IE Crashes on this medical website?

October 3, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Yes, I was able to open that web site. I'm on dial-up, and it took a few

minutes to load, but it finally did.

MAK wrote:

> I get the Microsoft Internet Explorer has encountered a problem and needs

to

> close. Error report containing what I've listed.

>

> I usually able to plough through something like this, but after several

> hours and trying *many* things, no luck. Though I am no expert on what

goes

> on behind websites, I'm still wondering if it has something to do with

> Flash.

>

> Can you open this page http://www.hmsgold.com It directs you to a welcome page

> that I can't open (Firefox has no problem) It just hangs. However, if I

in

> the address bar delete everything back to this

> http://www.hmsgold.com/hmsgold/ I have no problem. The welcome page has

a

> lot of flash going on.

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:eckH37WBIHA.1184@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> It is strange, but thanks for checking. I've been reading up on the

mshtml

>> page fault errors on the net too, but nothing applies. I forgot - did

you

>> get that same error, or just a crash and redirect to the MS site. I

don't

>> have that "feature", since I (somehow) disabled that redirect to MS web

site

>> "feature" some time ago (I can't even remember when, where, or how).

>>

>> MAK wrote:

>>> I Googled the error... & spent several hours today trying to solve. AND

I

>>> mean I tried *everything* that was out there. No luck, sometimes 1st

>>> instance to the webmd site no problem... but always, same error message.

>>>

>>> MAK.

>>>

>>> AppName: iexplore.exe AppVer: 6.0.2800.1106 ModName: mshtml.dll

>>> ModVer: 6.0.2800.1555 Offset: 001843c1

>>>

>>> "MAK" <masters444(at)hotmail(dot)com> wrote in message

>>> news:%23a$1SxOBIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Crashes for me... IE 6.0.2800.1106 SPI

>>>>

>>>> AppName: iexplore.exe AppVer: 6.0.2800.1106 ModName: mshtml.dll

>>>> ModVer: 6.0.2800.1555 Offset: 001843c1

>>>>

>>>> Glee,

>>>>

>>>> What update do you think could be missing. I think I have all. I've

>>>> received this message a couple of times before and wondered why. Could

it

>>>> be something to do with flash.

>>>>

>>>> MAK.

>>>>

>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems to

>>>>> crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.webmd.com

October 3, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

I disabled the Dr. as well... I guess when all else fails, it's the

obvious... The site itself, as it's really only happening there. Just hate

not being able to solve the problem.

Thanks Rick. We'll let this one, RIP

"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message

news:OdrmpSfBIHA.4956@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

> > Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems to

> > crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

> >

> > http://www.webmd.com

>

> I tried it a few times and it was fine, opened a few tabs on the website

> and it was still fine, then opened a new (dual) window on the site and

> clicked around even some more, then all the sudden I did get a send error

> report (same one that bobster did, which btw is driven by the dr watson

> oriented DW15.exe which dumps in its dw.log file

>

> The Send Error Report basically had this in it:

>

> AppName: iexplore.exe

> AppVer: 6.0.2800.1106

> ModName: mshtml.dll

> ModVer: 6.0.2800.1543

> Offset: 000970c6

>

> I rarely get these errors so I would suspect something within the websites

> webpage construction; which is something I would not be concerned with

> personally unless every website did that error on you.

>

> Rick

>

October 3, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Bill in Co. wrote:

| Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

|

| I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

| "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

|

| I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

|

| Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for this

| particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at least so

| far), so it appears it has something to do with some somewhat unique

| page content or rendering for this one site. (Well, that, and the

| fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

|

| It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

| problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates he

| has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

|

| And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of which

| is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical reference site

| (http://www.webmd.com)

|

| Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added all

| those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't have

animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg, .swf, .js,

etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was for a

while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is what I've

got now...

MSHTML.DLL

Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

Size: 2,702,848 bytes

Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following put

it in here...

Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

(KB916281)

Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and Windows ME

(KB917734)

Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

| bobster wrote:

|> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

|>

|> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

|> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems

|> to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

|>

|> http://www.webmd.com

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 3, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

I'd be more than willing to try (yet another) version of that mshtml.dll

file (like your newer version 6.00.2800.1555), but I haven't been able to

find it yet on the net. I have tried one or two others, and still have

issues.

PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

>>

>> I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

>> "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

>>

>> I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

>>

>> Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for this

>> particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at least so

>> far), so it appears it has something to do with some somewhat unique

>> page content or rendering for this one site. (Well, that, and the

>> fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

>>

>> It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

>> problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates he

>> has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

>>

>> And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of which

>> is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical reference site

>> (http://www.webmd.com)

>>

>> Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added all

>> those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

>

> The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

> bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't have

> animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg, .swf, .js,

> etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

>

> You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was for a

> while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is what I've

> got now...

>

> MSHTML.DLL

> Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

> Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

> Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

> Size: 2,702,848 bytes

> Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

>

> And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following put

> it in here...

>

> Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

> Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

> (KB916281)

> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

> Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and Windows ME

> (KB917734)

>

> Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

>

>> bobster wrote:

>>> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

>>>

>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems

>>> to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

>>>

>>> http://www.webmd.com

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 3, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Bill in Co. wrote:

| I'd be more than willing to try (yet another) version of that

| mshtml.dll file (like your newer version 6.00.2800.1555), but I

| haven't been able to find it yet on the net. I have tried one or

| two others, and still have issues.

I see that glee eventually crashed, & he has my IE & MSHTML.dll

versions. I've even gone into the symptom checker now-- it's a tad slow,

but hasn't crashed me yet. This is my 2nd time at the site.

What shows up in the IE About box-- do you have Cumulative Security

Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) there?

I think it would be best to go for that, instead of for a stray

MSHTML.dll. HOWEVER, here is an old post of mine that has other

alternatives, possibly first suggested by Dundat (G. Gedye)...

the following will give you version...1173, but, weirdly,

this fix came out earlier than v...1170.

816506 - The removeNode() Function in a Script Call May Cause an Access

Violation in Mshtml.dll:

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816506

Version 1173 of mshtml.dll may be downloaded directly from Microsoft at

this link:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=878c5cd5-0a58-40e8-a963-7496c71d1f40&DisplayLang=en

I don't know whether those URLs still work, & obviously those seem

ancient compared to my current v.1555.

| PCR wrote:

|> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>> Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

|>>

|>> I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

|>> "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

|>>

|>> I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

|>>

|>> Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for this

|>> particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at least so

|>> far), so it appears it has something to do with some somewhat unique

|>> page content or rendering for this one site. (Well, that, and the

|>> fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

|>>

|>> It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

|>> problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates he

|>> has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

|>>

|>> And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of

|>> which is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical

|>> reference site (http://www.webmd.com)

|>>

|>> Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added

|>> all those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

|>

|> The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

|> bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't

|> have animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg,

|> .swf, .js, etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

|>

|> You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was

|> for a while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is

|> what I've got now...

