<PING> Bill in Colo.

October 8, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Thanks for the clarification, Bill.

"Bill Watt" wrote:

>

> Not really.... :-)

> But if you know an amateur radio call sign you can get all kinds of

> personal information thru the ARRL and FCC. Name, age, address to

> name some. It's much worse than providing a valid e-mail address in

> a public forum.

>

> Regards,

>

> Bill Watt

>

> On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 21:43:13 -0700, Dan

> <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

>

> >Speaking of security, I find it amusing that everything nowadays seems to be

> >done in the name of security. You don't think a George Orwell 1984 is around

> >the corner do you?

> >

> >"Bill Watt" wrote:

> >

> >> On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:50:15 -0500, "Curt Christianson"

> >> <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote:

> >>

> >> >73,(old ham lingo)

> >>

> >> It's still in use Curt....

> >>

> >> 73's

> >>

> >> KB3J_ ( formerly WB3BM_ )

> >>

> >> Last character of call signs omitted for security.

> >>

> >> Regards,

> >>

> >> Bill Watt

> >>

>

October 8, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey" on this

board.

Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based on

solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as an

art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational background

to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

=======================================================================

"Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

Oh well couple of days late responding.

Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married instead.

Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the utmost

respect and admiration for women.

What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham operator,

and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna theory

has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will always

be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves, and even

then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

Where is you level of expertise in??

73,(old ham lingo)

--

Curt

Windows Support Center

http://www.aumha.org

Practically Nerded,...

http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

October 8, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

news:umWn2iTCIHA.464@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl

> Heh....I got married in May of 1973. It lasted 6 years. Since then

I guess 1973 was a good year <bg>

> I've just had "girlfriends" though the current one has lasted 16 years

> so far, minus a couple of years break a few years back.

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

> http://dts-l.org/

October 8, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:uF1OV4UCIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

| I thought I was the oldie on this group, being born in the 40's.

| So you have (presumably) witnessed even more changes in society than I

have!

| (and I feel many of them ... are not so good, if you know what I

mean).

|

| "We have nothing to fear except fear itself...."

| I'm not so sure about that. :-)

You are right to be suspicious, Colorado! Watch out for sisters-in-law

too!

| Angel wrote:

| > Hi Glee,

| > I got married on June 24, 1950. The Korean War started then. We

were

| > driving somewhere at midnight. We heard about the declared war. I

tell

| > people, " We got married and started a war!.

| >

| > I started dating while in high school also. I never skipped a

grade

| > neither. I left and then returned.

| >

| > Correction: You need to know the date of birth in order to

determine

| > age. ( I do not think my parents would have approved of me having a

date

| > when I was born).

| > I have had dates on my birthday. <s>

| > Angel

| >

| > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

| > news:e$tdkwTCIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| >> Angel,

| >> I was never good at this new math. <eg>

| >> I graduated in '69 and was younger than everyone in my class, but I

never

| >> skipped a grade.

| >> I didn't have a birth date....I didn't start dating till high

school.

| ;-)

| >> --

| >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

| >> http://dts-l.org/

| >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

| >>

| >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

| >> news:O7o3w8RCIHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| >>> Hi Glee,

| >>> I graduated in '71. Really you cannot tell a person's age by

the date

| >>> he/she graduated. I had quit school at an early age and after I

came to

| my

| >>> senses, I went back and graduated HS. You need the birth date.

| >>> Angel

| >>>

| >>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

| >>> news:%23Ob8gsRCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| >>>> '73? Ha....another kid.

| >>>> --

| >>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

| >>>> http://dts-l.org/

| >>>>

| >>>> "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in

message

| >>>> news:%23bsBR9QCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| >>>>> I won't mention my b-date either, but I graduated from HS in

1973!

| >>>>>

| >>>>

| >>>>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

| >>>>> news:urH5OWPCIHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| >>>>>> I have children older than you! I am not telling you my

birth

| date.

| >>>>>> So, don't ask.

| >>>>

| >>>>>>

| >>>>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

| >>>>>> news:97981948-BF90-418F-9972-B82B3740B52A@microsoft.com...

| >>>>>>> Wow, I was not born till middle of 1975 in New York.

|

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

I may take the cake for being the youngest at 32 here in this newsgroup and

in my church I am one of the older guys. LOL!!

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

The unknown has split the thread. <giggle>

"PCR" wrote:

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:uF1OV4UCIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> | I thought I was the oldie on this group, being born in the 40's.

