Guest Franc Zabkar Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 17:14:17 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >On Thu, 18 Oct 2007 15:02:52 +0200, a <a@libero.it> put finger to >keyboard and composed: > >> >>> >>>You SHOULD put the check into that box! Then, Explorer will show the >>>actual name, unchanged-- capitals & lower case, whatever is really >>>there! >> >> >>no, no, my situation is different >> >>That checkbox changes hallo.txt in HALLO.TXT >>and I don't need it > >This behaviour suggests to me that the original XP file name is >written to the XP hard disc as all caps, not lowercase. Another way to verify the actual case of the file names is to type the following in a Windows DOS box: dir d:\ /b /s /p where d: is the drive letter of your HD or pen drive. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest Buffalo Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units thanatoid wrote: [snip] > (BTW I am not interested, I just like being annoying.) I would rather be annoyed, than-a-toid; smelly,decaying, and disgusting? :) See any humor in that.
Guest MEB Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I would be the 9X test bed for it. BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to GEODISK. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message news:uSR4YEhEIHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Interesting. I'll put it on a 98 system tomorrow and see why. The ANSI | version should have fixed it. Have you tried it on an XP box? I had no | trouble and I tested it at least a dozen times. | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:O6qWKzgEIHA.3916@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... | > hmm, still get the same error .. version 4.10.2222 kernel32.dll. | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > ________ | > | > | > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message | > news:%233PSRBgEIHA.5980@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:eq4LygfEIHA.5160@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message | > | > news:us65aIfEIHA.280@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:eS2zmkeEIHA.3980@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > Before this degrades into a um, whatever, how about *I* ask for | > it.... | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > MEB | > | > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > | > ________ | > | > | No problem | > | > | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCas.zip | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > Thank you, that's much appreciated. | > | > | > | > Interesting code, was it compiled on/for XP? I get a "linked to | > missing | > | > export KERNEL32.DLL, GetProcessIoCounters" in WinSE.. noted the | > reference | > | > to | > | > uxtheme [among others] in the file. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB | > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > ________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | Here is the link for the ANSI version | > | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip | > | | > | BD | > | | > | | > | > | |
Guest BD Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I would > be > the 9X test bed for it. > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to GEODISK. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ You can Email those GEODisk questions to me. It looks like the current problem is compiler related nothing to do with my code. I have a Beta version of it loaded so I'll back up a couple of versions and see what happens. I'll let you know when. BD
Guest thanatoid Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units "Buffalo" <Eric@nada.com.invalid> wrote in news:9aydne8r1LFiJIXanZ2dnUVZ_oSnnZ2d@comcast.com: > thanatoid wrote: > [snip] > >> (BTW I am not interested, I just like being annoying.) > > I would rather be annoyed, than-a-toid; smelly,decaying, > and disgusting? :) See any humor in that. I never said a thanatoid is a thing to love and admire, let alone smell at close distance. -- Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista on any computer in the world.
Guest a - MORE TESTS Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units To everyone. I did more tests. As told I have several HD and several Operative System Tried XP and XP (another) : no problem Tried WMe and W98 : no problem Tried W2000 and W98 : problem (the same as XP and W98) So the problem is (XP and W2000) + W98 Continued test with XP (forgot W2000). Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: - Floppy - Same HD where XP lies - Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition - HD where W98 lies - HD wher W98 lies, but different partition - Pen Drive All the 6 cases had the problem. The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" file from DOS (the W98 DOS); I tried dir c:\ /b /s /p and I had displayed on the black screen "HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" I have XP sp2 witn no NTFS I have W98SE with FAT 32 Logged on XP there is no problem (never). Logged on W98 there is the problem (ever). If I log in W98 and manually un-capitalize "Hallo.txt" in "hallo.txt" the problem is always solved, but want the two OSes work proprerly they own.