|>

|> MSHTML.DLL

|> Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

|> Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

|> Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

|> Size: 2,702,848 bytes

|> Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

|>

|> And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following

|> put it in here...

|>

|> Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

|> Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

|> (KB916281)

|> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

|> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

|> Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and

|> Windows ME (KB917734)

|>

|> Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

|>

|>> bobster wrote:

|>>> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

|>>>

|>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

|>>> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems

|>>> to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

|>>>

|>>> http://www.webmd.com

|>

|> --

|> Thanks or Good Luck,

|> There may be humor in this post, and,

|> Naturally, you will not sue,

|> Should things get worse after this,

|> PCR

|> pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 3, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

PCR wrote:

| Bill in Co. wrote:

|| Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

||

|| I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

|| "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

||

|| I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

||

|| Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for this

|| particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at least so

|| far), so it appears it has something to do with some somewhat unique

|| page content or rendering for this one site. (Well, that, and the

|| fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

||

|| It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

|| problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates he

|| has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

||

|| And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of which

|| is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical reference site

|| (http://www.webmd.com)

||

|| Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added all

|| those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

|

| The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

| bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't have

| animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg, .swf, .js,

| etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

UPDATE:

Now, I do see a lasting animation at the site-- at least on the main

page, even after it has fully downloaded. And the ad at top seems to be

a spy of sorts-- because it is offering knee surgery after I was looking

up knee symptoms in the Symptom Checker! But my knee doesn't hurt

anymore!

I am showing "Macromedia Flash Player 8" listed in Add/Remove Programs.

What is yours?

| You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was for

| a while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is what

| I've got now...

|

| MSHTML.DLL

| Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

| Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

| Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

| Size: 2,702,848 bytes

| Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

|

| And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following put

| it in here...

|

| Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

| Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

| (KB916281)

| Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

| Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

| Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and Windows

| ME (KB917734)

|

| Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

|

|| bobster wrote:

||> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

||>

||> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

||> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

||> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems

||> to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

||>

||> http://www.webmd.com

|

| --

| Thanks or Good Luck,

| There may be humor in this post, and,

| Naturally, you will not sue,

| Should things get worse after this,

| PCR

| pcrrcp@netzero.net

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Note the following post that I made last december.

I have been using the 6.00.2800.1586 version of Mshtml.dll ever since,

with no issues.

I spent about 5 minutes clicking around http://www.webmd.com and IE

didn't crash or mis-behave. The answer could very well be in

installing this entire hotfix, as described below.

--------------

Subject: Microsoft continues to support Windows 98 (was: ...)

Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:31:46 -0500

From: 98 Guy <98@Guy.com>

Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-072.mspx

For that particular bulletin, the update file for Win-2000 SP4 is

available here:

http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/43288b03-38c7-4610-9f77-0d988726ba54/IE6.0sp1-KB925454-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe

If you have problems with that link, try this:

http://tinyurl.com/ycn965

Contained within that particular file, you will find the following

files:

File Name old version date new version

Cdfview.dll 6.00.2800.1612 12/07/04 6.0.2800.1896

Danim.dll 6.03.01.0148 10/20/05 6.3.1.148

Dxtmsft.dll 6.00.2800.1106 8/29/02 6.3.2800.1586

Dxtrans.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.3.2800.1586

Iepeers.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.0.2800.1586

Inseng.dll 6.00.2800.1469 8/26/04 6.0.2800.1586

Jsproxy.dll 6.00.2800.1106 8/29/02 6.0.2800.1586

Mshtml.dll 6.00.2800.1561 6/30/06 6.0.2800.1586

Msrating.dll 6.00.2800.1623 2/24/05 6.0.2800.1896

Mstime.dll 6.00.2800.1537 10/23/06 6.0.2800.1586

Pngfilt.dll 6.00.2800.1505 4/27/05 6.0.2800.1586

Shdocvw.dll 6.00.2800.1815 3/21/06 6.0.2800.1896

Shlwapi.dll 6.00.2800.1740 8/31/05 6.0.2800.1896

Urlmon.dll 6.00.2800.1572 8/30/06 6.0.2800.1586

Wininet.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.0.2800.1586

browseui.dll 6.00.2800.1692 6/17/05 6.00.2800.1896

I am listing the updated DLL files along with the version and file

date I currently have and the new version being provided by

Meekro$oft.

The last 5 files must be replaced under DOS (ie they can't be replaced

while windows is running).

I have replaced the above DLL's and have been able to run IE6 on my

Win-98se system and haven't seen any problems.

Some may want to un-register the old DLL's and then register the new

versions. I simply renamed the old files and copied the new ones to

my Win-98\system directory (that's where they all normally reside).

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> I'd be more than willing to try (yet another) version of that

>> mshtml.dll file (like your newer version 6.00.2800.1555), but I

>> haven't been able to find it yet on the net. I have tried one or

>> two others, and still have issues.

>

> I see that glee eventually crashed, & he has my IE & MSHTML.dll

> versions. I've even gone into the symptom checker now-- it's a tad slow,

> but hasn't crashed me yet. This is my 2nd time at the site.

>

> What shows up in the IE About box-- do you have Cumulative Security

> Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) there?

Hell no!! LOL. Thanks, but no thanks.

> I think it would be best to go for that, instead of for a stray

> MSHTML.dll. HOWEVER, here is an old post of mine that has other

> alternatives, possibly first suggested by Dundat (G. Gedye)...

>

> the following will give you version...1173, but, weirdly,

> this fix came out earlier than v...1170.

>

> 816506 - The removeNode() Function in a Script Call May Cause an Access

> Violation in Mshtml.dll:

> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816506

>

> Version 1173 of mshtml.dll may be downloaded directly from Microsoft at

> this link:

>

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=878c5cd5-0a58-40e8-

a963-7496c71d1f40&DisplayLang=en

>

> I don't know whether those URLs still work, & obviously those seem

> ancient compared to my current v.1555.

Well, I'm now using version 1274 of mshtml, and it still happens.

And I also got it to crash with versions 1170, and I believe 1106.

Interestingly enough, one time, and only one time, it didn't crash (when I

first tested 1170), but then it did again later on. So I'm back with the

newer 1274, (although its not as new as your 1555, which I should probably

look for - and test). The highest one I've found so far is 1274, but I

may not have searched enough.

>> PCR wrote:

>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>>> Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

>>>>

>>>> I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

>>>> "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

>>>>

>>>> I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

>>>>

>>>> Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for this

>>>> particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at least so

>>>> far), so it appears it has something to do with some somewhat unique

>>>> page content or rendering for this one site. (Well, that, and the

>>>> fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

>>>>

>>>> It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

>>>> problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates he

>>>> has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

>>>>

>>>> And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of

>>>> which is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical

>>>> reference site (http://www.webmd.com)

>>>>

>>>> Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added

>>>> all those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

>>>

>>> The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

>>> bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't

>>> have animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg,

>>> .swf, .js, etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

>>>

>>> You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was

>>> for a while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is

>>> what I've got now...

