Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

October 8, 2007

HELP!

MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,

or worse, how to get rid of it!

It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

distance, but that's all.

Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

what it is, doesn't work.

The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

Wordpad.

What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

Robert

October 8, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> HELP!

>

> MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,

> or worse, how to get rid of it!

>

> It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

> Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

> anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

> little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

> distance, but that's all.

>

> Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

>

> Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

> what it is, doesn't work.

>

> The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

> Wordpad.

>

> What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

>

> Robert

I suggest that you go to: microsoft.public.word.newusers

Regards,

Emrys Davies.

October 9, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> HELP!

>

> MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,

> or worse, how to get rid of it!

>

> It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

> Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

> anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

> little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

> distance, but that's all.

>

> Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

>

> Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

> what it is, doesn't work.

>

> The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

> Wordpad.

>

> What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

>

> Robert

>

Sounds to me that you are seeing the page separater. It's telling you that the stuff above the line

will be on one page and the stuff below the line on another page.

Galen

October 9, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

Yeah, that makes sense to me Galen.

"Galen Somerville" wrote:

>

> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

> news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> > HELP!

> >

> > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,

> > or worse, how to get rid of it!

> >

> > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

> > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

> > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

> > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

> > distance, but that's all.

> >

> > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

> >

> > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

> > what it is, doesn't work.

> >

> > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

> > Wordpad.

> >

> > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

> >

> > Robert

> >

> Sounds to me that you are seeing the page separater. It's telling you that the stuff above the line

> will be on one page and the stuff below the line on another page.

>

> Galen

>

October 9, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the separator

between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the offending

text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be

associated with.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> HELP!

>

> MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it is,

> or worse, how to get rid of it!

>

> It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

> Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

> anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

> little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

> distance, but that's all.

>

> Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

>

> Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

> what it is, doesn't work.

>

> The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

> Wordpad.

>

> What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

>

> Robert

>

October 9, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message

news:OVWVwYlCIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the

separator

> between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the

offending

> text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be

> associated with.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

> news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> > HELP!

> >

> > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it

is,

> > or worse, how to get rid of it!

> >

> > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

> > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

> > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

> > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

> > distance, but that's all.

> >

> > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

> >

> > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

> > what it is, doesn't work.

> >

> > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

> > Wordpad.

> >

> > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

> >

> > Robert

Robert,

This may do it. Save your work. Hold down Ctrl and press End to go

to the end of the document. Press backspace repeatedly until offending

line disappears.

PS: If you click Show/Hide button you will be able to see the end of

the para. marks at the end of the document. They disappear as you

continue to backspace.

Regards,

Emrys Davies.

October 10, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

On Oct 9, 5:48 am, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote in message

>

> news:OVWVwYlCIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> > You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the

> separator

> > between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the

> offending

> > text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be

> > associated with.

> > --

> > Jeff Richards

> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

> >news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

> > > HELP!

>

> > > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it

> is,

> > > or worse, how to get rid of it!

>

> > > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

> > > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

> > > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

> > > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

> > > distance, but that's all.

>

> > > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

>

> > > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

> > > what it is, doesn't work.

>

> > > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

> > > Wordpad.

>

> > > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

>

> > > Robert

>

> Robert,

>

> This may do it. Save your work. Hold down Ctrl and press End to go

> to the end of the document. Press backspace repeatedly until offending

> line disappears.

>

> PS: If you click Show/Hide button you will be able to see the end of

> the para. marks at the end of the document. They disappear as you

> continue to backspace.

>

> Regards,

> Emrys Davies.- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

Thank you for your replies. You may have identified EXACTLY what it

is. The document has no intentional footnotes in it.

However, even with this in mind, removing the line is proving

elusive.

Using your suggestion of ctrl-end the cursor goes to right above the

line and WILL NOT go below, or onto the line.

Using HELP menu, and selecting help to delete a footnote, I went

through their listed sequence of FIND and REPLACE end and foot marks.

It looked like it was looking for ^e and ^f, but in both cases there

were none in the document.

I can use a HEX Editor and find it, but I don't know what character

string I'm looking for.

Hmmm. I could go page by page through this 98 page document, adding a

single page to my newest copy, until the line suddenly appears!

Is there an easier way to do that? Any idea what I'm looking for?

Robert

October 10, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,

choose one where the line first appears.

Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the

bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the next

page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain the

footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once

identified, the others should be easier to find.

A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a text

file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't

find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192041250.086122.214940@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 9, 5:48 am, "Emrys Davies" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

>> "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote in message

>>

>> news:OVWVwYlCIHA.5280@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> > You have accidentally created a blank footnote. The line is the

>> separator

>> > between the body of the text and the footnote. You can find the

>> offending

>> > text by moving stuff around and seeing what text the line seems to be

>> > associated with.

