installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

[Guest Roxana]

Anyone have experience with:

 

Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned

hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

 

Is this possible?

 

What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one of

these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

 

Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

 

Roxana

[Guest Brian A.]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message

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> Anyone have experience with:

>

> Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned

> hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

 

Yes, but the PC's components must be up to date compatable for it to be successful.

>

> Is this possible?

 

Yes.

>

> What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

> Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one of

> these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

 

If in your question you are asking about "Virtual Machines", they do work when

installed in a enviroment that is compatable. A "VM" is not an operating syatem, it

is a virtual environment in which you can install multiple OS's. The number of OS's

installed is limited to the available disk space of which the VM is installed on.

>

> Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

 

 

--

 

Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }

Conflicts start where information lacks.

http://basconotw.mvps.org/

 

Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

[Guest Jeff Richards]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup, you

need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for that

particular job. See a description here:

http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

 

Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system into

it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's a

description here:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

 

The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install XP or

Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't simply

shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message

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> Anyone have experience with:

>

> Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned

> hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

>

> Is this possible?

>

> What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

> Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using one

> of

> these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

>

> Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

>

> Roxana

>

>

[Guest Roxana]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

 

"Brian A." wrote in message news:OMwfW8XBIHA.4656@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> "Roxana" wrote in message

> > Anyone have experience with:

> >

> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned

> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

>

> Yes, but the PC's components must be up to date compatable for it to be

successful.

 

I assume that things are already compatible, as I dual boot XP as it is (on

another hard disk). Just wondering if it's better - or not better - to have

the two OS' on one drive (separate volumes, of course) as opposed to two

different ones.

> >

> > Is this possible?

>

> Yes.

 

Okie-Dokie.

> >

> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using

one of

> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

>

> If in your question you are asking about "Virtual Machines", they do

work when

> installed in a enviroment that is compatable. A "VM" is not an operating

syatem, it

> is a virtual environment in which you can install multiple OS's. The

number of OS's

> installed is limited to the available disk space of which the VM is

installed on.

 

Does that mean that in these "VM's", one can have two 'un-separated'

opeating systems using the same VM, same volume (say 100 GB for example) ?

Hoping I worded that properly....

 

I may be absent for a day or two as some guests are due at my home. I will

return. And, thank you very much.

 

Roxana

>

> >

> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

>

>

> --

>

> Brian A. Sesko { MS MVP_Shell/User }

> Conflicts start where information lacks.

> http://basconotw.mvps.org/

>

> Suggested posting do's/don'ts: http://www.dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/555375

>

>

[Guest Roxana]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

Thanks for your speedy reply. :-)

 

Yes, I have a Boot Manager already. (dual booting 98se/XP on two separate

hard disks).

 

I've replied to Brian S, above. Therein I asked if its advantageous or not

advantageous to have both OS' on the same hard disk, but obviously, in 2

separate volumes. (as opposed to employing some VM)

 

"Creating a Virtual Machine and installing different OS'..." . Oh... it

depends on my needs. hehe I guess I'm just wondering if there's any

advantage or real purpose to having a VM if one has two separate OS'

already.

 

But, I see that *if* I wanted/needed one, it'd have to be the other way

around.

i.e. - WinXP would become Primary and W98se, secondary. I'd have to

*install*, and not copy the w98se OS into the VM, which I'd fist install

into the WinXP Drive/Volume. Is that right ?

 

I'll look at the MS VM link you provided. Thanks.

 

I may be away for a day or two. Friends are due for a visit to my home.

I will return. Thanks again.

 

Roxana

 

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message

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> To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup,

you

> need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for that

> particular job. See a description here:

> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

>

> Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system

into

> it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's a

> description here:

> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

>

> The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install XP

or

> Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't simply

> shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> "Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message

> news:%23y4rxjUBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > Anyone have experience with:

> >

> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a multi-partitioned

> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

> >

> > Is this possible?

> >

> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using

one

> > of

> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

> >

> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

> >

> > Roxana

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest Jeff Richards]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

With a dual boot setup only one OS is operating at any one time, so I can't

think of any reason that having two partitions on one disk would be any

better or worse than having two disks.

 

The reason that the choice depends on your needs is that the two options

provide very different functionality.

 

By dual booting, you simply choose whether you want to run this or that.

When you change your mind you shut down one and start the other.

 

By using a VM to install a second OS, you are committed to always booting

one OS (say, XP) and having that run all the time. Then, when needed, you

boot W98 as a VM, and switch between the two as required. Then exit W98,

terminate the VM, and continue to use XP until you shut down.

