Support for AVG Free after August 2008

October 3, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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| MEB wrote:

| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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{deleted materials}

| || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?

| |

| | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the

| | vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two

| | are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of

| | executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all

| | files or file extensions configured to scan.

|

| I think there are three...

|

| .......Quote an avast! help screen........

| SETTING THE SENSITIVITY

|

| After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears. Moving

| the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are three levels:

|

| 1. Quick Scan.

| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their

| extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM, DOC,

| etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those viruses

| that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that macroviruses

| are not searched for in EXE files etc.

|

| 2. Standard Scan.

| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their

| content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses

| corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.

|

| 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.

| ......EOQ...............................................

|

| Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that setting

| will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the scan, instead

| of the main avast! interface.

Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait, are you

referring to the right click or autoscan settings?

AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :

system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete with

various settings for each of those..

|

| | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why ....

|

| What has gone?

ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is withdrawn ...

anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was somewhat discouraged

with the errors in Avast when I tested it and as previously noted, just went

back..

|

| || --

| || PCR

| || pcrrcp@netzero.net

| ||

| |

| | --

| | MEB

| | ________

|

| --

| PCR

| pcrrcp@netzero.net

|

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

|

October 3, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

MEB wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|| MEB wrote:

|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|

| {deleted materials}

|

|| || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?

|| |

|| | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the

|| | vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two

|| | are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of

|| | executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all

|| | files or file extensions configured to scan.

||

|| I think there are three...

||

|| .......Quote an avast! help screen........

|| SETTING THE SENSITIVITY

||

|| After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.

|| Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are

|| three levels:

||

|| 1. Quick Scan.

|| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their

|| extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM,

|| DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those

|| viruses that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that

|| macroviruses are not searched for in EXE files etc.

||

|| 2. Standard Scan.

|| Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their

|| content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses

|| corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.

||

|| 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.

|| ......EOQ...............................................

||

|| Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that

|| setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the

|| scan, instead of the main avast! interface.

|

| Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait, are

| you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?

|

| AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :

| system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete with

| various settings for each of those..

Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity

options I posted-- I know little of AVG. OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for

Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see? Also,

will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has trouble

with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free, but counts

them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be

the 856 files that are inside it.

||

|| | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why

|| | ....

||

|| What has gone?

|

| ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is

| withdrawn ... anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was

| somewhat discouraged with the errors in Avast when I tested it and as

| previously noted, just went back..

|

||

|| || --

|| || PCR

|| || pcrrcp@netzero.net

|| ||

|| |

|| | --

|| | MEB

|| | ________

||

|| --

|| PCR

|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

||

|

| --

| MEB

| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| ________

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 4, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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| MEB wrote:

| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| || MEB wrote:

| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| |

| | {deleted materials}

| |

| || || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?

| || |

| || | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in the

| || | vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive {stub}, two

| || | are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three different types of

| || | executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG has two settings - all

| || | files or file extensions configured to scan.

| ||

| || I think there are three...

| ||

| || .......Quote an avast! help screen........

| || SETTING THE SENSITIVITY

| ||

| || After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.

| || Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are

| || three levels:

| ||

| || 1. Quick Scan.

| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their

| || extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE, SCR, COM,

| || DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks only for those

| || viruses that infect the corresponding type of file. It means that

| || macroviruses are not searched for in EXE files etc.

| ||

| || 2. Standard Scan.

| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to their

| || content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the viruses

| || corresponding to the particular file type are searched for.

| ||

| || 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.

| || ......EOQ...............................................

| ||

| || Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that

| || setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the

| || scan, instead of the main avast! interface.

| |

| | Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait, are

| | you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?

| |

| | AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :

| | system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete with

| | various settings for each of those..

|

| Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity

| options I posted-- I know little of AVG.

Well that's close to what AVG is doing, just different settings/controls.

| OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

| will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for

| Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

|

| But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing it

previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen storage CDs I

presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it could be on one of the

several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

| Also,

| will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has trouble

| with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free, but counts

| them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be

| the 856 files that are inside it.

AVG scans the system files first [default - 66 files] and includes them in

its output, deduct that from the shown counts:

311561usa8.exe

scanned 79

jet40sp8_9xnt.exe

scanned 101

291362usa8.exe

scanned 81

How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

setupeng.exe

scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that the

setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more for XP and

above]

avg75free_472a1024.exe [rarSFX]

scanned 74

Dreamweaver dwmx2004_701update_en.exe [install shield]

scanned 77

Don't have the v7.1 player exe but

wmp7.exe

scanned 563 [scanned compressed files within files]

WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe

scanned 184

NT Resource Kit

scanned 318

And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package

scanned 101

Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file, others are

scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for me] or creation ...

though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have false positives or miss

something new [though it generally is picked up in a day or so] but since I

have used AV progs such as Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan,

Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee, and a number of others though the *days* that's

really not unexpected..

Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and VISTA they

need to completely use the new installer environment rather than the cross

platform used in AVAST's installer.

|

| ||

| || | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why

| || | ....

| ||

| || What has gone?

| |

| | ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is

| | withdrawn ... anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was

| | somewhat discouraged with the errors in Avast when I tested it and as

| | previously noted, just went back..

| |

| ||

| || || --

| || || PCR

| || | --

| || | MEB

| || | ________

| || --

| || PCR

| | --

| | MEB

| | ________

| --

| PCR

| pcrrcp@netzero.net

|

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 4, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and complete

scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a complete scan that

takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my dad, Ivan to switch to AVG from

Symantec antivirus and he is much happier now. My dad Ivan also likes all

the things you can do with Mozilla Firefox especially ad blocking and that

helps prevent adware.

October 4, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

MEB wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|| MEB wrote:

|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|| || MEB wrote:

|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|| |

|| | {deleted materials}

|| |

|| || || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?

|| || |

|| || | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in

|| || | the vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive

|| || | {stub}, two are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three

|| || | different types of executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG

|| || | has two settings - all files or file extensions configured to

|| || | scan.

|| ||

|| || I think there are three...

|| ||

|| || .......Quote an avast! help screen........

|| || SETTING THE SENSITIVITY

|| ||

|| || After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.

|| || Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are

|| || three levels:

|| ||

|| || 1. Quick Scan.

|| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to

|| || their extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE,

|| || SCR, COM, DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks

|| || only for those viruses that infect the corresponding type of

|| || file. It means that macroviruses are not searched for in EXE

|| || files etc.

|| ||

|| || 2. Standard Scan.

|| || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to

|| || their content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the

|| || viruses corresponding to the particular file type are searched

|| || for.

|| ||

|| || 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.

|| || ......EOQ...............................................

|| ||

|| || Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that

|| || setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the

|| || scan, instead of the main avast! interface.

|| |

|| | Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait,

|| | are you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?

|| |

|| | AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :

|| | system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete

|| | with various settings for each of those..

||

|| Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity

|| options I posted-- I know little of AVG.

|

| Well that's close to what AVG is doing, just different

| settings/controls.

OK.

|| OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

|| will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for

|| Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

||

|| But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

|

| Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing it

| previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen storage CDs I

| presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it could be on one of

| the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I believe

it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83 files

inside.

|| Also,

|| will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has

|| trouble with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free,

|| but counts them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts

|| "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be the 856 files that are inside it.

|

| AVG scans the system files first [default - 66 files] and includes

| them in its output, deduct that from the shown counts:

|

| 311561usa8.exe

| scanned 79

79-66=13, which is the number of files WinZip sees in there. AVG has

outdone avast! on that one. Of course, one hopes avast! would scan them

all were I to click 311561usa8.exe to have it do its install-- that

would be the On-Access scanner doing it then.

| jet40sp8_9xnt.exe

| scanned 101

I don't have that file, although I do see a MSJET40.DLL.

| 291362usa8.exe

| scanned 81

I've got a dozen USA8's, but not that one. Avast! won't get into any of

mine, anyhow, & counts them all as one file-- when R-Clkd & scanned (I

said). I can extract the files with WinZip & scan the folder, but that's

a bit much to do!

| How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

| setupeng.exe

| scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that

| the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more

| for XP and above]

Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip

will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside. However,

InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...

Folders added: 19

Files added: 199

| avg75free_472a1024.exe [rarSFX]

| scanned 74

Don't have it.

| Dreamweaver dwmx2004_701update_en.exe [install shield]

| scanned 77

Don't have it.

| Don't have the v7.1 player exe but

| wmp7.exe

| scanned 563 [scanned compressed files within files]

That seems about right.

| WindowsXP-KB838079-SupportTools-ENU.exe

| scanned 184

XP? I know for sure I don't have it!

| NT Resource Kit

| scanned 318

I don't have it.

| And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package

| scanned 101

Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did, if I

understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

Uniextract15_noinst.rar

Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.

WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

| Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file, others

| are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for me] or

| creation

Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these

self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on

both open & create.

Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with certain of

them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of self-extractables that

avast! does scan well. I do have one that WinZip shows to contain 15

files-- but avast! will count only 13 during its scan! If I extract all

15 with WinZip, avast! will then scan & count them all!

STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated to

avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

| ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have

| false positives or miss something new [though it generally is picked

| up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as

| Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,

| and a number of others though the *days* that's really not

| unexpected..

I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast! did

come up with one false positive (of a file inside a self-extractable)--

but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now. It did show that avast!

worked fairly nicely putting the thing in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER,

when taken out, the file date did change from its original. (Damn!)

| Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and VISTA

| they need to completely use the new installer environment rather than

| the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

||

|| ||

|| || | Sorry to see it go, perhaps I'll check on the site and see why

|| || | ....

|| ||

|| || What has gone?

|| |

|| | ah, should have said next year, but still if that support is

|| | withdrawn ... anyway, I've used it for quite a few years ... I was

|| | somewhat discouraged with the errors in Avast when I tested it and

|| | as previously noted, just went back..

|| |

|| ||

|| || || --

|| || || PCR

|| || | --

|| || | MEB

|| || | ________

|| || --

|| || PCR

|| | --

|| | MEB

|| | ________

|| --

|| PCR

|| pcrrcp@netzero.net

||

| --

| MEB

| http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

| ________

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 4, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Dan wrote:

| In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and

| complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a

| complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my dad,

| Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much happier

| now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do with Mozilla

| Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent adware.

AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even out-perform

it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to become obsolete

or XP/Vista-irradiated?

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 5, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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| MEB wrote:

| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| || MEB wrote:

| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| || || MEB wrote:

| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| || |

| || | {deleted materials}

| || |

| || || || Does AVG make any attempt to scan inside self-extractables?

| || || |

| || || | Yes, it will scan those files. I presently have five files in

| || || | the vault [which I use for testing, one is a false positive

| || || | {stub}, two are trojans (one downloader), two worms] three

| || || | different types of executables [zip, rar, WI] and two zips. AVG

| || || | has two settings - all files or file extensions configured to

| || || | scan.

| || ||

| || || I think there are three...

| || ||

| || || .......Quote an avast! help screen........

| || || SETTING THE SENSITIVITY

| || ||

| || || After you select the area to scan, a bar with a slider appears.

| || || Moving the slider, you specify the scanner sensitivity. There are

| || || three levels:

| || ||

| || || 1. Quick Scan.

| || || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to

| || || their extension. It means that the files with extensions EXE,

| || || SCR, COM, DOC, etc. are scanned. Within the file, avast! looks

| || || only for those viruses that infect the corresponding type of

| || || file. It means that macroviruses are not searched for in EXE

| || || files etc.

| || ||

| || || 2. Standard Scan.

| || || Only the possibly dangerous files are scanned, according to

| || || their content. The file extension is ignored. Again, only the

| || || viruses corresponding to the particular file type are searched

| || || for.

| || ||

| || || 3. Thorough Scan. All files are tested, against all viruses.

| || || ......EOQ...............................................

| || ||

| || || Usually, I do the Standard. I'm not sure -- but probably -- that

| || || setting will hold when using avast!'s Explorer interface to do the

| || || scan, instead of the main avast! interface.

| || |

| || | Right, remember that from my short test of the prog,,, er, wait,

| || | are you referring to the right click or autoscan settings?

| || |

| || | AVG allows three separate areas/searches [did Avast?] :

| || | system areas [which you can define], selected areas, or complete

| || | with various settings for each of those..

| ||

| || Oops! Sorry, I think I got confused. Those were avast! sensitivity

| || options I posted-- I know little of AVG.

| |

| | Well that's close to what AVG is doing, just different

| | settings/controls.

|

| OK.

|

| || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

| || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete for

| || Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

| ||

| || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

| |

| | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing it

| | previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen storage CDs I

| | presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it could be on one of

| | the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

|

| Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I believe

| it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83 files

| inside.

Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

|

| || Also,

| || will it go into the USA8's, such as "311561usa8.exe"? Avast! has

| || trouble with those particular ones. It declares them be virus free,

| || but counts them as only one file apiece-- whereas it counts

| || "WMP_v.7.1.exe" to be the 856 files that are inside it.

| |

| | AVG scans the system files first [default - 66 files] and includes

| | them in its output, deduct that from the shown counts:

| |

| | 311561usa8.exe

| | scanned 79

|

| 79-66=13, which is the number of files WinZip sees in there. AVG has

| outdone avast! on that one. Of course, one hopes avast! would scan them

| all were I to click 311561usa8.exe to have it do its install-- that

| would be the On-Access scanner doing it then.

|

| | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

| | setupeng.exe

| | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that

| | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more

| | for XP and above]

|

| Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip

| will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside. However,

| InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...

|

| Folders added: 19

| Files added: 199

Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have seen

files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so not sure why

it couldn't do Avast's.

| | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package

| | scanned 101

|

| Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did, if I

| understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

|

| Uniextract15_noinst.rar

| Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.

| WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

|

| Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

|

| | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file, others

| | are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for me] or

| | creation

|

| Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these

| self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on

| both open & create.

|

| Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with certain of

| them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of self-extractables that

| avast! does scan well. I do have one that WinZip shows to contain 15

| files-- but avast! will count only 13 during its scan! If I extract all

| 15 with WinZip, avast! will then scan & count them all!

|

| STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated to

| avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast, alot

can happen in a year..

|

| | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have

| | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is picked

| | up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as

| | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,

| | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not

| | unexpected..

|

| I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast! did

| come up with one false positive (of a file inside a self-extractable)--

| but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now. It did show that avast!

| worked fairly nicely putting the thing in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER,

| when taken out, the file date did change from its original. (Damn!)

Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog, yet

running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to use three

[or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through or nothing was

deleted by mistake someone uploaded.

Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned several

times before testing it

|

| | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and VISTA

| | they need to completely use the new installer environment rather than

| | the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

|

| That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

| || || || --

| || || || PCR

| || || | --

| || || | MEB

| || || | ________

| || || --

| || || PCR

| || | --

| || | MEB

| || | ________

| || --

| || PCR

||

| | --

| | MEB

| | ________

|

| --

| PCR

|

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 5, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

No, we are talking about August 2008. It is currently October 2007.