>> > --

>> > Jeff Richards

>> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>> > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in message

>> >news:1191882858.755284.41260@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...

>> > > HELP!

>>

>> > > MS Word has added a line to my document, and I don't know what it

>> is,

>> > > or worse, how to get rid of it!

>>

>> > > It's a line across the page, placed at the bottom of the page.

>> > > Sometimes on each page. I can't get the cursor to land on it to do

>> > > anything with it. Well, actually I can get the cursor to make a

>> > > little double bar on it, and then move the line up or down a slight

>> > > distance, but that's all.

>>

>> > > Right clicking on it does not tell me what it is.

>>

>> > > Putting the cursor on the line and then right clicking to question

>> > > what it is, doesn't work.

>>

>> > > The line prints, but doesn't show up if I open the same *.doc using

>> > > Wordpad.

>>

>> > > What is this line? How do I get rid of it?

>>

>> > > Robert

>>

>> Robert,

>>

>> This may do it. Save your work. Hold down Ctrl and press End to go

>> to the end of the document. Press backspace repeatedly until offending

>> line disappears.

>>

>> PS: If you click Show/Hide button you will be able to see the end of

>> the para. marks at the end of the document. They disappear as you

>> continue to backspace.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Emrys Davies.- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you for your replies. You may have identified EXACTLY what it

> is. The document has no intentional footnotes in it.

>

> However, even with this in mind, removing the line is proving

> elusive.

>

> Using your suggestion of ctrl-end the cursor goes to right above the

> line and WILL NOT go below, or onto the line.

>

> Using HELP menu, and selecting help to delete a footnote, I went

> through their listed sequence of FIND and REPLACE end and foot marks.

> It looked like it was looking for ^e and ^f, but in both cases there

> were none in the document.

>

> I can use a HEX Editor and find it, but I don't know what character

> string I'm looking for.

>

> Hmmm. I could go page by page through this 98 page document, adding a

> single page to my newest copy, until the line suddenly appears!

>

> Is there an easier way to do that? Any idea what I'm looking for?

>

> Robert

>

October 10, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message news:119204

1250.086122.214940@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...

Robert,

The experts are in: Microsoft.public.word.newusers and I feel

certain that they will quickly talk you through your problem.

Regards,

Emrys Davies.

October 11, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in

news:1192041250.086122.214940@o3g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

<SNIP>

I haven't used Word in years and years, but I believe even that

sorry excuse for a word processor has the "master page" feature

where you can set up "boilerplates". This may be a separate one

for each document or one for the whole 500GB program. I don't

know. I use PageMaker.

Anyway, you MAY have accidentally created something on that

Master Page "boilerplate" and will NEVER get rid of it without

going TO the Master Page and deleting it THERE.

(Some terminology may be inaccurate, I am using PM lingo, but

you get the idea I hope.)

I could be totally off but seeing as this thread is dragging on

and on, I thought I'd add my 2 cents.

October 14, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,

> choose one where the line first appears.

>

> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the

> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the next

> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain the

> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once

> identified, the others should be easier to find.

>

> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a text

> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't

> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

Jeff,

Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a

sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down

to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

removed something, did the line disappear.

I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how

to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

Robert

October 14, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in

news:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

> On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>

> wrote:

>> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple

>> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.

>>

>> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the

>> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the

>> breaks the line will move to the next page and will

>> disappear from the current page. That line will contain

>> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see

>> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /

>> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others

>> should be easier to find.

>>

>> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export

>> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that

>> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f

>> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

>> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support

>> footnotes. --

>> Jeff Richards

>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>

> Jeff,

>

> Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex

> editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,

> now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but

> the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one

> text line at a time, until I was down to the last text

> line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed

> every character in the text line and only when I removed

> the last character, no idea because there was no space, or

> ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when

> the last del stroke removed something, did the line

> disappear.

>

> I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,

> but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the

> text?

>

> Robert

>

Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,

here's another idea.

Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of

your document?

October 14, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

On Oct 14, 2:57 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote innews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

>

> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>

> > wrote:

> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple

> >> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.

>

> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the

> >> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the

> >> breaks the line will move to the next page and will

> >> disappear from the current page. That line will contain

> >> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see

> >> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /

> >> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others

> >> should be easier to find.

>

> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export

> >> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that

> >> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f

> >> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support

> >> footnotes. --

> >> Jeff Richards

> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>

> > Jeff,

>

> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex

> > editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,

> > now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but

> > the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one

> > text line at a time, until I was down to the last text

> > line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed

> > every character in the text line and only when I removed

> > the last character, no idea because there was no space, or

> > ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when

> > the last del stroke removed something, did the line

> > disappear.