>>>

>>> MSHTML.DLL

>>> Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

>>> Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

>>> Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

>>> Size: 2,702,848 bytes

>>> Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

>>>

>>> And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following

>>> put it in here...

>>>

>>> Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

>>> Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

>>> (KB916281)

>>> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

>>> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

>>> Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and

>>> Windows ME (KB917734)

>>>

>>> Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

>>>

>>>> bobster wrote:

>>>>> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

>>>>>

>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>>> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems

>>>>> to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

>>>>>

>>>>> http://www.webmd.com

>>>

>>> --

>>> Thanks or Good Luck,

>>> There may be humor in this post, and,

>>> Naturally, you will not sue,

>>> Should things get worse after this,

>>> PCR

>>> pcrrcp@netzero.net

>

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

"Bill in Co." wrote in message

news:uD1ZM9WBIHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Roxana wrote:

> > Working fine for me. (IE6 / Win98se fully updated)

> >

> > Correction:

> > Worked fine the first time from your link here. Then accessed newsgroups

> in

> > Google, and tried link there. It crashed... "IE encountered a

> problem...".

>

> Which doesn't tell us much unless you get that error message box where you

> can click on Details, to see the exact cause.

Mistakenly, I went there again. Certainly a case of "too much information"

(which even I don't want to know about. *ggg*

Anyway, I malingered about, clicking and searching (search probably needs

Active Scripting to work) and no problems. Then went back to the main WebMD

home page by clearing address bar of sub-domains. It crashed. Error Message

is:

AppName: iexplore.exe AppVer: 6.0.2800.1106 ModName: mshtml.dll

ModVer: 6.0.2800.1555 Offset: 001843c1

>

> > <snipped>

> >

> > Must be too much busy-ness with the sites page or something.

>

> Maybe that page is a bit too "loaded" for IE 6 I dunno. Again, it

> gives no problems in Firefox.

um.

>

> > "Bill in Co." wrote:

> >> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems to

> crash

> >> IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

> >>

> >> http://www.webmd.com

>

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Aha, another mshtml.dll related crash - thanks for checking.

Roxana wrote:

> "Bill in Co." wrote in message

> news:uD1ZM9WBIHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Roxana wrote:

>>> Working fine for me. (IE6 / Win98se fully updated)

>>>

>>> Correction:

>>> Worked fine the first time from your link here. Then accessed newsgroups

in

>>> Google, and tried link there. It crashed... "IE encountered a

problem...".

>>

>> Which doesn't tell us much unless you get that error message box where

you

>> can click on Details, to see the exact cause.

>

> Mistakenly, I went there again. Certainly a case of "too much information"

> (which even I don't want to know about. *ggg*

> Anyway, I malingered about, clicking and searching (search probably needs

> Active Scripting to work) and no problems. Then went back to the main

WebMD

> home page by clearing address bar of sub-domains. It crashed. Error

Message

> is:

>

> AppName: iexplore.exe AppVer: 6.0.2800.1106 ModName: mshtml.dll

> ModVer: 6.0.2800.1555 Offset: 001843c1

>>

>>> <snipped>

>>>

>>> Must be too much busy-ness with the sites page or something.

>>

>> Maybe that page is a bit too "loaded" for IE 6 I dunno. Again, it

>> gives no problems in Firefox.

>

> um.

>>

>>> "Bill in Co." wrote:

>>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It seems to

crash

>>>> IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

>>>>

>>>> http://www.webmd.com

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:470446E3.3823F57A@Guy.com...

| Note the following post that I made last december.

|

| I have been using the 6.00.2800.1586 version of Mshtml.dll ever since,

| with no issues.

|

| I spent about 5 minutes clicking around http://www.webmd.com and IE

| didn't crash or mis-behave. The answer could very well be in

| installing this entire hotfix, as described below.

|

| --------------

|

| Subject: Microsoft continues to support Windows 98 (was: ...)

| Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:31:46 -0500

| From: 98 Guy <98@Guy.com>

| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

|

| > http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-072.mspx

|

| For that particular bulletin, the update file for Win-2000 SP4 is

| available here:

|

http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/43288b03-38c7-4610-9f77-0d988726ba54/IE6.0sp1-KB925454-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe

|

| If you have problems with that link, try this:

|

| http://tinyurl.com/ycn965

|

| Contained within that particular file, you will find the following

| files:

|

| File Name old version date new version

|

| Cdfview.dll 6.00.2800.1612 12/07/04 6.0.2800.1896

| Danim.dll 6.03.01.0148 10/20/05 6.3.1.148

| Dxtmsft.dll 6.00.2800.1106 8/29/02 6.3.2800.1586

| Dxtrans.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.3.2800.1586

| Iepeers.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.0.2800.1586

| Inseng.dll 6.00.2800.1469 8/26/04 6.0.2800.1586

| Jsproxy.dll 6.00.2800.1106 8/29/02 6.0.2800.1586

| Mshtml.dll 6.00.2800.1561 6/30/06 6.0.2800.1586

| Msrating.dll 6.00.2800.1623 2/24/05 6.0.2800.1896

| Mstime.dll 6.00.2800.1537 10/23/06 6.0.2800.1586

| Pngfilt.dll 6.00.2800.1505 4/27/05 6.0.2800.1586

|

| Shdocvw.dll 6.00.2800.1815 3/21/06 6.0.2800.1896

| Shlwapi.dll 6.00.2800.1740 8/31/05 6.0.2800.1896

| Urlmon.dll 6.00.2800.1572 8/30/06 6.0.2800.1586

| Wininet.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.0.2800.1586

| browseui.dll 6.00.2800.1692 6/17/05 6.00.2800.1896

|

| I am listing the updated DLL files along with the version and file

| date I currently have and the new version being provided by

| Meekro$oft.

|

| The last 5 files must be replaced under DOS (ie they can't be replaced

| while windows is running).

|

| I have replaced the above DLL's and have been able to run IE6 on my

| Win-98se system and haven't seen any problems.

|

| Some may want to un-register the old DLL's and then register the new

| versions. I simply renamed the old files and copied the new ones to

| my Win-98\system directory (that's where they all normally reside).

Since we have entered the unofficial:

Ah, those were also updated later via IE937143.EXE

Such as:

6.00.2800.1597 mshtml.dll

6.00.2800.1913 (xpsp2.070612-1027) Shdocvw.dll

And possibly after that as well ...

Might check if interested on Axcel216-MGDx or MSFN:

http://www.mdgx.com/ietoy.htm

http://www.msfn.org/board/complete_list_hotfixes_and_updates_Wind_t84886.html

http://www.msfn.org/board/98_FE_98_SE_updates_patches_ho_t46581.html

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Bill in Co. wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>> I'd be more than willing to try (yet another) version of that

|>> mshtml.dll file (like your newer version 6.00.2800.1555), but I

|>> haven't been able to find it yet on the net. I have tried one or

|>> two others, and still have issues.

|>

|> I see that glee eventually crashed, & he has my IE & MSHTML.dll

|> versions. I've even gone into the symptom checker now-- it's a tad

|> slow, but hasn't crashed me yet. This is my 2nd time at the site.

|>

|> What shows up in the IE About box-- do you have Cumulative Security

|> Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) there?

|

| Hell no!! LOL. Thanks, but no thanks.

