Guest Chuck_N Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running Wndows Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded through several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. As a result, it retains the old directory structure. We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It handles everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange Server 2003, enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is obviously the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no problems. Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are planning the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to create the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory structure to the current default structure for Server 2003. I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. Somewhere in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became very slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from the workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such as checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or accessing a drive share takes a very long time. I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I receive no error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has something to do with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, AD, and DNS replication appear to be working without errors. The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? Thanks -- Chuck_N
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server Hello, Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the latest drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running Wndows > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded through > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. As a > result, it retains the old directory structure. > > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It handles > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange Server > 2003, > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is > obviously > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no problems. > > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are > planning > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to create > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory structure to > the current default structure for Server 2003. > > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. > Somewhere > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became very > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from the > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such as > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or > accessing a > drive share takes a very long time. > > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I receive no > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has something to > do > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, AD, > and > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. > > > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. > > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? > > Thanks > -- > Chuck_N
Guest Chuck_N Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I recognized the problem. It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I will check on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. -- Chuck_N "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > Hello, > > Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the latest > drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? > > -- > Cordialement, > Mathieu CHATEAU > http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > > > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... > >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running Wndows > > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded through > > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. As a > > result, it retains the old directory structure. > > > > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It handles > > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange Server > > 2003, > > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is > > obviously > > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no problems. > > > > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are > > planning > > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to create > > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory structure to > > the current default structure for Server 2003. > > > > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. > > Somewhere > > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became very > > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from the > > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such as > > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or > > accessing a > > drive share takes a very long time. > > > > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I receive no > > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has something to > > do > > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, AD, > > and > > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. > > > > > > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. > > > > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? > > > > Thanks > > -- > > Chuck_N > >
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both forced in speed and duplex You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): netstat -e -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I recognized the > problem. > > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I will check > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. > -- > Chuck_N > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the >> latest >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >> >> -- >> Cordialement, >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running >> >Wndows >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded >> > through >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. As >> > a >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >> > >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It handles >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange Server >> > 2003, >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is >> > obviously >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no >> > problems. >> > >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are >> > planning >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to >> > create >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory structure >> > to >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >> > >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. >> > Somewhere >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became >> > very >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from >> > the >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such as >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or >> > accessing a >> > drive share takes a very long time. >> > >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I receive >> > no >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has something >> > to >> > do >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, >> > AD, >> > and >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >> > >> > >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. >> > >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >> > >> > Thanks >> > -- >> > Chuck_N >> >>
Guest Chuck_N Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate 1000 gbs. That had no effect. I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That had no effect. I ran netstat -e several times. Each time I got similar results: Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 Discards: 0 / 0 Errors: 0 / 0 Unknown Protocols: 4 I don't think that is a problem. -- Chuck_N "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both forced in > speed and duplex > > You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): > netstat -e > > > -- > Cordialement, > Mathieu CHATEAU > http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > > > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... > > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I recognized the > > problem. > > > > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I will check > > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. > > -- > > Chuck_N > > > > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the > >> latest > >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? > >> > >> -- > >> Cordialement, > >> Mathieu CHATEAU > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... > >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running > >> >Wndows > >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded > >> > through > >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. As > >> > a > >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. > >> > > >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It handles > >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange Server > >> > 2003, > >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is > >> > obviously > >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no > >> > problems. > >> > > >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are > >> > planning > >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to > >> > create > >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory structure > >> > to > >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. > >> > > >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. > >> > Somewhere > >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became > >> > very > >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from > >> > the > >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such as > >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or > >> > accessing a > >> > drive share takes a very long time. > >> > > >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I receive > >> > no > >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has something > >> > to > >> > do > >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, > >> > AD, > >> > and > >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. > >> > > >> > > >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. > >> > > >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? > >> > > >> > Thanks > >> > -- > >> > Chuck_N > >> > >> > >