>

> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,

> > but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the

> > text?

>

> > Robert

>

> Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,

> here's another idea.

>

> Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of

> your document?- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to follow, so

I couldn't try them out and let you know.

However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:

1) Word is a terrible editor

2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed and is being

used.

Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.

Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the minus key

drawing a line across the page, until the cursor is at the last

character position. You will have a series of articulated dashes

appearing on the screen. The second you hit enter in an attempt to

move the cursor to the next line Word changes the articulated dashes

into a solid line that now has strange characteristic of not ever

being able to put the cursor on that line again.

*IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty text lines

after the drawn line], the line is easy to remove by putting the

cursor at the start of the text line above the drawn line [remember

the cursor will not go to the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn

line disappears with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that

was directly after the drawn line.

*IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing the cursor at

the start of the text line just before the drawn line, hitting the del

key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn line. Instead, the delete function

removes the text line you're on, moves the cursor up one text line,

and the drawn line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'

Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?

Robert

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192401368.554268.63240@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

| On Oct 14, 2:57 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

| > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote

innews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

| >

| > > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>

| > > wrote:

| > >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple

| > >> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.

| >

| > >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the

| > >> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the

| > >> breaks the line will move to the next page and will

| > >> disappear from the current page. That line will contain

| > >> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see

| > >> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /

| > >> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others

| > >> should be easier to find.

| >

| > >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export

| > >> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that

| > >> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f

| > >> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

| > >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support

| > >> footnotes. --

| > >> Jeff Richards

| > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| >

| > > Jeff,

| >

| > > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex

| > > editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,

| > > now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but

| > > the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one

| > > text line at a time, until I was down to the last text

| > > line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed

| > > every character in the text line and only when I removed

| > > the last character, no idea because there was no space, or

| > > ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when

| > > the last del stroke removed something, did the line

| > > disappear.

| >

| > > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,

| > > but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the

| > > text?

| >

| > > Robert

| >

| > Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,

| > here's another idea.

| >

| > Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of

| > your document?- Hide quoted text -

| >

| > - Show quoted text -

|

| I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to follow, so

| I couldn't try them out and let you know.

|

| However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:

| 1) Word is a terrible editor

| 2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed and is being

| used.

|

| Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.

|

| Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the minus key

| drawing a line across the page, until the cursor is at the last

| character position. You will have a series of articulated dashes

| appearing on the screen. The second you hit enter in an attempt to

| move the cursor to the next line Word changes the articulated dashes

| into a solid line that now has strange characteristic of not ever

| being able to put the cursor on that line again.

That is part of the autoformat aspect in Word.

|

| *IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty text lines

| after the drawn line], the line is easy to remove by putting the

| cursor at the start of the text line above the drawn line [remember

| the cursor will not go to the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn

| line disappears with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that

| was directly after the drawn line.

|

| *IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing the cursor at

| the start of the text line just before the drawn line, hitting the del

| key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn line. Instead, the delete function

| removes the text line you're on, moves the cursor up one text line,

| and the drawn line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'

|

| Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?

|

| Robert

|

I think there is a short cut key press to use, but I can't remember what

it is.

If you wish to remove the autoformatted line click Edit > UnDo autoformat -

immediately after it is changed.

If you wish to NOT have a document autoformatted, turn it or parts off by

either:

Format > Autoformat > change the settings on the various tabs

Tools > AutoCorrect > change the settings on the various tabs

Tick what you want or untick all. Autoformat as you type will likely have

what you need.

Might also want to check in Tools > Options > various settings you may want

to change

NOTE: changing any settings will make them the default.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in

news:1192401368.554268.63240@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

<SNIP>

>> Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last

>> post, here's another idea.

>>

>> Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end

>> of your document?- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to

> follow, so I couldn't try them out and let you know.

Sorry. I thought it was pretty obvious what to do.

And I don't have Word installed (Office97 *is* on a CD in the

box marked "dyevyll tools") to give you step by step.

> However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:

> 1) Word is a terrible editor

> 2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed

> and is being used.

TEMPLATE! That's the word. That's what PM calls them but I

didn't know what Word calls them etc.

> Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.

>

> Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the

> minus key drawing a line across the page, until the cursor

> is at the last character position. You will have a series

> of articulated dashes appearing on the screen. The second

> you hit enter in an attempt to move the cursor to the next

> line Word changes the articulated dashes into a solid line

> that now has strange characteristic of not ever being able

> to put the cursor on that line again.

Weird. I could KIND OF understand if it did that with underlines

(shift-dash, or _ ).

