Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

[Guest Bob]

I'd mentioned a few days back that Hibernate seems to do an excellent

job of cleaning up memory leaks altho my hibernations (only) averaged

about 10 seconds. Like catnaps, these short hibernation sessions

seemed to really revitalize the system performance. I'm sorry if I'm

beating on a dead horse but I have seen no mention of a refreshing and

memory cleansing associated with hibernate. A reboot has always been

needed to get such a refreshing effect.

 

I have to report a couple errata...

First the (System Monitor) reported available memory after Hibernating

is 366 MB, not 300 MB (on a 512 MB RAM system).

Second, and probably more significant, the nature of my hibernate

sessions has changed and I can't explain why. Today true hibernation

occurs.

 

The other day I said the extent of a hibernation session was about 10

seconds. After 10 seconds my computer resumed operation with the

memory cleansed from (plus an increment from 244 MB max to 300 MB

max).

 

At first Start ->Shutdown->Hibernate was followed in a second or two

by a black screen and the green Power On Led at the front of the

monitor going off. Eight seconds after that the monitor would regain

power and shows the usual desk top.

 

That has changed and the monitor is NOT automatically

returning to active status. Instead the computer appears to shutdown.

The fans on the PSU and CPU turn off. The leds that I usually look at

show the system is off go off. It stays that way even if I mouse or

press keys on the keyboard including Ctrl-Alt-Del. When I press the

Power-on button at the front of the chassis, hold it for a second or

two, then it appears to do a normal restart except, after the usual

boot-up messages appear on the screen, something like a white status

bar appears at the bottom of the screen with a message about

Hibernation is over. A few seconds everything appears to be better as

I reported previously.

 

Bottom line is my original report that System Monitor indicates

Hibernate cleans up memory leaks plus adds another increment of memory

for the Users space still seems valid. But, instead of taking just

ten seconds and with no other user action, now it appears that one

will go thru a true hibernation cycle and these take me at least a

minute.

 

Hope this helps,

Bob

[Guest Mike M]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

Bob,

 

With the greatest of respect I feel you are to a fair extent wasting your

time, especially in posting to this newsgroup, since many of those who

might have been interested went down the path you are now travelling six

and seven years ago. Win Me is long out of even extended support. No-one

is going to fix any problems that you might (think you) have found.

Microsoft isn't going to respond and those that might have been able to

help and offer suggestions did so seven years ago when Win Me was first

released in mid 2000 and have since moved on, first to XP, then Win2K3 and

now Vista and are busy testing XP SP3 and Vista SP1. Remember that much

of what you are discovering today was reported by others including myself

in these newsgroups six and seven years ago.

--

Mike Maltby

mike.maltby@gmail.com

 

 

 

Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'd mentioned a few days back that Hibernate seems to do an excellent

> job of cleaning up memory leaks altho my hibernations (only) averaged

> about 10 seconds. Like catnaps, these short hibernation sessions

> seemed to really revitalize the system performance. I'm sorry if I'm

> beating on a dead horse but I have seen no mention of a refreshing and

> memory cleansing associated with hibernate. A reboot has always been

> needed to get such a refreshing effect.

>

> I have to report a couple errata...

> First the (System Monitor) reported available memory after Hibernating

> is 366 MB, not 300 MB (on a 512 MB RAM system).

> Second, and probably more significant, the nature of my hibernate

> sessions has changed and I can't explain why. Today true hibernation

> occurs.

>

> The other day I said the extent of a hibernation session was about 10

> seconds. After 10 seconds my computer resumed operation with the

> memory cleansed from (plus an increment from 244 MB max to 300 MB

> max).

>

> At first Start ->Shutdown->Hibernate was followed in a second or two

> by a black screen and the green Power On Led at the front of the

> monitor going off. Eight seconds after that the monitor would regain

> power and shows the usual desk top.

>

> That has changed and the monitor is NOT automatically

> returning to active status. Instead the computer appears to shutdown.

> The fans on the PSU and CPU turn off. The leds that I usually look at

> show the system is off go off. It stays that way even if I mouse or

> press keys on the keyboard including Ctrl-Alt-Del. When I press the

> Power-on button at the front of the chassis, hold it for a second or

> two, then it appears to do a normal restart except, after the usual

> boot-up messages appear on the screen, something like a white status

> bar appears at the bottom of the screen with a message about

> Hibernation is over. A few seconds everything appears to be better as

> I reported previously.

>

> Bottom line is my original report that System Monitor indicates

> Hibernate cleans up memory leaks plus adds another increment of memory

> for the Users space still seems valid. But, instead of taking just

> ten seconds and with no other user action, now it appears that one

> will go thru a true hibernation cycle and these take me at least a

> minute.

[Guest Greegor]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

 

Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

 

Do you happen to remember if the memory leak

problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

 

I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

[Guest Mike M]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

Greegor <Greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

 

Not at all, those requesting help have always received it here.

> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

 

Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet and

have a reasonably secure system.

> Do you happen to remember if the memory leak

> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

 

Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of the

Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and applications

have been archived and are no longer available.

> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

 

In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has

been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to have

archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

fubared..

--

Mike Maltby

mike.maltby@gmail.com

[Guest Mart]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

Mike, for those who wish to resurrect the topic, or perhaps get a clearer

understanding then maybe a couple of good starting points are visits to Jim

Eshelman's site -

http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm

 

or Chris Quirke's site -

http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/software.htm

 

where amongst (many!) other things, both Jim and Chris discuss the issue of

"Memory Leaks" - (Use Edit / "Find on this Page" - leak)

 

Mart

 

 

"Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message

news:uD9V89%23BIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Greegor <Greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

>

>> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

>

> Not at all, those requesting help have always received it here.

>

>> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

>

> Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet and

> have a reasonably secure system.

>

>> Do you happen to remember if the memory leak

>> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

>

> Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of the

> Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and applications

> have been archived and are no longer available.

>

>> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

>

> In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has

> been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to have

> archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

> fubared..

> --

> Mike Maltby

> mike.maltby@gmail.com

>

>

[Guest Bob]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

 

Thank you everybody for your contribution. They are all great.

 

A question for the experts - I've read a lot of what you posted. It

still is not clear what is going on. I start out at 300+ MB available

memory. Leaving the system up overnight, the next moring I am usually

down to 12 MB available. My AV and ZoneAlarm are running plus System

Monitor. My cable connection is alive but I have no automatic email

checks or anything else but the occasional ZA spyware updating going

on. Am I seeing a serious leak or is this the result of Vcache

anticipation or ??

 

Before my initial post on Hibernation, I did do some research via

google in all newsgroups it indexes. I don't recall finding a

reference to Eschelman's web material or any of the others brought up

in this set of postings.

 

I thought it was odd. But as Mike M just noted (and others

elsewhere),

"... sadly many of the

Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and

applications

have been archived and are no longer available. "

....

"In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what

has

been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to

have

archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

fubared..."

 

After I noticed the characteristics of hibernation on my system

changing, I tried using a Google search to return to this NG but

Google's search didn't report my entry.

 

So I sent Google a question as to how frequently they index newsgroups

or was it the case that they have an agreement with Microsoft to not

index topics Microsoft declares dead. They haven't replied (yet) but

I finally noticed that Google provides each of us individually with

sort of a personal FAQ and that is a useful tool for following up on

our questions. (When did they start doing this?)

 

My bottom line is there is considerable fubarring (a nice way to say

it) going on...

 

HTH

Bob

 

 

On Oct 6, 4:49 am, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

> Mike, for those who wish to resurrect the topic, or perhaps get a clearer

> understanding then maybe a couple of good starting points are visits to Jim

> Eshelman's site -http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm

>

> or Chris Quirke's site -http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/software.htm

>

> where amongst (many!) other things, both Jim and Chris discuss the issue of

> "MemoryLeaks" - (Use Edit / "Find on this Page" - leak)

>

> Mart

>

> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message

>

> news:uD9V89%23BIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

>

>

> > Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> >> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

>

> > Not at all, those requesting helphavealways received it here.

>

> >> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

>

> > Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet and

> >havea reasonably secure system.

>

> >> Do you happen to remember if thememoryleak

> >> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

>

> > Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of the

> > Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and applications

> >havebeen archived and are no longer available.

>

> >> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

>

> > In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has

> > been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem tohave

> > archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

> > fubared..

> > --

> > Mike Maltby

> > mike.mal...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

[Guest Mike M]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

Google does not filter out newsgroup topics. For newsgroups it appears to

have discarded many older posting but I suspect that is an index problem,

hopefully temporary, as otherwise the net will have lost a great resource.

In addition there are also posters who for some reason use the X-NoArchive

header which Google respects and discards posts so marked after, I

believe, a month.

--

Mike Maltby

mike.maltby@gmail.com

 

 

Bob <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you everybody for your contribution. They are all great.

>

> A question for the experts - I've read a lot of what you posted. It

> still is not clear what is going on. I start out at 300+ MB available

> memory. Leaving the system up overnight, the next moring I am usually

> down to 12 MB available. My AV and ZoneAlarm are running plus System

> Monitor. My cable connection is alive but I have no automatic email

> checks or anything else but the occasional ZA spyware updating going

> on. Am I seeing a serious leak or is this the result of Vcache

> anticipation or ??

>

> Before my initial post on Hibernation, I did do some research via

> google in all newsgroups it indexes. I don't recall finding a

> reference to Eschelman's web material or any of the others brought up

> in this set of postings.

>

> I thought it was odd. But as Mike M just noted (and others

> elsewhere),

> "... sadly many of the

> Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and

> applications

> have been archived and are no longer available. "

> ...