 

For instance, someone providing technical support for a mixture of users

would definitely go for the VM arrangement, as they can have XP running for

normal support and housekeeping, and start the W98 system as needed if a W98

user calls in. OTOH, a serious gamer only starts the machine to play a

particular game, and wouldn't want any part of the system being used by an

OS they don't need at the moment. So dual booting would be the sensible

choice for them.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message

news:OOA9R3hBIHA.5196@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Thanks for your speedy reply. :-)

>

> Yes, I have a Boot Manager already. (dual booting 98se/XP on two separate

> hard disks).

>

> I've replied to Brian S, above. Therein I asked if its advantageous or not

> advantageous to have both OS' on the same hard disk, but obviously, in 2

> separate volumes. (as opposed to employing some VM)

>

> "Creating a Virtual Machine and installing different OS'..." . Oh... it

> depends on my needs. hehe I guess I'm just wondering if there's any

> advantage or real purpose to having a VM if one has two separate OS'

> already.

>

> But, I see that *if* I wanted/needed one, it'd have to be the other way

> around.

> i.e. - WinXP would become Primary and W98se, secondary. I'd have to

> *install*, and not copy the w98se OS into the VM, which I'd fist install

> into the WinXP Drive/Volume. Is that right ?

>

> I'll look at the MS VM link you provided. Thanks.

>

> I may be away for a day or two. Friends are due for a visit to my home.

> I will return. Thanks again.

>

> Roxana

>

> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message

> news:OXCxxsZBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup,

> you

>> need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for that

>> particular job. See a description here:

>> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

>>

>> Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system

> into

>> it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's a

>> description here:

>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

>>

>> The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install XP

> or

>> Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't simply

>> shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.

>> --

>> Jeff Richards

>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>> "Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message

>> news:%23y4rxjUBIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> > Anyone have experience with:

>> >

>> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a

>> > multi-partitioned

>> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

>> >

>> > Is this possible?

>> >

>> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

>> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using

> one

>> > of

>> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

>> >

>> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

>> >

>> > Roxana

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>

>

[Guest Dan]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating syst

 

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating syst

 

I fall under the category of serious old school dos gamer. <LOL>

Roxana, I also have a dual-boot with 98 Second Edition and my other operating

system is XP Professional. I am planning on now buying BING because I tested

it once and it was great and many people here like it so I am now convinced.

In addition, I want to hide 98 Second Edition and XP Professional from each

to prevent problems between the 2 operating systems and as PCR can attest to

that was my big issue when I hooked up VPN (Virtual Private Networking) via

my home with permission from Ken Cole, Director of Technology at APS. I do

not want to mention his email again here and I was wrong to post it in the

first place.

 

If you want to know more about this or the Albuquerque Public Schools

then please email me at dewspace1975@hotmail.com. Please remove the space

and proper protections such as plain text and other safety protocals are in

place. I love getting the email phising scams such as the ones from Africa

that are false asking for money. A recent one I got was from the cia asking

for money but it was the cia.com. I wonder how so many people fall for these

email scams and so I don't trust email too much but then again I don't trust

telephones too much. I prefer writing and sending certified mail with a

return receipt when necessary and like face to face contact as needed. Thank

you and have a great week.

 

Dan Weiser

Educational Assistant at APS Elementary School

[Guest Roxana]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

Hi again. :-) I apologize for my absence.

 

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message

news:OXrMQDnBIHA.324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> With a dual boot setup only one OS is operating at any one time, so I

can't

> think of any reason that having two partitions on one disk would be any

> better or worse than having two disks.

 

OK. No diff as far as logic or 'safety' or any particular reason then ?

Great ! That makes that very easy. :-)

>

> The reason that the choice depends on your needs is that the two options

> provide very different functionality.

 

So I see.

>

> By dual booting, you simply choose whether you want to run this or that.

> When you change your mind you shut down one and start the other.

 

Yes. Simple enough.

>

> By using a VM to install a second OS, you are committed to always booting

> one OS (say, XP) and having that run all the time. Then, when needed, you

> boot W98 as a VM, and switch between the two as required. Then exit W98,

> terminate the VM, and continue to use XP until you shut down.

 

Explained very clearly. Thank you. :-)

>

> For instance, someone providing technical support for a mixture of users

> would definitely go for the VM arrangement, as they can have XP running

for

> normal support and housekeeping, and start the W98 system as needed if a

W98

> user calls in.

 

Perfectly logical reason and purpose. Since I have no call for such, its one

I don't need,. That's a relief.