Guest BD Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units "a - MORE TESTS" <a@libero.it> wrote in message news:foqhh3p9ck01o8h0b4joi9adu3hfhplvb1@4ax.com... > To everyone. > > I did more tests. > > As told I have several HD and several Operative System > > Tried XP and XP (another) : no problem > Tried WMe and W98 : no problem > Tried W2000 and W98 : problem (the same as XP and W98) > > So the problem is (XP and W2000) + W98 > > Continued test with XP (forgot W2000). > > Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: > - Floppy > - Same HD where XP lies > - Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition > - HD where W98 lies > - HD wher W98 lies, but different partition > - Pen Drive > > All the 6 cases had the problem. > > The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer > The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. > > > Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" > file from DOS (the W98 DOS); > I tried > dir c:\ /b /s /p > and I had displayed on the black screen > "HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" > > > I have XP sp2 witn no NTFS > I have W98SE with FAT 32 > > Logged on XP there is no problem (never). > Logged on W98 there is the problem (ever). > > If I log in W98 and manually un-capitalize "Hallo.txt" in "hallo.txt" > the problem is always solved, > but want the two OSes work proprerly they own. Just out of curiosity. Is it the server that won't accept uppercase? That is really strange if that's the case. What are you using to FTP your files to the server? BD
Guest BD Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I would > be > the 9X test bed for it. > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to GEODISK. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ I recompiled using a different version of the compiler. Hope it's right now. The bug has been fixed in the next compiler release but it's not available yet. Also I asked on the developer forum and we are starting to think that 98 may not support all lower case. Several people are playing with it right now to find out. http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip For safety make sure that you just run this against test files. Example Create a folder on your desktop named Test Create a few files named Test.txt, Test2.txt, Test3.txt etc. Run the app against that folder. BD
Guest MEB Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message news:uNczeSoEIHA.5856@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I would | > be | > the 9X test bed for it. | > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to GEODISK. | > | > -- | > MEB | > ________ | I recompiled using a different version of the compiler. Hope it's right now. | The bug has been fixed in the next compiler release but it's not available | yet. Also I asked on the developer forum and we are starting to think that | 98 may not support all lower case. Several people are playing with it right | now to find out. | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip Well, my web site, retained locally, has upper and lower case files [and mixed], so 98 does support lower case. Moreover, I have hundreds of lower or mixed case files elsewhere. For instance, the files I have been dowloading from you have a capital, whereas most of my files and directories are lower case. IMO, Since the NT file structure in XP is not held the same as in DOS/9X/Fat, and handled via the ntfs driver upon creation, the *hook* to Fat32 apparently retains the [original] MSDOS naming structure. IIRC, Seems we did several lengthy discussions in here related to comparing those structures, and posted [by various parties] several dozen KBs and other materials during those discussions. Regretfully, that newer file version also creates the same error. | | For safety make sure that you just run this against test files. | Example | Create a folder on your desktop named Test | Create a few files named Test.txt, Test2.txt, Test3.txt etc. | Run the app against that folder. | | BD | | I'll have to go back to the site for your email addy, though I think I tried that before and received no answer. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________
Guest BD Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units geog AT mvps DOT org I'll watch for it and then send you a safer address. Otherwise I just remove all incoming mail from that account. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:OyFva4oEIHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > > > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message > news:uNczeSoEIHA.5856@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I > would > | > be > | > the 9X test bed for it. > | > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to > GEODISK. > | > > | > -- > | > MEB > | > ________ > | I recompiled using a different version of the compiler. Hope it's right > now. > | The bug has been fixed in the next compiler release but it's not > available > | yet. Also I asked on the developer forum and we are starting to think > that > | 98 may not support all lower case. Several people are playing with it > right > | now to find out. > | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip > > Well, my web site, retained locally, has upper and lower case files [and > mixed], so 98 does support lower case. > Moreover, I have hundreds of lower or mixed case files elsewhere. For > instance, the files I have been dowloading from you have a capital, > whereas > most of my files and directories are lower case. > > IMO, Since the NT file structure in XP is not held the same as in > DOS/9X/Fat, and handled via the ntfs driver upon creation, the *hook* to > Fat32 apparently retains the [original] MSDOS naming structure. IIRC, > Seems > we did several lengthy discussions in here related to comparing those > structures, and posted [by various parties] several dozen KBs and other > materials during those discussions. > > Regretfully, that newer file version also creates the same error. > > | > | For safety make sure that you just run this against test files. > | Example > | Create a folder on your desktop named Test > | Create a few files named Test.txt, Test2.txt, Test3.txt etc. > | Run the app against that folder. > | > | BD > | > | > > I'll have to go back to the site for your email addy, though I think I > tried that before and received no answer. > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ > > >
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:39:55 +0200, a - MORE TESTS <a@libero.it> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: >- Floppy >- Same HD where XP lies >- Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition >- HD where W98 lies >- HD wher W98 lies, but different partition >- Pen Drive > >All the 6 cases had the problem. > >The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer >The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. > > >Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >file from DOS (the W98 DOS); >I tried >dir c:\ /b /s /p >and I had displayed on the black screen >"HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" I believe your test proves that it is your XP application that is creating uppercase 8.3 file names. It doesn't appear to be a case translation issue on your Win98 box. You can save us all a lot of time and verify this beyond doubt by using Debug to look at the directory structure on your floppy diskette. To force XP to display the file name in its original case, follow this procedure: Force Explorer to Display Correct Filename Capitalization: http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-101 - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest a Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:54:16 -0700, "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote: >"a - MORE TESTS" <a@libero.it> wrote in message >news:foqhh3p9ck01o8h0b4joi9adu3hfhplvb1@4ax.com... >> To everyone. >> >> I did more tests. >> >> As told I have several HD and several Operative System >> >> Tried XP and XP (another) : no problem >> Tried WMe and W98 : no problem >> Tried W2000 and W98 : problem (the same as XP and W98) >> >> So the problem is (XP and W2000) + W98 >> >> Continued test with XP (forgot W2000). >> >> Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: >> - Floppy >> - Same HD where XP lies >> - Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition >> - HD where W98 lies >> - HD wher W98 lies, but different partition >> - Pen Drive >> >> All the 6 cases had the problem. >> >> The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer >> The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. >> >> >> Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >> file from DOS (the W98 DOS); >> I tried >> dir c:\ /b /s /p >> and I had displayed on the black screen >> "HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >> >> >> I have XP sp2 witn no NTFS >> I have W98SE with FAT 32 >> >> Logged on XP there is no problem (never). >> Logged on W98 there is the problem (ever). >> >> If I log in W98 and manually un-capitalize "Hallo.txt" in "hallo.txt" >> the problem is always solved, >> but want the two OSes work proprerly they own. > >Just out of curiosity. Is it the server that won't accept uppercase? That >is really strange if that's the case. What are you using to FTP your files >to the server? My hosting company is Libero-Infostrada The hosting service is free The rules I accepted say no uppercase are allowed. I ftp with 'CuteFTP' If I ftp Hallo.htm the file is uploaded, but if i call it from the browser, the browser say File Not Found
