Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

[Guest Bill Blanton]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:%23fvCjRSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> Bill Blanton wrote:

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

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> |> MEB wrote:

> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> | news:OLj7AN3DIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> |> || MEB wrote:

> |>

> |> ...snip[

> |> || | Check the original KB query for additional related issues

> |> || | during install and other failures. Such as:

> |> || | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136416/en-us - Windows does not

> |> || | start normally with bootgui=1 in msdos.sys - winboot.ini present

> |> ||

> |> || I'm looking at it now. Yes-- I knew that: When a Winboot.ini file

> |> || exists, it takes the the place of MSDOS.sys. That is just as

> |> || cquirke always said it would be!

> |> |

> |> | And winboot.sys over-rides io.sys, hence the issues involved with

> |> | the temprary files and an already installed system, or in other

> |> | circumstances.

> |>

> |> Wait a minute-- no! IO.sys is hard-coded into the BPR (Boot Partition

> |> Record). That is how a partition knows how to start booting.

> |> Therefore, the presence of Winboot.sys is very unlikely to cause it

> |> to override IO.sys.

> |

> | The string WINBOOT SYS is also contained in the boot record code.

> | (in addition to IO SYS )

> |

> | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/asm/mbr/MSWIN41.htm#DATA

> |

> | I don't know for a fact, but It may be the boot code that looks for

> | winboot.sys.

> |

> | e.g.

> |

> | If exists winboot.sys

> | then winboot.sys

> | else io.sys

>

> Yow. That didn't occur to me. Yep, that sounds like a possibility. It

> doesn't sound to tough to test for that. I might just rename IO.sys to

> Winboot.sys, create a phony IO.sys-- & see whether I can boot! What do

> you think?

 

Sounds like a reasonable test to me.. ;-)

[Guest PCR]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

Bill Blanton wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:%23fvCjRSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> Bill Blanton wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:%23LW4q8DEIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> MEB wrote:

|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> | news:OLj7AN3DIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> |> || MEB wrote:

|> |>

|> |> ...snip[

|> |> || | Check the original KB query for additional related issues

|> |> || | during install and other failures. Such as:

|> |> || | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136416/en-us - Windows does

|> |> || | not start normally with bootgui=1 in msdos.sys - winboot.ini

|> |> || | present

|> |> ||

|> |> || I'm looking at it now. Yes-- I knew that: When a Winboot.ini

|> |> || file exists, it takes the the place of MSDOS.sys. That is just

|> |> || as cquirke always said it would be!

|> |> |

|> |> | And winboot.sys over-rides io.sys, hence the issues involved

|> |> | with the temprary files and an already installed system, or in

|> |> | other circumstances.

|> |>

|> |> Wait a minute-- no! IO.sys is hard-coded into the BPR (Boot

|> |> Partition Record). That is how a partition knows how to start

|> |> booting. Therefore, the presence of Winboot.sys is very unlikely

|> |> to cause it to override IO.sys.

|> |

|> | The string WINBOOT SYS is also contained in the boot record code.

|> | (in addition to IO SYS )

|> |

|> | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/asm/mbr/MSWIN41.htm#DATA

|> |

|> | I don't know for a fact, but It may be the boot code that looks for

|> | winboot.sys.

|> |

|> | e.g.

|> |

|> | If exists winboot.sys

|> | then winboot.sys

|> | else io.sys

|>

|> Yow. That didn't occur to me. Yep, that sounds like a possibility. It

|> doesn't sound to tough to test for that. I might just rename IO.sys

|> to Winboot.sys, create a phony IO.sys-- & see whether I can boot!

|> What do you think?

|

| Sounds like a reasonable test to me.. ;-)

 

It didn't work! I tried it twice (with & w/o a dummy IO.sys), & each

time Win98SE would not boot with Winboot.sys as a replacement...

 

Invalid System Disk

Replace the disk, & then press any key

 

It was important to have a Startup Diskette on hand, because the above

message came before the Windows Startup Menu (which makes sense).

 

SO... The mystery still is in effect as to why Winboot.sys exists in two

..cab's (PreCopy2.cab & Base5.cab) & each of them is identical to

IO.sys...

 

C:\>FC /b /c C:\IO.sys C:\Windows\Temp\Winboot.sys

Comparing files c:\IO.SYS and C:\Windows\Temp\Winboot.sys

FC: no differences encountered

 

...., but IO.sys, itself is in no .cab. Also, within Winboot.sys is the

name "IO.sys".

