Guest ColTom2 Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Hi: Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce DVR-MS files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow DVD burning? Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not that familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in this matter. Thanks, ColTom2
Guest Nigel Barker Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files On Tue, 2 Oct 2007 08:46:39 -0400, "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: >Hi: > > Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce DVR-MS >files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow DVD >burning? > > Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, >i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not that >familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in >this matter. > >Thanks, > >ColTom2 > Crunchie does a good job of automatically converting DVR-MS files to DivX which is a form of MPEG4 & just about the most commonly used compressed video file format. http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/crunchie/ Many standalone DVD players support playback of DivX files. -- Cheers Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur MCE MVP
Guest peter Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files http://www.deskshare.com/Resources/articles/dmc_DVRMS.aspx peter "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Hi: > > Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce > DVR-MS files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to > allow DVD burning? > > Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, > i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not > that familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me > in this matter. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 >
Guest Jaime Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Others have already mentioned the conversion possiblilties, but understand that you don't need to convert them to create a DVD that will run in a standalone DVD player. You may want to convert for other reasons however (size/editing/software perference/etc.), but MCE will directly burn the files to a DVD for playback. -- James Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message news:emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > Hi: > > Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce > DVR-MS files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to > allow DVD burning? > > Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, > i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not > that familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me > in this matter. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 >
Guest ColTom2 Posted October 2, 2007 Posted October 2, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files The dvr-ms files that I have are to large for a DVD CD. "Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OhQ3VtQBIHA.4160@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Others have already mentioned the conversion possiblilties, but understand > that you don't need to convert them to create a DVD that will run in a > standalone DVD player. You may want to convert for other reasons however > (size/editing/software perference/etc.), but MCE will directly burn the > files to a DVD for playback. > -- > James > Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida > > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message > news:emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> Hi: >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >> DVR-MS files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to >> allow DVD burning? >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >> that familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist >> me in this matter. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ColTom2 >> >
Guest John Lockwood Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > Hi: > > Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce DVR-MS > files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow DVD > burning? > > Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, > i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not that > familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in > this matter. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an ASF wrapper. You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or MPEG4, but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two generations of loss of quality). e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu and possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it to a 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but puts it in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes no loss of quality. There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also DVRMSToolbox which can also do editing see http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx
Guest John Lockwood Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Even a dual layer 8.5GB disk? If so you are still better off keeping the file in MPEG2 format (as per my previous reply) but you can then use various utilities to reduce the quality (and hence file size), e.g. Instead of 4000kbps you could reduce to 3000kbps. Some DVD burning software will do this automatically for you (e.g. Roxio). On 2/10/07 19:01, in article uj6L34RBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl, "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > The dvr-ms files that I have are to large for a DVD CD. > > > "Jaime" <jaimelobo@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:OhQ3VtQBIHA.4160@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> Others have already mentioned the conversion possiblilties, but understand >> that you don't need to convert them to create a DVD that will run in a >> standalone DVD player. You may want to convert for other reasons however >> (size/editing/software perference/etc.), but MCE will directly burn the >> files to a DVD for playback. >> -- >> James >> Orlando (Goofy says "Hey"), Florida >> >> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote in message >> news:emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>> Hi: >>> >>> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >>> DVR-MS files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to >>> allow DVD burning? >>> >>> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, >>> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >>> that familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist >>> me in this matter. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> ColTom2 >>> >> > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Hi John: Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the recent PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file was to large. What are your alternatives when this happens? Thanks. ColTom2 "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >> DVR-MS >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow >> DVD >> burning? >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >> that >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in >> this matter. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ColTom2 >> >> > > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an ASF > wrapper. > > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or > MPEG4, > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two > generations of loss of quality). > > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 > > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. > > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu and > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it to > a > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but puts > it > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes no > loss of quality. > > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also DVRMSToolbox > which can also do editing see > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx >
Guest mcp6453 Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files You will either have to split the file to fit on two disks, or you will have to re-encode the file to a lower bit rate. A great tool for editing the files (and other MPG files) is VideoReDo at http://www.videoredo.com. It's not free, but it's cheap. There is a free trial. Their next version will have the ability to burn DVDs, I'm told. ColTom2 wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to > convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the recent > PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file was > to large. > > What are your alternatives when this happens? > > Thanks. > > ColTom2 > > > "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message > news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... >> On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >>> DVR-MS >>> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow >>> DVD >>> burning? >>> >>> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, >>> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >>> that >>> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in >>> this matter. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> ColTom2 >>> >>> >> DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an ASF >> wrapper. >> >> You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or >> MPEG4, >> but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless >> (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two >> generations of loss of quality). >> >> e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 >> >> If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this >> directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. >> >> If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu and >> possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it to >> a >> 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but puts >> it >> in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes no >> loss of quality. >> >> There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use >> TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also DVRMSToolbox >> which can also do editing see >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx >> > >
Guest Shenan Stanley Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files ColTom2 wrote: > Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also > reduce DVR-MS files of recorded TV programs to a different file > format (ext) to allow DVD burning? > > Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be > converted to, i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file > types and I am not that familiar with what I am trying to do that I > need someone to assist me in this matter. http://www.videohelp.com/ -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Guest Eric Baines Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, after editing out the start, end and adverts. You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in the process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my experience of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't recommend leaping in too early!) "ColTom2" wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to > convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the recent > PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file was > to large. > > What are your alternatives when this happens? > > Thanks. > > ColTom2 > > > "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message > news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... > > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi: > >> > >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce > >> DVR-MS > >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow > >> DVD > >> burning? > >> > >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, > >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not > >> that > >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in > >> this matter. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> ColTom2 > >> > >> > > > > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an ASF > > wrapper. > > > > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or > > MPEG4, > > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless > > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two > > generations of loss of quality). > > > > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 > > > > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this > > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. > > > > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu and > > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it to > > a > > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but puts > > it > > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes no > > loss of quality. > > > > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use > > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also DVRMSToolbox > > which can also do editing see > > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx > > > > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Hi Eric: I have Nero 6, but had never installed the Nero Recode 2 component. Is this the same Recode Application that you are using in Nero 7 and/or do you think this would do what I need? Thanks "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2A663E31-77D0-42BB-84FE-F211A697A793@microsoft.com... >I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, >after > editing out the start, end and adverts. > > You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in the > process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 > > Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my > experience > of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't recommend > leaping in too early!) > > "ColTom2" wrote: > >> Hi John: >> >> Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to >> convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the >> recent >> PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file >> was >> to large. >> >> What are your alternatives when this happens? >> >> Thanks. >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... >> > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >> > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi: >> >> >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >> >> DVR-MS >> >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to >> >> allow >> >> DVD >> >> burning? >> >> >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted >> >> to, >> >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >> >> that >> >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me >> >> in >> >> this matter. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an >> > ASF >> > wrapper. >> > >> > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or >> > MPEG4, >> > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless >> > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two >> > generations of loss of quality). >> > >> > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 >> > >> > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this >> > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. >> > >> > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu >> > and >> > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it >> > to >> > a >> > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but >> > puts >> > it >> > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes >> > no >> > loss of quality. >> > >> > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use >> > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also >> > DVRMSToolbox >> > which can also do editing see >> > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx >> > >> >> >>
Guest ColTom2 Posted October 3, 2007 Posted October 3, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Hi Eric: I have obtained and installed a Nero 7 Ultra and would like to ask you what specific component do you use for editing and also converting the dvr-ms to standard DVD. Thanks, ColTom2 "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:2A663E31-77D0-42BB-84FE-F211A697A793@microsoft.com... >I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, >after > editing out the start, end and adverts. > > You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in the > process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 > > Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my > experience > of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't recommend > leaping in too early!) > > "ColTom2" wrote: > >> Hi John: >> >> Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to >> convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the >> recent >> PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file >> was >> to large. >> >> What are your alternatives when this happens? >> >> Thanks. >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... >> > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >> > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi: >> >> >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >> >> DVR-MS >> >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to >> >> allow >> >> DVD >> >> burning? >> >> >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted >> >> to, >> >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >> >> that >> >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me >> >> in >> >> this matter. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> >> >> > >> > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an >> > ASF >> > wrapper. >> > >> > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or >> > MPEG4, >> > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless >> > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two >> > generations of loss of quality). >> > >> > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 >> > >> > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this >> > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. >> > >> > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu >> > and >> > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it >> > to >> > a >> > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but >> > puts >> > it >> > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes >> > no >> > loss of quality. >> > >> > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use >> > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also >> > DVRMSToolbox >> > which can also do editing see >> > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx >> > >> >> >>