Remember, Microsoft just continued XP sales to computer manufacturers of

Windows XP until June 2008 from January 2008 so your so called XP will be

around even longer PCR. <grin, smile, laugh>

"PCR" wrote:

> Dan wrote:

> | In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and

> | complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a

> | complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my dad,

> | Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much happier

> | now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do with Mozilla

> | Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent adware.

>

> AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even out-perform

> it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to become obsolete

> or XP/Vista-irradiated?

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

October 5, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

MEB wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|| MEB wrote:

|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|| || MEB wrote:

|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|| || || MEB wrote:

|| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....snip

|| || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

|| || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete

|| || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

|| ||

|| || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

|| |

|| | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing

|| | it previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen

|| | storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it

|| | could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

||

|| Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I

|| believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83

|| files inside.

|

| Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am

satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as far

as scanning them before they are opened or installed.

....snip

|| | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

|| | setupeng.exe

|| | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that

|| | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more

|| | for XP and above]

||

|| Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip

|| will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside.

|| However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...

||

|| Folders added: 19

|| Files added: 199

|

| Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have

| seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so

| not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.

Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.

|| | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package

|| | scanned 101

||

|| Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did,

|| if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

||

|| Uniextract15_noinst.rar

|| Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.

|| WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

||

|| Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

|

| Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to have

trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access scanning will

catch anything inside during the install.

Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks

each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...

X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message

X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) as

they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have them pop

up in information windows!

|| | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,

|| | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for

|| | me] or creation

||

|| Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these

|| self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on

|| both open & create.

||

|| Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with

|| certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of

|| self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that

|| WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13

|| during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then

|| scan & count them all!

||

|| STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated

|| to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

|

| Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast,

| alot can happen in a year..

I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my surprise,

McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's teeth sunk into

stuff all over the place!

||

|| | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have

|| | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is

|| | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as

|| | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,

|| | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not

|| | unexpected..

||

|| I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!

|| did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a

|| self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now.

|| It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the thing

|| in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file date did

|| change from its original. (Damn!)

|

| Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog,

| yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to

| use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through

| or nothing was deleted by mistake someone uploaded.

| Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned

| several times before testing it

It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,

though, myself.

|| | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and

|| | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment

|| | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

||

|| That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

|

| Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected such as

spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the thickness of

my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP" written into certain

avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God-- you are right!

....snip

October 5, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Dan wrote:

| No, we are talking about August 2008. It is currently October 2007.

| Remember, Microsoft just continued XP sales to computer manufacturers

| of Windows XP until June 2008 from January 2008 so your so called XP

| will be around even longer PCR. <grin, smile, laugh>

OK. AVG is a viable alternative, then, if you mean it will continue to

work on Win98 as well. Best double the thickness of your tinfoil hat, is

all, if XP is mentioned in its help screen!

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> Dan wrote:

|> | In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and

|> | complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a

|> | complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my

|> | dad, Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much

|> | happier now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do

|> | with Mozilla Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent

|> | adware.

|>

|> AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even

|> out-perform it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to

|> become obsolete or XP/Vista-irradiated?

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 5, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:ucHdVO4BIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> MEB wrote:

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> || MEB wrote:

> || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> || || MEB wrote:

> || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> || || || MEB wrote:

> || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> ...snip

> || || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

> || || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete

> || || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

> || ||

> || || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

> || |

> || | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing

> || | it previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen

> || | storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it

> || | could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

> ||

> || Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I

> || believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83

> || files inside.

> |

> | Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

>

> According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am

> satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as far

> as scanning them before they are opened or installed.

>

> ...snip

> || | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

> || | setupeng.exe

> || | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that

> || | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more

> || | for XP and above]

> ||

> || Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip

> || will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside.

> || However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...

> ||

> || Folders added: 19

> || Files added: 199

> |

> | Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have

> | seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so

> | not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.

>

> Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.

>

> || | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package

> || | scanned 101

> ||

> || Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did,

> || if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

> ||

> || Uniextract15_noinst.rar

> || Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.

> || WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

> ||

> || Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

> |

> | Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

>

> It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to have

> trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access scanning will

> catch anything inside during the install.

>

> Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks

> each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...

>

> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message

> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

>

> And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) as

> they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have them pop

> up in information windows!

>

> || | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,

> || | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for

> || | me] or creation

> ||

> || Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these

> || self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on

> || both open & create.

> ||

> || Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with

> || certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of

> || self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that

> || WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13

> || during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then

> || scan & count them all!

> ||

> || STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated

> || to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

> |

> | Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast,

> | alot can happen in a year..

>

> I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my surprise,

> McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's teeth sunk into

> stuff all over the place!

>

> ||

> || | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have

> || | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is

> || | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as

> || | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,

> || | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not

> || | unexpected..

> ||

> || I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!