Now there's ONE MORE reason not to use that piece of crap! (As

if anyone needed another example).

In all fairness, given the fact that most people do not know

what a tab is (although they MUST have Office installed, sigh),

that MAY not be such a bad idea, and it IS in line with MS's

"make it easy for the clueless" policy.

> *IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty

> text lines after the drawn line], the line is easy to

> remove by putting the cursor at the start of the text line

> above the drawn line [remember the cursor will not go to

> the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn line disappears

> with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that was

> directly after the drawn line.

>

> *IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing

> the cursor at the start of the text line just before the

> drawn line, hitting the del key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn

> line. Instead, the delete function removes the text line

> you're on, moves the cursor up one text line, and the drawn

> line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'

>

> Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?

>

> Robert

Try backspace.

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

What happens if you remove the last character only?

WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker, which

is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a

paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character

following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

>> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,

>> choose one where the line first appears.

>>

>> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the

>> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the

>> next

>> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain

>> the

>> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

>> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once

>> identified, the others should be easier to find.

>>

>> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a

>> text

>> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't

>> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

>> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

>> --

>> Jeff Richards

>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>

> Jeff,

>

> Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

> effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a

> sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

> remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down

> to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

> removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

> last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

> passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

> removed something, did the line disappear.

>

> I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how

> to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

>

> Robert

>

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> What happens if you remove the last character only?

>

> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker, which

> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a

> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character

> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with lines,

> >> choose one where the line first appears.

>

> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the

> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to the

> >> next

> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain

> >> the

> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it. Once

> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.

>

> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a

> >> text

> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You won't

> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

> >> --

> >> Jeff Richards

> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>

> > Jeff,

>

> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a

> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down

> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

> > removed something, did the line disappear.

>

> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how

> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

>

> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

Jeff,

Thank you for your reply.

This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing

autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,

etc

Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called

something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY

abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode

did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete

it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line

after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function

starts backspacing in its deleting process.

Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very

irritating.

Robert

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:%23aOw2AtDIHA.4308@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

|

| "Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

| news:1192401368.554268.63240@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

| | On Oct 14, 2:57 pm, thanatoid <wait...@the.exit.invalid> wrote:

| | > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote

| innews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com:

| | >

| | > > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au>

| | > > wrote:

| | > >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple

| | > >> pages with lines, choose one where the line first appears.

| | >

| | > >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the

| | > >> page, from the bottom up. After inserting one of the

| | > >> breaks the line will move to the next page and will

| | > >> disappear from the current page. That line will contain

| | > >> the footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see

| | > >> where it is. If necessary, turn on all options (Tools /

| | > >> Options / View) to see it. Once identified, the others

| | > >> should be easier to find.

| | >

| | > >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export

| | > >> the text to a text file and paste it back in, but that

| | > >> destroys your formatting. You won't find ^e and ^f

| | > >> because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as WordPad

| | > >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support

| | > >> footnotes. --

| | > >> Jeff Richards

| | > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| | >

| | > > Jeff,

| | >

| | > > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex

| | > > editor's effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole,

| | > > now 110 pages, into a sacrificial copy and removed all but

| | > > the last page. The line remained. I tried removing one

| | > > text line at a time, until I was down to the last text

| | > > line. The drawn in line was still there. I then removed

| | > > every character in the text line and only when I removed

| | > > the last character, no idea because there was no space, or

| | > > ability to go passed that remaining character. Only when

| | > > the last del stroke removed something, did the line

| | > > disappear.

| | >

| | > > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote,

| | > > but still how to get rid of it without deleting all the

| | > > text?

| | >

| | > > Robert

| | >

| | > Even though you apparently paid no attention to my last post,

| | > here's another idea.

| | >

| | > Could you have possibly made an underlined tab at the end of

| | > your document?- Hide quoted text -

| | >

| | > - Show quoted text -

| |

| | I paid attention. But, your reply had no steps of action to follow, so

| | I couldn't try them out and let you know.

| |

| | However, I DID file away two concepts from your reply:

| | 1) Word is a terrible editor

| | 2) There may be a template that was inadvertently changed and is being

| | used.

| |

| | Recent news: I just now found how to make the drawn line.

| |

| | Cursor on first character position of a text line. Hit the minus key

| | drawing a line across the page, until the cursor is at the last

| | character position. You will have a series of articulated dashes

| | appearing on the screen. The second you hit enter in an attempt to

| | move the cursor to the next line Word changes the articulated dashes

| | into a solid line that now has strange characteristic of not ever

| | being able to put the cursor on that line again.

|

| That is part of the autoformat aspect in Word.