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. Can your switch be managed ? Which driver and version are you using ? You may experience network-related problems after you install Windows Server 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com French blog: http://www.lotp.fr "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate 1000 gbs. > That had no effect. > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That had no > effect. > > I ran netstat -e several times. > > Each time I got similar results: > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 > Discards: 0 / 0 > Errors: 0 / 0 > Unknown Protocols: 4 > > I don't think that is a problem. > > > > -- > Chuck_N > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both forced >> in >> speed and duplex >> >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >> netstat -e >> >> >> -- >> Cordialement, >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I recognized >> > the >> > problem. >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I will >> > check >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >> > -- >> > Chuck_N >> > >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the >> >> latest >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Cordialement, >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running >> >> >Wndows >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded >> >> > through >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. >> >> > As >> >> > a >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >> >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It >> >> > handles >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange >> >> > Server >> >> > 2003, >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is >> >> > obviously >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no >> >> > problems. >> >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are >> >> > planning >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to >> >> > create >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory >> >> > structure >> >> > to >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >> >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. >> >> > Somewhere >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became >> >> > very >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from >> >> > the >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such >> >> > as >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or >> >> > accessing a >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >> >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I >> >> > receive >> >> > no >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has >> >> > something >> >> > to >> >> > do >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, >> >> > AD, >> >> > and >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. >> >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >> >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > -- >> >> > Chuck_N >> >> >> >> >> >>
Guest Chuck_N Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server This is significant. I was able to access the share from the original server with no problem. The connection was as fast as expected. This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers are on the same subnet. My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the network. Only the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I added SP2. I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to assess my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably when it tries to access the new server. -- Chuck_N "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. Can your > switch be managed ? > Which driver and version are you using ? > > You may experience network-related problems after you install Windows Server > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 > > > -- > Cordialement, > Mathieu CHATEAU > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr > > > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate 1000 gbs. > > That had no effect. > > > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That had no > > effect. > > > > I ran netstat -e several times. > > > > Each time I got similar results: > > > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 > > Discards: 0 / 0 > > Errors: 0 / 0 > > Unknown Protocols: 4 > > > > I don't think that is a problem. > > > > > > > > -- > > Chuck_N > > > > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > > > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both forced > >> in > >> speed and duplex > >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): > >> netstat -e > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cordialement, > >> Mathieu CHATEAU > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I recognized > >> > the > >> > problem. > >> > > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I will > >> > check > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. > >> > -- > >> > Chuck_N > >> > > >> > > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hello, > >> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the > >> >> latest > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> Cordialement, > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running > >> >> >Wndows > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded > >> >> > through > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. > >> >> > As > >> >> > a > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. > >> >> > > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It > >> >> > handles > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange > >> >> > Server > >> >> > 2003, > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is > >> >> > obviously > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no > >> >> > problems. > >> >> > > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are > >> >> > planning > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to > >> >> > create > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory > >> >> > structure > >> >> > to > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. > >> >> > > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. > >> >> > Somewhere > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became > >> >> > very > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from > >> >> > the > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such > >> >> > as > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or > >> >> > accessing a > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. > >> >> > > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I > >> >> > receive > >> >> > no > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has > >> >> > something > >> >> > to > >> >> > do > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, > >> >> > AD, > >> >> > and > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. > >> >> > > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? > >> >> > > >> >> > Thanks > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Chuck_N > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >
Guest Chuck_N Posted September 29, 2007 Posted September 29, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. All other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new in security that would be creating this probelm? -- Chuck_N "Chuck_N" wrote: > This is significant. > > I was able to access the share from the original server with no problem. > The connection was as fast as expected. > > This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to > security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers are on the > same subnet. > > My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the network. Only > the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I added SP2. > > I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to assess > my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably when it > tries to access the new server. > > > -- > Chuck_N > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > > > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. Can your > > switch be managed ? > > Which driver and version are you using ? > > > > You may experience network-related problems after you install Windows Server > > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack > > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 > > > > > > -- > > Cordialement, > > Mathieu CHATEAU > > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr > > > > > > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... > > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate 1000 gbs. > > > That had no effect. > > > > > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That had no > > > effect. > > > > > > I ran netstat -e several times. > > > > > > Each time I got similar results: > > > > > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent > > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 > > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 > > > Discards: 0 / 0 > > > Errors: 0 / 0 > > > Unknown Protocols: 4 > > > > > > I don't think that is a problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Chuck_N > > > > > > > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > > > > > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both forced > > >> in > > >> speed and duplex > > >> > > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): > > >> netstat -e > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Cordialement, > > >> Mathieu CHATEAU > > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > > >> > > >> > > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... > > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I recognized > > >> > the > > >> > problem. > > >> > > > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I will > > >> > check > > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. > > >> > -- > > >> > Chuck_N > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Hello, > > >> >> > > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have the > > >> >> latest > > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Cordialement, > > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU > > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... > > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server running > > >> >> >Wndows > > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been upgraded > > >> >> > through > > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version of NT. > > >> >> > As > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It > > >> >> > handles > > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, Exchange > > >> >> > Server > > >> >> > 2003, > > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It is > > >> >> > obviously > > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had no > > >> >> > problems. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and are > > >> >> > planning > > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I decided to > > >> >> > create > > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory > > >> >> > structure > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and SP2. > > >> >> > Somewhere > > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server became > > >> >> > very > > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only from > > >> >> > the > > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, such > > >> >> > as > > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, or > > >> >> > accessing a > > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I > > >> >> > receive > > >> >> > no > > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has > > >> >> > something > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > do > > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. WINS, > > >> >> > AD, > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Thanks > > >> >> > -- > > >> >> > Chuck_N > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > > >
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted September 30, 2007 Posted September 30, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the domain (<5mn) ? When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the copy operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based computers http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com French blog: http://www.lotp.fr "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. All > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new in > security that would be creating this probelm? > -- > Chuck_N > > > "Chuck_N" wrote: > >> This is significant. >> >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no problem. >> The connection was as fast as expected. >> >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers are on >> the >> same subnet. >> >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the network. >> Only >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I added >> SP2. >> >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to >> assess >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably >> when it >> tries to access the new server. >> >> >> -- >> Chuck_N >> >> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. Can >> > your >> > switch be managed ? >> > Which driver and version are you using ? >> > >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install Windows >> > Server >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Cordialement, >> > Mathieu CHATEAU >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >> > >> > >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate 1000 >> > >gbs. >> > > That had no effect. >> > > >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That >> > > had no >> > > effect. >> > > >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. >> > > >> > > Each time I got similar results: >> > > >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 >> > > >> > > I don't think that is a problem. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Chuck_N >> > > >> > > >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> > > >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both >> > >> forced >> > >> in >> > >> speed and duplex >> > >> >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >> > >> netstat -e >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -- >> > >> Cordialement, >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I >> > >> > recognized >> > >> > the >> > >> > problem. >> > >> > >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I >> > >> > will >> > >> > check >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Chuck_N >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> >> Hello, >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have >> > >> >> the >> > >> >> latest >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >> > >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> > >> >> Cordialement, >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server >> > >> >> >running >> > >> >> >Wndows >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been >> > >> >> > upgraded >> > >> >> > through >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version >> > >> >> > of NT. >> > >> >> > As >> > >> >> > a >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It >> > >> >> > handles >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, >> > >> >> > Exchange >> > >> >> > Server >> > >> >> > 2003, >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It >> > >> >> > is >> > >> >> > obviously >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had >> > >> >> > no >> > >> >> > problems. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and >> > >> >> > are >> > >> >> > planning >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I >> > >> >> > decided to >> > >> >> > create >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory >> > >> >> > structure >> > >> >> > to >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and >> > >> >> > SP2. >> > >> >> > Somewhere >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server >> > >> >> > became >> > >> >> > very >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only >> > >> >> > from >> > >> >> > the >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, >> > >> >> > such >> > >> >> > as >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, >> > >> >> > or >> > >> >> > accessing a >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I >> > >> >> > receive >> > >> >> > no >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has >> > >> >> > something >> > >> >> > to >> > >> >> > do >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. >> > >> >> > WINS, >> > >> >> > AD, >> > >> >> > and >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > Thanks >> > >> >> > -- >> > >> >> > Chuck_N >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >
Guest Chuck_N Posted October 1, 2007 Posted October 1, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server I "solved" the problem with the following command on the Vista workstation: netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled I found that solution on another blog, but it came with no decription of what it does. You have talked about syncing with the domain, etc. I do not understand what impact the above command has. Do you have any idea of where I can look to correct the problem at the network level so that I can turn autotuing back on? Is there something in SP2 that would have caused the problem? Thank you very much for your help. -- Chuck_N "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the > domain (<5mn) ? > > > When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the copy > operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based computers > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us > > > -- > Cordialement, > Mathieu CHATEAU > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr > > > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... > > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. All > > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new in > > security that would be creating this probelm? > > -- > > Chuck_N > > > > > > "Chuck_N" wrote: > > > >> This is significant. > >> > >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no problem. > >> The connection was as fast as expected. > >> > >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to > >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers are on > >> the > >> same subnet. > >> > >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the network. > >> Only > >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I added > >> SP2. > >> > >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to > >> assess > >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably > >> when it > >> tries to access the new server. