GOOD NEWS! Memory Leak Work Around -> Hibernate

[Guest Bob]

A couple days ago, while running the System Monitor, I tried Start ->

Shutdown -> Hibernate again. Good news! It appears to have a very

positive affect in cleaning up memory leaks.

 

We've been using winME at our home ever since it came out in 2000 or

whenever. I have been constantly amazed at the bad press it receives

because it has worked so well for us. At first I really liked its

Movie Maker (had some help from MS before it was dependable with our

old Sony VX1000). Also the Sony Blue Ray worked altho Sony told us it

wouldn't.

Since Internet Explorer 6.0, it definitely got worse. I put IE6.0 on

twice. The first time up the system was such a pain that I figured out

how to get it off and went back to IE5.5 after a week. I think it was

a couple years and possibly more before we were somewhat coerced into

trying IE6 again. Probably because the Intuit tax software demanded

it. The system tolerated IE6 much better this time but still not as

well as IE5 or 5.5.

 

Anyway, this summer, July I think, I became curious about the non-

default abilities of the System Monitor, turned it on and went thru

them again. This time it seemed to be a good predictor of when

system performance was beginning to slide. So we now have it on

autostart and keep it up 24/7 (drag most of it off the right side of

the screen).

 

I've been watching two graphs: the Memory Manager: Unused physical

memory and the Kernel Processor Usage. That has been an eyeopening

experience. Almost immediately, I could see what appear to be major

memory leaks - something worth complaining about. But a little

Googling quickly found this has been widely reported for a long time.

So I didn't waste anybody's time.

 

The Kernel Processor Usage also looks bizarre. But that might only be

due to my not understanding what this graph is supposed to show. I

have long used performance meters, most recently I've used the basic

NT4 performance meters. With that experience, this ME graph seems to

reflect the system cpu utilization. It has the word "kernel" in the

title so perhaps there is a "non-kernel" component to cpu

utilization. Even so, what it appears to show is not good. After an

hour or so, the cpu resources are about 75% consumed even when

"resting" - the user doing nothing. The main work would have to be

Virus checking and network monitoring (monitoring a Cox Cable Modem

and maybe Bluetooth?).

 

As for Hibernate - I think it worked for us initially. But it (or

Standby?) normally comes on automatically - the screen saver comes on

first cycling thru My Pictures for about 10 minutes then the computer

goes to sleep (Black screen) so I seldom go thru the Start Button to

turn on Hibernate (Start->Shutdown->Hibernate). Nowdays, it doesn't

really work. The system hibernates for about 10 seconds then wakes up!

 

But System Monitor does show whatever the current memory leaks are, it

fixes them in 10 seconds.

 

Check it out.

[Guest Bob]

Re: GOOD NEWS! Memory Leak Work Around -> Hibernate

 

On Oct 2, 9:23 am, Bob <SierraBrot...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

A couple questions and another observation on using System Monitor to

observe the effects of Hibernation:

 

The system has 512 MB of RAM. After a normal boot which includes

firing up the System-Monitor, the Monitor shows 244 MB available. If

I force it into a 10 second hibernation it will emerge from

hibernating with about 300 MB available.

Is that great or what?

 

And when I repeat the hibernation it ... (see below)

 

If I have several applications up, say a couple IE6 sessions and a

Word session, plus the System Monitor then try to hibernate, the

system goes into hibernation but will not come out. Pressing the Ctrl

key does nothing, Mousing does nothing. Even Ctrl-Alt-Del does

nothing. Even pressing the Power On/Off button will not wake it up.

Fortunately this box has an On/Off switch at the back and fortunately

cycling power that way does the trick. Is this Normal?

 

In a forced power off situation, I expect to spend some time with

ScanDisk but in this instance it is not needed and the system would be

ready for use except I have it in Safe Mode ( because of the unusual

circumstances).

