Guest bones4jones@gmail.com Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. On Oct 6, 5:05 pm, Peter Kai Jensen <use...@pekajemaps.homeip.net> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > qones4jo...@gmail.com wrote: > > [snip - troll] > > And you just have *oh* so much credibility when posting anonymously > through through an open proxy: > > http://www.aliveproxy.com/proxy-checker/?i=216.89.101.4&p=80 > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFHB/igd1ZThqotgfgRAlU2AJ9E579iGGsGn4PZkfEnr7ySeNrZigCffr+f > OyTXVq4UDgFXiNbd4hQ8LqU= > =JyXR > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > PeKaJe > > Less is more or less more > -- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER Notice the total inability to discuss the topic and the need to keep the thread stifled in COLA instead of trying to debate it elsewhere where people with no axe to grind might comment on their negative Linux experiences. Typical COLA zealot. A frightened fool.
Guest Gordon Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. <bones4jones@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1191705021.929885.3670@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... > On Oct 6, 5:05 pm, Peter Kai Jensen <use...@pekajemaps.homeip.net> > wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> qones4jo...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> [snip - troll] >> >> And you just have *oh* so much credibility when posting anonymously >> through through an open proxy: >> >> http://www.aliveproxy.com/proxy-checker/?i=216.89.101.4&p=80 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFHB/igd1ZThqotgfgRAlU2AJ9E579iGGsGn4PZkfEnr7ySeNrZigCffr+f >> OyTXVq4UDgFXiNbd4hQ8LqU= >> =JyXR >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> -- >> PeKaJe >> >> Less is more or less more >> -- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER > > Notice the total inability to discuss the topic and the need to keep > the thread stifled in COLA instead of trying to debate it elsewhere > where people with no axe to grind might comment on their negative > Linux experiences. > Umm I have NO "negative" Linux experiences.....it just errr works......
Guest John King Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:13:39 +0100, Gordon wrote: > <bones4jones@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1191705021.929885.3670@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >> On Oct 6, 5:05 pm, Peter Kai Jensen <use...@pekajemaps.homeip.net> >> wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> qones4jo...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> [snip - troll] >>> >>> And you just have *oh* so much credibility when posting anonymously >>> through through an open proxy: >>> >>> http://www.aliveproxy.com/proxy-checker/?i=216.89.101.4&p=80 >>> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >>> >>> iD8DBQFHB/igd1ZThqotgfgRAlU2AJ9E579iGGsGn4PZkfEnr7ySeNrZigCffr+f >>> OyTXVq4UDgFXiNbd4hQ8LqU= >>> =JyXR >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> -- >>> PeKaJe >>> >>> Less is more or less more >>> -- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER >> >> Notice the total inability to discuss the topic and the need to keep >> the thread stifled in COLA instead of trying to debate it elsewhere >> where people with no axe to grind might comment on their negative Linux >> experiences. >> >> > Umm I have NO "negative" Linux experiences.....it just errr works...... If it works so great, why are so few people using it? -- John King beerking59@oohay.com "Just Say No To DRM"
Guest Gordon Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. "John King" <beerking59@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:fe8u30$ec7$26@registered.motzarella.org... > > If it works so great, why are so few people using it? Because, up until a year or so ago, due to Microsoft's predatory marketing practices, the consumer had NO CHOICE - they were unable to buy a machine from any of the large vendors with Linux pre-installed. And as we all know - people use what they are given.