[Guest Bill Blanton]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:u%234skwcEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Bill Blanton wrote:

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:%23fvCjRSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> Bill Blanton wrote:

> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> | news:%23LW4q8DEIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> |> |> MEB wrote:

> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> |> |> | news:OLj7AN3DIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> |> |> || MEB wrote:

> |> |>

> |> |> ...snip[

> |> |> || | Check the original KB query for additional related issues

> |> |> || | during install and other failures. Such as:

> |> |> || | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136416/en-us - Windows does

> |> |> || | not start normally with bootgui=1 in msdos.sys - winboot.ini

> |> |> || | present

> |> |> ||

> |> |> || I'm looking at it now. Yes-- I knew that: When a Winboot.ini

> |> |> || file exists, it takes the the place of MSDOS.sys. That is just

> |> |> || as cquirke always said it would be!

> |> |> |

> |> |> | And winboot.sys over-rides io.sys, hence the issues involved

> |> |> | with the temprary files and an already installed system, or in

> |> |> | other circumstances.

> |> |>

> |> |> Wait a minute-- no! IO.sys is hard-coded into the BPR (Boot

> |> |> Partition Record). That is how a partition knows how to start

> |> |> booting. Therefore, the presence of Winboot.sys is very unlikely

> |> |> to cause it to override IO.sys.

> |> |

> |> | The string WINBOOT SYS is also contained in the boot record code.

> |> | (in addition to IO SYS )

> |> |

> |> | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/asm/mbr/MSWIN41.htm#DATA

> |> |

> |> | I don't know for a fact, but It may be the boot code that looks for

> |> | winboot.sys.

> |> |

> |> | e.g.

> |> |

> |> | If exists winboot.sys

> |> | then winboot.sys

> |> | else io.sys

> |>

> |> Yow. That didn't occur to me. Yep, that sounds like a possibility. It

> |> doesn't sound to tough to test for that. I might just rename IO.sys

> |> to Winboot.sys, create a phony IO.sys-- & see whether I can boot!

> |> What do you think?

> |

> | Sounds like a reasonable test to me.. ;-)

>

> It didn't work! I tried it twice (with & w/o a dummy IO.sys), & each

> time Win98SE would not boot with Winboot.sys as a replacement...

>

> Invalid System Disk

> Replace the disk, & then press any key

>

> It was important to have a Startup Diskette on hand, because the above

> message came before the Windows Startup Menu (which makes sense).

 

Yep. And a good thing you know your DOS..

 

> SO... The mystery still is in effect as to why Winboot.sys exists in two

> .cab's (PreCopy2.cab & Base5.cab) & each of them is identical to

> IO.sys...

 

...and why the string is in the boot sector. For that matter why is the

string MSDOS SYS in there?

 

> C:\>FC /b /c C:\IO.sys C:\Windows\Temp\Winboot.sys

> Comparing files c:\IO.SYS and C:\Windows\Temp\Winboot.sys

> FC: no differences encountered

>

> ..., but IO.sys, itself is in no .cab. Also, within Winboot.sys is the

> name "IO.sys".

 

There might be a clue here, but I don't have time to digest it right now.

I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

[Guest BD]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

"Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message

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>

<snip>

> I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

>

Dream on Bill. Dream on. <g>

[Guest PCR]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

Bill Blanton wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:u%234skwcEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

 

....snip

| There might be a clue here, but I don't have time to digest it right

| now.

| I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

 

I have to go too to watch Smallville. But I want Cleveland to win-- JUST

to justify the horrible Yankee loss! Then, I want Colorado to crush

them!

 

I'll get to the rest later or tomorrow.

 

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest Bill Blanton]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

"BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message news:eJJPPNeEIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

> "Bill Blanton" <bblanton@REMOVEmagicnet.net> wrote in message news:%23P0IJDeEIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

> <snip>

>> I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

>>

> Dream on Bill. Dream on. <g>

 

Actually George, I've been a Cubs fan all my life... The Red Sox are my

backup heartbreak ;-)

[Guest Bill Blanton]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

"PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message news:e1CIBZeEIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Bill Blanton wrote:

> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

> | news:u%234skwcEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> ...snip

> | There might be a clue here, but I don't have time to digest it right

> | now.

> | I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

>

> I have to go too to watch Smallville. But I want Cleveland to win-- JUST

> to justify the horrible Yankee loss! Then, I want Colorado to crush

> them!

