007 Posted September 25, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:17 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote: > >My question: > >Would the gain in performance, speed, appearance, etc. by going to >unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE>ME be worth the effort/ risk? If I did go >that route and ran into trouble, could I recover by doing the scanreg >/restore thing in MS-DOS, assuming I could get it to boot? > >Bobster Hi Bobster The thing I've always loved about 98, well it goes back to my old 3.1x days, is the way you can back up the whole windows directory and then when it slows down, gets a bit corrupted or you add something you don't like or something else tries to screw things up, you just dump the whole directory by jumping into DOS. I generally start with a pristine install, all your apps, everything just the way you like it, then back that windows directory up, I usually save it on another partition. Hey voila, that backup can last for years, I find I generally dump my windows.. well it can depend.. but every three or four months, that sort of thing. Anyway HTH Best Regards Tony
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Intrigued Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install or uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and many place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory and that installation is broken. As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system partitions from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see each other is at the root of yours. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tony Yarwood" <Tony.Yarwood@XXXclara.co.uk> wrote in message news:ekkgf3dknpft8sdijhr5hh5o2rtsn01tb1@4ax.com... > On Mon, 24 Sep 2007 12:50:17 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> > wrote: >> >>My question: >> >>Would the gain in performance, speed, appearance, etc. by going to >>unofficial SP2 and Axcel's 98SE>ME be worth the effort/ risk? If I did go >>that route and ran into trouble, could I recover by doing the scanreg >>/restore thing in MS-DOS, assuming I could get it to boot? >> >>Bobster > > Hi Bobster > > The thing I've always loved about 98, well it goes back to my old 3.1x > days, is the way you can back up the whole windows directory and then > when it slows down, gets a bit corrupted or you add something you > don't like or something else tries to screw things up, you just dump > the whole directory by jumping into DOS. > > I generally start with a pristine install, all your apps, everything > just the way you like it, then back that windows directory up, I > usually save it on another partition. Hey voila, that backup can last > for years, I find I generally dump my windows.. well it can depend.. > but every three or four months, that sort of thing. > > Anyway HTH > > Best Regards > > Tony > >
Guest Dan Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Intrigued Yes, bobster is back in the 98 general newsgroup. It has been a while since I have seen you post, bobster. Anyway, if you dual-boot then it is critical that you hide the operating systems from each other. That is where I got into trouble when I did not do enough research and installed VPN (Virtual Private Networking) and ran into problems because the 2 operating systems started communicating with each other when they had not done so before. It was completely my fault for not reading the full information about VPN. Anyway, I would stick with Mozilla Firefox because it is fast becoming the standard and patched more often than I.E. and has 256 bit cipher strength back to Windows 98 on websites that support it. I did not like Opera and although it does not have any security vulnerabilities according to secunia.com, it had too many features that bugged me so I tried it out but do not use it anymore. I am very thankful to this group and especially MVP's like Gary S. Terhune, Chris Quirke, Alan Edwards and others such as PCR that have taught me so much about Windows and PC's in general. I know I am not mentioning many others like Ron who have been so helpful as well and please do not take offense if I have failed to mention your name because your support is appreciated as well.
Guest Dan Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Intrigued Hi Tony, I still use my old IBM 486 with Windows 3.1 and DOS 5 on it for my old games. It is a great PC that still runs well and great to play my old games on with my Roland MT-32 music card. My first computer which is an IBM PCjr still runs and is located in storage back east in New York City. I currenty live in the Southwest. Have a nice rest of the week and hopefully your computer is up and running well again soon.