Guest John Lockwood Posted October 4, 2007 Posted October 4, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Ah! Now that you mention it, I remember last time I tried to directly burn a DVR-MS recording to DVD it also gave me the same message, even though the DVR-MS file was only about 2.5GB and would easily fit on a DVD. A much smaller recording did work. It would seem another example of Microsoft not being very good at maths, see http://www.newsfactor.com/story.xhtml?story_id=55613 Note: my recordings are from DVB-T which broadcasts in MPEG2 and I use a digital DVB-T tuner, the behaviour if you use an analogue tuner to 'digitise' and convert analogue to MPEG2 might be different. Other than being in Microsoft's proprietary DVR-MS wrapper, these DVB-T recordings are normal MPEG2 and can be converted to DVD without re-encoding, they have an MPEG1 Layer2 stereo audio track (aka. MP2). It looks like the DVD burn option in Media Center is to put it mildly 'not very good'. I ended up as I mentioned, converting the DVR-MS to a 'normal' MPEG2 and using a different DVD burning application and created my own menu (the menu produced by SonicEncoders - the DVD burning engine for Media Center, is ugly as sin anyway). Sigh! Another example of Microsoft spending 90% of their time and effort on ever more offensive DRM, and not enough on producing a decent product in the first place. On 3/10/07 15:36, in article e8WBNrcBIHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl, "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > Hi John: > > Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to > convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the recent > PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file was > to large. > > What are your alternatives when this happens? > > Thanks. > > ColTom2 > > > "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message > news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... >> On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >> "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce >>> DVR-MS >>> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to allow >>> DVD >>> burning? >>> >>> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted to, >>> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not >>> that >>> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me in >>> this matter. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> ColTom2 >>> >>> >> >> DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an ASF >> wrapper. >> >> You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or >> MPEG4, >> but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless >> (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two >> generations of loss of quality). >> >> e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 >> >> If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this >> directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. >> >> If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu and >> possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it to >> a >> 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but puts >> it >> in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes no >> loss of quality. >> >> There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use >> TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also DVRMSToolbox >> which can also do editing see >> http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx >> > >
Guest Eric Baines Posted October 4, 2007 Posted October 4, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files In Nero 7, it is Nero Vision. Fire it up, say you want to create a DVD. Add the DVR-MS file and then use the edit function to cut bits out (I add a fade transition between cuts so it isn't so obvious). Create chapters, either at the cuts or about every 10 minutes (I do both). Then go to 'next' to add a menu. I take a screen shot of the MCE metadata page and cover the MCE buttons with the DVD artwork, taken from Amazon or somehwere in the internet. Slam a disk in your DVD writer and off it goes. If you start with a 2 hour film, it'l be down to about 1 hour 35-40 mins after you have cut the rubbish out and will probably take about an hour to transcode and burn. If your film is longer, it takes longer - it can go to about 4 hours on 1 DVD at low quality. I got Spartacus on one DVD, but used 2 for Cleopatra. I find it gives a great result. "ColTom2" wrote: > Hi Eric: > > I have obtained and installed a Nero 7 Ultra and would like to ask you > what specific component do you use for editing and also converting the > dvr-ms to standard DVD. > > Thanks, > > ColTom2 > > > "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:2A663E31-77D0-42BB-84FE-F211A697A793@microsoft.com... > >I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, > >after > > editing out the start, end and adverts. > > > > You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in the > > process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - > > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 > > > > Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - > > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my > > experience > > of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't recommend > > leaping in too early!) > > > > "ColTom2" wrote: > > > >> Hi John: > >> > >> Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted to > >> convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the > >> recent > >> PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file > >> was > >> to large. > >> > >> What are your alternatives when this happens? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> ColTom2 > >> > >> > >> "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message > >> news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... > >> > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > >> > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi: > >> >> > >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also reduce > >> >> DVR-MS > >> >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to > >> >> allow > >> >> DVD > >> >> burning? > >> >> > >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be converted > >> >> to, > >> >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am not > >> >> that > >> >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist me > >> >> in > >> >> this matter. > >> >> > >> >> Thanks, > >> >> > >> >> ColTom2 > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside an > >> > ASF > >> > wrapper. > >> > > >> > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX or > >> > MPEG4, > >> > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit pointless > >> > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore two > >> > generations of loss of quality). > >> > > >> > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 > >> > > >> > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do this > >> > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. > >> > > >> > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD menu > >> > and > >> > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting it > >> > to > >> > a > >> > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but > >> > puts > >> > it > >> > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus causes > >> > no > >> > loss of quality. > >> > > >> > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use > >> > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also > >> > DVRMSToolbox > >> > which can also do editing see > >> > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > >
Guest ColTom2 Posted October 4, 2007 Posted October 4, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Thanks! I used Nero Vision to burn a DVD, but had no idea about the editing part. Looks like you have me on the right road finally..... I really appreciate yours and all the other postings, as I have never really gotten into this arena. Recording the recent PBS series "The War" is what led me to all this. I have had MCE since day one, but mainly used it to watch TV when nothing else much was going on. I was about ready to give up right before you brought me out of the hole! ColTom2 "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:E8BF3D1D-DC79-4C10-ABF0-061B661C3B12@microsoft.com... > In Nero 7, it is Nero Vision. > > Fire it up, say you want to create a DVD. Add the DVR-MS file and then use > the edit function to cut bits out (I add a fade transition between cuts so > it > isn't so obvious). Create chapters, either at the cuts or about every 10 > minutes (I do both). Then go to 'next' to add a menu. I take a screen shot > of > the MCE metadata page and cover the MCE buttons with the DVD artwork, > taken > from Amazon or somehwere in the internet. Slam a disk in your DVD writer > and > off it goes. > > If you start with a 2 hour film, it'l be down to about 1 hour 35-40 mins > after you have cut the rubbish out and will probably take about an hour to > transcode and burn. If your film is longer, it takes longer - it can go to > about 4 hours on 1 DVD at low quality. I got Spartacus on one DVD, but > used 2 > for Cleopatra. > > I find it gives a great result. > > "ColTom2" wrote: > >> Hi Eric: >> >> I have obtained and installed a Nero 7 Ultra and would like to ask you >> what specific component do you use for editing and also converting the >> dvr-ms to standard DVD. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:2A663E31-77D0-42BB-84FE-F211A697A793@microsoft.com... >> >I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, >> >after >> > editing out the start, end and adverts. >> > >> > You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in >> > the >> > process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - >> > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 >> > >> > Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - >> > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my >> > experience >> > of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't >> > recommend >> > leaping in too early!) >> > >> > "ColTom2" wrote: >> > >> >> Hi John: >> >> >> >> Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted >> >> to >> >> convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the >> >> recent >> >> PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file >> >> was >> >> to large. >> >> >> >> What are your alternatives when this happens? >> >> >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> >> >> >> "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message >> >> news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... >> >> > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, >> >> > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Hi: >> >> >> >> >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also >> >> >> reduce >> >> >> DVR-MS >> >> >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to >> >> >> allow >> >> >> DVD >> >> >> burning? >> >> >> >> >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be >> >> >> converted >> >> >> to, >> >> >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am >> >> >> not >> >> >> that >> >> >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist >> >> >> me >> >> >> in >> >> >> this matter. >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> >> >> ColTom2 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside >> >> > an >> >> > ASF >> >> > wrapper. >> >> > >> >> > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX >> >> > or >> >> > MPEG4, >> >> > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit >> >> > pointless >> >> > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore >> >> > two >> >> > generations of loss of quality). >> >> > >> >> > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 >> >> > >> >> > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do >> >> > this >> >> > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. >> >> > >> >> > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD >> >> > menu >> >> > and >> >> > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting >> >> > it >> >> > to >> >> > a >> >> > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but >> >> > puts >> >> > it >> >> > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus >> >> > causes >> >> > no >> >> > loss of quality. >> >> > >> >> > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use >> >> > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also >> >> > DVRMSToolbox >> >> > which can also do editing see >> >> > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