> | So you have (presumably) witnessed even more changes in society than I

> have!

> | (and I feel many of them ... are not so good, if you know what I

> mean).

> |

> | "We have nothing to fear except fear itself...."

> | I'm not so sure about that. :-)

>

> You are right to be suspicious, Colorado! Watch out for sisters-in-law

> too!

>

> | Angel wrote:

> | > Hi Glee,

> | > I got married on June 24, 1950. The Korean War started then. We

> were

> | > driving somewhere at midnight. We heard about the declared war. I

> tell

> | > people, " We got married and started a war!.

> | >

> | > I started dating while in high school also. I never skipped a

> grade

> | > neither. I left and then returned.

> | >

> | > Correction: You need to know the date of birth in order to

> determine

> | > age. ( I do not think my parents would have approved of me having a

> date

> | > when I was born).

> | > I have had dates on my birthday. <s>

> | > Angel

> | >

> | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

> | > news:e$tdkwTCIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | >> Angel,

> | >> I was never good at this new math. <eg>

> | >> I graduated in '69 and was younger than everyone in my class, but I

> never

> | >> skipped a grade.

> | >> I didn't have a birth date....I didn't start dating till high

> school.

> | ;-)

> | >> --

> | >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

> | >> http://dts-l.org/

> | >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

> | >>

> | >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

> | >> news:O7o3w8RCIHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | >>> Hi Glee,

> | >>> I graduated in '71. Really you cannot tell a person's age by

> the date

> | >>> he/she graduated. I had quit school at an early age and after I

> came to

> | my

> | >>> senses, I went back and graduated HS. You need the birth date.

> | >>> Angel

> | >>>

> | >>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

> | >>> news:%23Ob8gsRCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | >>>> '73? Ha....another kid.

> | >>>> --

> | >>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

> | >>>> http://dts-l.org/

> | >>>>

> | >>>> "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in

> message

> | >>>> news:%23bsBR9QCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> | >>>>> I won't mention my b-date either, but I graduated from HS in

> 1973!

> | >>>>>

> | >>>>

> | >>>>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

> | >>>>> news:urH5OWPCIHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> | >>>>>> I have children older than you! I am not telling you my

> birth

> | date.

> | >>>>>> So, don't ask.

> | >>>>

> | >>>>>>

> | >>>>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> | >>>>>> news:97981948-BF90-418F-9972-B82B3740B52A@microsoft.com...

> | >>>>>>> Wow, I was not born till middle of 1975 in New York.

> |

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

bobster wrote:

> Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey" on

this

> board.

>

> Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

>

> Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

> countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

>

> And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based on

> solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as an

> art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

background

> to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

Yup. Ain't it the truth.

> =====================================================

> "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Oh well couple of days late responding.

>

> Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married instead.

> Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the

utmost

> respect and admiration for women.

>

> What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham operator,

> and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

>

> You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

theory

> has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

always

> be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves, and

even

> then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

> waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

>

> Where is you level of expertise in??

>

> 73,(old ham lingo)

>

> --

> Curt

>

> Windows Support Center

> http://www.aumha.org

> Practically Nerded,...

> http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Hi Bill,

"Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:ehE2%23MhCIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> bobster wrote:

> > Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey" on

> this

> > board.

> >

> > Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

> >

> > Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

> > countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

Life is Great!!

Like they say, "you are only as old as you feel and act" I don't feel nor

act that old! No one believes my age neither.

> >

> > And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based on

> > solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as

an

> > art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

> background

> > to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

>

> Yup. Ain't it the truth.

>

Never was a ham operator. I used to get on the CB a lot of evenings after

work. I enjoyed doing so. I have not done that for a long time. The brackets

let loose and my antenna dropped through the roof.. Had to have the hole in

the roof repaired. I still have the CB and wire. What a change! Now I get on

the computer. <G>

Angel

>

> > =====================================================

> > "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > Oh well couple of days late responding.

> >

> > Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married

instead.

> > Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the

> utmost

> > respect and admiration for women.

> >

> > What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham

operator,

> > and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

> >

> > You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

> theory

> > has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

> always

> > be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves, and

> even

> > then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

> > waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

> >

> > Where is you level of expertise in??

> >

> > 73,(old ham lingo)

> >

> > --

> > Curt

> >

> > Windows Support Center

> > http://www.aumha.org

> > Practically Nerded,...

> > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Dan,

You are about 6 months older than my oldest grandchild.

Angel

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:12663DBA-903D-428C-A8E5-2FB223EF8C63@microsoft.com...

> I may take the cake for being the youngest at 32 here in this newsgroup

and

> in my church I am one of the older guys. LOL!!

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Hi, this is a P.S.,

I just read the bobster's entry. We were born the same year!

Angel

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

news:e%23uqBuhCIHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Hi Bill,

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:ehE2%23MhCIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > bobster wrote:

> > > Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey"

on

> > this

> > > board.

> > >

> > > Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

> > >

> > > Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing

the

> > > countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

>

> Life is Great!!

>

> Like they say, "you are only as old as you feel and act" I don't feel nor

> act that old! No one believes my age neither.

> > >

> > > And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based

on

> > > solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as

> an

> > > art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

> > background

> > > to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

> >

> > Yup. Ain't it the truth.

> >

> Never was a ham operator. I used to get on the CB a lot of evenings after

> work. I enjoyed doing so. I have not done that for a long time. The

brackets

> let loose and my antenna dropped through the roof.. Had to have the hole

in

> the roof repaired. I still have the CB and wire. What a change! Now I get

on

> the computer. <G>

>

> Angel

> >

> > > =====================================================

> > > "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > > news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > > Oh well couple of days late responding.

> > >

> > > Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married

> instead.

> > > Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the

> > utmost

> > > respect and admiration for women.

> > >

> > > What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham

> operator,

> > > and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

> > >

> > > You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

> > theory

> > > has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

> > always

> > > be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves,

and

> > even

> > > then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

> > > waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

> > >

> > > Where is you level of expertise in??

> > >

> > > 73,(old ham lingo)

> > >

> > > --

> > > Curt

> > >

> > > Windows Support Center

> > > http://www.aumha.org

> > > Practically Nerded,...

> > > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

> >

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:40:18 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>

wrote:

>Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

>

>Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

>countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

>And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based on

>solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as an

>art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational background

>to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

Right on.

In 1978, in addition to the various ham antennas on a 50 ft rotating

tower, I built a home brew Weather Satellite tracking ground station

and tracked and downloaded live pictures of the earth from 9

orbiting satellites including 3 Russian. For the so called

stationary satellites I made a dish from a TV one. The feed horn

extended on a PVC pipe and was a 2 lb coffee can. The antenna inside

the can was a wire 1 1/2 inches long. It worked well at the 5 watt

transmitted frequency of 1.6 Ghz.

The highlight of the hobby was discovering a secret Russian

satellite and getting written up in Aviation Week and Space

Technology magazine for it.

I am not an antenna expert but I had fun with them.

As long as the subject has been discussed here I thought this may be

interesting.

Regards,

Bill Watt

KB3J_

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

I think your name Angel is really cool. What is your oldest grandchild's

name if you don't mind me being nosy. <grin>

"Angel" wrote:

> Dan,

> You are about 6 months older than my oldest grandchild.

> Angel

>

> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> news:12663DBA-903D-428C-A8E5-2FB223EF8C63@microsoft.com...

> > I may take the cake for being the youngest at 32 here in this newsgroup

> and

> > in my church I am one of the older guys. LOL!!

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Angel wrote:

> Hi Bill,

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:ehE2%23MhCIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

>> bobster wrote:

>>> Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey" on

this

>>> board.

>>>

>>> Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

>>>

>>> Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

>>> countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

>

> Life is Great!!

>

> Like they say, "you are only as old as you feel and act"

Well, yes and no. I think there's a bit more to it than that, if you look

a the world critically and carefully, and really care about the societal

(not technological) changes affecting so many of us today.

From what I've seen of many of these changes in society over the past 5+

decades, I'm just not too impressed - with the major exception of race

relations, of course.

But as for ... personal responsibility, and personal accountability,

nowadays? And perseverance (not just sound bites)? And the plethora of

single parent homes today, and the increasing breakup of the family unit?

Ummm, count me out of "how great it is these days" (sociologically

speaking).

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Hi, Angel. 1930 was a good year! My wife of 57 years was also born in '30.

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

news:eCK9Y2hCIHA.5600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

Hi, this is a P.S.,

I just read the bobster's entry. We were born the same year!

Angel

"Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

news:e%23uqBuhCIHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> Hi Bill,

>

> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> news:ehE2%23MhCIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > bobster wrote:

> > > Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey"

on

> > this

> > > board.