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Chuck_N > >> > >> > >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> > >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. Can > >> > your > >> > switch be managed ? > >> > Which driver and version are you using ? > >> > > >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install Windows > >> > Server > >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack > >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Cordialement, > >> > Mathieu CHATEAU > >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr > >> > > >> > > >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... > >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate 1000 > >> > >gbs. > >> > > That had no effect. > >> > > > >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That > >> > > had no > >> > > effect. > >> > > > >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. > >> > > > >> > > Each time I got similar results: > >> > > > >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent > >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 > >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 > >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 > >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 > >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 > >> > > > >> > > I don't think that is a problem. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > Chuck_N > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both > >> > >> forced > >> > >> in > >> > >> speed and duplex > >> > >> > >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): > >> > >> netstat -e > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Cordialement, > >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU > >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... > >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I > >> > >> > recognized > >> > >> > the > >> > >> > problem. > >> > >> > > >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I > >> > >> > will > >> > >> > check > >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. > >> > >> > -- > >> > >> > Chuck_N > >> > >> > > >> > >> > > >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> Hello, > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you have > >> > >> >> the > >> > >> >> latest > >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> -- > >> > >> >> Cordialement, > >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU > >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... > >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server > >> > >> >> >running > >> > >> >> >Wndows > >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been > >> > >> >> > upgraded > >> > >> >> > through > >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early version > >> > >> >> > of NT. > >> > >> >> > As > >> > >> >> > a > >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. It > >> > >> >> > handles > >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, > >> > >> >> > Exchange > >> > >> >> > Server > >> > >> >> > 2003, > >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. It > >> > >> >> > is > >> > >> >> > obviously > >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has had > >> > >> >> > no > >> > >> >> > problems. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, and > >> > >> >> > are > >> > >> >> > planning > >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I > >> > >> >> > decided to > >> > >> >> > create > >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the directory > >> > >> >> > structure > >> > >> >> > to > >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and > >> > >> >> > SP2. > >> > >> >> > Somewhere > >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server > >> > >> >> > became > >> > >> >> > very > >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - only > >> > >> >> > from > >> > >> >> > the > >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a workstation, > >> > >> >> > such > >> > >> >> > as > >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop Connection, > >> > >> >> > or > >> > >> >> > accessing a > >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. I > >> > >> >> > receive > >> > >> >> > no > >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has > >> > >> >> > something > >> > >> >> > to > >> > >> >> > do > >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error messages. > >> > >> >> > WINS, > >> > >> >> > AD, > >> > >> >> > and > >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no problems. > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? > >> > >> >> > > >> > >> >> > Thanks > >> > >> >> > -- > >> > >> >> > Chuck_N > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > > >
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted October 1, 2007 Posted October 1, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server thanks for sharing your solution more info about autotuning here: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/01/CableGuy/default.aspx?loc=en Receive Window Auto-Tuning in Windows Vista -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com French blog: http://www.lotp.fr "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:78AA7797-42FB-4064-A164-385DC019E369@microsoft.com... >I "solved" the problem with the following command on the Vista workstation: > > netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled > > I found that solution on another blog, but it came with no decription of > what it does. > > You have talked about syncing with the domain, etc. I do not understand > what impact the above command has. Do you have any idea of where I can > look > to correct the problem at the network level so that I can turn autotuing > back > on? > > Is there something in SP2 that would have caused the problem? > > Thank you very much for your help. > > > > > > -- > Chuck_N > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the >> domain (<5mn) ? >> >> >> When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the copy >> operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based >> computers >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us >> >> >> -- >> Cordialement, >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >> >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... >> > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. >> > All >> > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new >> > in >> > security that would be creating this probelm? >> > -- >> > Chuck_N >> > >> > >> > "Chuck_N" wrote: >> > >> >> This is significant. >> >> >> >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no >> >> problem. >> >> The connection was as fast as expected. >> >> >> >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to >> >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers are >> >> on >> >> the >> >> same subnet. >> >> >> >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the network. >> >> Only >> >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I >> >> added >> >> SP2. >> >> >> >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to >> >> assess >> >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably >> >> when it >> >> tries to access the new server. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Chuck_N >> >> >> >> >> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> >> >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. >> >> > Can >> >> > your >> >> > switch be managed ? >> >> > Which driver and version are you using ? >> >> > >> >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install >> >> > Windows >> >> > Server >> >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Cordialement, >> >> > Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >> >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate >> >> > >1000 >> >> > >gbs. >> >> > > That had no effect. >> >> > > >> >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That >> >> > > had no >> >> > > effect. >> >> > > >> >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. >> >> > > >> >> > > Each time I got similar results: >> >> > > >> >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent >> >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 >> >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 >> >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 >> >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 >> >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 >> >> > > >> >> > > I don't think that is a problem. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > Chuck_N >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both >> >> > >> forced >> >> > >> in >> >> > >> speed and duplex >> >> > >> >> >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >> >> > >> netstat -e >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> Cordialement, >> >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >> >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I >> >> > >> > recognized >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > problem. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I >> >> > >> > will >> >> > >> > check >> >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >> >> > >> > -- >> >> > >> > Chuck_N >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you >> >> > >> >> have >> >> > >> >> the >> >> > >> >> latest >> >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> >> > >> >> Cordialement, >> >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >> >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server >> >> > >> >> >running >> >> > >> >> >Wndows >> >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been >> >> > >> >> > upgraded >> >> > >> >> > through >> >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early >> >> > >> >> > version >> >> > >> >> > of NT. >> >> > >> >> > As >> >> > >> >> > a >> >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. >> >> > >> >> > It >> >> > >> >> > handles >> >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, >> >> > >> >> > Exchange >> >> > >> >> > Server >> >> > >> >> > 2003, >> >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. >> >> > >> >> > It >> >> > >> >> > is >> >> > >> >> > obviously >> >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has >> >> > >> >> > had >> >> > >> >> > no >> >> > >> >> > problems. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, >> >> > >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> > are >> >> > >> >> > planning >> >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I >> >> > >> >> > decided to >> >> > >> >> > create >> >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the >> >> > >> >> > directory >> >> > >> >> > structure >> >> > >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and >> >> > >> >> > SP2. >> >> > >> >> > Somewhere >> >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server >> >> > >> >> > became >> >> > >> >> > very >> >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - >> >> > >> >> > only >> >> > >> >> > from >> >> > >> >> > the >> >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a >> >> > >> >> > workstation, >> >> > >> >> > such >> >> > >> >> > as >> >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop >> >> > >> >> > Connection, >> >> > >> >> > or >> >> > >> >> > accessing a >> >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. >> >> > >> >> > I >> >> > >> >> > receive >> >> > >> >> > no >> >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has >> >> > >> >> > something >> >> > >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> > do >> >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error >> >> > >> >> > messages. >> >> > >> >> > WINS, >> >> > >> >> > AD, >> >> > >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no >> >> > >> >> > problems. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > Chuck_N >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >>
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted October 1, 2007 Posted October 1, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server some really better clues: Network connectivity may fail when you try to use Windows Vista behind a firewall device http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430/en-us Can you try te workaround ? -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com French blog: http://www.lotp.fr "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:78AA7797-42FB-4064-A164-385DC019E369@microsoft.com... >I "solved" the problem with the following command on the Vista workstation: > > netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled > > I found that solution on another blog, but it came with no decription of > what it does. > > You have talked about syncing with the domain, etc. I do not understand > what impact the above command has. Do you have any idea of where I can > look > to correct the problem at the network level so that I can turn autotuing > back > on? > > Is there something in SP2 that would have caused the problem? > > Thank you very much for your help. > > > > > > -- > Chuck_N > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: > >> indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the >> domain (<5mn) ? >> >> >> When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the copy >> operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based >> computers >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us >> >> >> -- >> Cordialement, >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >> >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... >> > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. >> > All >> > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new >> > in >> > security that would be creating this probelm? >> > -- >> > Chuck_N >> > >> > >> > "Chuck_N" wrote: >> > >> >> This is significant. >> >> >> >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no >> >> problem. >> >> The connection was as fast as expected. >> >> >> >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to >> >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers are >> >> on >> >> the >> >> same subnet. >> >> >> >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the network. >> >> Only >> >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I >> >> added >> >> SP2. >> >> >> >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to >> >> assess >> >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably >> >> when it >> >> tries to access the new server. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Chuck_N >> >> >> >> >> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> >> >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. >> >> > Can >> >> > your >> >> > switch be managed ? >> >> > Which driver and version are you using ? >> >> > >> >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install >> >> > Windows >> >> > Server >> >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack >> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Cordialement, >> >> > Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >> >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate >> >> > >1000 >> >> > >gbs. >> >> > > That had no effect. >> >> > > >> >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - That >> >> > > had no >> >> > > effect. >> >> > > >> >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. >> >> > > >> >> > > Each time I got similar results: >> >> > > >> >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent >> >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 >> >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 >> >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 >> >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 >> >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 >> >> > > >> >> > > I don't think that is a problem. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > -- >> >> > > Chuck_N >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> > > >> >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or both >> >> > >> forced >> >> > >> in >> >> > >> speed and duplex >> >> > >> >> >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >> >> > >> netstat -e >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> Cordialement, >> >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >> >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I >> >> > >> > recognized >> >> > >> > the >> >> > >> > problem. >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. I >> >> > >> > will >> >> > >> > check >> >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >> >> > >> > -- >> >> > >> > Chuck_N >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> >> Hello, >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you >> >> > >> >> have >> >> > >> >> the >> >> > >> >> latest >> >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> >> > >> >> Cordialement, >> >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >> >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server >> >> > >> >> >running >> >> > >> >> >Wndows >> >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been >> >> > >> >> > upgraded >> >> > >> >> > through >> >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early >> >> > >> >> > version >> >> > >> >> > of NT. >> >> > >> >> > As >> >> > >> >> > a >> >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. >> >> > >> >> > It >> >> > >> >> > handles >> >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, >> >> > >> >> > Exchange >> >> > >> >> > Server >> >> > >> >> > 2003, >> >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. >> >> > >> >> > It >> >> > >> >> > is >> >> > >> >> > obviously >> >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has >> >> > >> >> > had >> >> > >> >> > no >> >> > >> >> > problems. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, >> >> > >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> > are >> >> > >> >> > planning >> >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I >> >> > >> >> > decided to >> >> > >> >> > create >> >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the >> >> > >> >> > directory >> >> > >> >> > structure >> >> > >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 and >> >> > >> >> > SP2. >> >> > >> >> > Somewhere >> >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new server >> >> > >> >> > became >> >> > >> >> > very >> >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - >> >> > >> >> > only >> >> > >> >> > from >> >> > >> >> > the >> >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a >> >> > >> >> > workstation, >> >> > >> >> > such >> >> > >> >> > as >> >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop >> >> > >> >> > Connection, >> >> > >> >> > or >> >> > >> >> > accessing a >> >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no affect. >> >> > >> >> > I >> >> > >> >> > receive >> >> > >> >> > no >> >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has >> >> > >> >> > something >> >> > >> >> > to >> >> > >> >> > do >> >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error >> >> > >> >> > messages. >> >> > >> >> > WINS, >> >> > >> >> > AD, >> >> > >> >> > and >> >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no >> >> > >> >> > problems. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Thanks >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > >> >> > Chuck_N >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >>