I understand.

|> I think it would be best to go for that, instead of for a stray

|> MSHTML.dll. HOWEVER, here is an old post of mine that has other

|> alternatives, possibly first suggested by Dundat (G. Gedye)...

|>

|> the following will give you version...1173, but, weirdly,

|> this fix came out earlier than v...1170.

|>

|> 816506 - The removeNode() Function in a Script Call May Cause an

|> Access Violation in Mshtml.dll:

|> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816506

|>

|> Version 1173 of mshtml.dll may be downloaded directly from Microsoft

|> at this link:

|>

|

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=878c5cd5-0a58-40e8-

| a963-7496c71d1f40&DisplayLang=en

|>

|> I don't know whether those URLs still work, & obviously those seem

|> ancient compared to my current v.1555.

|

| Well, I'm now using version 1274 of mshtml, and it still happens.

|

| And I also got it to crash with versions 1170, and I believe 1106.

|

| Interestingly enough, one time, and only one time, it didn't crash

| (when I first tested 1170), but then it did again later on. So I'm

| back with the newer 1274, (although its not as new as your 1555,

| which I should probably look for - and test). The highest one I've

| found so far is 1274, but I may not have searched enough.

Well, that's a 2,702,848 byte file, & I'm sure the number of my

assassins would treble were I to attach it. So...

I am showing "Macromedia Flash Player 8" listed in Add/Remove Programs.

What do you see there, or in "C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files"?

Because the site does involve animations, I can think Macromedia has

something to do with it. It is a site involving tons of TIFs of various

file types too.

Also, what are your settings at... "Internet Options, Security tab,

Internet". I am set to Medium there. And at the "Advanced tab,

Multimedia section", all are checked except the first item (which is the

only "don't").

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>>>> Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

|>>>>

|>>>> I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

|>>>> "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

|>>>>

|>>>> I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

|>>>>

|>>>> Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for

|>>>> this particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at

|>>>> least so far), so it appears it has something to do with some

|>>>> somewhat unique page content or rendering for this one site.

|>>>> (Well, that, and the fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

|>>>>

|>>>> It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

|>>>> problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates

|>>>> he has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

|>>>>

|>>>> And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of

|>>>> which is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical

|>>>> reference site (http://www.webmd.com)

|>>>>

|>>>> Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added

|>>>> all those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

|>>>

|>>> The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

|>>> bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't

|>>> have animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg,

|>>> .swf, .js, etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

|>>>

|>>> You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was

|>>> for a while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is

|>>> what I've got now...

|>>>

|>>> MSHTML.DLL

|>>> Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

|>>> Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

|>>> Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

|>>> Size: 2,702,848 bytes

|>>> Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

|>>>

|>>> And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following

|>>> put it in here...

|>>>

|>>> Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

|>>> Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

|>>> (KB916281)

|>>> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

|>>> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

|>>> Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and

|>>> Windows ME (KB917734)

|>>>

|>>> Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

|>>>

|>>>> bobster wrote:

|>>>>> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

|>>>>>

|>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

|>>>>> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|>>>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It

|>>>>> seems to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

|>>>>>

|>>>>> http://www.webmd.com

|>>>

....snip

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 4, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Bill in Co. wrote:

| Aha, another mshtml.dll related crash - thanks for checking.

I still haven't crashed there, even replicating Roxana's reported

activity. HOWEVER, the site did slow to a crawl, until it was closed &

re-opened! NOW, it is back to modicum-slow! That site really does give

TIFs a workout, Colorado!

| Roxana wrote:

|> "Bill in Co." wrote in message

|> news:uD1ZM9WBIHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|>> Roxana wrote:

|>>> Working fine for me. (IE6 / Win98se fully updated)

|>>>

|>>> Correction:

|>>> Worked fine the first time from your link here. Then accessed

|>>> newsgroups in Google, and tried link there. It crashed... "IE

|>>> encountered a problem...".

|>>

|>> Which doesn't tell us much unless you get that error message box

|>> where you can click on Details, to see the exact cause.

|>

|> Mistakenly, I went there again. Certainly a case of "too much

|> information" (which even I don't want to know about. *ggg*

|> Anyway, I malingered about, clicking and searching (search probably

|> needs Active Scripting to work) and no problems. Then went back to

|> the main WebMD home page by clearing address bar of sub-domains. It

|> crashed. Error Message is:

|>

|> AppName: iexplore.exe AppVer: 6.0.2800.1106 ModName: mshtml.dll

|> ModVer: 6.0.2800.1555 Offset: 001843c1

|>>

|>>> <snipped>

|>>>

|>>> Must be too much busy-ness with the sites page or something.

|>>

|>> Maybe that page is a bit too "loaded" for IE 6 I dunno.

|>> Again, it gives no problems in Firefox.

|>

|> um.

|>>

|>>> "Bill in Co." wrote:

|>>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It

|>>>> seems to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

|>>>>

|>>>> http://www.webmd.com

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

PCR wrote:

> Bill in Co. wrote:

>> PCR wrote:

>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>>> I'd be more than willing to try (yet another) version of that

>>>> mshtml.dll file (like your newer version 6.00.2800.1555), but I

>>>> haven't been able to find it yet on the net. I have tried one or

>>>> two others, and still have issues.

>>>

>>> I see that glee eventually crashed, & he has my IE & MSHTML.dll

>>> versions. I've even gone into the symptom checker now-- it's a tad

>>> slow, but hasn't crashed me yet. This is my 2nd time at the site.

>>>

>>> What shows up in the IE About box-- do you have Cumulative Security

>>> Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) there?

>>

>> Hell no!! LOL. Thanks, but no thanks.

>

> I understand.

>

>>> I think it would be best to go for that, instead of for a stray

>>> MSHTML.dll. HOWEVER, here is an old post of mine that has other

>>> alternatives, possibly first suggested by Dundat (G. Gedye)...

>>>

>>> the following will give you version...1173, but, weirdly,

>>> this fix came out earlier than v...1170.

>>>

>>> 816506 - The removeNode() Function in a Script Call May Cause an

>>> Access Violation in Mshtml.dll:

>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816506

>>>

>>> Version 1173 of mshtml.dll may be downloaded directly from Microsoft

>>> at this link:

>>>

>>

>

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=878c5cd5-0a58-40e8-

>> a963-7496c71d1f40&DisplayLang=en

>>>

>>> I don't know whether those URLs still work, & obviously those seem

>>> ancient compared to my current v.1555.

>>

>> Well, I'm now using version 1274 of mshtml, and it still happens.

Do note that above. Happens even with version 1274.

>> And I also got it to crash with versions 1170, and I believe 1106.

>>

>> Interestingly enough, one time, and only one time, it didn't crash

>> (when I first tested 1170), but then it did again later on. So I'm

>> back with the newer 1274, (although its not as new as your 1555,

>> which I should probably look for - and test). The highest one I've

>> found so far is 1274, but I may not have searched enough.