 

Oh yeah, When I repeat the hibernation it ... it's available memory

remains about 300 MB. This 300 number is interesting especially

considering that if one restarts the system with the Monitor on

autostart, the Monitor screen only shows 244 MB RAM available.

> A couple days ago, while running the System Monitor, I tried Start ->

> Shutdown -> Hibernate again. Good news! It appears to have a very

> positive affect in cleaning up memory leaks.

>

> We've been using winME at our home ever since it came out in 2000 or

> whenever. I have been constantly amazed at the bad press it receives

> because it has worked so well for us. At first I really liked its

> Movie Maker (had some help from MS before it was dependable with our

> old Sony VX1000). Also the Sony Blue Ray worked altho Sony told us it

> wouldn't.

> Since Internet Explorer 6.0, it definitely got worse. I put IE6.0 on

> twice. The first time up the system was such a pain that I figured out

> how to get it off and went back to IE5.5 after a week. I think it was

> a couple years and possibly more before we were somewhat coerced into

> trying IE6 again. Probably because the Intuit tax software demanded

> it. The system tolerated IE6 much better this time but still not as

> well as IE5 or 5.5.

>

> Anyway, this summer, July I think, I became curious about the non-

> default abilities of the System Monitor, turned it on and went thru

> them again. This time it seemed to be a good predictor of when

> system performance was beginning to slide. So we now have it on

> autostart and keep it up 24/7 (drag most of it off the right side of

> the screen).

>

> I've been watching two graphs: the Memory Manager: Unused physical

> memory and the Kernel Processor Usage. That has been an eyeopening

> experience. Almost immediately, I could see what appear to be major

> memory leaks - something worth complaining about. But a little

> Googling quickly found this has been widely reported for a long time.

> So I didn't waste anybody's time.

>

> The Kernel Processor Usage also looks bizarre. But that might only be

> due to my not understanding what this graph is supposed to show. I

> have long used performance meters, most recently I've used the basic

> NT4 performance meters. With that experience, this ME graph seems to

> reflect the system cpu utilization. It has the word "kernel" in the

> title so perhaps there is a "non-kernel" component to cpu

> utilization. Even so, what it appears to show is not good. After an

> hour or so, the cpu resources are about 75% consumed even when

> "resting" - the user doing nothing. The main work would have to be

> Virus checking and network monitoring (monitoring a Cox Cable Modem

> and maybe Bluetooth?).

>

> As for Hibernate - I think it worked for us initially. But it (or

> Standby?) normally comes on automatically - the screen saver comes on

> first cycling thru My Pictures for about 10 minutes then the computer

> goes to sleep (Black screen) so I seldom go thru the Start Button to

> turn on Hibernate (Start->Shutdown->Hibernate). Nowdays, it doesn't

> really work. The system hibernates for about 10 seconds then wakes up!

>

> But System Monitor does show whatever the current memory leaks are, it

> fixes them in 10 seconds.

>

> Check it out.

[Guest Him]

Re: GOOD NEWS! Memory Leak Work Around -> Hibernate

 

There is nothing at all wrong with using 100% of the RAM you got. In fact,

what you don't use is wasted.

 

Another thing, there is a kernel in the OS that stays busy keeping it all

running. I think all WIndows kernels dedicate half the amount of RAM you got,

whatever the amount, for itself. So simple mathematics tell me you don't have

anything at all running. I don't know if you use a single stick of RAM, but

you can try with 256 MB and you should find you have 128 MB of RAM unoccupied.

 

And I must concur with what you say about ME. After learning Active Desktop

was a bad piece of wood for our system, it has run like a charm every day for

six years.

 

"Bob" wrote:

> On Oct 2, 9:23 am, Bob <SierraBrot...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> A couple questions and another observation on using System Monitor to

> observe the effects of Hibernation:

>

> The system has 512 MB of RAM. After a normal boot which includes

> firing up the System-Monitor, the Monitor shows 244 MB available. If

> I force it into a 10 second hibernation it will emerge from

> hibernating with about 300 MB available.