> > >

> > > Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

> > >

> > > Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing

the

> > > countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

>

> Life is Great!!

>

> Like they say, "you are only as old as you feel and act" I don't feel nor

> act that old! No one believes my age neither.

> > >

> > > And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based

on

> > > solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as

> an

> > > art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

> > background

> > > to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

> >

> > Yup. Ain't it the truth.

> >

> Never was a ham operator. I used to get on the CB a lot of evenings after

> work. I enjoyed doing so. I have not done that for a long time. The

brackets

> let loose and my antenna dropped through the roof.. Had to have the hole

in

> the roof repaired. I still have the CB and wire. What a change! Now I get

on

> the computer. <G>

>

> Angel

> >

> > > =====================================================

> > > "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > > news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > > Oh well couple of days late responding.

> > >

> > > Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married

> instead.

> > > Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the

> > utmost

> > > respect and admiration for women.

> > >

> > > What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham

> operator,

> > > and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

> > >

> > > You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

> > theory

> > > has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

> > always

> > > be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves,

and

> > even

> > > then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

> > > waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

> > >

> > > Where is you level of expertise in??

> > >

> > > 73,(old ham lingo)

> > >

> > > --

> > > Curt

> > >

> > > Windows Support Center

> > > http://www.aumha.org

> > > Practically Nerded,...

> > > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

> >

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Good for you, Bill Watt. Sounds like your satellite tracking antenna worked

just fine.

I didn't mean to put down hams. There are many good engineers working in

the aerospace and communications industries who are hams. Many good antenna

designs are arrived at by cut-and-try or by using well established handbook

formulas. The going gets tough when the antenna requirements specify highly

controlled beams with very low sidelobes, steerable phased arrays,

self-adapting arrays, etc. Agencies like NASA, NSC, have very special

antenna needs that can often only be met by application of sophisticated

electromagnetic design principles. Fortunately, much of this can now be

done by using readily available digital design software. The devil is in

the details of knowing how to apply the software.

Keep on hammin'

============================================================================

=========

"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message

news:jqolg3hho62du3s332esvpmr342nl49odm@4ax.com...

On Mon, 8 Oct 2007 12:40:18 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net>

wrote:

>Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

>

>Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

>countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

>And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based on

>solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as an

>art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational background

>to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

Right on.

In 1978, in addition to the various ham antennas on a 50 ft rotating

tower, I built a home brew Weather Satellite tracking ground station

and tracked and downloaded live pictures of the earth from 9

orbiting satellites including 3 Russian. For the so called

stationary satellites I made a dish from a TV one. The feed horn

extended on a PVC pipe and was a 2 lb coffee can. The antenna inside

the can was a wire 1 1/2 inches long. It worked well at the 5 watt

transmitted frequency of 1.6 Ghz.

The highlight of the hobby was discovering a secret Russian

satellite and getting written up in Aviation Week and Space

Technology magazine for it.

I am not an antenna expert but I had fun with them.

As long as the subject has been discussed here I thought this may be

interesting.

Regards,

Bill Watt

KB3J_

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

1928 was a much better year !!!

Galen

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message news:uvmT64jCIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hi, Angel. 1930 was a good year! My wife of 57 years was also born in '30.

>

> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

> news:eCK9Y2hCIHA.5600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Hi, this is a P.S.,

> I just read the bobster's entry. We were born the same year!

> Angel

>

> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

> news:e%23uqBuhCIHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > Hi Bill,

> >

> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> > news:ehE2%23MhCIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > > bobster wrote:

> > > > Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey"

> on

> > > this

> > > > board.

> > > >

> > > > Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

> > > >

> > > > Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing

> the

> > > > countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

> >

> > Life is Great!!

> >

> > Like they say, "you are only as old as you feel and act" I don't feel nor

> > act that old! No one believes my age neither.

> > > >

> > > > And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based

> on

> > > > solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as

> > an

> > > > art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

> > > background

> > > > to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

> > >

> > > Yup. Ain't it the truth.

> > >

> > Never was a ham operator. I used to get on the CB a lot of evenings after

> > work. I enjoyed doing so. I have not done that for a long time. The

> brackets

> > let loose and my antenna dropped through the roof.. Had to have the hole

> in

> > the roof repaired. I still have the CB and wire. What a change! Now I get

> on

> > the computer. <G>

> >

> > Angel

> > >

> > > > =====================================================

> > > > "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

> > > > news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > > > Oh well couple of days late responding.