>

> Well, that's a 2,702,848 byte file, & I'm sure the number of my

> assassins would treble were I to attach it. So...

>

> I am showing "Macromedia Flash Player 8" listed in Add/Remove Programs.

> What do you see there, or in "C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded Program Files"?

Version 9. I'm ahead of ya. And Version 10 of Shockwave.

> Because the site does involve animations, I can think Macromedia has

> something to do with it. It is a site involving tons of TIFs of various

> file types too.

Maybe, but I seem to be pretty up to date with both Flash and Shockwave.

> Also, what are your settings at... "Internet Options, Security tab,

> Internet". I am set to Medium there.

Medium Low, for less nags.

> And at the "Advanced tab,

> Multimedia section", all are checked except the first item (which is the

> only "don't").

All are checked except: "Don't display online content in the media bar",

"Enable Automatic Image Resizing" (I didn't like that one as I recall),

"Enable Image Toolbar", and "Show Image download placeholders", all of which

shouldn't matter here.

But like I say, it did load up ok one time, which seems to suggest it's not

in there, anyways.

>>>> PCR wrote:

>>>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

>>>>>> Really? Hey, thanks for letting me know I wasn't the only one.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I recorded the error message this time, as follows:

>>>>>> "IEXPLORE caused an invalid page fault in MSHTML.DLL".

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I'm assuming you got the same error message. (???)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Well, I researched that a bit, but so far, no real answers for

>>>>>> this particular case, since it only happens at this one site (at

>>>>>> least so far), so it appears it has something to do with some

>>>>>> somewhat unique page content or rendering for this one site.

>>>>>> (Well, that, and the fact that mshtml.dll is involved).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It was interesting to hear, though, that Glen didn't have any

>>>>>> problems with that site. And that may be due to all the updates

>>>>>> he has taken in, who knows. Or maybe not.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> And of course Firefox has no problems with it, either. All of

>>>>>> which is too bad, since the site looks like a good medical

>>>>>> reference site (http://www.webmd.com)

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Hey PCR, what about you? But then again, you've probably added

>>>>>> all those updates, so it's not a relatively pure IE6 SP1 anymore.

>>>>>

>>>>> The sites works fine for me, testing it only once-- but I clicked a

>>>>> bunch of links in it. Careful eating Topps beef! The site doesn't

>>>>> have animations that I saw-- but avast! does show a TON of .jpg,

>>>>> .swf, .js, etc., files getting scanned on each link I click!

>>>>>

>>>>> You are right. I took all the critical updates-- & MSHTML.DLL was

>>>>> for a while problematic. They redid that one a few times! Here is

>>>>> what I've got now...

>>>>>

>>>>> MSHTML.DLL

>>>>> Desc: Microsoft ® HTML Viewer

>>>>> Loc: C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM

>>>>> Mod: Friday, May 19, 2006 03:52:28 PM

>>>>> Size: 2,702,848 bytes

>>>>> Ver: 6.00.2800.1555

>>>>>

>>>>> And I know, from notes in my SFCLog.txt, that one of the following

>>>>> put it in here...

>>>>>

>>>>> Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB918439)

>>>>> Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1

>>>>> (KB916281)

>>>>> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547)

>>>>> Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344)

>>>>> Security Update for Windows Media Player 9 for Windows 98 and

>>>>> Windows ME (KB917734)

>>>>>

>>>>> Of those, my guess is it was KB916281 that did it!

>>>>>

>>>>>> bobster wrote:

>>>>>>> I tried it 6 times. Crashed 4, worked twice. (IE6SP1)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:e2dnYlGBIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>>> Does anybody else have problems in IE with this site? It

>>>>>>> seems to crash IE on my computer (but works fine in Firefox):

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> http://www.webmd.com

>>>>>

>

> ...snip

> --

> Thanks or Good Luck,

> There may be humor in this post, and,

> Naturally, you will not sue,

> Should things get worse after this,

> PCR

> pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

I hope this poster is the true and real 98 Guy since the post is not filled

with hatred like previous ones. I hate identity theft because it has

happened to me twice now and first in a home break in --- in Tucson Arizona

with the theft of my social security card, place trashed, computers tried to

be accessed -- BIOS password stopped mine from being accessed and now in 2007

with the hacking of my computer because I was stupid and did not follow

proper VPN security protocals. Please email me if you want further details

dewspace1975@hotmail.com

Just remove the space --- BTW, I will only answer emails from people who I

recognize so if I don't know you don't even bother emailing and if you do

into the trash it goes for all you spammers out there --- <grins>

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

MEB, was your previous arguments with the false 98 Guy? I did contact

Microsoft and they said they would contact the proper authorities and it

looks like they did because the Ethernet BAD Posts are fortunately and

thanfully removed.

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Dan wrote:

> MEB, was your previous arguments with the false 98 Guy?

Well MEB?

You want to answer that?

> I did contact Microsoft and they said they would contact

> the proper authorities and it looks like they did because

> the Ethernet BAD Posts are fortunately and thanfully removed.

I had a brief look at the MS technet interface to this newsgroup.

Horrible. Absolutely horrible.

I can't believe how many of you people use that as a way to read and

post to this or any other MS newsgroup.

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

98 Guy wrote:

> Note the following post that I made last december.

>

> I have been using the 6.00.2800.1586 version of Mshtml.dll ever since,

> with no issues.

>

> I spent about 5 minutes clicking around http://www.webmd.com and IE

> didn't crash or mis-behave. The answer could very well be in

> installing this entire hotfix, as described below.

>

> --------------

>

> Subject: Microsoft continues to support Windows 98 (was: ...)

> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 20:31:46 -0500

> From: 98 Guy <98@Guy.com>

> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion

>

>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS06-072.mspx

>

> For that particular bulletin, the update file for Win-2000 SP4 is

> available here:

>

http://download.microsoft.com/download/4/3/2/43288b03-38c7-4610-9f77-0d988726ba54/IE6.0sp1-KB925454-Windows2000-x86-ENU.exe

>

> If you have problems with that link, try this:

>

> http://tinyurl.com/ycn965

>

> Contained within that particular file, you will find the following

> files:

>

> File Name old version date new version

>

> Cdfview.dll 6.00.2800.1612 12/07/04 6.0.2800.1896

> Danim.dll 6.03.01.0148 10/20/05 6.3.1.148

> Dxtmsft.dll 6.00.2800.1106 8/29/02 6.3.2800.1586

> Dxtrans.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.3.2800.1586

> Iepeers.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.0.2800.1586

> Inseng.dll 6.00.2800.1469 8/26/04 6.0.2800.1586

> Jsproxy.dll 6.00.2800.1106 8/29/02 6.0.2800.1586

> Mshtml.dll 6.00.2800.1561 6/30/06 6.0.2800.1586

> Msrating.dll 6.00.2800.1623 2/24/05 6.0.2800.1896

> Mstime.dll 6.00.2800.1537 10/23/06 6.0.2800.1586

> Pngfilt.dll 6.00.2800.1505 4/27/05 6.0.2800.1586

>

> Shdocvw.dll 6.00.2800.1815 3/21/06 6.0.2800.1896

> Shlwapi.dll 6.00.2800.1740 8/31/05 6.0.2800.1896

> Urlmon.dll 6.00.2800.1572 8/30/06 6.0.2800.1586

> Wininet.dll 6.00.2800.1534 2/24/06 6.0.2800.1586

> browseui.dll 6.00.2800.1692 6/17/05 6.00.2800.1896

>

> I am listing the updated DLL files along with the version and file

> date I currently have and the new version being provided by

> Meekro$oft.