> Is that great or what?

>

> And when I repeat the hibernation it ... (see below)

>

> If I have several applications up, say a couple IE6 sessions and a

> Word session, plus the System Monitor then try to hibernate, the

> system goes into hibernation but will not come out. Pressing the Ctrl

> key does nothing, Mousing does nothing. Even Ctrl-Alt-Del does

> nothing. Even pressing the Power On/Off button will not wake it up.

> Fortunately this box has an On/Off switch at the back and fortunately

> cycling power that way does the trick. Is this Normal?

>

> In a forced power off situation, I expect to spend some time with

> ScanDisk but in this instance it is not needed and the system would be

> ready for use except I have it in Safe Mode ( because of the unusual

> circumstances).

>

> Oh yeah, When I repeat the hibernation it ... it's available memory

> remains about 300 MB. This 300 number is interesting especially

> considering that if one restarts the system with the Monitor on

> autostart, the Monitor screen only shows 244 MB RAM available.

>

> > A couple days ago, while running the System Monitor, I tried Start ->

> > Shutdown -> Hibernate again. Good news! It appears to have a very

> > positive affect in cleaning up memory leaks.

> >

> > We've been using winME at our home ever since it came out in 2000 or

> > whenever. I have been constantly amazed at the bad press it receives

> > because it has worked so well for us. At first I really liked its

> > Movie Maker (had some help from MS before it was dependable with our

> > old Sony VX1000). Also the Sony Blue Ray worked altho Sony told us it

> > wouldn't.

> > Since Internet Explorer 6.0, it definitely got worse. I put IE6.0 on

> > twice. The first time up the system was such a pain that I figured out

> > how to get it off and went back to IE5.5 after a week. I think it was

> > a couple years and possibly more before we were somewhat coerced into

> > trying IE6 again. Probably because the Intuit tax software demanded

> > it. The system tolerated IE6 much better this time but still not as

> > well as IE5 or 5.5.

> >

> > Anyway, this summer, July I think, I became curious about the non-

> > default abilities of the System Monitor, turned it on and went thru

> > them again. This time it seemed to be a good predictor of when

> > system performance was beginning to slide. So we now have it on

> > autostart and keep it up 24/7 (drag most of it off the right side of

> > the screen).

> >

> > I've been watching two graphs: the Memory Manager: Unused physical

> > memory and the Kernel Processor Usage. That has been an eyeopening

> > experience. Almost immediately, I could see what appear to be major

> > memory leaks - something worth complaining about. But a little

> > Googling quickly found this has been widely reported for a long time.

> > So I didn't waste anybody's time.

> >

> > The Kernel Processor Usage also looks bizarre. But that might only be

> > due to my not understanding what this graph is supposed to show. I

> > have long used performance meters, most recently I've used the basic

> > NT4 performance meters. With that experience, this ME graph seems to

> > reflect the system cpu utilization. It has the word "kernel" in the

> > title so perhaps there is a "non-kernel" component to cpu

> > utilization. Even so, what it appears to show is not good. After an

> > hour or so, the cpu resources are about 75% consumed even when

> > "resting" - the user doing nothing. The main work would have to be

> > Virus checking and network monitoring (monitoring a Cox Cable Modem

> > and maybe Bluetooth?).

> >

> > As for Hibernate - I think it worked for us initially. But it (or

> > Standby?) normally comes on automatically - the screen saver comes on

> > first cycling thru My Pictures for about 10 minutes then the computer

> > goes to sleep (Black screen) so I seldom go thru the Start Button to

> > turn on Hibernate (Start->Shutdown->Hibernate). Nowdays, it doesn't

> > really work. The system hibernates for about 10 seconds then wakes up!

> >

> > But System Monitor does show whatever the current memory leaks are, it

> > fixes them in 10 seconds.

> >

> > Check it out.

>

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