Guest Winda Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message news:fe8ujp$md7$1@news.mixmin.net... | "John King" <beerking59@yahoo.com> wrote in message | news:fe8u30$ec7$26@registered.motzarella.org... | > | > If it works so great, why are so few people using it? | | Because, up until a year or so ago, due to Microsoft's predatory marketing | practices, the consumer had NO CHOICE - they were unable to buy a machine | from any of the large vendors with Linux pre-installed. And as we all know - | people use what they are given. Tell us about this predatory Marketing. - Winda
Guest Frank Posted October 6, 2007 Posted October 6, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Gordon wrote: > "John King" <beerking59@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:fe8u30$ec7$26@registered.motzarella.org... > >>If it works so great, why are so few people using it? > > > Because, up until a year or so ago, due to Microsoft's predatory marketing > practices, the consumer had NO CHOICE - they were unable to buy a machine > from any of the large vendors with Linux pre-installed. And as we all know - > people use what they are given. > > We've heard that lame excuse for the last decade or so. Linux is POS toy os practically no one wants. Frank
Guest Jupiter Jones [MVP] Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. "people use what they are given." Yes, but they also use what they choose to purchase. There have always been options and the sorry excuse "predatory marketing" has been overused to explain what it can't because it is false. "the consumer had NO CHOICE" And perhaps it is this FALSE belief that has contributed to the stagnant growth of Linux. A few years ago Dell offered Linux but it quietly faded away presumably because of little or no interest. There have always been choices and probably always will be. Instead of making excuses and bashing Microsoft, Linux would be better served by the users promoting their benefits instead of the competitions liabilities. When the competitions liabilities are the focus it seems clear that there is little if no benefit of the other. Politics is one of the few areas where bashing the competition is rampant. Otherwise most advertising is focused on the positives of the product. Of course politicians in general are well loved because of their bashing! -- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar http://www.dts-l.org "Gordon" <gbplinux@gmail.com.invalid> wrote in message news:fe8ujp$md7$1@news.mixmin.net... > Because, up until a year or so ago, due to Microsoft's predatory > marketing practices, the consumer had NO CHOICE - they were unable > to buy a machine from any of the large vendors with Linux > pre-installed. And as we all know - people use what they are given.
Guest bob Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 14:10:21 -0700, bones4jones wrote: > On Oct 6, 5:05 pm, Peter Kai Jensen <use...@pekajemaps.homeip.net> > wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> qones4jo...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> [snip - troll] >> >> And you just have *oh* so much credibility when posting anonymously >> through through an open proxy: >> >> http://www.aliveproxy.com/proxy-checker/?i=216.89.101.4&p=80 >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iD8DBQFHB/igd1ZThqotgfgRAlU2AJ9E579iGGsGn4PZkfEnr7ySeNrZigCffr+f >> OyTXVq4UDgFXiNbd4hQ8LqU= >> =JyXR >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> -- >> PeKaJe >> >> Less is more or less more >> -- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER > > Notice the total inability to discuss the topic and the need to keep the > thread stifled in COLA instead of trying to debate it elsewhere where > people with no axe to grind might comment on their negative Linux > experiences. > > Typical COLA zealot. > A frightened fool. When you post in such a way that you look like a total jackass, why would you expect anyone to waste their time trying to educate you?
Guest Rick Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 21:18:24 +0000, John King wrote: > On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 22:13:39 +0100, Gordon wrote: > >> <bones4jones@gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:1191705021.929885.3670@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com... >>> On Oct 6, 5:05 pm, Peter Kai Jensen <use...@pekajemaps.homeip.net> >>> wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> qones4jo...@gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> [snip - troll] >>>> >>>> And you just have *oh* so much credibility when posting anonymously >>>> through through an open proxy: >>>> >>>> http://www.aliveproxy.com/proxy-checker/?i=216.89.101.4&p=80 >>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>> >>>> iD8DBQFHB/igd1ZThqotgfgRAlU2AJ9E579iGGsGn4PZkfEnr7ySeNrZigCffr+f >>>> OyTXVq4UDgFXiNbd4hQ8LqU= >>>> =JyXR >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> -- >>>> PeKaJe >>>> >>>> Less is more or less more >>>> -- Y_Plentyn on #LinuxGER >>> >>> Notice the total inability to discuss the topic and the need to keep >>> the thread stifled in COLA instead of trying to debate it elsewhere >>> where people with no axe to grind might comment on their negative >>> Linux experiences. >>> >>> >> Umm I have NO "negative" Linux experiences.....it just errr works...... > > If it works so great, why are so few people using it? Why are you that stupid.. or dishonest? -- Rick
