Software Licensing

[Guest Calen Slezash]

If I have 10 remote users all running Windows 2000 Pro, a Windows Server

2003 Terminal Server Network Load-Balanced (NLB) farm of two nodes (Server A

and Server B), and MS Office 2003 installed on each server node, what do I

need to consider for licensing? I had called Microsoft 2 years ago on this,

and here is what I understand:

 

1) Windows Server CAL's - ten for Server A and ten for Server B

2) Terminal Server CAL's - ten for Server A and ten for Server B

3) Microsoft Office 2003 single license - one for Server A and one for

Server B

 

An associate has told me that one would instead require ten MS Office

licenses for each server node (20 total) in addition to the server CAL's.

When I had called Microsoft about this, they had told me that a single

Office license is required for each server since remote users would be

licensed for the use of Office by virtue of having a server CAL.

 

Can anyone confirm this please?

[Guest Vera Noest [MVP]]

Re: Software Licensing

 

None of the options that you have been told are correct :-(

 

1. server CALs:

assuming that the licensing mode of the Windows OS on all of your

servers (DC, Terminal Servers and whatever more servers you have in

your network) is "Per Device or Per User" mode (used to be called

"Per Seat" in W2K), you need exactly *one* server CAL for evey

device or user. This licensing mode should be choosen when you have

more than a single server, because it gives your clients the right

to connect to any number of servers with a single server CAL. 10

server CALs is enough for your 10 users in this configuration.

If your servers are configured in the "Per server" licensing mode,

then you would need server CALs for each server, the number being

the maximum number of simultaneous connections to each server.

Details here:

 

Licensing Overview for Windows Server 2003

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overv

iew.mspx

 

2. Terminal Server CALs:

You always need a TS CAL for every user or device which connects,

there is no option to license per concurrent connection. But: the

TS CALs are per user or per device and they give that user or

device the right to connect to any number of terminal Servers.

So you need 10 TS CALs.

Note that you have to choose between Per User or Per Device TS

CALs. Choose Per User if you have more clients than users, i.e.

your users connect from their office PC and a laptop and their home

PC. Choose Per device if you have more users than clients, i.e.

users work in shifts and share a workststation.

 

Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl

icfaq.mspx

 

3. Office licensing:

First the easy part: Office licensing is always per device, never

per user, never per concurrent usage. So you need an Office license

for every device which is used to run Office.

The difficult part is that an Office license for a device gives

that device the right to run Office whether it runs a locally

installed version of Office, or Office on a Terminal Server. So if

all of your clients already have a locally installed version of

Office, you would already have your required 10 Office licenses.

BUT: the above is only valid if the version of Office which is

installed locally is exactly the same version as Office on the TS.

And if Office came with the workstation, it's an OEM version, and

by definition, you can't install an OEM version of Office on the

TS. So that would mean that you would have to buy 10 Office

licenses anyway.

But maybe your clients don't have a local Office installation at

all, and in that case, you simply need 10 Office licenses (assuming

that your 10 users work from no more than 10 clients).

Note that you don't have to buy 10 Office licenses per Terminal

Server, it doesn't matter that Office is installed on multiple

Terminal Servers, the important part is how many clients run

Office, in one way or the other.

 

Licensing of Microsoft Desktop Application Software for Use with

Windows Server Terminal Services

http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de4-

a416-

07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_terminal_servi

ces.doc

_________________________________________________________

Vera Noest

MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

 

"Calen Slezash" <cslezash@h0tmail.c0m> wrote on 02 okt 2007 in

microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

> If I have 10 remote users all running Windows 2000 Pro, a

> Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server Network Load-Balanced (NLB)

> farm of two nodes (Server A and Server B), and MS Office 2003

> installed on each server node, what do I need to consider for

> licensing? I had called Microsoft 2 years ago on this, and here

> is what I understand:

>

> 1) Windows Server CAL's - ten for Server A and ten for Server B

> 2) Terminal Server CAL's - ten for Server A and ten for Server B

> 3) Microsoft Office 2003 single license - one for Server A and

> one for Server B

>

> An associate has told me that one would instead require ten MS

> Office licenses for each server node (20 total) in addition to

> the server CAL's. When I had called Microsoft about this, they

> had told me that a single Office license is required for each

> server since remote users would be licensed for the use of

> Office by virtue of having a server CAL.