> > > >

> > > > Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married

> > instead.

> > > > Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the

> > > utmost

> > > > respect and admiration for women.

> > > >

> > > > What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham

> > operator,

> > > > and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

> > > >

> > > > You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

> > > theory

> > > > has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

> > > always

> > > > be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves,

> and

> > > even

> > > > then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

> > > > waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

> > > >

> > > > Where is you level of expertise in??

> > > >

> > > > 73,(old ham lingo)

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Curt

> > > >

> > > > Windows Support Center

> > > > http://www.aumha.org

> > > > Practically Nerded,...

> > > > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

> > >

> >

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Thank heavens none of us was born in that black year, 1929 although my keel

was laid in '29 ;-)

=======================================================================

"Galen Somerville" <galen@surewest.net> wrote in message

news:%23Yi8W$nCIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

1928 was a much better year !!!

Galen

"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

news:uvmT64jCIHA.1164@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Hi, Angel. 1930 was a good year! My wife of 57 years was also born in

'30.

>

> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

> news:eCK9Y2hCIHA.5600@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Hi, this is a P.S.,

> I just read the bobster's entry. We were born the same year!

> Angel

>

> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

> news:e%23uqBuhCIHA.5044@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > Hi Bill,

> >

> > "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

> > news:ehE2%23MhCIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> > > bobster wrote:

> > > > Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey"

> on

> > > this

> > > > board.

> > > >

> > > > Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

> > > >

> > > > Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing

> the

> > > > countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

> >

> > Life is Great!!

> >

> > Like they say, "you are only as old as you feel and act" I don't feel

nor

> > act that old! No one believes my age neither.

> > > >

> > > > And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science

based

> on

> > > > solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only

as

> > an

> > > > art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

> > > background

> > > > to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

> > >

> > > Yup. Ain't it the truth.

> > >

> > Never was a ham operator. I used to get on the CB a lot of evenings

after

> > work. I enjoyed doing so. I have not done that for a long time. The

> brackets

> > let loose and my antenna dropped through the roof.. Had to have the hole

> in

> > the roof repaired. I still have the CB and wire. What a change! Now I

get

> on

> > the computer. <G>

> >

> > Angel

> > >

> > > > =====================================================

> > > > "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in

message

> > > > news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > > > Oh well couple of days late responding.

> > > >

> > > > Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married

> > instead.

> > > > Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have

the

> > > utmost

> > > > respect and admiration for women.

> > > >

> > > > What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham

> > operator,

> > > > and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

> > > >

> > > > You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

> > > theory

> > > > has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

> > > always

> > > > be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves,

> and

> > > even

> > > > then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

> > > > waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

> > > >

> > > > Where is you level of expertise in??

> > > >

> > > > 73,(old ham lingo)

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Curt

> > > >

> > > > Windows Support Center

> > > > http://www.aumha.org

> > > > Practically Nerded,...

> > > > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

> > >

> >

>

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Dan wrote:

| The unknown has split the thread. <giggle>

Maybe so. :-).

| "PCR" wrote:

|

|> "Bill in Co." <not_really_here@earthlink.net> wrote in message

|> news:uF1OV4UCIHA.5752@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> | I thought I was the oldie on this group, being born in the 40's.

|> | So you have (presumably) witnessed even more changes in society

|> | than I have! (and I feel many of them ... are not so good, if you

|> | know what I mean).

|> |

|> | "We have nothing to fear except fear itself...."

|> | I'm not so sure about that. :-)

|>

|> You are right to be suspicious, Colorado! Watch out for

|> sisters-in-law too!

|>

|> | Angel wrote:

|> | > Hi Glee,

|> | > I got married on June 24, 1950. The Korean War started then.

|> | > We were driving somewhere at midnight. We heard about the

|> | > declared war. I tell people, " We got married and started a war!.

|> | >

|> | > I started dating while in high school also. I never skipped

|> | > a grade neither. I left and then returned.

|> | >

|> | > Correction: You need to know the date of birth in order to

|> | > determine age. ( I do not think my parents would have approved

|> | > of me having a date when I was born).

|> | > I have had dates on my birthday. <s>

|> | > Angel

|> | >

|> | > "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

|> | > news:e$tdkwTCIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> | >> Angel,

|> | >> I was never good at this new math. <eg>

|> | >> I graduated in '69 and was younger than everyone in my class,

|> | >> but I never skipped a grade.