Guest ChuckN Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. The problem occurs across our LAN. Therefore , there is no firewall device between the connections. In this case, the two Vista workstation connections to the server through a switch only. "Mathieu CHATEAU" <gollum123@free.fr> wrote in message news:uf%23dc%23FBIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > some really better clues: > > Network connectivity may fail when you try to use Windows Vista behind a > firewall device > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430/en-us > > Can you try te workaround ? > > -- > Cordialement, > Mathieu CHATEAU > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr > > > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:78AA7797-42FB-4064-A164-385DC019E369@microsoft.com... >>I "solved" the problem with the following command on the Vista >>workstation: >> >> netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled >> >> I found that solution on another blog, but it came with no decription of >> what it does. >> >> You have talked about syncing with the domain, etc. I do not understand >> what impact the above command has. Do you have any idea of where I can >> look >> to correct the problem at the network level so that I can turn autotuing >> back >> on? >> >> Is there something in SP2 that would have caused the problem? >> >> Thank you very much for your help. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Chuck_N >> >> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >> >>> indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the >>> domain (<5mn) ? >>> >>> >>> When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the copy >>> operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based >>> computers >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cordialement, >>> Mathieu CHATEAU >>> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>> >>> >>> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... >>> > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. >>> > All >>> > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new >>> > in >>> > security that would be creating this probelm? >>> > -- >>> > Chuck_N >>> > >>> > >>> > "Chuck_N" wrote: >>> > >>> >> This is significant. >>> >> >>> >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no >>> >> problem. >>> >> The connection was as fast as expected. >>> >> >>> >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to >>> >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers >>> >> are on >>> >> the >>> >> same subnet. >>> >> >>> >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the >>> >> network. >>> >> Only >>> >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I >>> >> added >>> >> SP2. >>> >> >>> >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try to >>> >> assess >>> >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - probably >>> >> when it >>> >> tries to access the new server. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> Chuck_N >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. >>> >> > Can >>> >> > your >>> >> > switch be managed ? >>> >> > Which driver and version are you using ? >>> >> > >>> >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install >>> >> > Windows >>> >> > Server >>> >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack >>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > Cordialement, >>> >> > Mathieu CHATEAU >>> >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>> >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >>> >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate >>> >> > >1000 >>> >> > >gbs. >>> >> > > That had no effect. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - >>> >> > > That >>> >> > > had no >>> >> > > effect. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Each time I got similar results: >>> >> > > >>> >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent >>> >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 >>> >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 >>> >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 >>> >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 >>> >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 >>> >> > > >>> >> > > I don't think that is a problem. >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > -- >>> >> > > Chuck_N >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>> >> > > >>> >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or >>> >> > >> both >>> >> > >> forced >>> >> > >> in >>> >> > >> speed and duplex >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >>> >> > >> netstat -e >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> -- >>> >> > >> Cordialement, >>> >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU >>> >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >>> >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I >>> >> > >> > recognized >>> >> > >> > the >>> >> > >> > problem. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. >>> >> > >> > I >>> >> > >> > will >>> >> > >> > check >>> >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >>> >> > >> > -- >>> >> > >> > Chuck_N >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >> Hello, >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you >>> >> > >> >> have >>> >> > >> >> the >>> >> > >> >> latest >>> >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> -- >>> >> > >> >> Cordialement, >>> >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >>> >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >>> >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old server >>> >> > >> >> >running >>> >> > >> >> >Wndows >>> >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been >>> >> > >> >> > upgraded >>> >> > >> >> > through >>> >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early >>> >> > >> >> > version >>> >> > >> >> > of NT. >>> >> > >> >> > As >>> >> > >> >> > a >>> >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the server. >>> >> > >> >> > It >>> >> > >> >> > handles >>> >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, >>> >> > >> >> > Exchange >>> >> > >> >> > Server >>> >> > >> >> > 2003, >>> >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more tasks. >>> >> > >> >> > It >>> >> > >> >> > is >>> >> > >> >> > obviously >>> >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has >>> >> > >> >> > had >>> >> > >> >> > no >>> >> > >> >> > problems. >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, >>> >> > >> >> > and >>> >> > >> >> > are >>> >> > >> >> > planning >>> >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I >>> >> > >> >> > decided to >>> >> > >> >> > create >>> >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the >>> >> > >> >> > directory >>> >> > >> >> > structure >>> >> > >> >> > to >>> >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 >>> >> > >> >> > and >>> >> > >> >> > SP2. >>> >> > >> >> > Somewhere >>> >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new >>> >> > >> >> > server >>> >> > >> >> > became >>> >> > >> >> > very >>> >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - >>> >> > >> >> > only >>> >> > >> >> > from >>> >> > >> >> > the >>> >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a >>> >> > >> >> > workstation, >>> >> > >> >> > such >>> >> > >> >> > as >>> >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop >>> >> > >> >> > Connection, >>> >> > >> >> > or >>> >> > >> >> > accessing a >>> >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no >>> >> > >> >> > affect. I >>> >> > >> >> > receive >>> >> > >> >> > no >>> >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem has >>> >> > >> >> > something >>> >> > >> >> > to >>> >> > >> >> > do >>> >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error >>> >> > >> >> > messages. >>> >> > >> >> > WINS, >>> >> > >> >> > AD, >>> >> > >> >> > and >>> >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no >>> >> > >> >> > problems. >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >>> >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >> >> > Thanks >>> >> > >> >> > -- >>> >> > >> >> > Chuck_N >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>> > >