|

| |

| | *IF* you can get the cursor passed the line [even empty text lines

| | after the drawn line], the line is easy to remove by putting the

| | cursor at the start of the text line above the drawn line [remember

| | the cursor will not go to the drawn line], hit del key and the drawn

| | line disappears with the cursor properly sitting on the text line that

| | was directly after the drawn line.

| |

| | *IF* there is no text line after the drawn line, placing the cursor at

| | the start of the text line just before the drawn line, hitting the del

| | key DOES NOT REMOVE the drawn line. Instead, the delete function

| | removes the text line you're on, moves the cursor up one text line,

| | and the drawn line follows appropriately and remains 'permanently.'

| |

| | Now, knowing the origin, any ideas how to get rid of it?

| |

| | Robert

| |

|

| I think there is a short cut key press to use, but I can't remember what

| it is.

The short-cut keys are pressing *ctrl-Z* immediately after the autoformat

change.

|

| If you wish to remove the autoformatted line click Edit > UnDo

autoformat -

| immediately after it is changed.

|

| If you wish to NOT have a document autoformatted, turn it or parts off by

| either:

|

| Format > Autoformat > change the settings on the various tabs

| Tools > AutoCorrect > change the settings on the various tabs

|

| Tick what you want or untick all. Autoformat as you type will likely have

| what you need.

|

| Might also want to check in Tools > Options > various settings you may

want

| to change

|

| NOTE: changing any settings will make them the default.

|

| --

| MEB

| ________

|

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

| On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

| > What happens if you remove the last character only?

| >

| > WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker,

which

| > is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a

| > paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character

| > following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

| > --

| > Jeff Richards

| > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

| >

| > > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

| > >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with

lines,

| > >> choose one where the line first appears.

| >

| > >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from

the

| > >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to

the

| > >> next

| > >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will

contain

| > >> the

| > >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

| > >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.

Once

| > >> identified, the others should be easier to find.

| >

| > >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to

a

| > >> text

| > >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You

won't

| > >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as

WordPad

| > >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

| > >> --

| > >> Jeff Richards

| > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| >

| > > Jeff,

| >

| > > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

| > > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a

| > > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

| > > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down

| > > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

| > > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

| > > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

| > > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

| > > removed something, did the line disappear.

| >

| > > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how

| > > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

| >

| > > Robert- Hide quoted text -

| >

| > - Show quoted text -

|

| Jeff,

|

| Thank you for your reply.

|

| This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing

| autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,

| etc

|

| Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called

| something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY

| abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

|

| Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode

| did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

|

| Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete

| it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line

| after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function

| starts backspacing in its deleting process.

|

| Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

|

| But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very

| irritating.

|

| Robert

|

Perhaps you're seeing more because you've pressed the little backwards *P*

on the menu bar [right next to the magnify glass document {document map}

button]. That displays a number of inclusions in the documents not normally

seen.

To remove the line in Word AFTER the document was saved and re-opened and

its at the bottom of the document:

Put the cursor directly above the line, hit the down arrow while holding

shift, right click and delete.

Otherwise, if in the document somewhere, do the same, but include the above

and lower blank space surrounding the line.

You should see the black *boxes* of *highlighted/selected* blank spaces

above and below, which when deleted should remove the line. If no blank

spaces above and below put the cursor at the end of the above line, shift,

select/highlight down to the next beginning line, select delete. Then

reformat the two lines.

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 15, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

Autoformat or templates have nothing to do with your problem. You can't get

to the 'other' side of the line because WORD is placing it beyond the end of

the page. If you can't locate the character that is creating it, look in

the header or footer to see if it's being created there.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

>> What happens if you remove the last character only?

>>

>> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker,

>> which

>> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a

>> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character

>> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

>> --

>> Jeff Richards

>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

>> messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

>> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with

>> >> lines,

>> >> choose one where the line first appears.

>>

>> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the

>> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to

>> >> the

>> >> next

>> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain

>> >> the

>> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

>> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.

>> >> Once

>> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.

>>

>> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a

>> >> text

>> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You

>> >> won't

>> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as

>> >> WordPad

>> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

>> >> --

>> >> Jeff Richards

>> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>>

>> > Jeff,

>>

>> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

>> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a

>> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

>> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down

>> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

>> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

>> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

>> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

>> > removed something, did the line disappear.

>>

>> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how

>> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

>>

>> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Jeff,

>

> Thank you for your reply.

>

> This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing

> autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,

> etc

>

> Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called

> something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY

> abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

>

> Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode

> did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

>

> Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete

> it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line

> after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function

> starts backspacing in its deleting process.

>

> Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

>

> But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very

> irritating.