 

OTOH, a serious gamer only starts the machine to play a

> particular game, and wouldn't want any part of the system being used by an

> OS they don't need at the moment. So dual booting would be the sensible

> choice for them.

 

Again, you've very clearly made the point so that even I can understand it.

 

Thank you very much. <s>

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>

> "Roxana" wrote:

> > Thanks for your speedy reply. :-)

> >

> > Yes, I have a Boot Manager already. (dual booting 98se/XP on two

separate

> > hard disks).

> >

> > I've replied to Brian S, above. Therein I asked if its advantageous or

not

> > advantageous to have both OS' on the same hard disk, but obviously, in 2

> > separate volumes. (as opposed to employing some VM)

> >

> > "Creating a Virtual Machine and installing different OS'..." . Oh... it

> > depends on my needs. hehe I guess I'm just wondering if there's any

> > advantage or real purpose to having a VM if one has two separate OS'

> > already.

> >

> > But, I see that *if* I wanted/needed one, it'd have to be the other way

> > around.

> > i.e. - WinXP would become Primary and W98se, secondary. I'd have to

> > *install*, and not copy the w98se OS into the VM, which I'd fist install

> > into the WinXP Drive/Volume. Is that right ?

> >

> > I'll look at the MS VM link you provided. Thanks.

> >

> > I may be away for a day or two. Friends are due for a visit to my home.

> > I will return. Thanks again.

> >

> > Roxana

> >

> > "Jeff Richards" wrote in message:

> >> To have more than one OS on a drive and select between them at startup,

> > you

> >> need a boot manager. They definitely work and are very effective for

that

> >> particular job. See a description here:

> >> http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/

> >>

> >> Creating a Virtual Machine and installing a different operating system

> > into

> >> it is also quite effective - the choice depends on your needs. There's

a

> >> description here:

> >>

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/winfamily/virtualpc/default.mspx

> >>

> >> The MS virtual machine won't work in W98, so you would need to install

XP

> > or

> >> Vista, then create a virtual machine to install W98 in. You can't

simply

> >> shift an existing installation of W98 into a virtual machine.

> >> --

> >> Jeff Richards

> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> >>

> >> "Roxana" wrote:

> >> > Anyone have experience with:

> >> >

> >> > Putting a second operating system (such as WinXP) on a

> >> > multi-partitioned

> >> > hard disk already having an OS (W98se) on it ?

> >> >

> >> > Is this possible?

> >> >

> >> > What about these so called 'virtual operating systems' ?

> >> > Do they work ? If so, is there any advantage or disadvantage to using

> > one

> >> > of

> >> > these VOS'es instead of a real operating system ?

> >> >

> >> > Sorry for the multiple questions, but thanking you for any answers.

> >> >

> >> > Roxana

> >> >

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest Jeff Richards]

Re: installing second operating system or a virtual operating system

 

You're very welcome.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Roxana" <somewherefaraway@3rdStone.net> wrote in message

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> Hi again. :-) I apologize for my absence.

>

> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message

> news:OXrMQDnBIHA.324@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> With a dual boot setup only one OS is operating at any one time, so I

> can't

>> think of any reason that having two partitions on one disk would be any

>> better or worse than having two disks.

>

> OK. No diff as far as logic or 'safety' or any particular reason then ?

> Great ! That makes that very easy. :-)

>>

>> The reason that the choice depends on your needs is that the two options

>> provide very different functionality.

>

> So I see.

>>

>> By dual booting, you simply choose whether you want to run this or that.

>> When you change your mind you shut down one and start the other.

>

> Yes. Simple enough.

>>

>> By using a VM to install a second OS, you are committed to always booting

>> one OS (say, XP) and having that run all the time. Then, when needed,

>> you

>> boot W98 as a VM, and switch between the two as required. Then exit W98,

>> terminate the VM, and continue to use XP until you shut down.

>

> Explained very clearly. Thank you. :-)

>>

>> For instance, someone providing technical support for a mixture of users

>> would definitely go for the VM arrangement, as they can have XP running

> for

>> normal support and housekeeping, and start the W98 system as needed if a

> W98

>> user calls in.

>

> Perfectly logical reason and purpose. Since I have no call for such, its

> one

> I don't need,. That's a relief.

>

> OTOH, a serious gamer only starts the machine to play a

>> particular game, and wouldn't want any part of the system being used by

>> an

>> OS they don't need at the moment. So dual booting would be the sensible

>> choice for them.

>

> Again, you've very clearly made the point so that even I can understand

> it.

>

> Thank you very much. <s>

>> --

>> Jeff Richards

>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>>