>

> The last 5 files must be replaced under DOS (ie they can't be replaced

> while windows is running).

>

> I have replaced the above DLL's and have been able to run IE6 on my

> Win-98se system and haven't seen any problems.

>

> Some may want to un-register the old DLL's and then register the new

> versions. I simply renamed the old files and copied the new ones to

> my Win-98\system directory (that's where they all normally reside).

That's interesting!

Like others, I'm getting the same crash. And like others, I also have

the older version of MSHTML.DLL (6.00.2800.1555).

Before I click on the link above, I need to know what potential problems

exist. After all, I'm not running Windows 2000!

Also, I see that there are at least two newer versions of MSHTML.DLL:

6.0.2800.1586 (mentioned above)

6.00.2800.1598 (mentioned by lb in another post)

So where can one find 1598?

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Bill in Co. wrote:

| PCR wrote:

|> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>> PCR wrote:

|>>> Bill in Co. wrote:

|>>>> I'd be more than willing to try (yet another) version of that

|>>>> mshtml.dll file (like your newer version 6.00.2800.1555), but I

|>>>> haven't been able to find it yet on the net. I have tried one

|>>>> or two others, and still have issues.

|>>>

|>>> I see that glee eventually crashed, & he has my IE & MSHTML.dll

|>>> versions. I've even gone into the symptom checker now-- it's a tad

|>>> slow, but hasn't crashed me yet. This is my 2nd time at the site.

|>>>

|>>> What shows up in the IE About box-- do you have Cumulative Security

|>>> Update for Internet Explorer 6 Service Pack 1 (KB916281) there?

|>>

|>> Hell no!! LOL. Thanks, but no thanks.

|>

|> I understand.

|>

|>>> I think it would be best to go for that, instead of for a stray

|>>> MSHTML.dll. HOWEVER, here is an old post of mine that has other

|>>> alternatives, possibly first suggested by Dundat (G. Gedye)...

|>>>

|>>> the following will give you version...1173, but, weirdly,

|>>> this fix came out earlier than v...1170.

|>>>

|>>> 816506 - The removeNode() Function in a Script Call May Cause an

|>>> Access Violation in Mshtml.dll:

|>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=816506

|>>>

|>>> Version 1173 of mshtml.dll may be downloaded directly from

|>>> Microsoft at this link:

|>>>

|>>

|>

|

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=878c5cd5-0a58-40e8-

|>> a963-7496c71d1f40&DisplayLang=en

|>>>

|>>> I don't know whether those URLs still work, & obviously those seem

|>>> ancient compared to my current v.1555.

|>>

|>> Well, I'm now using version 1274 of mshtml, and it still happens.

|

| Do note that above. Happens even with version 1274.

|

|>> And I also got it to crash with versions 1170, and I believe 1106.

|>>

|>> Interestingly enough, one time, and only one time, it didn't crash

|>> (when I first tested 1170), but then it did again later on. So

|>> I'm back with the newer 1274, (although its not as new as your 1555,

|>> which I should probably look for - and test). The highest one

|>> I've found so far is 1274, but I may not have searched enough.

|>

|> Well, that's a 2,702,848 byte file, & I'm sure the number of my

|> assassins would treble were I to attach it. So...

|>

|> I am showing "Macromedia Flash Player 8" listed in Add/Remove

|> Programs. What do you see there, or in "C:\WINDOWS\Downloaded

|> Program Files"?

|

| Version 9. I'm ahead of ya. And Version 10 of Shockwave.

Looks like that isn't the problem, then.

|> Because the site does involve animations, I can think Macromedia has

|> something to do with it. It is a site involving tons of TIFs of

|> various file types too.

|

| Maybe, but I seem to be pretty up to date with both Flash and

| Shockwave.

|

|> Also, what are your settings at... "Internet Options, Security tab,

|> Internet". I am set to Medium there.

|

| Medium Low, for less nags.

That isn't the problem, then.

|> And at the "Advanced tab,

|> Multimedia section", all are checked except the first item (which is

|> the only "don't").

|

| All are checked except: "Don't display online content in the media

| bar", "Enable Automatic Image Resizing" (I didn't like that one as I

| recall), "Enable Image Toolbar", and "Show Image download

| placeholders", all of which shouldn't matter here.

I tend to agree those shouldn't matter. What about...?...

In the Browsing section, I am checked for all, EXCEPT...

(a) Automatically check for IE updates.

(b) Display a notification about every script error.

(d) Enable Install On Demand (Other).

(e) Force offscreen compositing even under Terminal Server (requires

restart).

(f) Show friendly URLs.

(g) Use Passive FTP (for firewall & DSL modem compatibility).

| But like I say, it did load up ok one time, which seems to suggest

| it's not in there, anyways.

Maybe. Have you tried the "normal" fixes, such as emptying TIFs &...

(1) "START, Run, MSInfo32, Tools menu, IE Repair Tool"

It produces a rather large "Fix IE Log.txt" in C:\Windows. IE & E

are basically one & the same. If this crashes, an over-install of IE is

indicated.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=194177

Description of the Internet Explorer Repair Tool

(2) Over-install IE. Try first without, but I believe it will request an

internet connection. Perhaps it is best to let it connect, actually. If

(a) Turn off interfering programs. Use http://www.pcmag.com/ 's

"StartupCop" or "EndItAll2". Or "START, Run, MSConfig, Startup tab".

Note what is unchecked, if anything. Then, go to the General tab &

disable the entire Startup Group, by clicking "Selective.." & unchecking

"Load Startup...". Reboot.

(b) Perhaps, if you haven't got EndItAll2, then "Ctrl-Alt-Del" & end

task all but Explorer & Systray. If this goes badly, start again from

top, & skip it next time.

NOTE: If you are IE5, then it's "IE5Setup.exe". If there are more

than one (I have two each), click the one in "C:\WINDOWS\Windows

Update Setup Files" or "C:\Windows Update Setup Files", as applicable.

(d) Re-enable the Startup Group. That will automatically check all

items. Go to the Startup tab & uncheck any noted in step (a). Reboot.

(e) Perhaps go to Windows Update, to see whether it now offers

criticals.

October 5, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:47064570.ADE92E19@Guy.com...

| Dan wrote:

|

| > MEB, was your previous arguments with the false 98 Guy?

|

| Well MEB?

|

| You want to answer that?