Guest PCR Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units Franc Zabkar wrote: | On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:39:55 +0200, a - MORE TESTS <a@libero.it> put | finger to keyboard and composed: | |>Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: |>- Floppy |>- Same HD where XP lies |>- Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition |>- HD where W98 lies |>- HD wher W98 lies, but different partition |>- Pen Drive |> |>All the 6 cases had the problem. |> |>The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer |>The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. |> |> |>Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" |>file from DOS (the W98 DOS); |>I tried |>dir c:\ /b /s /p |>and I had displayed on the black screen |>"HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" | | I believe your test proves that it is your XP application that is | creating uppercase 8.3 file names. I've ruled that out as a possibility, because I believe he said the name will continue to be lower-case when viewed in XP-- even after it has begun to be capitalized in Win98... news:3nleh3djm606off750d08rrrs1j9581hqn@4ax.com | Note: | Logged again in XP , in Explorer , it is regularly | shown as hallo.txt I'm thinking... Explorer in Win98 won't show true capitalization of a file name, if all it has is a SFN (Short File Name). It presumes the SFN is all capitals, because a Real DOS name always would be. XP is putting the right case in there-- but not creating a LFN for it! I guess it just doesn't consider a lower-case letter to be reason enough for it! (But Win98 does consider it reason enough.) | It doesn't appear to be a case | translation issue on your Win98 box. You can save us all a lot of time | and verify this beyond doubt by using Debug to look at the directory | structure on your floppy diskette. I think he WILL find the case to be correct in the SFN field-- & the LFN field will be empty! | To force XP to display the file name in its original case, follow this | procedure: | | Force Explorer to Display Correct Filename Capitalization: | http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-101 It is important to do as that article says! But I think it won't get Explorer to show the true capitalization of a name-- UNLESS it is in the LFN area. If only Blanton could remember what he came up with the last time this issue arose! | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest thanatoid Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units a <a@libero.it> wrote in news:ce9ih3pjm9ab7nunpklfh10al1qeaio7bg@4ax.com: > On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:54:16 -0700, "BD" > <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote: > >>"a - MORE TESTS" <a@libero.it> wrote in message >>news:foqhh3p9ck01o8h0b4joi9adu3hfhplvb1@4ax.com... >>> To everyone. >>> >>> I did more tests. >>> >>> As told I have several HD and several Operative System >>> >>> Tried XP and XP (another) : no problem >>> Tried WMe and W98 : no problem >>> Tried W2000 and W98 : problem (the same as XP and W98) >>> >>> So the problem is (XP and W2000) + W98 >>> >>> Continued test with XP (forgot W2000). >>> >>> Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: >>> - Floppy >>> - Same HD where XP lies >>> - Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition >>> - HD where W98 lies >>> - HD wher W98 lies, but different partition >>> - Pen Drive >>> >>> All the 6 cases had the problem. >>> >>> The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer >>> The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more >>> longer. >>> >>> >>> Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and >>> "halloverylongfortesting.txt" file from DOS (the W98 >>> DOS); I tried >>> dir c:\ /b /s /p >>> and I had displayed on the black screen >>> "HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >>> >>> >>> I have XP sp2 witn no NTFS >>> I have W98SE with FAT 32 >>> >>> Logged on XP there is no problem (never). >>> Logged on W98 there is the problem (ever). >>> >>> If I log in W98 and manually un-capitalize "Hallo.txt" >>> in "hallo.txt" the problem is always solved, >>> but want the two OSes work proprerly they own. >> >>Just out of curiosity. Is it the server that won't accept >>uppercase? That is really strange if that's the case. >>What are you using to FTP your files to the server? > > My hosting company is Libero-Infostrada > The hosting service is free > The rules I accepted say no uppercase are allowed. > I ftp with 'CuteFTP' > If I ftp Hallo.htm the file is uploaded, but if i call > it from the browser, the browser say File Not Found > > You get what you pay for. Sometimes. In this case, it appears the saying applies. -- Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista on any computer in the world.
Guest PCR Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units thanatoid wrote: | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in | news:uhdOy#fEIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl: ....snip (I know it by heart)... | <NOT SNIPPED FOR THE REQUIRED EFFECT> | | Heaven help us all. Treble the thickness of your tinfoil hat in XP/Vista threads! | -- | Waiting for the day when it is illegal to use anything but Vista | on any computer in the world. -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest a Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:03:53 +1000, Franc Zabkar <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote: >On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:39:55 +0200, a - MORE TESTS <a@libero.it> put >finger to keyboard and composed: > >>Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: >>- Floppy >>- Same HD where XP lies >>- Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition >>- HD where W98 lies >>- HD wher W98 lies, but different partition >>- Pen Drive >> >>All the 6 cases had the problem. >> >>The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer >>The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. >> >> >>Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >>file from DOS (the W98 DOS); >>I tried >>dir c:\ /b /s /p >>and I had displayed on the black screen >>"HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" > >I believe your test proves that it is your XP application that is >creating uppercase 8.3 file names. It doesn't appear to be a case >translation issue on your Win98 box. You can save us all a lot of time >and verify this beyond doubt by using Debug to look at the directory >structure on your floppy diskette. > >To force XP to display the file name in its original case, follow this >procedure: > >Force Explorer to Display Correct Filename Capitalization: > http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-101 > >- Franc Zabkar i tried the debug -L 100 0 13 1 -D 100 -Q with notepad I created the short "hallo.txt" and then the long "abccccccdef.txt" I dumped with Dos from the XP box the two cases ang got these screenshots: http://www.zshare.net/image/43255032d60f26/ 26 kb note I dumped with pure Dos on W98 the first case and obtained the same result of the first previous one note I also created a short file "buon.zip" with WinZip then dumped and got B. T7...... UON ZIP I also created a short "ciao.htm" file with Firefox then dumped and got T7.... IAO HTM
Guest PCR Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units Roxana wrote: | I will attend to this one tomorrow evening PCR. I promise. I have a | very long day tomorrow which starts very -OMG, it's late !!! - | early. Thanks. You are welcome. Mainly, I want to know for sure whether it happens to LFNs as well as SFNs. (I think it does not.) A SFN is one in the 8.3 format, like FILENAME.TXT-- with no lower-case letters or spaces or certain other special characters. In Win98, I'm thinking, putting lower-case letters into it -- FileName.txt-- will trigger a LFN to be created. And I think that is not triggered when the SFN is created in WinXP. XP will just put the lower-case letters inside the SFN itself. Win98 won't see them there, I think. | Roxana (making this PCR one as *unread*) | "PCR" <pcrrcp@netzero.net> wrote in message | news:uhdOy%23fEIHA.4880@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | <snipped> -- Thanks or Good Luck, There may be humor in this post, and, Naturally, you will not sue, Should things get worse after this, PCR pcrrcp@netzero.net
Guest a Posted October 19, 2007 Posted October 19, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units in the case someone forgot the problem, I repeat the problem ---------------- I boot on XP I create "hallo.txt" with Notepad (or onther type of file with Winzip, Firefox...) on the XP drive then I boot on W98 and that file in Explorer is shown as "Hallo.txt" boot back in Xp it is ok (always) boot again in W98 it is wrong (always) I don't want the first letter capitalized If , booted in W98, I manually rename the first letter, uncapitalizing it, the problem is solved. note: if the name is longer then 8 (eg: halllotoeveryone.txt) the problem doesn't occur -------------------------
Guest PA Bear Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units BD wrote: >> You can run (away to sea), but you can't hide from us, Dundat! Howzaguy, >> anyway? (glee squealed on you) >> -- > ...Standby for incoming but it > will probably be tomorrow. If you try to send me mail use the bindar > account. If it goes to geog it will probably end up being destroyed. I'm > just starting to build a white list for that account that will solve the > problem. Same addy as in the past. My Gmail addy is intentionally munged in ReplyTo when posting to NGs...but I'm sure you can figure out how to unmunge it, if need be. -- ~Robear
Guest Franc Zabkar Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:40:58 +0200, a <a@libero.it> put finger to keyboard and composed: >On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:03:53 +1000, Franc Zabkar ><fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote: > >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:39:55 +0200, a - MORE TESTS <a@libero.it> put >>finger to keyboard and composed: >> >>>Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: >>>- Floppy >>>- Same HD where XP lies >>>- Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition >>>- HD where W98 lies >>>- HD wher W98 lies, but different partition >>>- Pen Drive >>> >>>All the 6 cases had the problem. >>> >>>The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer >>>The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. >>> >>> >>>Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >>>file from DOS (the W98 DOS); >>>I tried >>>dir c:\ /b /s /p >>>and I had displayed on the black screen >>>"HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" >> >>I believe your test proves that it is your XP application that is >>creating uppercase 8.3 file names. It doesn't appear to be a case >>translation issue on your Win98 box. You can save us all a lot of time >>and verify this beyond doubt by using Debug to look at the directory >>structure on your floppy diskette. >> >>To force XP to display