> || did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a

> || self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now.

> || It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the thing

> || in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file date did

> || change from its original. (Damn!)

> |

> | Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog,

> | yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to

> | use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through

> | or nothing was deleted by mistake someone uploaded.

> | Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned

> | several times before testing it

>

> It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,

> though, myself.

>

> || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and

> || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment

> || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

> ||

> || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

> |

> | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

>

> I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected such as

> spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the thickness of

> my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP" written into certain

> avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God-- you are right!

>

> ...snip

>

Maybe your tinfoil hat is outdated. Try one of these.

http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

Galen

October 5, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Galen Somerville wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:ucHdVO4BIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> MEB wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> || MEB wrote:

|> || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> || || MEB wrote:

|> || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> || || || MEB wrote:

|> || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

....snip

|> || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and

|> || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment

|> || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

|> ||

|> || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

|> |

|> | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

|>

|> I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected

|> such as spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the

|> thickness of my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP"

|> written into certain avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God--

|> you are right!

|>

|> ...snip

|>

| Maybe your tinfoil hat is outdated. Try one of these.

|

| http://zapatopi.net/afdb/

That one that glows looks like a viable alternative! Thanks! It's

lovely!

| Galen

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

news:ucHdVO4BIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| MEB wrote:

| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| || MEB wrote:

| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

| || || MEB wrote:

| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| || || || MEB wrote:

| || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|

| ...snip

| || || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

| || || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete

| || || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

| || ||

| || || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

| || |

| || | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were discussing

| || | it previously, and just checked again with the couple dozen

| || | storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail. Of course it

| || | could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also out, but ...

| ||

| || Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I

| || believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have 83

| || files inside.

| |

| | Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

|

| According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am

| satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as far

| as scanning them before they are opened or installed.

Hmm, might be in a sub-compressed file, but I don't see it in my Works and

Money 2000 CD.

|

| ...snip

| || | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

| || | setupeng.exe

| || | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see that

| || | the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its designed more

| || | for XP and above]

| ||

| || Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files. WinZip

| || will not open it for me to count how many are actually inside.

| || However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its install...

| ||

| || Folders added: 19

| || Files added: 199

| |

| | Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I have

| | seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or similar] so

| | not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.

|

| Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.

Yeah, apparently, though can anyone claim any AV program is 100% failure

proof, likely not.

|

| || | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment package

| || | scanned 101

| ||

| || Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee did,

| || if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

| ||

| || Uniextract15_noinst.rar

| || Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.

| || WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

| ||

| || Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

| |

| | Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

|

| It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to have

| trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access scanning will

| catch anything inside during the install.

|

| Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks

| each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...

AVG had [has] that, though still included as an option which I have

configured, using text for reading and posting seems to not include that,

and only does so for messages with attachments ...

|

| X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message

| X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

|

| And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files) as

| they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have them pop

| up in information windows!

Well that could be useful I suppose... another way to monitor what's going

on. AVG has the normal logs which can be reviewed.

|

| || | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,

| || | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few for

| || | me] or creation

| ||

| || Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these

| || self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan on

| || both open & create.

| ||

| || Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with

| || certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of

| || self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that

| || WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13

| || during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then

| || scan & count them all!

| ||

| || STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is updated

| || to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

| |

| | Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to Avast,

| | alot can happen in a year..

|

| I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my surprise,

| McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's teeth sunk into

| stuff all over the place!

Yeah, I was surprised when you previously indicated that...

|

| ||

| || | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have

| || | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is

| || | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as

| || | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan, McAfee,

| || | and a number of others though the *days* that's really not

| || | unexpected..

| ||

| || I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!

| || did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a

| || self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list now.

| || It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the thing

| || in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file date did

| || change from its original. (Damn!)

| |

| | Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good prog,

| | yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false positives, had to

| | use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure nothing got through

| | or nothing was deleted by mistake someone uploaded.

| | Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be scanned

| | several times before testing it

|

| It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,

| though, myself.

Well I still am running the various tests, hence questionable files, so at

least for awhile I have to be cautious ...

|

| || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and

| || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment

| || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

| ||

| || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

| |

| | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

|

| I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected such as

| spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the thickness of

| my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP" written into certain

| avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God-- you are right!

|

| ...snip

|

You're DOOOOOOOOMEDDDDD, might want to get that full suit protection though

....

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

On Oct 5, 3:18 pm, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:

> Dan wrote:

>

> | No, we are talking about August 2008. It is currently October 2007.

> | Remember, Microsoft just continued XP sales to computer manufacturers

> | of Windows XP until June 2008 from January 2008 so your so called XP

> | will be around even longer PCR. <grin, smile, laugh>

>

> OK. AVG is a viable alternative, then, if you mean it will continue to

> work on Win98 as well. Best double the thickness of your tinfoil hat, is

> all, if XP is mentioned in its help screen!