>

 

I don't think Colorado's that good.. though if they can extend their streak

four more games... ;-/

[Guest PCR]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

Bill Blanton wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:e1CIBZeEIHA.5976@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

|> Bill Blanton wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:u%234skwcEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|>

|> ...snip

|> | There might be a clue here, but I don't have time to digest it

|> | right now.

|> | I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

|>

|> I have to go too to watch Smallville. But I want Cleveland to win--

|> JUST to justify the horrible Yankee loss! Then, I want Colorado to

|> crush them!

|>

|

| I don't think Colorado's that good.. though if they can extend their

| streak

| four more games... ;-/

 

It looks to me they've become an unstoppable force the way they've won

21 of 22 games or something incredible like that. BUT, now that

Cleveland has shown it really was good (& it wasn't just that the

Yankees stunk)-- I'll settle for Boston coming back to beat them 3 in a

row!

 

I've sworn not to watch the Yanks next year for this! (But I swore it

last year too.)

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net

[Guest PCR]

Re: Need a Win 98 Boot Up Disc!

 

Bill Blanton wrote:

| "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

| news:u%234skwcEIHA.3332@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

|> Bill Blanton wrote:

|> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> | news:%23fvCjRSEIHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> Bill Blanton wrote:

|> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> | news:%23LW4q8DEIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

|> |> |> MEB wrote:

|> |> |> | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message

|> |> |> | news:OLj7AN3DIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|> |> |> || MEB wrote:

|> |> |>

|> |> |> ...snip[

|> |> |> || | Check the original KB query for additional related issues

|> |> |> || | during install and other failures. Such as:

|> |> |> || | http://support.microsoft.com/kb/136416/en-us - Windows

|> |> |> || | does not start normally with bootgui=1 in msdos.sys -

|> |> |> || | winboot.ini present

|> |> |> ||

|> |> |> || I'm looking at it now. Yes-- I knew that: When a Winboot.ini

|> |> |> || file exists, it takes the the place of MSDOS.sys. That is

|> |> |> || just as cquirke always said it would be!

|> |> |> |

|> |> |> | And winboot.sys over-rides io.sys, hence the issues involved

|> |> |> | with the temprary files and an already installed system, or

|> |> |> | in other circumstances.

|> |> |>

|> |> |> Wait a minute-- no! IO.sys is hard-coded into the BPR (Boot

|> |> |> Partition Record). That is how a partition knows how to start

|> |> |> booting. Therefore, the presence of Winboot.sys is very

|> |> |> unlikely to cause it to override IO.sys.

|> |> |

|> |> | The string WINBOOT SYS is also contained in the boot record

|> |> | code. (in addition to IO SYS )

|> |> |

|> |> | http://mirror.href.com/thestarman/asm/mbr/MSWIN41.htm#DATA

|> |> |

|> |> | I don't know for a fact, but It may be the boot code that looks

|> |> | for winboot.sys.

|> |> |

|> |> | e.g.

|> |> |

|> |> | If exists winboot.sys

|> |> | then winboot.sys

|> |> | else io.sys

|> |>

|> |> Yow. That didn't occur to me. Yep, that sounds like a

|> |> possibility. It doesn't sound to tough to test for that. I might

|> |> just rename IO.sys to Winboot.sys, create a phony IO.sys-- & see

|> |> whether I can boot! What do you think?

|> |

|> | Sounds like a reasonable test to me.. ;-)

|>

|> It didn't work! I tried it twice (with & w/o a dummy IO.sys), & each

|> time Win98SE would not boot with Winboot.sys as a replacement...

|>

|> Invalid System Disk

|> Replace the disk, & then press any key

|>

|> It was important to have a Startup Diskette on hand, because the

|> above message came before the Windows Startup Menu (which makes

|> sense).

|

| Yep. And a good thing you know your DOS..

|

|

|> SO... The mystery still is in effect as to why Winboot.sys exists in

|> two .cab's (PreCopy2.cab & Base5.cab) & each of them is identical to

|> IO.sys...

|

| ..and why the string is in the boot sector. For that matter why is the

| string MSDOS SYS in there?

 

I'm trying, but can't come up with an answer, except... maybe... can it

be for backward compatibility to some older OS that needed those names

in there? Or, it is just a vestige of what was there even though it

never will be used again?

 

I'll do a little Googling for it & get back if I find something.

 

|> C:\>FC /b /c C:\IO.sys C:\Windows\Temp\Winboot.sys

|> Comparing files c:\IO.SYS and C:\Windows\Temp\Winboot.sys

|> FC: no differences encountered

|>

|> ..., but IO.sys, itself is in no .cab. Also, within Winboot.sys is

|> the name "IO.sys".

|

| There might be a clue here, but I don't have time to digest it right

| now.

| I need to get ready to watch the BoSox's big comeback!

 

Looks like they are winning 2 to 1 in the top of the 5th with a man on

base!

 

 

--

Thanks or Good Luck,

There may be humor in this post, and,

Naturally, you will not sue,

Should things get worse after this,

PCR

pcrrcp@netzero.net