Let's start with some information that a normal review might find [just

using this group as example]:

Re: Download manager [prior to the switch to supposed Aioe.org anonymous

mailer]

Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 19:38:04 GMT

NNTP-Posting-Host: 64.231.58.82

X-Complaints-To: abuse@aliant.net

X-Trace: ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca 1156102684 64.231.58.82 (Sun, 20 Aug 2006

16:38:04 ADT)

NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 16:38:04 ADT

Organization: Sympatico-Subscriber

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2

..ecrc.de!news.maxwell.syr.edu!wn14feed!worldnet.att.net!207.35.177.252!nf3.b

ellglobal.com!ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca!53ab2750!not-for-mail

More stuff about the MSIE VML exploit

[after the switch to Aioe.org, after I posted the information concerning the

Aioe.org server/service in this group due to someone suggesting potential

files be used, posted from the anonymous mailer service]

Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2006 22:16:50 -0400

Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server

Lines: 72

Message-ID: <45188D92.CE893068@Guy.com>

NNTP-Posting-Host: NyCTGZEx/yJG3GxkwWTNiQ.user.aioe.org

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!tornado.fastwebnet.it!itgate.net

!nntp.eutelia.it!news.panservice.it!aioe.org!emma.aioe.org!aioe.org!not-for-

mail

Re: Reg patch for U.S. Daylight Saving Time changes?

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsf

eed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.germany.com!news.mb-net.net!open-news

-network.org!aioe.org!not-for-mail

This post:

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2

..ecrc.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!club-internet.fr!feedme-smal

l.clubint.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

DOS attack tools:

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2

..ecrc.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.org!news2.arglk

argh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Windows 98 Large file count tests ...:

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.

com!newscon02.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!news.glorb.com!aioe.org!not-for-m

ail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Shot in the dark:

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-onl

ine.de!news.karotte.org!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-

mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Don Phillipson - where are you? ...:

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!tornado.fastwebnet.it!tiscali!ne

wsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freen

et.de!news.osn.de!diablo1.news.osn.de!feeder.erje.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: Anger management:

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.

com!image.surnet.ru!newsfeed.rtcomm.ru!newsfeed.sovam.com!news.germany.com!a

ioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Office-VISTA firewall-Adobe Flash-other vulnerabilities -

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!tornado.fastwebnet.it!tiscali!ne

wsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.o

rg!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: Installing Windows 98

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!tornado.fastwebnet.it!tiscali!ne

wsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.karotte.o

rg!news2.arglkargh.de!feeder.erje.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: no keyboard

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed.cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2

..ecrc.de!news.germany.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: Win98 software.

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!tornado.fastwebnet.it!tiscali!ne

wsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-1.proxad.net!

club-internet.fr!feedme-small.clubint.net!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: Pardon 98 Guy?

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS02.phx.gbl!newsfeed.

cw.net!cw.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.de!news.germany.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: Product key

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-onl

ine.de!storethat.news.telefonica.de!telefonica.de!news.germany.com!aioe.org!

not-for-mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

Re: System is acting very strange - What do I do?

Path:

TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTFEEDS01.phx.gbl!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-onl

ine.de!news.karotte.org!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!not-for-

mail

X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U)

I'll answer in this fashion and leave that to your own decision:

From just the above and a search through Google, we could easily follow

these back to the potential posting services/newsgroups that this 98 Guy

entity uses/frequents. We could also produce enquiries to the proper parties

to track this party to their individual identity, and/or garner other

information using various public sources and/or resources and programs.

Should we be associated with an enforcement agency [or an entity such as

Microsoft] perhaps tracking illegal distribution of software, music or

otherwise; from the monitoring of this party's activities via their ISP,

which could be effected in any nation presently under United Nations

agreements and which authorizes international authorities to use whatever

deemed necessary [with minor restrictions]: packet monitoring and sniffing

activities, email monitoring, and other aspects [progs or activities like:

Carnivore(1), DIRT(2), and other], can be used to collect

information/evidence necessary for potential prosecution. Moreover, this

would also provide information concerning that party's usage of activities

such as torrents, potential terrorist activities [a general excuse to

monitor and broadly defined], or other matters.

All member nations of the U.N. have these minimal agreements as part of

their acceptance. Some nations inflict even more restrictive activities

within. AND the suspect can NOT be informed of such activities by the ISP

under International enforcement Laws duing such monitoring [check the Laws

erected].

In addition, many nations have agreements among themselves regarding

software, music, and other aspects which also come under consideration.

------

If you personally wish to negate further abilities to *supposedly* use this

98 Guy entity in *false ID* then you could post, on your own, exactly who

you are and other information, and stop using the Aioe service.

However, as a registered Peoples' Counsel, I would not presently counsel in

that direction, as you apparently have engaged in illegal activity and

openly admitted such here and elsewhere [in other forums and newsgroups]. Of

course, along those same lines, if that party was supposedly not you, then

you posting your information voluntarily could supply reasonable doubt,

though there may be evidence to the contrary. As I have previously posted,

the Internet IS a network with starting and ending addresses contained

within EVERY packet. Any use leaves those traces.

Should it be deemed necessary or become necessary, I would further counsel

using a good attorney [as may be named in other nations] versed in these

types of defenses [good luck with that].

|

| > I did contact Microsoft and they said they would contact

| > the proper authorities and it looks like they did because

| > the Ethernet BAD Posts are fortunately and thanfully removed.

|

| I had a brief look at the MS technet interface to this newsgroup.

|

| Horrible. Absolutely horrible.

|

| I can't believe how many of you people use that as a way to read and

| post to this or any other MS newsgroup.

I would agree, direct posting via forum interfaces is generally a bad idea

anyway, though sometimes that is the only way; or at times, when one doesn't

want to *join* a news service merely to post in that newsgroup/forum once or

twice as many require an actual traceable [directly to you] email address to

join/post [to protect themselves from potential legal issues] via email...

Then again, those who have *nothing to hide* generally have no need to use

anonymous re-mailers, filtering provides most of what they need; OTOH, there

are those who lend their actual identity to the post to perhaps provide the

background necessary or to ensure that identity is not used by others ...

REFERENCED:

(1) http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/ref/carnivore.htm

(2) http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com/dirt.htm

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 6, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

MEB wrote:

> | > MEB, was your previous arguments with the false 98 Guy?

> |

> | Well MEB?

> |

> | You want to answer that?

>

> I'll answer in this fashion and leave that to your own

> decision:

Ah MEB. I should know more than to ask a simple question.

> From just the above and a search through Google, we could easily

> follow these back to the potential posting services/newsgroups

> that this 98 Guy entity uses/frequents.

Yes. So?

> We could also produce enquiries to the proper parties to track

> this party to their individual identity,

Um, no you couldn't. You have no ability or right or legal recourse

to force AIOE to divulge my posting IP and then to force my ISP to

divulge my billing identity.