|> | >> I didn't have a birth date....I didn't start dating till high

|> | >> school. ;-) --

|> | >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

|> | >> http://dts-l.org/

|> | >> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

|> | >>

|> | >> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

|> | >> news:O7o3w8RCIHA.3884@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> | >>> Hi Glee,

|> | >>> I graduated in '71. Really you cannot tell a person's age

|> | >>> by the date he/she graduated. I had quit school at an early

|> | >>> age and after I came to my senses, I went back and graduated

|> | >>> HS. You need the birth date. Angel

|> | >>>

|> | >>> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message

|> | >>> news:%23Ob8gsRCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> | >>>> '73? Ha....another kid.

|> | >>>> --

|> | >>>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+

|> | >>>> http://dts-l.org/

|> | >>>>

|> | >>>> "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in

|> | >>>> message news:%23bsBR9QCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> | >>>>> I won't mention my b-date either, but I graduated from HS in

|> | >>>>> 1973!

|> | >>>>>

|> | >>>>

|> | >>>>> "Angel" <angel@noway.com> wrote in message

|> | >>>>> news:urH5OWPCIHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> | >>>>>> I have children older than you! I am not telling you my

|> | >>>>>> birth date. So, don't ask.

|> | >>>>

|> | >>>>>>

|> | >>>>>> "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

|> | >>>>>> news:97981948-BF90-418F-9972-B82B3740B52A@microsoft.com...

|> | >>>>>>> Wow, I was not born till middle of 1975 in New York.

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

October 9, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Dan,

YES, you ARE very nosy!!!

I believe in a policy that works on the premise of "a need to know

bases and you do not need to know". One thing I WILL tell you his name is

not Dan!

"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:55F5C09B-8798-4CF3-B4C7-134CB788CB37@microsoft.com...

> I think your name Angel is really cool. What is your oldest grandchild's

> name if you don't mind me being nosy. <grin>

>

> "Angel" wrote:

>

> > Dan,

> > You are about 6 months older than my oldest grandchild.

> > Angel

> >

> > "Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

> > news:12663DBA-903D-428C-A8E5-2FB223EF8C63@microsoft.com...

> > > I may take the cake for being the youngest at 32 here in this

newsgroup

> > and

> > > in my church I am one of the older guys. LOL!!

> >

October 10, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Dan,

Just ask Glee. I'm an "oldster"!

--

HTH,

Curt

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"Dan" <Dan@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:293CC3CA-CEEF-43B7-88DC-4014B48AA472@microsoft.com...

| Man, you got married when I was 1 or less years old!

|

| "Curt Christianson" wrote:

|

| > And many more Rick. Took the plunge in 1976, but realistically, all

little

| > too young.

| >

| > --

| > HTH,

| > Curt

| >

| > Windows Support Center

| > http://www.aumha.org

| > Practically Nerded,...

| > http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

| >

| > "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message

| > news:eibk2KTCIHA.4360@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

| > |

| > | "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

| > | news:%23bsBR9QCIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl

| > | > I won't mention my b-date either, but I graduated from HS in 1973!

| > |

| > | I got married in July of 1973 :)

| > | ..well, that was my first marriage anyway... <g>

| > | The second one was even better, and still going strong <smile>

| > |

| > | Rick

| > |

| > | >

| > | > --

| > | > HTH,

| > | > Curt

| > |

| >

October 10, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Hi Bill,

Nice to meet another ham. My license lapsed,but has apparently never been

re-issued by the FCC. Had the Advanced ticket. I'd like to get the

license back, and the call letters. They were my car license plates too.

I need the ARRL Study books, but can't afford them at the moment. At. one

time, I had their whole collection

--

HTH,

Curt (ex-WBØDOU--1971)Oh, 73!

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message

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| On Sun, 7 Oct 2007 13:24:35 -0500, "Curt Christianson"

| <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote:

|

| >I won't mention my b-date either, but I graduated from HS in 1973!

|

| I graduated from HS in 1941. I was born on 9/11, can't remember the

| year. :-)

|

| 73's

|

| Bill Watt

| KB3J_ WB3BM_

October 10, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Thanks for the note Bill.

I know 73 is still in use, but the average person has no idea some how far

back some of our lingo goes. Even though I'm not licensed at the moment,

I'll always feel like a ham.