>

> Can anyone confirm this please?

[Guest Calen Slezash]

Re: Software Licensing

 

Excellent...thank you Vera!

 

 

"Vera Noest [MVP]" <vera.noest@remove-this.hem.utfors.se> wrote in message

news:Xns99BDECD57EACveranoesthemutforsse@207.46.248.16...

> None of the options that you have been told are correct :-(

>

> 1. server CALs:

> assuming that the licensing mode of the Windows OS on all of your

> servers (DC, Terminal Servers and whatever more servers you have in

> your network) is "Per Device or Per User" mode (used to be called

> "Per Seat" in W2K), you need exactly *one* server CAL for evey

> device or user. This licensing mode should be choosen when you have

> more than a single server, because it gives your clients the right

> to connect to any number of servers with a single server CAL. 10

> server CALs is enough for your 10 users in this configuration.

> If your servers are configured in the "Per server" licensing mode,

> then you would need server CALs for each server, the number being

> the maximum number of simultaneous connections to each server.

> Details here:

>

> Licensing Overview for Windows Server 2003

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/overv

> iew.mspx

>

> 2. Terminal Server CALs:

> You always need a TS CAL for every user or device which connects,

> there is no option to license per concurrent connection. But: the

> TS CALs are per user or per device and they give that user or

> device the right to connect to any number of terminal Servers.

> So you need 10 TS CALs.

> Note that you have to choose between Per User or Per Device TS

> CALs. Choose Per User if you have more clients than users, i.e.

> your users connect from their office PC and a laptop and their home

> PC. Choose Per device if you have more users than clients, i.e.

> users work in shifts and share a workststation.

>

> Windows Server 2003 Pricing and Licensing FAQ

> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/pricl

> icfaq.mspx

>

> 3. Office licensing:

> First the easy part: Office licensing is always per device, never

> per user, never per concurrent usage. So you need an Office license

> for every device which is used to run Office.

> The difficult part is that an Office license for a device gives

> that device the right to run Office whether it runs a locally

> installed version of Office, or Office on a Terminal Server. So if

> all of your clients already have a locally installed version of

> Office, you would already have your required 10 Office licenses.

> BUT: the above is only valid if the version of Office which is

> installed locally is exactly the same version as Office on the TS.

> And if Office came with the workstation, it's an OEM version, and

> by definition, you can't install an OEM version of Office on the

> TS. So that would mean that you would have to buy 10 Office

> licenses anyway.

> But maybe your clients don't have a local Office installation at

> all, and in that case, you simply need 10 Office licenses (assuming

> that your 10 users work from no more than 10 clients).

> Note that you don't have to buy 10 Office licenses per Terminal

> Server, it doesn't matter that Office is installed on multiple

> Terminal Servers, the important part is how many clients run

> Office, in one way or the other.

>

> Licensing of Microsoft Desktop Application Software for Use with

> Windows Server Terminal Services

> http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/7/7/17745e4a-5d31-4de4-

> a416-

> 07c646336d94/desktop_application_with_windows_server_terminal_servi

> ces.doc

> _________________________________________________________

> Vera Noest

> MCSE, CCEA, Microsoft MVP - Terminal Server

> TS troubleshooting: http://ts.veranoest.net

> ___ please respond in newsgroup, NOT by private email ___

>

> "Calen Slezash" <cslezash@h0tmail.c0m> wrote on 02 okt 2007 in

> microsoft.public.windows.terminal_services:

>

>> If I have 10 remote users all running Windows 2000 Pro, a

>> Windows Server 2003 Terminal Server Network Load-Balanced (NLB)

>> farm of two nodes (Server A and Server B), and MS Office 2003

>> installed on each server node, what do I need to consider for

>> licensing? I had called Microsoft 2 years ago on this, and here

>> is what I understand:

>>

>> 1) Windows Server CAL's - ten for Server A and ten for Server B

>> 2) Terminal Server CAL's - ten for Server A and ten for Server B

>> 3) Microsoft Office 2003 single license - one for Server A and

>> one for Server B

>>

>> An associate has told me that one would instead require ten MS

>> Office licenses for each server node (20 total) in addition to

>> the server CAL's. When I had called Microsoft about this, they

>> had told me that a single Office license is required for each

>> server since remote users would be licensed for the use of

>> Office by virtue of having a server CAL.

>>

>> Can anyone confirm this please?