the file name in its original case, follow this >>procedure: >> >>Force Explorer to Display Correct Filename Capitalization: >> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-101 >> >>- Franc Zabkar > > >i tried the > debug > -L 100 0 13 1 > -D 100 > -Q > >with notepad >I created the short "hallo.txt" >and then the long "abccccccdef.txt" > >I dumped with Dos from the XP box the two cases >ang got these screenshots: >http://www.zshare.net/image/43255032d60f26/ >26 kb The screenshots prove what I've been saying, ie that whenever the names are in 8.3 format, they are written to the disc in uppercase. The first screenshot shows two entries for HALLO.TXT. Apparently you created a HALLO.TXT file and then deleted it. Then you created a second HALLO.TXT. In each case only the 8.3 filename is/was written to the disc, not its LFN. When you delete a file, its directory entry isn't removed, only the leading character of the filename is changed to 0xE5. In the second screenshot you can see the LFN for abccccccdef.txt and also its 8.3 name. In this instance the file has also been deleted. >note >I dumped with pure Dos on W98 the first case >and obtained the same result of the first previous one > >note >I also created a short file "buon.zip" with WinZip >then dumped and got B. T7...... UON ZIP >I also created a short "ciao.htm" file with Firefox >then dumped and got T7.... IAO HTM - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units Did you get the file to compile properly for the 9X OS? -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message news:eqr$yHpEIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:OyFva4oEIHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message | > news:uNczeSoEIHA.5856@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I | > would | > | > be | > | > the 9X test bed for it. | > | > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to | > GEODISK. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB | > | > ________ | > | I recompiled using a different version of the compiler. Hope it's right | > now. | > | The bug has been fixed in the next compiler release but it's not | > available | > | yet. Also I asked on the developer forum and we are starting to think | > that | > | 98 may not support all lower case. Several people are playing with it | > right | > | now to find out. | > | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip | > | > Well, my web site, retained locally, has upper and lower case files [and | > mixed], so 98 does support lower case. | > Moreover, I have hundreds of lower or mixed case files elsewhere. For | > instance, the files I have been dowloading from you have a capital, | > whereas | > most of my files and directories are lower case. | > | > IMO, Since the NT file structure in XP is not held the same as in | > DOS/9X/Fat, and handled via the ntfs driver upon creation, the *hook* to | > Fat32 apparently retains the [original] MSDOS naming structure. IIRC, | > Seems | > we did several lengthy discussions in here related to comparing those | > structures, and posted [by various parties] several dozen KBs and other | > materials during those discussions. | > | > Regretfully, that newer file version also creates the same error. | > | > | | > | For safety make sure that you just run this against test files. | > | Example | > | Create a folder on your desktop named Test | > | Create a few files named Test.txt, Test2.txt, Test3.txt etc. | > | Run the app against that folder. | > | | > | BD | > | | > | | > | > I'll have to go back to the site for your email addy, though I think I | > tried that before and received no answer. | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > ________ | > | > | > | |
Guest BD Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units Not yet. We are looking to see how far back that bug goes. Probably back to when Unicode was first introduced into it which was about 8 months ago. That's several releases now. I have a hunch that the new release of the compiler will be pushed ahead because there were quite a few fixes this time. "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:e5EPswsEIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Did you get the file to compile properly for the 9X OS? > > -- > MEB > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > ________ > > > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message > news:eqr$yHpEIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | news:OyFva4oEIHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > | > > | > > | > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message > | > news:uNczeSoEIHA.5856@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message > | > | news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > | > | > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I > | > would > | > | > be > | > | > the 9X test bed for it. > | > | > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to > | > GEODISK. > | > | > > | > | > -- > | > | > MEB > | > | > ________ > | > | I recompiled using a different version of the compiler. Hope it's > right > | > now. > | > | The bug has been fixed in the next compiler release but it's not > | > available > | > | yet. Also I asked on the developer forum and we are starting to > think > | > that > | > | 98 may not support all lower case. Several people are playing with > it > | > right > | > | now to find out. > | > | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip > | > > | > Well, my web site, retained locally, has upper and lower case files > [and > | > mixed], so 98 does support lower case. > | > Moreover, I have hundreds of lower or mixed case files elsewhere. For > | > instance, the files I have been dowloading from you have a capital, > | > whereas > | > most of my files and directories are lower case. > | > > | > IMO, Since the NT file structure in XP is not held the same as in > | > DOS/9X/Fat, and handled via the ntfs driver upon creation, the *hook* > to > | > Fat32 apparently retains the [original] MSDOS naming structure. IIRC, > | > Seems > | > we did several lengthy discussions in here related to comparing those > | > structures, and posted [by various parties] several dozen KBs and > other > | > materials during those discussions. > | > > | > Regretfully, that newer file version also creates the same error. > | > > | > | > | > | For safety make sure that you just run this against test files. > | > | Example > | > | Create a folder on your desktop named Test > | > | Create a few files named Test.txt, Test2.txt, Test3.txt etc. > | > | Run the app against that folder. > | > | > | > | BD > | > | > | > | > | > > | > I'll have to go back to the site for your email addy, though I think I > | > tried that before and received no answer. > | > > | > -- > | > MEB > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com > | > ________ > | > > | > > | > > | > | > >
Guest BD Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units You should have incoming. "PA Bear" <PABearMVP@gmail.com> wrote in message news:uuArGOrEIHA.5360@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... > BD wrote: >>> You can run (away to sea), but you can't hide from us, Dundat! >>> Howzaguy, >>> anyway? (glee squealed on you) >>> -- >> ...Standby for incoming but it >> will probably be tomorrow. If you try to send me mail use the bindar >> account. If it goes to geog it will probably end up being destroyed. >> I'm >> just starting to build a white list for that account that will solve the >> problem. > > Same addy as in the past. My Gmail addy is intentionally munged in > ReplyTo when posting to NGs...but I'm sure you can figure out how to > unmunge it, if need be. > -- > ~Robear
Guest MEB Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units Perhaps a review of this Resource Kit document [and other] might help. Read to understand XP's filing systems, down to the lower segments http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx Or use this link [though you'll miss the necessary leadup related to 8.3 names, long file names, and blocked file entry aspects]. SEE: File Naming in Windows XP Professional File Names on FAT Volumes Generating Short File Names http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c13621675.mspx#EEIBG Then over to [if Home Edition]: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/z04d621675.mspx -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "Franc Zabkar" <fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote in message news:lhoih39cv8qmoh3hkm1h0unm36ktog36nc@4ax.com... | On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 00:40:58 +0200, a <a@libero.it> put finger to | keyboard and composed: | | >On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 07:03:53 +1000, Franc Zabkar | ><fzabkar@iinternode.on.net> wrote: | > | >>On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 19:39:55 +0200, a - MORE TESTS <a@libero.it> put | >>finger to keyboard and composed: | >> | >>>Logged in XP, I created "hallo.txt" in: | >>>- Floppy | >>>- Same HD where XP lies | >>>- Same HD wher XP lies, but different partition | >>>- HD where W98 lies | >>>- HD wher W98 lies, but different partition | >>>- Pen Drive | >>> | >>>All the 6 cases had the problem. | >>> | >>>The problem occurs if the filename is 8 or less longer | >>>The problem does NOT occur if the filename is 9 or more longer. | >>> | >>> | >>>Tried to read the "hallo,txt" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" | >>>file from DOS (the W98 DOS); | >>>I tried | >>>dir c:\ /b /s /p | >>>and I had displayed on the black screen | >>>"HALLO.TXT" and "halloverylongfortesting.txt" | >> | >>I believe your test proves that it is your XP application that is | >>creating uppercase 8.3 file names. It doesn't appear to be a case | >>translation issue on your Win98 box. You can save us all a lot of time | >>and verify this beyond doubt by using Debug to look at the directory | >>structure on your floppy diskette. | >> | >>To force XP to display the file name in its original case, follow this | >>procedure: | >> | >>Force Explorer to Display Correct Filename Capitalization: | >> http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/article02-101 | >> | >>- Franc Zabkar | > | > | >i tried the | > debug | > -L 100 0 13 1 | > -D 100 | > -Q | > | >with notepad | >I created the short "hallo.txt" | >and then the long "abccccccdef.txt" | > | >I dumped with Dos from the XP box the two cases | >ang got these screenshots: | >http://www.zshare.net/image/43255032d60f26/ | >26 kb | | The screenshots prove what I've been saying, ie that whenever the | names are in 8.3 format, they are written to the disc in uppercase. | The first screenshot shows two entries for HALLO.TXT. Apparently you | created a HALLO.TXT file and then deleted it. Then you created a | second HALLO.TXT. In each case only the 8.3 filename is/was written to | the disc, not its LFN. When you delete a file, its directory entry | isn't removed, only the leading character of the filename is changed | to 0xE5. | | In the second screenshot you can see the LFN for abccccccdef.txt and | also its 8.3 name. In this instance the file has also been deleted. | | >note | >I dumped with pure Dos on W98 the first case | >and obtained the same result of the first previous one | > | >note | >I also created a short file "buon.zip" with WinZip | >then dumped and got B. T7...... UON ZIP | >I also created a short "ciao.htm" file with Firefox | >then dumped and got T7.... IAO HTM | | - Franc Zabkar | -- | Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
Guest MEB Posted October 20, 2007 Posted October 20, 2007 Re: UPPERCASE always from other units That was my thought as well, Unicode aspects and all these recent updates to XP [at least we're not discussing VISTA,, ooooowwww], ALL would be necessarily included in the compiler updates for XP. Let us know if you guys figure it out. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com ________ "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message news:OPeX$HtEIHA.3548@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... | Not yet. We are looking to see how far back that bug goes. Probably back to | when Unicode was first introduced into it which was about 8 months ago. | That's several releases now. I have a hunch that the new release of the | compiler will be pushed ahead because there were quite a few fixes this | time. | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | news:e5EPswsEIHA.5208@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > Did you get the file to compile properly for the 9X OS? | > | > -- | > MEB | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > ________ | > | > | > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message | > news:eqr$yHpEIHA.4196@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | news:OyFva4oEIHA.1056@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... | > | > | > | > | > | > "BD" <JustMe@nothome.net> wrote in message | > | > news:uNczeSoEIHA.5856@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... | > | > | "MEB" <meb@not here@hotmail.com> wrote in message | > | > | news:uMb9v%23lEIHA.4400@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... | > | > | > No I didn't. I knew you would do so before posting it. I thought I | > | > would | > | > | > be | > | > | > the 9X test bed for it. | > | > | > BTW: When we've covered this, I have some questions related to | > | > GEODISK. | > | > | > | > | > | > -- | > | > | > MEB | > | > | > ________ | > | > | I recompiled using a different version of the compiler. Hope it's | > right | > | > now. | > | > | The bug has been fixed in the next compiler release but it's not | > | > available | > | > | yet. Also I asked on the developer forum and we are starting to | > think | > | > that | > | > | 98 may not support all lower case. Several people are playing with | > it | > | > right | > | > | now to find out. | > | > | http://dundats.mvps.org/Beta/File_LowerCaseA.zip | > | > | > | > Well, my web site, retained locally, has upper and lower case files | > [and | > | > mixed], so 98 does support lower case. | > | > Moreover, I have hundreds of lower or mixed case files elsewhere. For | > | > instance, the files I have been dowloading from you have a capital, | > | > whereas | > | > most of my files and directories are lower case. | > | > | > | > IMO, Since the NT file structure in XP is not held the same as in | > | > DOS/9X/Fat, and handled via the ntfs driver upon creation, the *hook* | > to | > | > Fat32 apparently retains the [original] MSDOS naming structure. IIRC, | > | > Seems | > | > we did several lengthy discussions in here related to comparing those | > | > structures, and posted [by various parties] several dozen KBs and | > other | > | > materials during those discussions. | > | > | > | > Regretfully, that newer file version also creates the same error. | > | > | > | > | | > | > | For safety make sure that you just run this against test files. | > | > | Example | > | > | Create a folder on your desktop named Test | > | > | Create a few files named Test.txt, Test2.txt, Test3.txt etc. | > | > | Run the app against that folder. | > | > | | > | > | BD | > | > | | > | > | | > | > | > | > I'll have to go back to the site for your email addy, though I think I | > | > tried that before and received no answer. | > | > | > | > -- | > | > MEB | > | > http://peoplescounsel.orgfree.com | > | > ________ | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | | > | | > | > | |
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