>

> Robert

>

October 16, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

On Oct 15, 1:44 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> Autoformat or templates have nothing to do with your problem. You can't get

> to the 'other' side of the line because WORD is placing it beyond the end of

> the page. If you can't locate the character that is creating it, look in

> the header or footer to see if it's being created there.

> --

> Jeff Richards

> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in messagenews:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>

> > On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> >> What happens if you remove the last character only?

>

> >> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker,

> >> which

> >> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in a

> >> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible character

> >> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

> >> --

> >> Jeff Richards

> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

> >> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

> >> messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>

> >> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

> >> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with

> >> >> lines,

> >> >> choose one where the line first appears.

>

> >> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from the

> >> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to

> >> >> the

> >> >> next

> >> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will contain

> >> >> the

> >> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is. If

> >> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.

> >> >> Once

> >> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.

>

> >> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text to a

> >> >> text

> >> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You

> >> >> won't

> >> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as

> >> >> WordPad

> >> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support footnotes.

> >> >> --

> >> >> Jeff Richards

> >> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>

> >> > Jeff,

>

> >> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

> >> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into a

> >> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

> >> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was down

> >> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

> >> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

> >> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

> >> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

> >> > removed something, did the line disappear.

>

> >> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still how

> >> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

>

> >> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

>

> >> - Show quoted text -

>

> > Jeff,

>

> > Thank you for your reply.

>

> > This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing

> > autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,

> > etc

>

> > Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called

> > something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY

> > abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

>

> > Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode

> > did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

>

> > Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete

> > it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line

> > after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function

> > starts backspacing in its deleting process.

>

> > Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

>

> > But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very

> > irritating.

>

> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

>

> - Show quoted text -

Thank you both for your replies, however...

First the ability to delete the displayed line. *IF* the display line

is after the cursor [the last line of the document], I can't delete

it. If I shift-down arrow and delete, the delete acts like a

backspace and walks back up the document, but leaves the display line

intact. If I shift-down arrow and right click, I get a menu of cut,

copy, paste etc, upon selecting cut, again the delete is like a

backspace and the display line is left intact.

There is no header, nor footer. Going to view, 'header footer' I can

see both are blank. If I have ONE character left, the display line

stays.

Try yourself. Open Word. Place a series of dashes across the page

until it wordwraps, back up then hit enter to terminate the line. The

line is magically changed by Word from a series of dashes to a solid

line below where the text line was and now cannot be removed.

If you put the dashes in the middle of blank text lines, you'll easily

remove the display line. If you put the dashes as the last text line,

you'll not be able to get rid of it.

Any ideas?

Robert

October 16, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192499014.763187.233850@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

| On Oct 15, 1:44 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

| > Autoformat or templates have nothing to do with your problem. You can't

get

| > to the 'other' side of the line because WORD is placing it beyond the

end of

| > the page. If you can't locate the character that is creating it, look

in

| > the header or footer to see if it's being created there.

| > --

| > Jeff Richards

| > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| > "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

messagenews:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

| >

| > > On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

| > >> What happens if you remove the last character only?

| >

| > >> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph

marker,

| > >> which

| > >> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in

a

| > >> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible

character

| > >> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

| > >> --

| > >> Jeff Richards

| > >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| > >> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

| > >> messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

| >

| > >> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

| > >> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with

| > >> >> lines,

| > >> >> choose one where the line first appears.

| >

| > >> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from

the

| > >> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move

to

| > >> >> the

| > >> >> next

| > >> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will

contain

| > >> >> the

| > >> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is.

If

| > >> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.

| > >> >> Once

| > >> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.

| >

| > >> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text

to a

| > >> >> text

| > >> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You

| > >> >> won't

| > >> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as

| > >> >> WordPad

| > >> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support

footnotes.

| > >> >> --

| > >> >> Jeff Richards

| > >> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

| >

| > >> > Jeff,

| >

| > >> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

| > >> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages,

into a

| > >> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

| > >> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was

down

| > >> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

| > >> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed

the

| > >> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to

go

| > >> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

| > >> > removed something, did the line disappear.

| >

| > >> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still

how

| > >> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

| >

| > >> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

| >

| > >> - Show quoted text -

| >

| > > Jeff,

| >

| > > Thank you for your reply.

| >

| > > This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing

| > > autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,

| > > etc

| >

| > > Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called

| > > something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY

| > > abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

| >

| > > Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode

| > > did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

| >

| > > Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete

| > > it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line

| > > after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function

| > > starts backspacing in its deleting process.

| >

| > > Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

| >

| > > But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very

| > > irritating.

| >

| > > Robert- Hide quoted text -

| >

| > - Show quoted text -

|

| Thank you both for your replies, however...