>

> | "PCR" wrote:

>

> ||> Dan wrote:

>

> |> | In AVG antivirus you also have the choice between standard scan and

> |> | complete scan and I change the options so I can have AVG perform a

> |> | complete scan that takes a while to accomplish. I convinced my

> |> | dad, Ivan to switch to AVG from Symantec antivirus and he is much

> |> | happier now. My dad Ivan also likes all the things you can do

> |> | with Mozilla Firefox especially ad blocking and that helps prevent

> |> | adware.

> |>

> |> AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even

> |> out-perform it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about to

> |> become obsolete or XP/Vista-irradiated?

> |>

> |> --

> |> Thanks or Good Luck,

> |> There may be humor in this post, and,

> |> Naturally, you will not sue,

> |> Should things get worse after this,

> |> PCR

> |> pcr...@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcr...@netzero.net

As the guy who began this topic, I will repeat my original

information.

"While checking out the Grisoft site for some AVG Free information (I

have been using AVG Free for a couple of years), I came across the

following information:

Important notice

"Some older operating systems such as Microsoft Windows ME,

Microsoft Windows NT and Microsoft Windows 98 will only be supported

until August 2008 as a minimum".

So I asked about this on the AVG Free forum, got the following

response:

"I can say that currently Win95 isn't officially supported but AVG

Free still works on it... but I can't say that will also be true for

Win98-WinME at the point that Grisoft does drop support for them. I

can say that most ( not all ) of the other antivirus companies have

already dropped support for Win9x-WinME and you can only expect most

all to do the same very soon".

Just thought I might bring this information to the attention of this

group, check it out for yourself. I have just got a copy of Avast Home

Edition which is also free, seems to get much better reviews, performs

more functions than AVG. I also wrote to the Avast forum to ascertain

their intentions about continuing support for Win98SE, got the

following response:

"The avast policy is to keep all features that were compatible with

Windows 95, 98 and Me available. Only new features are being just

developed for newer Windows versions.

And ok, it will be free.

Welcome to avast. I'm an ex AVG user too".

Avast Home Edition Free requires its own registration process which

you can check out on their website, where you can also get a number of

skins to change the Avast look. Hope this helps"

Since this original contribution, I have been using Avast with no

problems, in my view it offers more complete protection, just taking

what the AVG folks say as the truth. I will continue to use Avast.

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Maybe its time for lead lined hats XQ

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Do you think a Harry Pottery special wand would help with XP radiation and

the deadly Gamma radiation from Vista?

LOL!!

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Different Strokes for Different Folks. LOL!! They both must be okay and I

don't think this discussion can be resolved until waiting till around middle

of next year and see what happens. It is almost a year away and I think what

the AVG web site is saying is August 2008 will be the earliest that they will

stop support for Windows 98 so there is no need to rush to change from AVG to

AVAST or vice versa.

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

MEB wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:ucHdVO4BIHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|| MEB wrote:

|| | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| | news:ePEl2ltBIHA.536@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|| || MEB wrote:

|| || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| || | news:eo6bBdfBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|| || || MEB wrote:

|| || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| || || | news:OoVKwFVBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|| || || || MEB wrote:

|| || || || | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|| || || || | news:eGP39qGBIHA.1168@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

||

|| ...snip

|| || || OK, I'm glad to see AVG also

|| || || will go into self-extractables. Too bad it is becoming obsolete

|| || || for Win98, if I understand this thread that much.

|| || ||

|| || || But, does AVG go into "AR40ENG.EXE", if you've got one to see?

|| || |

|| || | Well, I checked for that file when you and others were

|| || | discussing it previously, and just checked again with the

|| || | couple dozen storage CDs I presently have out, but to no avail.

|| || | Of course it could be on one of the several dozen game CDs also

|| || | out, but ...

|| ||

|| || Mine is in "C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual", & I

|| || believe it has to do with Acrobat Reader. WinZip shows it to have

|| || 83 files inside.

|| |

|| | Okay, what version of Works? I have several.

||

|| According to its About box, it is MS Works 2000, v.5.0. But I am

|| satisfied AVG likely out-performs avast! with self-executables, as

|| far as scanning them before they are opened or installed.

|

| Hmm, might be in a sub-compressed file, but I don't see it in my

| Works and Money 2000 CD.

The folder appears to contain the MS Works 2000 Manual among other

files...

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual>dir /a

Directory of C:\Program Files\Microsoft Works\1033\Manual

BOOKIMG JPG 21,698 09-04-99 10:23p bookimg.jpg

DWNAROW GIF 54 09-04-99 10:23p dwnarow.gif

GETACRO GIF 712 09-04-99 10:23p getacro.gif

PDFICON GIF 228 09-04-99 10:23p pdficon.gif

PGBCK GIF 855 09-04-99 10:23p Pgbck.gif

PGFWD GIF 854 09-04-99 10:23p pgFwd.gif

PRTBTN GIF 901 09-04-99 10:23p PrtBtn.gif

AR40ENG EXE 5,455,526 09-04-99 10:23p ar40eng.exe

WKGETSRT HTM 21,492 09-04-99 10:23p wkgetsrt.htm

WKMANUAL PDF 689,458 09-04-99 10:23p wkmanual.pdf

10 file(s) 6,191,778 bytes

All of the dates are the same, meaning it is as Compaq originally

provided back in '01 when I bought this thing. Examining "AR40ENG.EXE"

with WinZip, it appears to be Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.0, going by its

"ReadMe.pdf"...