You nor any other reader of my usenet posts have no evidence or

material which you can show to any "authority" that would motivate

them to the degree necessary to seek court orders to obtain the

information.

> Should we be associated with an enforcement agency [or an

> entity such as Microsoft] perhaps tracking illegal distribution

> of software, music or otherwise; from the monitoring of this

> party's activities via their ISP,

Should you be such an agency, you would not be reading hearsay on

usenet, but would be monitoring torrents and collecting direct

evidence.

> Carnivore(1), DIRT(2), and other], can be used to collect ...

> that party's usage of activities such as torrents, potential

> terrorist activities [a general excuse to monitor and broadly

> defined], ...

MEB - I saw you at the Al Qaeda mixer last night. I didn't want to

interrupt the conversation you were having with Adam Yahiye Gadahn and

Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser. And wasn't Ayman Al-Zawahiri

looking good! It must be all the outdoor living he does.

> you could post, on your own, exactly who you are

That would be telling.

I'm a free man.

> As I have previously posted, the Internet IS a network with

> starting and ending addresses contained within EVERY packet.

> Any use leaves those traces.

Have you ever heard of TOR?

> Should it be deemed necessary or become necessary, I would

> further counsel using a good attorney

I have Lionel Hutz on retainer.

October 6, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

"98 Guy" <98@Guy.com> wrote in message news:4706DBD9.928E1277@Guy.com...

| MEB wrote:

|

| > | > MEB, was your previous arguments with the false 98 Guy?

| > |

| > | Well MEB?

| > |

| > | You want to answer that?

| >

| > I'll answer in this fashion and leave that to your own

| > decision:

|

| Ah MEB. I should know more than to ask a simple question.

|

| > From just the above and a search through Google, we could easily

| > follow these back to the potential posting services/newsgroups

| > that this 98 Guy entity uses/frequents.

|

| Yes. So?

|

| > We could also produce enquiries to the proper parties to track

| > this party to their individual identity,

|

| Um, no you couldn't. You have no ability or right or legal recourse

| to force AIOE to divulge my posting IP and then to force my ISP to

| divulge my billing identity.

|

| You nor any other reader of my usenet posts have no evidence or

| material which you can show to any "authority" that would motivate

| them to the degree necessary to seek court orders to obtain the

| information.

Well those aren't the only tracks or ways to access information, but what

do I care... we've already had technical, and legal discussions, ignore the

world and what has occurred, that is your um, right ...

|

| > Should we be associated with an enforcement agency [or an

| > entity such as Microsoft] perhaps tracking illegal distribution

| > of software, music or otherwise; from the monitoring of this

| > party's activities via their ISP,

|

| Should you be such an agency, you would not be reading hearsay on

| usenet, but would be monitoring torrents and collecting direct

| evidence.

Hey you're the one who answered Dan, not me ....

|

| > Carnivore(1), DIRT(2), and other], can be used to collect ...

| > that party's usage of activities such as torrents, potential

| > terrorist activities [a general excuse to monitor and broadly

| > defined], ...

|

| MEB - I saw you at the Al Qaeda mixer last night. I didn't want to

| interrupt the conversation you were having with Adam Yahiye Gadahn and

| Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser. And wasn't Ayman Al-Zawahiri

| looking good! It must be all the outdoor living he does.

Aw, you said you wouldn't tell. darn... guess I'll have to inform them of

the breach, likely they won't appreciate one of their group even mentioning

such activities ..

|

| > you could post, on your own, exactly who you are

|

| That would be telling.

|

| I'm a free man.

RRRRREEAAALLy. Funny, so on what planet are you living?

|

| > As I have previously posted, the Internet IS a network with

| > starting and ending addresses contained within EVERY packet.

| > Any use leaves those traces.

|

| Have you ever heard of TOR?

I have an idea, why don't you tell me, er, the group, er, the world ...

|

| > Should it be deemed necessary or become necessary, I would

| > further counsel using a good attorney

|

| I have Lionel Hutz on retainer.

Cute. So what's your issue? If you noted, which apparently you didn't, I

posted the newest versions of files you purported as installable. Those

files were updated due to flaws and vulnerabilities... thought I'd try to

help you avoid making a fool of yourself,, but I see that was wasted effort

on my part .. you seem determined to do so.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 6, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

Hmm, Windows 2000 is one of the few Microsoft operating systems that I have

only briefly used. Does it have any benefits that 98 Second Edition, ME, XP

Professional, XP Home, and Vista Home Premium lack?

October 15, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

> I have Lionel Hutz on retainer.

How much of a lunatic are you?

Even Homer Simpson should know more about computers better then you.

Go back to thinking of useless nonsense to bore us with.

October 15, 2007

Re: IE Crashes on this medical website?

> I have Lionel Hutz on retainer.

How much of a lunatic are you?

Even Homer Simpson should know more about computers better then you.

Go back to thinking of useless nonsense to bore us with.

--

"98 Guy" wrote:

> MEB wrote:

>

> > | > MEB, was your previous arguments with the false 98 Guy?

> > |

> > | Well MEB?

> > |

> > | You want to answer that?

> >

> > I'll answer in this fashion and leave that to your own

> > decision:

>

> Ah MEB. I should know more than to ask a simple question.

>

> > From just the above and a search through Google, we could easily

> > follow these back to the potential posting services/newsgroups

> > that this 98 Guy entity uses/frequents.

>

> Yes. So?

>

> > We could also produce enquiries to the proper parties to track

> > this party to their individual identity,

>

> Um, no you couldn't. You have no ability or right or legal recourse

> to force AIOE to divulge my posting IP and then to force my ISP to

> divulge my billing identity.

>

> You nor any other reader of my usenet posts have no evidence or

> material which you can show to any "authority" that would motivate

> them to the degree necessary to seek court orders to obtain the

> information.

>

> > Should we be associated with an enforcement agency [or an

> > entity such as Microsoft] perhaps tracking illegal distribution

> > of software, music or otherwise; from the monitoring of this

> > party's activities via their ISP,

>

> Should you be such an agency, you would not be reading hearsay on

> usenet, but would be monitoring torrents and collecting direct

> evidence.

>

> > Carnivore(1), DIRT(2), and other], can be used to collect ...

> > that party's usage of activities such as torrents, potential

> > terrorist activities [a general excuse to monitor and broadly

> > defined], ...

>

> MEB - I saw you at the Al Qaeda mixer last night. I didn't want to

> interrupt the conversation you were having with Adam Yahiye Gadahn and

> Abdelkarim Hussein Mohamed Al-Nasser. And wasn't Ayman Al-Zawahiri

> looking good! It must be all the outdoor living he does.

>

> > you could post, on your own, exactly who you are

>

> That would be telling.

>

> I'm a free man.

>

> > As I have previously posted, the Internet IS a network with

> > starting and ending addresses contained within EVERY packet.

> > Any use leaves those traces.

>

> Have you ever heard of TOR?

>

> > Should it be deemed necessary or become necessary, I would

> > further counsel using a good attorney

>

> I have Lionel Hutz on retainer.

>

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