|

| First the ability to delete the displayed line. *IF* the display line

| is after the cursor [the last line of the document], I can't delete

| it. If I shift-down arrow and delete, the delete acts like a

| backspace and walks back up the document, but leaves the display line

| intact. If I shift-down arrow and right click, I get a menu of cut,

| copy, paste etc, upon selecting cut, again the delete is like a

| backspace and the display line is left intact.

|

| There is no header, nor footer. Going to view, 'header footer' I can

| see both are blank. If I have ONE character left, the display line

| stays.

|

| Try yourself. Open Word. Place a series of dashes across the page

| until it wordwraps, back up then hit enter to terminate the line. The

| line is magically changed by Word from a series of dashes to a solid

| line below where the text line was and now cannot be removed.

Actually I did test it prior to posting. In fact I checked several

different scenarios including NOT ending at the end of the line, leaving

extra on a second line. That also changed to the solid line, but could be

removed.

Might want to check whether the doc is read-only or *protected* [check

Protect Document] and page properties.

|

| If you put the dashes in the middle of blank text lines, you'll easily

| remove the display line. If you put the dashes as the last text line,

| you'll not be able to get rid of it.

|

| Any ideas?

|

| Robert

|

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 16, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

If that's the sort of line it is, then you should be able to put the cursor

at the start, select Format / Borders and Shading and select None.

If it might simply be formatting, use Format / Reveal Formatting to see what

it might be. But with formatting there should be no problem in moving the

cursor beyond the formatted area.

--

Jeff Richards

MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

"Robert A. Macy" <macy@california.com> wrote in message

news:1192499014.763187.233850@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

> On Oct 15, 1:44 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

>> Autoformat or templates have nothing to do with your problem. You can't

>> get

>> to the 'other' side of the line because WORD is placing it beyond the end

>> of

>> the page. If you can't locate the character that is creating it, look in

>> the header or footer to see if it's being created there.

>> --

>> Jeff Richards

>> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

>> messagenews:1192478077.962597.178950@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> > On Oct 15, 2:08 am, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

>> >> What happens if you remove the last character only?

>>

>> >> WORD associates a lot of format information with the paragraph marker,

>> >> which

>> >> is an invisible character immediately following the last character in

>> >> a

>> >> paragraph. If you delete the last character and the invisible

>> >> character

>> >> following it, then much of the paragraph formatting disappears.

>> >> --

>> >> Jeff Richards

>> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>> >> "Robert A. Macy" <m...@california.com> wrote in

>> >> messagenews:1192398510.266260.13060@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...

>>

>> >> > On Oct 10, 1:53 pm, "Jeff Richards" <JRicha...@msn.com.au> wrote:

>> >> >> Find a page with the line on it. If there are multiple pages with

>> >> >> lines,

>> >> >> choose one where the line first appears.

>>

>> >> >> Insert page breaks in front of each line of text on the page, from

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> bottom up. After inserting one of the breaks the line will move to

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> next

>> >> >> page and will disappear from the current page. That line will

>> >> >> contain

>> >> >> the

>> >> >> footnote reference. Examine the line closely to see where it is.

>> >> >> If

>> >> >> necessary, turn on all options (Tools / Options / View) to see it.

>> >> >> Once

>> >> >> identified, the others should be easier to find.

>>

>> >> >> A hex editor is no use. As a last resort you can export the text

>> >> >> to a

>> >> >> text

>> >> >> file and paste it back in, but that destroys your formatting. You

>> >> >> won't

>> >> >> find ^e and ^f because the footnote is empty. Saving the file as

>> >> >> WordPad

>> >> >> and then importing it may work, if WordPad doesn't support

>> >> >> footnotes.

>> >> >> --

>> >> >> Jeff Richards

>> >> >> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)

>>

>> >> > Jeff,

>>

>> >> > Thank you for your reply. You're right about the hex editor's

>> >> > effectiveness. To expedite, I copied the whole, now 110 pages, into

>> >> > a

>> >> > sacrificial copy and removed all but the last page. The line

>> >> > remained. I tried removing one text line at a time, until I was

>> >> > down

>> >> > to the last text line. The drawn in line was still there. I then

>> >> > removed every character in the text line and only when I removed the

>> >> > last character, no idea because there was no space, or ability to go

>> >> > passed that remaining character. Only when the last del stroke

>> >> > removed something, did the line disappear.

>>

>> >> > I think you're right. It must be some kind of footnote, but still

>> >> > how

>> >> > to get rid of it without deleting all the text?

>>

>> >> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> >> - Show quoted text -

>>

>> > Jeff,

>>

>> > Thank you for your reply.