--

73 WBØDO~ Perhaps you're correct about the security issues with callsigns.

Curt

Prior Lake, MN

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message

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| On Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:50:15 -0500, "Curt Christianson"

| <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote:

|

| >73,(old ham lingo)

|

| It's still in use Curt....

|

| 73's

|

| KB3J_ ( formerly WB3BM_ )

|

| Last character of call signs omitted for security.

|

| Regards,

|

| Bill Watt

|

October 10, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Bobster, I *do* agree that antenna theory and design is a *highly advanced*

science. Even though I was a ham and tinkerer, I do *know* that what

happens in the lab, almost *never* performs the same in the "real world".

I *have studied antenna theory, and know some, but perhaps not to your

caliber.

Unfortunately, most of us do not use antennas as an isotropic source,but

that sure would make things easier. ;-))

As far as being a science, I find it both one of the most fascinating and

complex sciences at the same time.

Thanks for the input!

--

HTH,

Curt

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"bobster" <fauxie@bogus.net> wrote in message

news:ucNNDQeCIHA.4584@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

| Wow, this seems to have degenerated into a "who is the oldest fogey" on

this

| board.

|

| Well, here is 'ole Bobster's entry:

|

| Born 1930, married 1950, both of us still going strong, terrorizing the

| countryside in our vintage Porsche Carrera Targa. Life is sweet!

|

| And BTW Bill, antenna design is a very highly developed science based on

| solid electromagnetic theory and principles. Those who see it only as an

| art are usually tinkerers or hams who don't have the educational

background

| to understand and apply the fundamentals of the theory.

|

| =======================================================================

| "Curt Christianson" <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote in message

| news:OD8LnRICIHA.1408@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

| Oh well couple of days late responding.

|

| Just curious Bill,I was about to undertake a EE, and got married instead.

| Obviously long-range plans aren't my forte. Just kidding, I have the

utmost

| respect and admiration for women.

|

| What was your main area of discipline? I used to be quite a ham operator,

| and RF still fascinates the heck out of me

|

| You can read *all* the books you want, author them even, but antenna

theory

| has far too many variables to ever relegate it to a science, it will

always

| be any art, unless you start talking Very High Powered Microwaves, and

even

| then you better not has the slightest burr on the inside of the

| waveguide<OMIGOSH>.

|

| Where is you level of expertise in??

|

| 73,(old ham lingo)

|

| --

| Curt

|

| Windows Support Center

| http://www.aumha.org

| Practically Nerded,...

| http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm

|

October 10, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:23:02 -0500, "Curt Christianson"

<curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hi Bill,

>

>Nice to meet another ham. My license lapsed,but has apparently never been

>re-issued by the FCC. Had the Advanced ticket. I'd like to get the

>license back, and the call letters. They were my car license plates too.

I believe if it expired not longer than a year ago you can have it

re-instated. You need to call the FCC -- Amateur Division in

Gettysburg Pa.

I renewed my Advanced Class license recently. I'm not active now but

I keep a 2 meter rig in the car. Get NOAH weather and cut a little

brown wire to a relay in order to receive and transmit to the Public

Service band as well, Police, Street Dept etc when I was on Borough

Council. I guess that's a hack. :-)

73's

KB3J_

Bill Watt

October 10, 2007

Re: <PING> Bill in Colo.

Oh yeah, That's a hack. Congratulations!

--... ...-- -.-

--

HTH,

Curt

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"Bill Watt" <nobwatt@ptd.net> wrote in message

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| On Tue, 9 Oct 2007 21:23:02 -0500, "Curt Christianson"

| <curtchristnsn@NOSPAM.Yahoo.com> wrote:

|

| >Hi Bill,

| >

| >Nice to meet another ham. My license lapsed,but has apparently never

been

| >re-issued by the FCC. Had the Advanced ticket. I'd like to get the

| >license back, and the call letters. They were my car license plates too.

|

| I believe if it expired not longer than a year ago you can have it

| re-instated. You need to call the FCC -- Amateur Division in

| Gettysburg Pa.

|

| I renewed my Advanced Class license recently. I'm not active now but

| I keep a 2 meter rig in the car. Get NOAH weather and cut a little

| brown wire to a relay in order to receive and transmit to the Public

| Service band as well, Police, Street Dept etc when I was on Borough

| Council. I guess that's a hack. :-)

|

| 73's

|

| KB3J_

|

| Bill Watt

|

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