.........Quote..................

Adobe Acrobat Reader 4.0 for Windows ReadMe March 8, 1999

Adobe Acrobat Reader is the free viewing companion to Adobe Acrobat 4.0.

Acrobat Reader lets you view, navigate and print Portable Document

Format (PDF) files. Adobe Acrobat 4.0 is a complete solution for

creating, enhancing, reviewing, editing, and sharing information in PDF.

To learn more about Adobe Acrobat 4.0, visit

http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/acrobat/morethanreader.html.

This ReadMe contains information about installing Acrobat Reader 4.0 for

Windows and Troubleshooting Issues.

.........EOQ....................

||

|| ...snip

|| || | How about Avast's 05/30/07 offering [4,0,0,0 exe]

|| || | setupeng.exe

|| || | scanned 66 [hmm, that's the default system files though I see

|| || | that the setup file contains the xml manifest/setup so its

|| || | designed more for XP and above]

|| ||

|| || Mysteriously, avast! counts that one as two virus-free files.

|| || WinZip will not open it for me to count how many are actually

|| || inside. However, InCtrl5 reported the following after its

|| || install...

|| ||

|| || Folders added: 19

|| || Files added: 199

|| |

|| | Well then it can scan XP manifest files, or at least its own. I

|| | have seen files that AVG could scan with the same coding [or

|| | similar] so not sure why it couldn't do Avast's.

||

|| Well, there's a chink in AVG's armor too, then, is all.

|

| Yeah, apparently, though can anyone claim any AV program is 100%

| failure proof, likely not.

Agreed. And it would be nice for an easy way to scan the files inside

every self-extractable for a virus before clicking it to install. BUT,

the last laugh hopefully goes to our virus checker on the day we do

click them to install. Then, the On-Access scanner gets a chance. Mine

is set to scan on open & on create!

|| || | And a rar file I created of Microsoft's Desktop Deployment

|| || | package scanned 101

|| ||

|| || Very good. Too bad AVG is going obsolete for Win98 like McAfee

|| || did, if I understand that correctly. I have only one .rar...

|| ||

|| || Uniextract15_noinst.rar

|| || Avast! reports it has 210 virus-free files inside of 21.0 MB.

|| || WinZip won't open it for me to verify that number.

|| ||

|| || Avast! works fine with all .zip & .cab files I've tried too.

|| |

|| | Well then some differing supported, and some missed in each.

||

|| It is only self-executable .exe's that avast! seems occasionally to

|| have trouble with. But, as I said, I fully expect its On-Access

|| scanning will catch anything inside during the install.

||

|| Avast! is great with Internet Mail, Newsgroups & WEB sites! It marks

|| each incoming & outgoing post as scanned (Properties, Details tab)...

|

| AVG had [has] that, though still included as an option which I have

| configured, using text for reading and posting seems to not include

| that, and only does so for messages with attachments ...

Avast! seems to scan them all & attachments too. It is the Internet Mail

"provider" doing it, which is optional, as are the other four-- Instant

Messaging, P2P Shield, Standard Shield & WEB Shield. I've installed them

all, although I doubt I am using the IM or P2P.

||

|| X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000778-3, 10/04/2007), Outbound message

|| X-Antivirus-Status: Clean

||

|| And I can see it scanning individual TIFs (Temporary Internet Files)

|| as they are being put into the folder! There's a setting to have

|| them pop up in information windows!

|

| Well that could be useful I suppose... another way to monitor what's

| going on. AVG has the normal logs which can be reviewed.

It's fun to watch! They pop up on the bottom of the screen & are usually

too quick to read, though, when a site goes nuts loading TIFs. Yea,

there are .log's too.

||

|| || | Apparently it does most files IF it is a normal/standard file,

|| || | others are scanned on opening/access [and it has caught a few

|| || | for me] or creation

|| ||

|| || Absolutely. One hopes On-Access will catch any virus inside these

|| || self-extractables during the install process. Mine is set to scan

|| || on both open & create.

|| ||

|| || Otherwise, AVG seems to do a better job than avast! will with

|| || certain of them. Of course, I haven't counted the number of

|| || self-extractables that avast! does scan well. I do have one that

|| || WinZip shows to contain 15 files-- but avast! will count only 13

|| || during its scan! If I extract all 15 with WinZip, avast! will then

|| || scan & count them all!

|| ||

|| || STILL, overall, I am very pleased with avast!, which now is

|| || updated to avast! 4.7 Home Edition, Build 4.7.1043.

|| |

|| | Well, I think I'll just wait for awhile before I move over to

|| | Avast, alot can happen in a year..

||

|| I waited until McAfee was totally dead before switching. To my

|| surprise, McAfee uninstalled like a lamb-- although it had wolf's

|| teeth sunk into stuff all over the place!

|

| Yeah, I was surprised when you previously indicated that...