>>

>> > This is a real problem since the line is already here, so changing

>> > autoformat is too late, like shutting doors after animals escaping,

>> > etc

>>

>> > Oddly, in the normal way I use Word the display type is called

>> > something else, and the view mode called 'normal' by Word is VERY

>> > abnormal, containing many, many [normally] unseen characters.

>>

>> > Perhaps, one of the other view modes will work. I know 'normal' mode

>> > did not show anything to delete, it does show page breaks etc.

>>

>> > Problem is that I can't get to the 'other' side of the line to delete

>> > it. Everytime I try to delete the line when there is no text line

>> > after this displayed line, it won't. Instead, Word's delete function

>> > starts backspacing in its deleting process.

>>

>> > Maybe try each 'view' mode will show something.

>>

>> > But must tell you, this 'added' feature is NO feature and very

>> > irritating.

>>

>> > Robert- Hide quoted text -

>>

>> - Show quoted text -

>

> Thank you both for your replies, however...

>

> First the ability to delete the displayed line. *IF* the display line

> is after the cursor [the last line of the document], I can't delete

> it. If I shift-down arrow and delete, the delete acts like a

> backspace and walks back up the document, but leaves the display line

> intact. If I shift-down arrow and right click, I get a menu of cut,

> copy, paste etc, upon selecting cut, again the delete is like a

> backspace and the display line is left intact.

>

> There is no header, nor footer. Going to view, 'header footer' I can

> see both are blank. If I have ONE character left, the display line

> stays.

>

> Try yourself. Open Word. Place a series of dashes across the page

> until it wordwraps, back up then hit enter to terminate the line. The

> line is magically changed by Word from a series of dashes to a solid

> line below where the text line was and now cannot be removed.

>

> If you put the dashes in the middle of blank text lines, you'll easily

> remove the display line. If you put the dashes as the last text line,

> you'll not be able to get rid of it.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Robert

>

October 16, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

Well, I must apologize, I duplicated your issue, but ONLY if I deleted the

automatic drop to the new line after autoformat.

Sorry. You did indicate there was nothing below the line.

What I find weird is that the original failure [text, line with deleted

lower line, unable to delete line] was changed to rtf [unable to delete],

saved and closed, open rft [unable to delete], saved as txt [gone

obviously], close, re-open original doc, and it deleted. Go back to the rtf,

and it deleted.

Second test with ONLY a paragraph marker and the line: same thing. First

unable to delete, mess around with other saved formats of the same file,

close Word, re-open the doc, it then deleted from the original doc, and from

the original failure.

That makes little sense unless something is cleared from memory/cache or

something. So I am out of ideas for your document . . .

Can you hover over the line, wait for the two *fingers* and move/drag it

lower, I could ... ?

--

MEB

http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

________

October 20, 2007

Re: Slightly OT, but need help with MS Word on Win98!

On Oct 16, 3:20 am, "MEB" <meb@not h...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Well, I must apologize, I duplicated your issue, but ONLY if I deleted the

> automatic drop to the new line after autoformat.

>

> Sorry. You did indicate there was nothing below the line.

>

> What I find weird is that the original failure [text, line with deleted

> lower line, unable to delete line] was changed to rtf [unable to delete],

> saved and closed, open rft [unable to delete], saved as txt [gone

> obviously], close, re-open original doc, and it deleted. Go back to the rtf,

> and it deleted.

>

> Second test with ONLY a paragraph marker and the line: same thing. First

> unable to delete, mess around with other saved formats of the same file,

> close Word, re-open the doc, it then deleted from the original doc, and from

> the original failure.

>

> That makes little sense unless something is cleared from memory/cache or

> something. So I am out of ideas for your document . . .

>

> Can you hover over the line, wait for the two *fingers* and move/drag it

> lower, I could ... ?

>

> --

> MEBhttp://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com

> ________

Thanks for your efforts. I tried some more things. Well, the line is

still here.

If the display line is the last line in the document, I have not been

able to get rid of it.

I have resolved the 'backspace' effect. If each line contains text

and I'm at the end of the last line of text, just above the display

line, then hitting delete does nothing. Only if the above text lines

are blank, does Word walk its way backwards, like backspace. OK,

that's resolved.

But, the display line stays.

If I put the cursor on the display line, the cursor splits into an

equals sign, or a pair of lines, that allow me to position the display

line at the top or at the bottom of a text line range. But I cannot

add any lines after the display line. Thus, can't delete it.

Right now operating on the display line to remove it is my only

option. Operating on the whole document is not an option. Although

scooping and saving or saving in various formats would work. Just not

an option at this time. May have to wait until document is done and

then remove the line.

It's just irritating that anything so uncontrolled can occur.

Robert

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