Guest Eric Baines Posted October 4, 2007 Posted October 4, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Pleased it helped. :-) There are lots of threads and people out there talking about loads of other tools. In particular, people seem to like Videoredo. But I got OEM Nero 6 with my PC and after a short haitus when an early version of Nero 7 broke my PC when it was first released, it has done hundreds of DVDs for me. So much so that it feels really odd whenever I find myself watching adverts! Hope you find it useful too. "ColTom2" wrote: > Thanks! > > I used Nero Vision to burn a DVD, but had no idea about the editing part. > Looks like you have me on the right road finally..... I really appreciate > yours and all the other postings, as I have never really gotten into this > arena. Recording the recent PBS series "The War" is what led me to all this. > > I have had MCE since day one, but mainly used it to watch TV when nothing > else much was going on. I was about ready to give up right before you > brought me out of the hole! > > ColTom2 > > > "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > news:E8BF3D1D-DC79-4C10-ABF0-061B661C3B12@microsoft.com... > > In Nero 7, it is Nero Vision. > > > > Fire it up, say you want to create a DVD. Add the DVR-MS file and then use > > the edit function to cut bits out (I add a fade transition between cuts so > > it > > isn't so obvious). Create chapters, either at the cuts or about every 10 > > minutes (I do both). Then go to 'next' to add a menu. I take a screen shot > > of > > the MCE metadata page and cover the MCE buttons with the DVD artwork, > > taken > > from Amazon or somehwere in the internet. Slam a disk in your DVD writer > > and > > off it goes. > > > > If you start with a 2 hour film, it'l be down to about 1 hour 35-40 mins > > after you have cut the rubbish out and will probably take about an hour to > > transcode and burn. If your film is longer, it takes longer - it can go to > > about 4 hours on 1 DVD at low quality. I got Spartacus on one DVD, but > > used 2 > > for Cleopatra. > > > > I find it gives a great result. > > > > "ColTom2" wrote: > > > >> Hi Eric: > >> > >> I have obtained and installed a Nero 7 Ultra and would like to ask you > >> what specific component do you use for editing and also converting the > >> dvr-ms to standard DVD. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> ColTom2 > >> > >> > >> "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:2A663E31-77D0-42BB-84FE-F211A697A793@microsoft.com... > >> >I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, > >> >after > >> > editing out the start, end and adverts. > >> > > >> > You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in > >> > the > >> > process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - > >> > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 > >> > > >> > Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - > >> > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my > >> > experience > >> > of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't > >> > recommend > >> > leaping in too early!) > >> > > >> > "ColTom2" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi John: > >> >> > >> >> Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted > >> >> to > >> >> convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the > >> >> recent > >> >> PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file > >> >> was > >> >> to large. > >> >> > >> >> What are your alternatives when this happens? > >> >> > >> >> Thanks. > >> >> > >> >> ColTom2 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message > >> >> news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... > >> >> > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > >> >> > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Hi: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also > >> >> >> reduce > >> >> >> DVR-MS > >> >> >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to > >> >> >> allow > >> >> >> DVD > >> >> >> burning? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be > >> >> >> converted > >> >> >> to, > >> >> >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist > >> >> >> me > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> this matter. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> ColTom2 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside > >> >> > an > >> >> > ASF > >> >> > wrapper. > >> >> > > >> >> > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX > >> >> > or > >> >> > MPEG4, > >> >> > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit > >> >> > pointless > >> >> > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore > >> >> > two > >> >> > generations of loss of quality). > >> >> > > >> >> > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 > >> >> > > >> >> > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do > >> >> > this > >> >> > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. > >> >> > > >> >> > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD > >> >> > menu > >> >> > and > >> >> > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting > >> >> > it > >> >> > to > >> >> > a > >> >> > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but > >> >> > puts > >> >> > it > >> >> > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus > >> >> > causes > >> >> > no > >> >> > loss of quality. > >> >> > > >> >> > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use > >> >> > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also > >> >> > DVRMSToolbox > >> >> > which can also do editing see > >> >> > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >
Guest Eric Baines Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Convert DVR-MS Files Sorry - one thing I forgot to mention. Nero 7 also comes with Media Center plugins for taking recorded TV and making DVDs from within the MCE interface. You will see them under the More Programs part of the interface, and there are guides on the Nero website. I have never used them myself, because I'm happy wit the result I get outside the MCE interface. I don't think the plugins give as much functionality or flexibility - for example, I don't think you can top, tail or remove ads. Nevertheless, you might find them useful. "Eric Baines" wrote: > Pleased it helped. :-) > > There are lots of threads and people out there talking about loads of other > tools. In particular, people seem to like Videoredo. > > But I got OEM Nero 6 with my PC and after a short haitus when an early > version of Nero 7 broke my PC when it was first released, it has done > hundreds of DVDs for me. So much so that it feels really odd whenever I find > myself watching adverts! > > Hope