Guest High Plains Thumper Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: > "Gordon" wrote... > >> Because, up until a year or so ago, due to Microsoft's >> predatory marketing practices, the consumer had NO CHOICE - >> they were unable to buy a machine from any of the large >> vendors with Linux pre-installed. And as we all know - >> people use what they are given. > > "people use what they are given." Yes, but they also use what > they choose to purchase. > > There have always been options and the sorry excuse "predatory > marketing" has been overused to explain what it can't because > it is false. Predatory marketing has already been substantiated by court cases, documents available on the Internet. Reference USDOJ Memorandum Opinion, Page 197: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/msdoj/2002/Lit11-1.pdf During this litigation, promises have been made on behalf of Microsoft that the company will change its predatory practices which have been part of its competitive strategy in order to comply with the remedial decree. The Court will hold Microsoft’s directors, particularly those who testified before this Court, responsible for implementing each provision of this remedial decree. Let it not be said of Microsoft that “a prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise,”84 for this Court will exercise its full panoply of powers to ensure that the letter and spirit of this remedial decree are carried out. November 1, 2002 COLLEEN KOLLAR-KOTELLY United States District Judge > "the consumer had NO CHOICE" And perhaps it is this FALSE > belief that has contributed to the stagnant growth of Linux. A > few years ago Dell offered Linux but it quietly faded away > presumably because of little or no interest. There have always > been choices and probably always will be. Lack of consumer choice is being proliferated by a multitude of corporate actions by Microsoft: http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/WINXP_anticompetitive_study.pdf A Resounding, Pro-Consumer Ruling Demands A Strong Remedy To Prevent Future Harm In a full bench review, the U.S. Appeals Court for the District of Columbia Court unanimously affirmed the initial ruling that Microsoft illegally maintained its monopoly in operating systems. The Appeals Court upheld all lower court Findings of Fact that Microsoft’s abuse of monopoly power harms consumers by increasing costs, restricting choice, impairing quality and retarding innovation. In fact, as articulated by the courts, the central issue in the case and the remedy phase is not whether we have innovation in the software industry, but whether innovation is driven by a vigorous competitive process, or managed by a single, dominant firm that can choose, at any moment and with a vast, ever- expanding supply of anti-competitive tactics, to protect and promote its interest at the expense of consumers. The ruling has been widely applauded by liberal and conservative commentators, not only because of the importance of the software industry, but also because of the reaffirmation of the role of antitrust in the new economy. The New Challenge: “Windows XP/.NET” These findings are especially critical because Microsoft is in the process of rolling out the most aggressive bundle of products in its history – an operating system (Windows XP) with a host of embedded applications (browser, messenger, media player) that is intertwined with a wide array of Internet services (Hailstorm and the .NET initiative). The bundle covers all of the functionalities that are converging on the Internet including: • Communications: E-Mail (Hotmail), Messaging (Microsoft Messenger) • Commerce: Identity Verification (Passport—names and addresses), Utilities (e.g. Calendars, Contact Lists), Transactions (e.g. documents, payment records) • Multimedia Applications: Music and Video (Media Player 8), Digital Photography (My Pictures) • Internet Services: MSN Today these Internet activities are vigorously competitive, just as the browser was before Microsoft launched its monopolistic assault, but Microsoft requires computer manufacturers to buy all of “Windows XP/.NET”, and laces the bundle with technological and business practices that have already been ruled illegal by the courts, such as the following: • commingled code, • proprietary languages, • exclusive functionalities promoted by restrictive licenses, • refusal to support competing applications, • embedded links, and • deceptive messages. With the launch of “Windows XP/.NET” Microsoft is adding new tactics to its anticompetitive campaign. For the first time, Microsoft is requiring software developers to “pre-certify” their software with Microsoft. It is also requiring that consumers activate their operating system, and provide extensive information to Microsoft. The operating system monitors the computer on which it is installed—too many changes to the computer configuration will make the software think it is being used on a second PC. It will lock up and consumers will have to contact Microsoft to reactivate it. Microsoft’s anti-competitive leveraging also gets personal, through an identity authentication service called Passport. Microsoft has declared that “all Windows users will get a Passport.” This identity authentication service will build a massive proprietary database of personal information and transactional details, by leveraging its illegally preserved monopolies in operating systems, the browser, and office applications. > Instead of making excuses and bashing Microsoft, Linux would > be better served by the users promoting their benefits instead > of the competitions liabilities. When the competitions > liabilities are the focus it seems clear that there is little > if no benefit of the other. > > Politics is one of the few areas where bashing the competition > is rampant. Otherwise most advertising is focused on the > positives of the product. Of course politicians in general are > well loved because of their bashing! Fair and open competition in the market