> "In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what

> has

> been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to

> have

> archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

> fubared..."

>

> After I noticed the characteristics of hibernation on my system

> changing, I tried using a Google search to return to this NG but

> Google's search didn't report my entry.

>

> So I sent Google a question as to how frequently they index newsgroups

> or was it the case that they have an agreement with Microsoft to not

> index topics Microsoft declares dead. They haven't replied (yet) but

> I finally noticed that Google provides each of us individually with

> sort of a personal FAQ and that is a useful tool for following up on

> our questions. (When did they start doing this?)

>

> My bottom line is there is considerable fubarring (a nice way to say

> it) going on...

[Guest Dapper Dan]

Re: Have memory leaks? Hibernate...

 

Bob

 

I haven't followed this thread closely so if my suggestion has been

recommended, please disregard below.

 

I seem to recall that ZA could be a resource hog. As a matter of fact, on

the recommendation of some of the gurus in this NG several years ago, I

uninstalled ZA and replaced it with Kerio 2.1.5, an effective Firewall

utility with a very small footprint. Also, I don't know what AV you are

running but if it's McAfee or Norton, you would be well advised to consider

replacing it. Again, on the recommendation of this NG, I installed Avast

(freeware) and have been completely satisfied.

 

You can check out what ZA and your AV uses by shutting them down overnight.

Just make sure to disconnect from the internet.

 

Hope this helps

 

Dan

"Bob" <SierraBrother@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1191939667.227996.181040@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...

>

> Thank you everybody for your contribution. They are all great.

>

> A question for the experts - I've read a lot of what you posted. It

> still is not clear what is going on. I start out at 300+ MB available

> memory. Leaving the system up overnight, the next moring I am usually

> down to 12 MB available. My AV and ZoneAlarm are running plus System

> Monitor. My cable connection is alive but I have no automatic email

> checks or anything else but the occasional ZA spyware updating going

> on. Am I seeing a serious leak or is this the result of Vcache

> anticipation or ??

>

> Before my initial post on Hibernation, I did do some research via

> google in all newsgroups it indexes. I don't recall finding a

> reference to Eschelman's web material or any of the others brought up

> in this set of postings.

>

> I thought it was odd. But as Mike M just noted (and others

> elsewhere),

> "... sadly many of the

> Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and

> applications

> have been archived and are no longer available. "

> ...

> "In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what

> has

> been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem to

> have

> archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

> fubared..."

>

> After I noticed the characteristics of hibernation on my system

> changing, I tried using a Google search to return to this NG but

> Google's search didn't report my entry.

>

> So I sent Google a question as to how frequently they index newsgroups

> or was it the case that they have an agreement with Microsoft to not

> index topics Microsoft declares dead. They haven't replied (yet) but

> I finally noticed that Google provides each of us individually with

> sort of a personal FAQ and that is a useful tool for following up on

> our questions. (When did they start doing this?)

>

> My bottom line is there is considerable fubarring (a nice way to say

> it) going on...

>

> HTH

> Bob

>

>

> On Oct 6, 4:49 am, "Mart" <mart(NoSpam)@nospam.nospam> wrote:

>> Mike, for those who wish to resurrect the topic, or perhaps get a clearer

>> understanding then maybe a couple of good starting points are visits to

>> Jim

>> Eshelman's site -http://aumha.org/win4/a/memmgmt.htm

>>

>> or Chris Quirke's site -http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x/software.htm

>>

>> where amongst (many!) other things, both Jim and Chris discuss the issue

>> of

>> "MemoryLeaks" - (Use Edit / "Find on this Page" - leak)

>>

>> Mart

>>

>> "Mike M" <No_Spam@Corned_Beef.Only> wrote in message

>>

>> news:uD9V89%23BIHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>

>>

>>

>> > Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> >> Mike, Is this newsgroup just to tell people with WinME to quit?

>>

>> > Not at all, those requesting helphavealways received it here.

>>

>> >> Sure, the MASS MARKET has moved on.

>>

>> > Not just the mass market but also those who wish to use the internet

>> > and

>> >havea reasonably secure system.

>>

>> >> Do you happen to remember if thememoryleak

>> >> problem was ever fixed by Microsoft or somebody else?

>>

>> > Let Google, Yahoo or perhaps even MSN be your friend but sadly many of

>> > the

>> > Microsoft KB articles for unsupported operating systems and

>> > applications

>> >havebeen archived and are no longer available.

>>

>> >> I for one was happy to read Bob's observations.

>>

>> > In which case you might want to use Google Groups and find out what has

>> > been said before and what might be new although sadly Google seem

>> > tohave

>> > archived many of the older postings, either that or their search is

>> > fubared..

>> > --

>> > Mike Maltby

>> > mike.mal...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

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