Yep. I think there 2 Registry keys left behind & one big folder. The

folder might have been a previous version of McAfee.

I had occasion to uninstall avast! too. It was even cleaner, leaving

behind I think one empty Registry key & maybe one empty folder.

||

|| ||

|| || | ... though as usual with any AV, it does sometimes have

|| || | false positives or miss something new [though it generally is

|| || | picked up in a day or so] but since I have used AV progs such as

|| || | Thunderbyte, VirusScan, F-PROT, Transcan, Ontrack ViruScan,

|| || | McAfee, and a number of others though the *days* that's really

|| || | not unexpected..

|| ||

|| || I never had a false positive (or any positive) with McAfee. Avast!

|| || did come up with one false positive (of a file inside a

|| || self-extractable)-- but I've put it into avast!'s exclude list

|| || now. It did show that avast! worked fairly nicely putting the

|| || thing in/out of quarantine. HOWEVER, when taken out, the file

|| || date did change from its original. (Damn!)

|| |

|| | Back in ''''AH"" the DOS days, McAfee was purported as a good

|| | prog, yet running the BBSs I did run into dozens of false

|| | positives, had to use three [or more] different AVs just to ensure

|| | nothing got through or nothing was deleted by mistake someone

|| | uploaded. Now, I download, let it set for a few days so it can be

|| | scanned several times before testing it

||

|| It doesn't hurt to be overly cautious. I'm not a big NET traveler,

|| though, myself.

|

| Well I still am running the various tests, hence questionable files,

| so at least for awhile I have to be cautious ...

Very good.

||

|| || | Perhaps the AVG programmers think that to fully support XP and

|| || | VISTA they need to completely use the new installer environment

|| || | rather than the cross platform used in AVAST's installer.

|| ||

|| || That would be a kind of XP/Vista irradiation, then!

|| |

|| | Ah yeah, but its already in Avast...

||

|| I'm sure that would explain the few peccadilloes I have detected

|| such as spotty self-executable scanning! NOW, I've now DOUBLED the

|| thickness of my tinfoil hat-- and, oh, God, yes-- I DO see "XP"

|| written into certain avast! requestor & help screens! Oh, my God--

|| you are right!

||

|| ...snip

||

|

| You're DOOOOOOOOMEDDDDD, might want to get that full suit protection

| though ...

Nothing has begun to glow!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

Dan wrote:

| Do you think a Harry Pottery special wand would help with XP

| radiation and the deadly Gamma radiation from Vista?

I haven't come across a wand made into a pot to know, but I guess I'd

try it-- yea!

| LOL!!

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 6, 2007

Re: Support for AVG Free after August 2008

pixturesk@gmail.com wrote:

| On Oct 5, 3:18 pm, "PCR" <pcr...@netzero.net> wrote:

|> |> AVG seems to be a viable alternative to avast! (& may even

|> |> out-perform it with self-extractable .exe's)-- but isn't it about

|> |> to become obsolete or XP/Vista-irradiated?

|> |>

|

| As the guy who began this topic, I will repeat my original

| information.

|

| "While checking out the Grisoft site for some AVG Free information (I

| have been using AVG Free for a couple of years), I came across the

| following information:

|

| Important notice

|

| "Some older operating systems such as Microsoft Windows ME,

| Microsoft Windows NT and Microsoft Windows 98 will only be supported

| until August 2008 as a minimum".

|

| So I asked about this on the AVG Free forum, got the following

| response:

|

| "I can say that currently Win95 isn't officially supported but AVG

| Free still works on it... but I can't say that will also be true for

| Win98-WinME at the point that Grisoft does drop support for them. I

| can say that most ( not all ) of the other antivirus companies have

| already dropped support for Win9x-WinME and you can only expect most

| all to do the same very soon".

|

| Just thought I might bring this information to the attention of this

| group, check it out for yourself. I have just got a copy of Avast Home

| Edition which is also free, seems to get much better reviews, performs

| more functions than AVG. I also wrote to the Avast forum to ascertain

| their intentions about continuing support for Win98SE, got the

| following response:

|

| "The avast policy is to keep all features that were compatible with

| Windows 95, 98 and Me available. Only new features are being just

| developed for newer Windows versions.

| And ok, it will be free.

| Welcome to avast. I'm an ex AVG user too".

|

| Avast Home Edition Free requires its own registration process which

| you can check out on their website, where you can also get a number of

| skins to change the Avast look. Hope this helps"

|

| Since this original contribution, I have been using Avast with no

| problems, in my view it offers more complete protection, just taking

| what the AVG folks say as the truth. I will continue to use Avast.

OK. That's clear enough. It seems to be a features issue, but I am

basically happy with the features I've got now. Now that you've got

avast! installed...

(a) D-Clk its icon in the Tray.

(b) Highlight "WEB Shield" in the installed providers box.

Does "scanned count" show a number or zero, after you've been to a WEB

site? There may be a tweak for you to do, if zero is showing.

Also, how do things look at...

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