you find it useful too. > > "ColTom2" wrote: > > > Thanks! > > > > I used Nero Vision to burn a DVD, but had no idea about the editing part. > > Looks like you have me on the right road finally..... I really appreciate > > yours and all the other postings, as I have never really gotten into this > > arena. Recording the recent PBS series "The War" is what led me to all this. > > > > I have had MCE since day one, but mainly used it to watch TV when nothing > > else much was going on. I was about ready to give up right before you > > brought me out of the hole! > > > > ColTom2 > > > > > > "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > news:E8BF3D1D-DC79-4C10-ABF0-061B661C3B12@microsoft.com... > > > In Nero 7, it is Nero Vision. > > > > > > Fire it up, say you want to create a DVD. Add the DVR-MS file and then use > > > the edit function to cut bits out (I add a fade transition between cuts so > > > it > > > isn't so obvious). Create chapters, either at the cuts or about every 10 > > > minutes (I do both). Then go to 'next' to add a menu. I take a screen shot > > > of > > > the MCE metadata page and cover the MCE buttons with the DVD artwork, > > > taken > > > from Amazon or somehwere in the internet. Slam a disk in your DVD writer > > > and > > > off it goes. > > > > > > If you start with a 2 hour film, it'l be down to about 1 hour 35-40 mins > > > after you have cut the rubbish out and will probably take about an hour to > > > transcode and burn. If your film is longer, it takes longer - it can go to > > > about 4 hours on 1 DVD at low quality. I got Spartacus on one DVD, but > > > used 2 > > > for Cleopatra. > > > > > > I find it gives a great result. > > > > > > "ColTom2" wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Eric: > > >> > > >> I have obtained and installed a Nero 7 Ultra and would like to ask you > > >> what specific component do you use for editing and also converting the > > >> dvr-ms to standard DVD. > > >> > > >> Thanks, > > >> > > >> ColTom2 > > >> > > >> > > >> "Eric Baines" <EricBaines@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > > >> news:2A663E31-77D0-42BB-84FE-F211A697A793@microsoft.com... > > >> >I use Nero 7 to take dvr-ms files and author a standard DVD from them, > > >> >after > > >> > editing out the start, end and adverts. > > >> > > > >> > You can download a free trial from their website and since they are in > > >> > the > > >> > process of launching Nero8, there are some offers on Nero 7 around - > > >> > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/739711 > > >> > > > >> > Mind, even Nero 8 seems to be discounted - > > >> > http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/617394 (although my > > >> > experience > > >> > of Nero 7 was it took a few months to be stable, so I couldn't > > >> > recommend > > >> > leaping in too early!) > > >> > > > >> > "ColTom2" wrote: > > >> > > > >> >> Hi John: > > >> >> > > >> >> Thanks for your informative replies. The only reason that I wanted > > >> >> to > > >> >> convert dvr-ms to smaller files is that I tried to burn a copy of the > > >> >> recent > > >> >> PBS series "The War" with MCE onto a DVD directly and it said the file > > >> >> was > > >> >> to large. > > >> >> > > >> >> What are your alternatives when this happens? > > >> >> > > >> >> Thanks. > > >> >> > > >> >> ColTom2 > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> "John Lockwood" <john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk> wrote in message > > >> >> news:C329308E.26E6F%john.lockwood@amtec.co.uk... > > >> >> > On 2/10/07 13:46, in article emRnNJPBIHA.1212@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl, > > >> >> > "ColTom2" <noemailaddress@nomail.com> wrote: > > >> >> > > > >> >> >> Hi: > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Does anyone know a good freeware that I can convert and also > > >> >> >> reduce > > >> >> >> DVR-MS > > >> >> >> files of recorded TV programs to a different file format (ext) to > > >> >> >> allow > > >> >> >> DVD > > >> >> >> burning? > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Also I would like to know the recommended file type to be > > >> >> >> converted > > >> >> >> to, > > >> >> >> i.e. MP4, AVI, etc.There are so many different file types and I am > > >> >> >> not > > >> >> >> that > > >> >> >> familiar with what I am trying to do that I need someone to assist > > >> >> >> me > > >> >> >> in > > >> >> >> this matter. > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> Thanks, > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> ColTom2 > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > >> >> > DVDs are MPEG2 only, DVR-MS files are in reality MPEG2 files inside > > >> >> > an > > >> >> > ASF > > >> >> > wrapper. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > You can convert DVR-MS files to other smaller formats such as DivX > > >> >> > or > > >> >> > MPEG4, > > >> >> > but if you are then going to burn it to a DVD this is a bit > > >> >> > pointless > > >> >> > (besides it would cause two generations of conversion and therefore > > >> >> > two > > >> >> > generations of loss of quality). > > >> >> > > > >> >> > e.g. DVR-MS = MPEG2 --> convert to DivX --> Convert to DVD = MPEG2 > > >> >> > > > >> >> > If you goal is to simply burn the DVR-MS to DVD then you could do > > >> >> > this > > >> >> > directly without any conversion within Media Center itself. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > If your goal is to burn it to DVD but with a better choice of DVD > > >> >> > menu > > >> >> > and > > >> >> > possibly to edit/trim the recording then I would suggest converting > > >> >> > it > > >> >> > to > > >> >> > a > > >> >> > 'proper' MPEG2 file (which basically leaves the MPEG2 untouched but > > >> >> > puts > > >> >> > it > > >> >> > in a normal MPEG2 file format instead of a DVR-MS file and thus > > >> >> > causes > > >> >> > no > > >> >> > loss of quality. > > >> >> > > > >> >> > There are numerous utilities to convert from DVR-MS to MPEG2, I use > > >> >> > TSConvertor available here http://dvbportal.de there is also > > >> >> > DVRMSToolbox > > >> >> > which can also do editing see > > >> >> > http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/53128.aspx > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >
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