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:15:27 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: Hi Gary >Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install or >uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and many >place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory >and that installation is broken. Yes - but that's the beauty of it, when you install an app you don't like.. by then reverting to your old backup you get your old registry back and your system files. When you install something you like and that you want to keep, you just re-back up again. > >As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system partitions >from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you >encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see each >other is at the root of yours. Now there's a good idea. Best regards Tony
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:06:18 +0100, Tony Yarwood <Tony.Yarwood@XXXblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:15:27 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: > Hi again Gary > >>Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install or >>uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and many >>place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory >>and that installation is broken. > >Yes - but that's the beauty of it, when you install an app you don't >like.. by then reverting to your old backup you get your old registry >back and your system files. > >When you install something you like and that you want to keep, you >just re-back up again. > Just to clarify a bit more on this subject - it's not like I'm installing and un-installing apps all the time. I've got the apps that I like and trust and it's not too often that I come across something I want to keep. Happened this week tho :) came across Foxit Reader 2.1 in another thread, take a week or two and then I'll know whether I want to keep it permanently. >>As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system partitions >>from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you >>encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see each >>other is at the root of yours. > >Now there's a good idea. What would be the best way to go about this? I do own a copy of Acronis. Best regards Tony
Guest Gary S. Terhune Posted September 26, 2007 Posted September 26, 2007 Re: Intrigued You hide partitions using a boot manager with that ability. I use BootIt NG. http://www.bootitng.com As for the other, I was brought to attention by your claim that you have backups that are very old. Can't see what use they'd be other than for archiving. -- Gary S. Terhune MS-MVP Shell/User http://www.grystmill.com "Tony Yarwood" <Tony.Yarwood@XXXblueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:ovjlf3parrv1f0tvet5rsh8q1ntb1qpnh3@4ax.com... > On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:06:18 +0100, Tony Yarwood > <Tony.Yarwood@XXXblueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > >>On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:15:27 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: >> > Hi again Gary >> >>>Any backup, including your type, is made obsolete the minute you install >>>or >>>uninstall most any app. Most installations write to the Registry, and >>>many >>>place files in the System directory. Revert to an older Windows directory >>>and that installation is broken. >> >>Yes - but that's the beauty of it, when you install an app you don't >>like.. by then reverting to your old backup you get your old registry >>back and your system files. >> >>When you install something you like and that you want to keep, you >>just re-back up again. >> > Just to clarify a bit more on this subject - it's not like I'm > installing and un-installing apps all the time. I've got the apps > that I like and trust and it's not too often that I come across > something I want to keep. > > Happened this week tho :) came across Foxit Reader 2.1 in another > thread, take a week or two and then I'll know whether I want to keep > it permanently. > >>>As for your dual boot -- may I suggest that you hide the system >>>partitions >>>from each other? Lots of reasons to do so that are similar to the one you >>>encountered. In fact, I'm betting that the partitions being able to see >>>each >>>other is at the root of yours. >> >>Now there's a good idea. > > What would be the best way to go about this? > > I do own a copy of Acronis. > > Best regards > > Tony
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:50:42 -0700, "Gary S. Terhune" <none> wrote: Hi Gary >You hide partitions using a boot manager with that ability. I use BootIt NG. >http://www.bootitng.com Thanks for that, I like the fact that they include imaging. I've got Acronis and a spare h/d so I might give that a whirl first. > >As for the other, I was brought to attention by your claim that you have >backups that are very old. Can't see what use they'd be other than for >archiving. I'm not saying my method is any better or worse than any other, obviously disc imaging is far superior in that it allows you to take the image to different hardware, whereas the way I do it each m/c needs its own backup. I've usually three or four m/c's at home and as I said before it's not as if I'm experimenting everyday with different apps. Even when I do try something new it's on one m/c first. Looking at my desktop now the newest arrival is Thunderbird which I've had for about 3 years. That's apart from Axcel's 98->Me thingy of course. In the 12 or so years that I've done it this way I can honestly say that I've never had a m/c out of action for more than about 5 mins, (apart from hardware failures of course). Best regards Tony
Guest Tony Yarwood Posted September 27, 2007 Posted September 27, 2007 Re: Intrigued On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:10:08 -0700, Dan <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Hi Tony, I still use my old IBM 486 with Windows 3.1 and DOS 5 on it for my >old games. It is a great PC that still runs well and great to play my old >games on with my Roland MT-32 music card. My first computer which is an IBM >PCjr still runs and is located in storage back east in New York City. I >currenty live in the Southwest. Have a nice rest of the week and hopefully >your computer is up and running well again soon. Hi Dan Yeah I've still got a 3.1x box as well, not fired it up in a while unfortunately, the wife chucked out my spare monitor, said it was cluttering up the place :( Funny enough only a couple of days ago I got some mail from the old Calmira forum, did you ever use the Calmira shell with 3.1? It was a great addition. Seems the old forum is pretty much dead, most folk moved on, a lot into Linux it seems. Best regards Tony
Guest Dan Posted September 28, 2007 Posted September 28, 2007 Re: Intrigued No, I have never even heard of Calmira and now have to see if I can Google for it to find out more information.
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