Guest Mathieu CHATEAU Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server so except the fact that you needed to tweak autotuning, it works correctly ? -- Cordialement, Mathieu CHATEAU English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com French blog: http://www.lotp.fr "ChuckN" <Chuck@newmanArchitecture.com> wrote in message news:1C3E672D-FCC4-42B2-BC32-87B50FA9E2C9@microsoft.com... > Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. > > The problem occurs across our LAN. Therefore , there is no firewall > device between the connections. > In this case, the two Vista workstation connections to the server through > a switch only. > > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" <gollum123@free.fr> wrote in message > news:uf%23dc%23FBIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> some really better clues: >> >> Network connectivity may fail when you try to use Windows Vista behind a >> firewall device >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430/en-us >> >> Can you try te workaround ? >> >> -- >> Cordialement, >> Mathieu CHATEAU >> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >> >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:78AA7797-42FB-4064-A164-385DC019E369@microsoft.com... >>>I "solved" the problem with the following command on the Vista >>>workstation: >>> >>> netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled >>> >>> I found that solution on another blog, but it came with no decription of >>> what it does. >>> >>> You have talked about syncing with the domain, etc. I do not understand >>> what impact the above command has. Do you have any idea of where I can >>> look >>> to correct the problem at the network level so that I can turn autotuing >>> back >>> on? >>> >>> Is there something in SP2 that would have caused the problem? >>> >>> Thank you very much for your help. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Chuck_N >>> >>> >>> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>> >>>> indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the >>>> domain (<5mn) ? >>>> >>>> >>>> When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the >>>> copy >>>> operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based >>>> computers >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cordialement, >>>> Mathieu CHATEAU >>>> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>>> >>>> >>>> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... >>>> > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. >>>> > All >>>> > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something new >>>> > in >>>> > security that would be creating this probelm? >>>> > -- >>>> > Chuck_N >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > "Chuck_N" wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> This is significant. >>>> >> >>>> >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no >>>> >> problem. >>>> >> The connection was as fast as expected. >>>> >> >>>> >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related to >>>> >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers >>>> >> are on >>>> >> the >>>> >> same subnet. >>>> >> >>>> >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the >>>> >> network. >>>> >> Only >>>> >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I >>>> >> added >>>> >> SP2. >>>> >> >>>> >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try >>>> >> to >>>> >> assess >>>> >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - >>>> >> probably >>>> >> when it >>>> >> tries to access the new server. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> Chuck_N >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the switch. >>>> >> > Can >>>> >> > your >>>> >> > switch be managed ? >>>> >> > Which driver and version are you using ? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install >>>> >> > Windows >>>> >> > Server >>>> >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack >>>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > Cordialement, >>>> >> > Mathieu CHATEAU >>>> >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>> >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >>>> >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate >>>> >> > >1000 >>>> >> > >gbs. >>>> >> > > That had no effect. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - >>>> >> > > That >>>> >> > > had no >>>> >> > > effect. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Each time I got similar results: >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent >>>> >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 >>>> >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 >>>> >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 >>>> >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 >>>> >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > I don't think that is a problem. >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > -- >>>> >> > > Chuck_N >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>> >> > > >>>> >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or >>>> >> > >> both >>>> >> > >> forced >>>> >> > >> in >>>> >> > >> speed and duplex >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >>>> >> > >> netstat -e >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> -- >>>> >> > >> Cordialement, >>>> >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU >>>> >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>> >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >>>> >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I >>>> >> > >> > recognized >>>> >> > >> > the >>>> >> > >> > problem. >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. >>>> >> > >> > I >>>> >> > >> > will >>>> >> > >> > check >>>> >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >>>> >> > >> > -- >>>> >> > >> > Chuck_N >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>> >> > >> > >>>> >> > >> >> Hello, >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you >>>> >> > >> >> have >>>> >> > >> >> the >>>> >> > >> >> latest >>>> >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> -- >>>> >> > >> >> Cordialement, >>>> >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >>>> >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >>>> >> > >> >> message >>>> >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >>>> >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old >>>> >> > >> >> >server >>>> >> > >> >> >running >>>> >> > >> >> >Wndows >>>> >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been >>>> >> > >> >> > upgraded >>>> >> > >> >> > through >>>> >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early >>>> >> > >> >> > version >>>> >> > >> >> > of NT. >>>> >> > >> >> > As >>>> >> > >> >> > a >>>> >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the >>>> >> > >> >> > server. It >>>> >> > >> >> > handles >>>> >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, >>>> >> > >> >> > Exchange >>>> >> > >> >> > Server >>>> >> > >> >> > 2003, >>>> >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more >>>> >> > >> >> > tasks. It >>>> >> > >> >> > is >>>> >> > >> >> > obviously >>>> >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has >>>> >> > >> >> > had >>>> >> > >> >> > no >>>> >> > >> >> > problems. >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new server, >>>> >> > >> >> > and >>>> >> > >> >> > are >>>> >> > >> >> > planning >>>> >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I >>>> >> > >> >> > decided to >>>> >> > >> >> > create >>>> >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the >>>> >> > >> >> > directory >>>> >> > >> >> > structure >>>> >> > >> >> > to >>>> >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 >>>> >> > >> >> > and >>>> >> > >> >> > SP2. >>>> >> > >> >> > Somewhere >>>> >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new >>>> >> > >> >> > server >>>> >> > >> >> > became >>>> >> > >> >> > very >>>> >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the workstation - >>>> >> > >> >> > only >>>> >> > >> >> > from >>>> >> > >> >> > the >>>> >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a >>>> >> > >> >> > workstation, >>>> >> > >> >> > such >>>> >> > >> >> > as >>>> >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop >>>> >> > >> >> > Connection, >>>> >> > >> >> > or >>>> >> > >> >> > accessing a >>>> >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no >>>> >> > >> >> > affect. I >>>> >> > >> >> > receive >>>> >> > >> >> > no >>>> >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem >>>> >> > >> >> > has >>>> >> > >> >> > something >>>> >> > >> >> > to >>>> >> > >> >> > do >>>> >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error >>>> >> > >> >> > messages. >>>> >> > >> >> > WINS, >>>> >> > >> >> > AD, >>>> >> > >> >> > and >>>> >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no >>>> >> > >> >> > problems. >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> >> > >> >> > Thanks >>>> >> > >> >> > -- >>>> >> > >> >> > Chuck_N >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >>>> >> >> >
Guest ChuckN Posted October 25, 2007 Posted October 25, 2007 Re: Slow connection with new server Yes "Mathieu CHATEAU" <gollum123@free.fr> wrote in message news:e2ReTR1FIHA.936@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > so except the fact that you needed to tweak autotuning, it works correctly > ? > > -- > Cordialement, > Mathieu CHATEAU > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr > > > "ChuckN" <Chuck@newmanArchitecture.com> wrote in message > news:1C3E672D-FCC4-42B2-BC32-87B50FA9E2C9@microsoft.com... >> Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. >> >> The problem occurs across our LAN. Therefore , there is no firewall >> device between the connections. >> In this case, the two Vista workstation connections to the server through >> a switch only. >> >> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" <gollum123@free.fr> wrote in message >> news:uf%23dc%23FBIHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> some really better clues: >>> >>> Network connectivity may fail when you try to use Windows Vista behind a >>> firewall device >>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/934430/en-us >>> >>> Can you try te workaround ? >>> >>> -- >>> Cordialement, >>> Mathieu CHATEAU >>> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>> >>> >>> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:78AA7797-42FB-4064-A164-385DC019E369@microsoft.com... >>>>I "solved" the problem with the following command on the Vista >>>>workstation: >>>> >>>> netsh interface tcp set global autotuninglevel=disabled >>>> >>>> I found that solution on another blog, but it came with no decription >>>> of >>>> what it does. >>>> >>>> You have talked about syncing with the domain, etc. I do not >>>> understand >>>> what impact the above command has. Do you have any idea of where I can >>>> look >>>> to correct the problem at the network level so that I can turn >>>> autotuing back >>>> on? >>>> >>>> Is there something in SP2 that would have caused the problem? >>>> >>>> Thank you very much for your help. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Chuck_N >>>> >>>> >>>> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>> >>>>> indeed it may, is it large files ? Is the Vista clock in sync with the >>>>> domain (<5mn) ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> When you copy large files to or from earlier operating systems, the >>>>> copy >>>>> operation may be slower than expected on some Windows Vista-based >>>>> computers >>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932170/en-us >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Cordialement, >>>>> Mathieu CHATEAU >>>>> English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>>> French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:39CBDD8E-67A6-499A-8C0E-73D3F7C332E4@microsoft.com... >>>>> > The workstation Iam working from is the only workstation with Vista. >>>>> > All >>>>> > other workstations can access the new server. Is there something >>>>> > new in >>>>> > security that would be creating this probelm? >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Chuck_N >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > "Chuck_N" wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> This is significant. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I was able to access the share from the original server with no >>>>> >> problem. >>>>> >> The connection was as fast as expected. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> This is not a cabling issue or a NIC issue. This must be related >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> security. I don't think this is a DNS issue. All three computers >>>>> >> are on >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> same subnet. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> My desktop has no problem assessing any other computer on the >>>>> >> network. >>>>> >> Only >>>>> >> the new server. And I do not think that problem showed up until I >>>>> >> added >>>>> >> SP2. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> I have given myself full rights to the new share. Even when I try >>>>> >> to >>>>> >> assess >>>>> >> my list of computers on the network, there is a long delay - >>>>> >> probably >>>>> >> when it >>>>> >> tries to access the new server. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -- >>>>> >> Chuck_N >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > You mustn't change the speed without doing the same on the >>>>> >> > switch. Can >>>>> >> > your >>>>> >> > switch be managed ? >>>>> >> > Which driver and version are you using ? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > You may experience network-related problems after you install >>>>> >> > Windows >>>>> >> > Server >>>>> >> > 2003 SP2 or the Scalable Networking Pack >>>>> >> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/936594 >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > Cordialement, >>>>> >> > Mathieu CHATEAU >>>>> >> > English blog: http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>>> >> > French blog: http://www.lotp.fr >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> >> > news:7F1F7037-F5A4-4FC8-A05C-B4C072801592@microsoft.com... >>>>> >> > >I reinstalled the driver. I changed the speed to auto negotiate >>>>> >> > >1000 >>>>> >> > >gbs. >>>>> >> > > That had no effect. >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > I changed the cable from the punchdown block to the server. - >>>>> >> > > That >>>>> >> > > had no >>>>> >> > > effect. >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > I ran netstat -e several times. >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > Each time I got similar results: >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > Bytes: 1038075 Received / 989775 sent >>>>> >> > > Unicast Packets: 3075 / 3437 >>>>> >> > > Non-unicast Packets: 107 / 36 >>>>> >> > > Discards: 0 / 0 >>>>> >> > > Errors: 0 / 0 >>>>> >> > > Unknown Protocols: 4 >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > I don't think that is a problem. >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > -- >>>>> >> > > Chuck_N >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>>> >> > > >>>>> >> > >> Also check that the network card and switch are both auto or >>>>> >> > >> both >>>>> >> > >> forced >>>>> >> > >> in >>>>> >> > >> speed and duplex >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> You may also check for errors (damaged cable...): >>>>> >> > >> netstat -e >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> -- >>>>> >> > >> Cordialement, >>>>> >> > >> Mathieu CHATEAU >>>>> >> > >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >>>>> >> > >> news:6C6C0D86-D484-43D4-B19D-F8B827BB8C4E@microsoft.com... >>>>> >> > >> > Thank you Mathieu. I think it was after I added SP2 that I >>>>> >> > >> > recognized >>>>> >> > >> > the >>>>> >> > >> > problem. >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > It is a new Gateway server. I am using the on-board GB NIC. >>>>> >> > >> > I >>>>> >> > >> > will >>>>> >> > >> > check >>>>> >> > >> > on the NIC driver to make sure they are up to date. >>>>> >> > >> > -- >>>>> >> > >> > Chuck_N >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> > "Mathieu CHATEAU" wrote: >>>>> >> > >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> Hello, >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> Service pack 2 add many things on the network core. Do you >>>>> >> > >> >> have >>>>> >> > >> >> the >>>>> >> > >> >> latest >>>>> >> > >> >> drivers ? Is it a Dell with Broadcom network card? >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> -- >>>>> >> > >> >> Cordialement, >>>>> >> > >> >> Mathieu CHATEAU >>>>> >> > >> >> http://lordoftheping.blogspot.com >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> "Chuck_N" <ChuckN@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in >>>>> >> > >> >> message >>>>> >> > >> >> news:09DF7E7B-3B7B-479E-92B3-04DD3DE9CECB@microsoft.com... >>>>> >> > >> >> >I am preparing a new server to replace our 5 year old >>>>> >> > >> >> >server >>>>> >> > >> >> >running >>>>> >> > >> >> >Wndows >>>>> >> > >> >> > Server 2003 - Enterprise edition. That server has been >>>>> >> > >> >> > upgraded >>>>> >> > >> >> > through >>>>> >> > >> >> > several versions of servers probably back to an early >>>>> >> > >> >> > version >>>>> >> > >> >> > of NT. >>>>> >> > >> >> > As >>>>> >> > >> >> > a >>>>> >> > >> >> > result, it retains the old directory structure. >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > We only have 20 workstations that are served by the >>>>> >> > >> >> > server. It >>>>> >> > >> >> > handles >>>>> >> > >> >> > everthing for us including file sharing, web site, FTP, >>>>> >> > >> >> > Exchange >>>>> >> > >> >> > Server >>>>> >> > >> >> > 2003, >>>>> >> > >> >> > enterprise virus protection, and probably a few more >>>>> >> > >> >> > tasks. It >>>>> >> > >> >> > is >>>>> >> > >> >> > obviously >>>>> >> > >> >> > the PDC. This 5 year old server is running great and has >>>>> >> > >> >> > had >>>>> >> > >> >> > no >>>>> >> > >> >> > problems. >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > Because of its age, we are replacing it with a new >>>>> >> > >> >> > server, and >>>>> >> > >> >> > are >>>>> >> > >> >> > planning >>>>> >> > >> >> > the same configuration with new equipment. This time, I >>>>> >> > >> >> > decided to >>>>> >> > >> >> > create >>>>> >> > >> >> > the new server from scratch. This will correct the >>>>> >> > >> >> > directory >>>>> >> > >> >> > structure >>>>> >> > >> >> > to >>>>> >> > >> >> > the current default structure for Server 2003. >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > I installed Server 2003 on the new server including SP 1 >>>>> >> > >> >> > and >>>>> >> > >> >> > SP2. >>>>> >> > >> >> > Somewhere >>>>> >> > >> >> > in adding the updates, I found that access to the new >>>>> >> > >> >> > server >>>>> >> > >> >> > became >>>>> >> > >> >> > very >>>>> >> > >> >> > slow. It is not slow from the server to the >>>>> >> > >> >> > workstation - only >>>>> >> > >> >> > from >>>>> >> > >> >> > the >>>>> >> > >> >> > workstation to the server. Anything I do from a >>>>> >> > >> >> > workstation, >>>>> >> > >> >> > such >>>>> >> > >> >> > as >>>>> >> > >> >> > checking Event Viewer, initiating a Remote Desktop >>>>> >> > >> >> > Connection, >>>>> >> > >> >> > or >>>>> >> > >> >> > accessing a >>>>> >> > >> >> > drive share takes a very long time. >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > I have added AD and DNS to the second server with no >>>>> >> > >> >> > affect. I >>>>> >> > >> >> > receive >>>>> >> > >> >> > no >>>>> >> > >> >> > error messages on either server. I suspect the problem >>>>> >> > >> >> > has >>>>> >> > >> >> > something >>>>> >> > >> >> > to >>>>> >> > >> >> > do >>>>> >> > >> >> > with security or DNS, but I am not getting an error >>>>> >> > >> >> > messages. >>>>> >> > >> >> > WINS, >>>>> >> > >> >> > AD, >>>>> >> > >> >> > and >>>>> >> > >> >> > DNS replication appear to be working without errors. >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > The original server continues to work fine - with no >>>>> >> > >> >> > problems. >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > Any idea of what the problem could be on the new server? >>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>> >> > >> >> > Thanks >>>>> >> > >> >> > -- >>>>> >> > >> >> > Chuck_N >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> > >
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