place will be best encouraged at the government level, as demonstrated by this most recent action by the European Union: http://www.siia.net/press/releases/govt_09_17_2007.pdf Statement of the Software & Information Industry Association (SIIA) On Today's Judgement by the European Court of First Instance /Washington, DC (Septement 17, 2007)/ - Following today's judgment by the Court of First Instance (CFI) in Luxembourg, confirming in large part the conclusions of the European Commission in March 2004 that Microsoft violated competition laws, Ken Wasch, President of the Software and Information Industry Association (SIIA), issued the following statement: "Today's judgment by the European appeals court is a victory for innovators and consumers everywhere. With this action, the only option left for Microsoft is to immediately cooperate and fulfill the requirements of the March 2004 Decision." More than three years ago, the Commission found through an open and transparent process that Microsoft had abused its dominant position. Almost three years ago, the European Court of First Instance rejected Microsoft's request to have the Decision suspended pending resolution of its appeal. "After one of the most thorough investigations in the history of competition law, spanning over 7 years, the Commission has taken a steady and decisive course. We applaud the leadership and persistence of the European Commission, Commissioner Kroes, former Commissioner Monti and their officials," Wasch continued. This regarded opening the CFS/SMB network protocols that Microsoft has made increasingly difficult for competitors to utilize, which Microsoft failed to appropriately document. It also regards the unbundling of Windows Media Player. Next, IMHO will be the complete unbundling of Windows Operating systems with hardware vendors. -- HPT
Guest llanalott@yahoo.com Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: > "people use what they are given." > Yes, but they also use what they choose to purchase. > > There have always been options and the sorry excuse "predatory > marketing" has been overused to explain what it can't because it is > false. > > "the consumer had NO CHOICE" > And perhaps it is this FALSE belief that has contributed to the > stagnant growth of Linux. Well I think people just don't know what Linux is. They stay on the safe path. Change is difficult. However Linux is generally free so I assume the Computer companies think that they will miss out on some profits. I mean I assume they do make money off Windows as the default OS on their computers they sell.
Guest DanS Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. llanalott@yahoo.com wrote in news:1191740625.237951.140250@ 22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com: > Well I think people just don't know what Linux is. They stay on the > safe path. Change is difficult. > However Linux is generally free so I assume the Computer companies > think that they will miss > out on some profits. I mean I assume they do make money off Windows as > the default OS > on their computers they sell. How can the be missing out on profits....take Dell for example..... Yes, you can get Ubuntu pre-installed, but the system actually cost like $20 or $30 more than if it had Vista. AND, Dell, while they will sell you the pre-installed Unubtu system, they say outright they offer no support for it. Sounds like a great deal for Dell if you ask me.....they don't pay for an OEM version of Windows (save $$), will not provide support (save more $$), and then charge more for the system (make more $$).
Guest sittingduck Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote: > Instead of making excuses and bashing Microsoft, Linux would be better > served by the users promoting their benefits instead of the > competitions liabilities. > When the competitions liabilities are the focus it seems clear that > there is little if no benefit of the other. > > Politics is one of the few areas where bashing the competition is > rampant. Don't forget religion. -- http://improve-usenet.org
Guest chrisv Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Rick wrote: >> If it works so great, why are so few people using it? > > Why are you that stupid.. or dishonest? Gosh, you don't suppose it's a troll who has repeated the same idiocy countless times, and had it explained to him countless times?
Guest Rick Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 13:05:00 -0500, chrisv wrote: > Rick wrote: > >>> If it works so great, why are so few people using it? >> >> Why are you that stupid.. or dishonest? > > Gosh, you don't suppose it's a troll who has repeated the same idiocy > countless times, and had it explained to him countless times? mmmmm... could be ... -- Rick
Guest Rich Posted October 7, 2007 Posted October 7, 2007 Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. Re: Linux Just Sucks.. No Wonder So Few Are Using It. > Because, up until a year or so ago, due to Microsoft's predatory marketing > practices, the consumer had NO CHOICE - they were unable to buy a machine > from any of the large vendors with Linux pre-installed. And as we all > know - people use what they are given. The Market isn't political. If people wanted Linux they'd be offered it in a heartbeat. It is not offered because there is NO INTEREST. Dell is trying again. It will end like the last time. Someone muttering at a Monday morning sales meeting, "what the hell did we do that for" ? and ... look! there is that 'we ALL KNOW' phrase again. heh Funny how that always pops up in the place of proofs. I use what I choose. Catchy isn't it? .... and one more thing, about those predatory posting practices? Rich
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